Re: DB Link Between Prod and Test?

2001-05-16 Thread Thater, William

On Tue, 15 May 2001,Rocky Welch scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:

-How about creating a user that only has read-only rights?

But that still allows the query from hell syndrome that can bring a prod box to it's 
knees.

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RE: DB Link Between Prod and Test?

2001-05-16 Thread Diego Cutrone

William:
Check my old post.

I agree with that Matthew.

But if you still have to use the link make sure you give the user the
appropiate provileges and
assign him a profile to limit the ammount of resources he can consume with
his queries.
This way he can't slow down the prod instance significantly.

greetings
DC


You can limit CPU, memory usage, etc...
Hope it helps

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 On Tue, 15 May 2001,Rocky Welch scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:

 -How about creating a user that only has read-only rights?

 But that still allows the query from hell syndrome that can bring a prod
box to it's knees.

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 Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt,
 You gotta run like there's nobody watching,
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RE: DB Link Between Prod and Test?

2001-05-15 Thread Cale, Rick T (Richard)

If all he needs is select he cannot corrupt the DB if the DBA does not grant
unnecessary privileges. Folks
use dblinks all the time.

Rick

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One of our development DBAs suggested today to build a private database
link between production and test database so that he can run some
queries against both at the same time. I am a little concerned because he
might make a mistake and accidentally corrupt the prod database. Anybody
out there who is doing the same thing? Are there any other potential
ramifications?
TIA
Dennis Meng
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Focal Communications
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RE: DB Link Between Prod and Test?

2001-05-15 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Can he be trusted NOT to run some horrible query that would bring Prod to its knees?

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/01 03:00PM 
If all he needs is select he cannot corrupt the DB if the DBA does not grant
unnecessary privileges. Folks
use dblinks all the time.

Rick

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One of our development DBAs suggested today to build a private database
link between production and test database so that he can run some
queries against both at the same time. I am a little concerned because he
might make a mistake and accidentally corrupt the prod database. Anybody
out there who is doing the same thing? Are there any other potential
ramifications?
TIA
Dennis Meng
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RE: DB Link Between Prod and Test?

2001-05-15 Thread Jesse, Rich

Yes, we were doing the same thing.  Until I found the links.

I've been trying in vain to explain what an FTS of our 6 million row G/L
does to a production database.

Did I mention that there was an ORDER BY clause on that query?

sigh

Good luck!

Rich Jesse  System/Database Administrator
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA


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 Subject: DB Link Between Prod and Test?
 
 
 One of our development DBAs suggested today to build a 
 private database
 link between production and test database so that he can run some
 queries against both at the same time. I am a little 
 concerned because he
 might make a mistake and accidentally corrupt the prod 
 database. Anybody
 out there who is doing the same thing? Are there any other potential
 ramifications?
 TIA
 Dennis Meng
 Database Administrator
 Focal Communications
 847-954-8328
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Re: DB Link Between Prod and Test?

2001-05-15 Thread Thater, William

On Tue, 15 May 2001,[EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:

-One of our development DBAs suggested today to build a private database
-link between production and test database so that he can run some
-queries against both at the same time. I am a little concerned because he
-might make a mistake and accidentally corrupt the prod database. Anybody
-out there who is doing the same thing? Are there any other potential
-ramifications?

Don't go there.  Been there, done that, got bit bad.  Yes you can mess with the 
production data.  Might work if the user on the production side lived in it's own 
tablespace and only had select privs on the production data.  But I don't like the 
precedent.

YMMV, yadda, yadda, yadda.
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RE: DB Link Between Prod and Test?

2001-05-15 Thread Hagedorn, Linda
Title: RE: DB Link Between Prod and Test?





I created a 'READER' id on production for our datawarehouse guys. The dblink connects from dw to production as user READER, and READER has select authority on the specific prod tables that they are supposed to be looking at. 

DW has multiple ids. The single dblink solves the problem of an expotential number of dblinks. 


The reader id cannot break anything, nor can it look into unauthorized tables. 


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If all he needs is select he cannot corrupt the DB if the DBA does not grant
unnecessary privileges. Folks
use dblinks all the time.


Rick


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One of our development DBAs suggested today to build a private database
link between production and test database so that he can run some
queries against both at the same time. I am a little concerned because he
might make a mistake and accidentally corrupt the prod database. Anybody
out there who is doing the same thing? Are there any other potential
ramifications?
TIA
Dennis Meng
Database Administrator
Focal Communications
847-954-8328


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RE: DB Link Between Prod and Test?

2001-05-15 Thread Adams, Matthew (GEA, 088130)
Title: RE: DB Link Between Prod and Test?





Is he an idiot? (I couldn't resist)


We go to extreme lengths
to ensure that nobody can link 
our devlopement and production databases
together in any shape or form. It's just a bad
idea.



R. Matt Adams - GE Appliances - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 for it is subtle and quick to anger.




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 Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 2:26 PM
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 Subject: DB Link Between Prod and Test?
 
 
 One of our development DBAs suggested today to build a 
 private database
 link between production and test database so that he can run some
 queries against both at the same time. I am a little 
 concerned because he
 might make a mistake and accidentally corrupt the prod 
 database. Anybody
 out there who is doing the same thing? Are there any other potential
 ramifications?
 TIA
 Dennis Meng
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 Focal Communications
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RE: DB Link Between Prod and Test?

2001-05-15 Thread Diego Cutrone
Title: RE: DB Link Between Prod and Test?



I agree with that Matthew.

But if you still have touse the link make 
sure you give the user the appropiate provilegesand 
assign him a "profile" to limit the ammount of 
resources he can consume with his queries.
This way he can't slow down the prod instance 
significantly.

greetings
DC


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  Matthew (GEA, 088130) 
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  Test?
  
  Is he an idiot? (I couldn't resist) 
  We go to extreme lengths to ensure 
  that nobody can link our devlopement and production 
  databases together in any shape or form. It's 
  just a bad idea. 
   R. Matt Adams - GE 
  Appliances - [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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  DB Link Between Prod and Test?One of our development DBAs suggested 
  today to build a  private database 
   link between production and test database so that he can 
  run some  queries against both at the same time. I 
  am a little  concerned because he  might make a mistake and accidentally corrupt the prod 
   database. Anybody  
  out there who is doing the same thing? Are there any other potential 
   ramifications?  TIA 
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Re: DB Link Between Prod and Test?

2001-05-15 Thread dmeng


Bill,
Thanks for the info. You just provided me some ammo to shoot this one down
:)

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On Tue, 15 May 2001,[EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled on the wall in glitter
crayon:

-One of our development DBAs suggested today to build a private database
-link between production and test database so that he can run some
-queries against both at the same time. I am a little concerned because he
-might make a mistake and accidentally corrupt the prod database. Anybody
-out there who is doing the same thing? Are there any other potential
-ramifications?

Don't go there.  Been there, done that, got bit bad.  Yes you can mess with
the production data.  Might work if the user on the production side lived
in it's own tablespace and only had select privs on the production data.
But I don't like the precedent.

YMMV, yadda, yadda, yadda.
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Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt,
You gotta run like there's nobody watching,
It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work.
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Re: DB Link Between Prod and Test?

2001-05-15 Thread Rocky Welch

How about creating a user that only has read-only rights?

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 One of our development DBAs suggested today to build a private database
 link between production and test database so that he can run some
 queries against both at the same time. I am a little concerned because
 he
 might make a mistake and accidentally corrupt the prod database. Anybody
 out there who is doing the same thing? Are there any other potential
 ramifications?
 TIA
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RE: DB Link Between Prod and Test?

2001-05-15 Thread Jeffery Stevenson

  Well, you could create a user in the production database that only has
select privileges and then create the database link to access that account.
The big thing you'd have to be careful of here is that the person doesn't
try to run some crazy query that bogs down the production system (but you
could probably deter that potential hazard by setting up a nice little
resource restrictive profile for that account)...

Jeffery Stevenson
Chief Databeast Tamer
Medical Present Value, Inc.
Austin, TX


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One of our development DBAs suggested today to build a private database
link between production and test database so that he can run some
queries against both at the same time. I am a little concerned because he
might make a mistake and accidentally corrupt the prod database. Anybody
out there who is doing the same thing? Are there any other potential
ramifications?
TIA
Dennis Meng
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Focal Communications
847-954-8328

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RE: DB Link Between Prod and Test?

2001-05-15 Thread Ron Rogers

Dennis,
We use DB links to allow selects where data info is needed on two instances. One is a 
report type and the other is being updated by the users all day. They work great. To 
keep the table naming simple and allow the application to be written on one 
development instance, I use synonyms to identify the tables over the link.
Create synonym table1 for table1@dblink.
ROR mª¿ªm

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/01 03:00PM 
If all he needs is select he cannot corrupt the DB if the DBA does not grant
unnecessary privileges. Folks
use dblinks all the time.

Rick

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link between production and test database so that he can run some
queries against both at the same time. I am a little concerned because he
might make a mistake and accidentally corrupt the prod database. Anybody
out there who is doing the same thing? Are there any other potential
ramifications?
TIA
Dennis Meng
Database Administrator
Focal Communications
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Re: DB Link Between Prod and Test?

2001-05-15 Thread Sam Roberts

My concern with that would be the performance aspect. Giving someone access
to run un optimized queries in Production could affect the overall response
time. I would not allow it personally, plus if you allow it for one ,you've
set a precedent

Sam

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 If all he needs is select he cannot corrupt the DB if the DBA does not
grant
 unnecessary privileges. Folks
 use dblinks all the time.

 Rick

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 One of our development DBAs suggested today to build a private database
 link between production and test database so that he can run some
 queries against both at the same time. I am a little concerned because he
 might make a mistake and accidentally corrupt the prod database. Anybody
 out there who is doing the same thing? Are there any other potential
 ramifications?
 TIA
 Dennis Meng
 Database Administrator
 Focal Communications
 847-954-8328

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