Re: RE: Has anyone heard of "Mirror Accessible"?

[Scott Shafer]

Hehehe...  I got it covered on all fronts.  And no, it
is not a joke.  Unfortunately, the DIQ's (Damagement
In Question) is local, while all the systems are
remote.  Gods forbid they should ask the people who
are technically competent how long something will take
prior to promising a schedule to the client.

--S


--- Don Granaman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is Las Vegas laying odds on this?  I've got a few
> bucks I would wager
> against...
> 
> This is not just unreasonable, but insane - even
> assuming that
> everything goes perfectly (it won't).  It is more
> reasonable to assume
> that a horse is a perfect sphere or that the
> Israeli-Palestinian
> problem could be solved once and for all with a coin
> toss.  Keep the
> Uzi around for a while after the upgrades.  You may
> need it for
> self-defense when these same damagers come scapegoat
> hunting.
> 
> Don't underestimate the benefit of the "remotely"
> part.  At least they
> won't hear you swearing at them and you won't have
> several of them in
> your cube at all times - looking over your shoulder,
> asking intensely
> stupid questions, and constantly talking on their
> cell phones relaying
> status reports!  Also, if you have to make a break
> for it, you'll have
> a decent lead.
> 
> Only a few years ago, I thought that Dilbert was
> comic exaggeration.
> I have since come to the profound realization that
> it is subtle
> understatement.
> 
> -Don Granaman
> [OraSaurus]
> 
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> 
> > I hear you.  Some one came up with the idea that
> 30+
> > HPUX 10.20, Oracle 7.3.3 systems could be updated
> to
> > HPUX 11.x, Oracle 8.1.7 in less than 36 hours,
> with
> > only 2 dba's and 2 sysadms, remotely.
> >
> > I shudder to think of the psychoactive compound
> > dosages that led to this conclusion.  Oh well,
> I've
> > got spare pillows out in the truck, right next to
> the
> > postal worker uniform and the uzi...
> >
> > --S
> >
> >
> > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > Ain't being a DBA glamorous???
> > >
> > > Me, I'm just in it because I heard that DBA's
> get
> > > all the chicks :)
> > >
> > > Believe me, I feel your pain.  I have more
> Oracle
> > > 7.3.4 databases here to upgrade than I can say
> > > without embarassment.  That's what I get for
> being
> > > the new hire. :)
> > >
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Re: RE: Has anyone heard of "Mirror Accessible"?

[Don Granaman]

Is Las Vegas laying odds on this?  I've got a few bucks I would wager
against...

This is not just unreasonable, but insane - even assuming that
everything goes perfectly (it won't).  It is more reasonable to assume
that a horse is a perfect sphere or that the Israeli-Palestinian
problem could be solved once and for all with a coin toss.  Keep the
Uzi around for a while after the upgrades.  You may need it for
self-defense when these same damagers come scapegoat hunting.

Don't underestimate the benefit of the "remotely" part.  At least they
won't hear you swearing at them and you won't have several of them in
your cube at all times - looking over your shoulder, asking intensely
stupid questions, and constantly talking on their cell phones relaying
status reports!  Also, if you have to make a break for it, you'll have
a decent lead.

Only a few years ago, I thought that Dilbert was comic exaggeration.
I have since come to the profound realization that it is subtle
understatement.

-Don Granaman
[OraSaurus]

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Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 1:50 PM


> I hear you.  Some one came up with the idea that 30+
> HPUX 10.20, Oracle 7.3.3 systems could be updated to
> HPUX 11.x, Oracle 8.1.7 in less than 36 hours, with
> only 2 dba's and 2 sysadms, remotely.
>
> I shudder to think of the psychoactive compound
> dosages that led to this conclusion.  Oh well, I've
> got spare pillows out in the truck, right next to the
> postal worker uniform and the uzi...
>
> --S
>
>
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Ain't being a DBA glamorous???
> >
> > Me, I'm just in it because I heard that DBA's get
> > all the chicks :)
> >
> > Believe me, I feel your pain.  I have more Oracle
> > 7.3.4 databases here to upgrade than I can say
> > without embarassment.  That's what I get for being
> > the new hire. :)
> >
> > A fellow DBA,
> > Scott Lockhart
> > Oracle DBA
> > I-Link, Ltd.
> > Draper, UT
> > --
> > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ:
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Re: RE: Has anyone heard of "Mirror Accessible"?

[Scott Shafer]

I hear you.  Some one came up with the idea that 30+
HPUX 10.20, Oracle 7.3.3 systems could be updated to
HPUX 11.x, Oracle 8.1.7 in less than 36 hours, with
only 2 dba's and 2 sysadms, remotely.

I shudder to think of the psychoactive compound
dosages that led to this conclusion.  Oh well, I've
got spare pillows out in the truck, right next to the
postal worker uniform and the uzi...

--S


--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Ain't being a DBA glamorous???
> 
> Me, I'm just in it because I heard that DBA's get
> all the chicks :)
> 
> Believe me, I feel your pain.  I have more Oracle
> 7.3.4 databases here to upgrade than I can say
> without embarassment.  That's what I get for being
> the new hire. :)
> 
> A fellow DBA,
> Scott Lockhart
> Oracle DBA
> I-Link, Ltd.
> Draper, UT
> -- 
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RE: Has anyone heard of "Mirror Accessible"?

[Steve McClure]

If I were you I would find a conflict during your testing against the new
version.  If confronted with a problem, few managers will want to press on
and put the production system at risk.  Some folks would say this is passive
aggression.  I'd remind them it is preferable to outright aggression.   Our
jobs consume enough of our personal time, without some Pointy Haired Boss
with a wild hare arbitrarily snatching our weekends.

I should say that this technique was developed while working for a manager
that would force people to complete a task incorrectly; just so she could
meet the goal she had set for management.  She managed our group for about 3
months, but we lived with trashed data for the next two years.

I hope this doesn't mean I have a bad attitude.

Steve McClure

-Original Message-
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:20 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

We just had someone from Oracle in yesterday who said
a) it will be a 9.0.2 feature
b) 9.0.2 won't be out until June, 2002

Unfortunately they are still holding fixed to forcing me to come in on
Christmas weekend to upgrade to 8.1.7.  For no good reason.  Forcing me to
cancel the plans I've had with my mother for the last 2 months.  If it
sounds like I'm pissed you're being perceptive.  I've tried to push for
upgrading this database for over a year (last September it was going to be
8.1.6).  Now they're finally letting me do it and are saying (with no notice
and almost no time for testing) that it has to be done at the most
inconvenient time possible for me.

I will refrain from saying exactly what I'm thinking because this is a
family forum :).

Jay Miller

-Original Message-
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 2:15 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



Just got back from OOW and that 'might' be available in Release 2 of 9i.
Which is due out in Spring 2002.

Nick.

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Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 1:45 PM
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Can anyone confirm this?  I've been searching technet and metalink and can't

turn up any details.

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Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 3:01 PM
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Isn't that just in release 2 though?  My understanding is that its not out
yet.

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Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 11:36 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Ah, this sounds likely.  And it might explain why they were keen on having
us upgrade to 9i.  That's the problem with receiving the request filtered
through two additional levels of people.

Jay Miller

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Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 1:56 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


9i has a new feature on standby databases that let's you run reports in read

only while continuing the managed recovery.  I think they call it a logical
standby database.  See the 9i DataGuard manual for more information.  (I
just happened to be looking into this lately).  This might be what they are
talking about.

Best,

Ed

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> Only thing I can think of off the top of my head is a standby database
> opened in read only mode.  Its one of the purposes totted for that
>
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 9:47 AM
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>
>
> My CIO woes continue. My manager has been told by the CIO that Oracle has
a
> product called "mirror accessible" which allows the database to be
mirrored
> for reporting purposes. He wants us to use this product.
>
> Now I'm familiar with the EMC solution, Quest's Shareplex, Oracle Standby
> and Oracle Replication but he says it isn't any of these. Any idea what he


> might be talking about?
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> Jay Miller
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RE: RE: Has anyone heard of "Mirror Accessible"?

[Kimberly Smith]

You know, such is the life of a DBA.  I did have a Christmas downtime
planned.  Then they shut the plant.  I would rather have the downtime.
Part of the job is making sure that databases are available when
the users want them.  That means that maintenance windows can be tight
and at times that are inconvient to you.  I have yet to see a July 4th
holiday here.  Granted that is ok to me since I still celebrate July 1st.
Thanksgiving...  Thankfully I still use the Canadian version.  I did have
Christmas day off last year but I know that the Unix folks and Network
folks got called in as someone stole the IP for the domain server.  If
you want to make sure that does not happen to you then do not do production
support or only do it on systems that can come down for a majority
of the day.

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You guys will get no sympathy from me.

We have an Apps 11.5 implementation going live on Jan 1.  In Brazil no less.
And of course the PHBs
want this to interface with our local 10.7 installation.

BTW,  Anybody speak Porteguese?

Ron Thomas
Hypercom, Inc
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I have an HP-UX upgrade and an Oracle upgrade over the holidays.
It's been on the queue for more than a year.

bye-bye Oracle 7.3.4  Woo Hoo

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-Original Message-
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Ain't being a DBA glamorous???

Me, I'm just in it because I heard that DBA's get all the chicks :)

Believe me, I feel your pain.  I have more Oracle 7.3.4 databases here to
upgrade than I can say without embarassment.  That's what I get for being
the new hire. :)

A fellow DBA,
Scott Lockhart
Oracle DBA
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RE: RE: Has anyone heard of "Mirror Accessible"?

[Ron Thomas]

You guys will get no sympathy from me.

We have an Apps 11.5 implementation going live on Jan 1.  In Brazil no less.  And of 
course the PHBs
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BTW,  Anybody speak Porteguese?

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I have an HP-UX upgrade and an Oracle upgrade over the holidays.
It's been on the queue for more than a year.

bye-bye Oracle 7.3.4  Woo Hoo

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Ain't being a DBA glamorous???

Me, I'm just in it because I heard that DBA's get all the chicks :)

Believe me, I feel your pain.  I have more Oracle 7.3.4 databases here to
upgrade than I can say without embarassment.  That's what I get for being
the new hire. :)

A fellow DBA,
Scott Lockhart
Oracle DBA
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RE: RE: Has anyone heard of "Mirror Accessible"?

[Sherman, Edward]

Same here!

I have an HP-UX upgrade and an Oracle upgrade over the holidays.
It's been on the queue for more than a year.

bye-bye Oracle 7.3.4  Woo Hoo

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Ain't being a DBA glamorous???

Me, I'm just in it because I heard that DBA's get all the chicks :)

Believe me, I feel your pain.  I have more Oracle 7.3.4 databases here to
upgrade than I can say without embarassment.  That's what I get for being
the new hire. :)

A fellow DBA,
Scott Lockhart
Oracle DBA
I-Link, Ltd.
Draper, UT
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Re: RE: Has anyone heard of "Mirror Accessible"?

[sdlockhart]

Ain't being a DBA glamorous???

Me, I'm just in it because I heard that DBA's get all the chicks :)

Believe me, I feel your pain.  I have more Oracle 7.3.4 databases here to upgrade than 
I can say without embarassment.  That's what I get for being the new hire. :)

A fellow DBA,
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Oracle DBA
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RE: Has anyone heard of "Mirror Accessible"?

[Miller, Jay]

We just had someone from Oracle in yesterday who said
a) it will be a 9.0.2 feature
b) 9.0.2 won't be out until June, 2002
 
Unfortunately they are still holding fixed to forcing me to come in on
Christmas weekend to upgrade to 8.1.7.  For no good reason.  Forcing me to
cancel the plans I've had with my mother for the last 2 months.  If it
sounds like I'm pissed you're being perceptive.  I've tried to push for
upgrading this database for over a year (last September it was going to be
8.1.6).  Now they're finally letting me do it and are saying (with no notice
and almost no time for testing) that it has to be done at the most
inconvenient time possible for me.
 
I will refrain from saying exactly what I'm thinking because this is a
family forum :).
 
Jay Miller

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Just got back from OOW and that 'might' be available in Release 2 of 9i.
Which is due out in Spring 2002.  

Nick. 

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 ] 
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 1:45 PM 
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 


Can anyone confirm this?  I've been searching technet and metalink and can't

turn up any details. 

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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 


Isn't that just in release 2 though?  My understanding is that its not out 
yet. 

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Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 11:36 AM 
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 


Ah, this sounds likely.  And it might explain why they were keen on having 
us upgrade to 9i.  That's the problem with receiving the request filtered 
through two additional levels of people. 

Jay Miller 

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Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 1:56 PM 
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 


9i has a new feature on standby databases that let's you run reports in read

only while continuing the managed recovery.  I think they call it a logical 
standby database.  See the 9i DataGuard manual for more information.  (I 
just happened to be looking into this lately).  This might be what they are 
talking about. 

Best, 

Ed 

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> Only thing I can think of off the top of my head is a standby database 
> opened in read only mode.  Its one of the purposes totted for that 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 9:47 AM 
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
> 
> 
> My CIO woes continue. My manager has been told by the CIO that Oracle has 
a 
> product called "mirror accessible" which allows the database to be 
mirrored 
> for reporting purposes. He wants us to use this product. 
> 
> Now I'm familiar with the EMC solution, Quest's Shareplex, Oracle Standby 
> and Oracle Replication but he says it isn't any of these. Any idea what he

> might be talking about? 
> 
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RE: Has anyone heard of "Mirror Accessible"?

[Nick Wagner]

Title: RE: Has anyone heard of "Mirror Accessible"?





Just got back from OOW and that 'might' be available in Release 2 of 9i.  Which is due out in Spring 2002.  


Nick.


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Subject: RE: Has anyone heard of "Mirror Accessible"?



Can anyone confirm this?  I've been searching technet and metalink and can't
turn up any details.


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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



Isn't that just in release 2 though?  My understanding is that its not out
yet.


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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



Ah, this sounds likely.  And it might explain why they were keen on having
us upgrade to 9i.  That's the problem with receiving the request filtered
through two additional levels of people.


Jay Miller


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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



9i has a new feature on standby databases that let's you run reports in read
only while continuing the managed recovery.  I think they call it a logical
standby database.  See the 9i DataGuard manual for more information.  (I
just happened to be looking into this lately).  This might be what they are
talking about.


Best,


Ed


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> Only thing I can think of off the top of my head is a standby database
> opened in read only mode.  Its one of the purposes totted for that
>
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 9:47 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> My CIO woes continue. My manager has been told by the CIO that Oracle has
a
> product called "mirror accessible" which allows the database to be
mirrored
> for reporting purposes. He wants us to use this product.
>
> Now I'm familiar with the EMC solution, Quest's Shareplex, Oracle Standby
> and Oracle Replication but he says it isn't any of these. Any idea what he
> might be talking about?
>
> Jay Miller
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Re: Has anyone heard of "Mirror Accessible"?

[Ed]

The Logical Standby Database is listed in Oracle 9i's "New Features"
documentation on Technet, but there is nothing about it in the actual Data
Guard manual that I have found. Maybe it is a 9.0.2 feature as someone else
already indicated.

Best,

Ed

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> AFAIK, 9iDataGuard in the current release is only a Physical Standby
> database
> (not "logical standby database").  This is similar to 8i except for the
> fact that, if you
> ensure that you do a clean failover-and-failback (ie have the controlfiles
> and
> online redo log files available) you can actually switch to and from the
> standby.
>
> Never tried it and wouldn't try it till 9.0.2 (at the minimum)
>
> Hemant
>
>
>
> "Miller, Jay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>01/12/2001 05:45 AM
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> Please respond to ORACLE-L
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>  cc: (bcc: CHITALE Hemant Krishnarao/Prin DBA/CSM/ST Group)
>  Subject: RE: Has anyone heard of "Mirror Accessible"?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Can anyone confirm this?  I've been searching technet and metalink and
> can't
> turn up any details.
>
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 3:01 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> Isn't that just in release 2 though?  My understanding is that its not out
> yet.
>
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 11:36 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> Ah, this sounds likely.  And it might explain why they were keen on having
> us upgrade to 9i.  That's the problem with receiving the request filtered
> through two additional levels of people.
>
> Jay Miller
>
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 1:56 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> 9i has a new feature on standby databases that let's you run reports in
> read
> only while continuing the managed recovery.  I think they call it a
logical
> standby database.  See the 9i DataGuard manual for more information.  (I
> just happened to be looking into this lately).  This might be what they
are
> talking about.
>
> Best,
>
> Ed
>
> - Original Message -
> To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 12:05 PM
>
>
> > Only thing I can think of off the top of my head is a standby database
> > opened in read only mode.  Its one of the purposes totted for that
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 9:47 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > My CIO woes continue. My manager has been told by the CIO that Oracle
has
> a
> > product called "mirror accessible" which allows the database to be
> mirrored
> > for reporting purposes. He wants us to use this product.
> >
> > Now I'm familiar with the EMC solution, Quest's Shareplex, Oracle
Standby
> > and Oracle Replication but he says it isn't any of these. Any idea what
> he
> > might be talking about?
> >
> > Jay Miller
> >
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RE: Has anyone heard of "Mirror Accessible"?

[hemantchitale]

AFAIK, 9iDataGuard in the current release is only a Physical Standby
database
(not "logical standby database").  This is similar to 8i except for the
fact that, if you
ensure that you do a clean failover-and-failback (ie have the controlfiles
and
online redo log files available) you can actually switch to and from the
standby.

Never tried it and wouldn't try it till 9.0.2 (at the minimum)

Hemant



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Can anyone confirm this?  I've been searching technet and metalink and
can't
turn up any details.

-Original Message-
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 3:01 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Isn't that just in release 2 though?  My understanding is that its not out
yet.

-Original Message-
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 11:36 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Ah, this sounds likely.  And it might explain why they were keen on having
us upgrade to 9i.  That's the problem with receiving the request filtered
through two additional levels of people.

Jay Miller

-Original Message-
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 1:56 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


9i has a new feature on standby databases that let's you run reports in
read
only while continuing the managed recovery.  I think they call it a logical
standby database.  See the 9i DataGuard manual for more information.  (I
just happened to be looking into this lately).  This might be what they are
talking about.

Best,

Ed

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Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 12:05 PM


> Only thing I can think of off the top of my head is a standby database
> opened in read only mode.  Its one of the purposes totted for that
>
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 9:47 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> My CIO woes continue. My manager has been told by the CIO that Oracle has
a
> product called "mirror accessible" which allows the database to be
mirrored
> for reporting purposes. He wants us to use this product.
>
> Now I'm familiar with the EMC solution, Quest's Shareplex, Oracle Standby
> and Oracle Replication but he says it isn't any of these. Any idea what
he
> might be talking about?
>
> Jay Miller
>
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Re: Has anyone heard of "Mirror Accessible"?

[Scott Shafer]

Yeah,

The CEO needs to be "anonymously" informed that he needs a CIO with a higher
degree of intelligence and technical expertise.  The current one is a waste
of flesh.

--Scott


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> There seems to be a bit of confusion here.  RAC is not related to
> "standby database".  DataGuard is the big enhancement for standby
> databases in 9i.  RAC is the name for the 9i incarnation of OPS
> (Oracle Parallel Server.).  If the "database to be mirrored", then it
> is completely independent of OPS/RAC - which shares a single database.
> It could be a standby database, geo-mirroring, ...
>
> The term "mirror accessible" sounds like it came from one of those
> pseudo-technical trade magazine articles that are famous for
> misinforming senior IT management. ;-)
>
> -Don Granaman
> [OraSaurus]
>
> - Original Message -
> To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 1:10 PM
>
>
> > Jay - I did a search on Google and that returned nada, so I don't
> believe
> > that "mirror accessible" is a bona fide term. However, looking at
> your words
> > "Oracle has a product . . . database to be mirrored for reporting
> purposes",
> > he might be referring to Oracle9i's Real Application Clusters.
> > In the Oracle 8i incarnation, there was a limitation with a standby
> > database. The standby could be made current by applying the redo
> logs from
> > the production database (using recovery), then opened and used for
> > reporting. But you couldn't have both - currency and reporting. I
> think I
> > heard that with Oracle 9i RAC this limitation has been bypassed so
> you can
> > do reporting while the logs are continuing to be applied. Don't take
> my word
> > for it (this is Friday after all), but you might want to look at
> RAC, and
> > maybe someone more knowledgeable than me will respond on this list.
> > Dennis Williams
> > DBA
> > Lifetouch, Inc.
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
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> >
> >
> > My CIO woes continue. My manager has been told by the CIO that
> Oracle has a
> > product called "mirror accessible" which allows the database to be
> mirrored
> > for reporting purposes. He wants us to use this product.
> >
> > Now I'm familiar with the EMC solution, Quest's Shareplex, Oracle
> Standby
> > and Oracle Replication but he says it isn't any of these. Any idea
> what he
> > might be talking about?
> >
> > Jay Miller
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RE: Has anyone heard of "Mirror Accessible"?

[DENNIS WILLIAMS]

I'm sure it has a few bugs in Metalink against it so a responsible site
wouldn't implement it until after Jan. 1. ;-)

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Dataguard is available in 901 ... of course we don't use it.

oraclei@angel-TICK2> dgmgrl
DGMGRL for IBM/AIX RISC System/6000: Version 9.0.1.0.0 - Production.

(c) Copyright 2001 Oracle Corporation. All rights reserved.

Welcome to DGMGRL, type "help" for information.
DGMGRL> help
The following commands are available:
quit
exit
showSee "help show" for syntax
enable  See "help enable" for syntax
disable See "help disable" for syntax
help [] 
connect / [@] 
alter   See "help alter" for syntax
create  See "help create" for syntax
remove  See "help remove" for syntax
startup See "help startup" for syntax
shutdownSee "help shutdown" for syntax
DGMGRL> quit

HTH
Raj
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RE: Has anyone heard of "Mirror Accessible"?

[Jamadagni, Rajendra]

Dataguard is available in 901 ... of course we don't use it.

oraclei@angel-TICK2> dgmgrl
DGMGRL for IBM/AIX RISC System/6000: Version 9.0.1.0.0 - Production.

(c) Copyright 2001 Oracle Corporation. All rights reserved.

Welcome to DGMGRL, type "help" for information.
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DGMGRL> quit

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RE: Has anyone heard of "Mirror Accessible"?

[Miller, Jay]

Can anyone confirm this?  I've been searching technet and metalink and can't
turn up any details.

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Isn't that just in release 2 though?  My understanding is that its not out
yet.

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Ah, this sounds likely.  And it might explain why they were keen on having
us upgrade to 9i.  That's the problem with receiving the request filtered
through two additional levels of people.

Jay Miller

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9i has a new feature on standby databases that let's you run reports in read
only while continuing the managed recovery.  I think they call it a logical
standby database.  See the 9i DataGuard manual for more information.  (I
just happened to be looking into this lately).  This might be what they are
talking about.

Best,

Ed

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> Only thing I can think of off the top of my head is a standby database
> opened in read only mode.  Its one of the purposes totted for that
>
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> My CIO woes continue. My manager has been told by the CIO that Oracle has
a
> product called "mirror accessible" which allows the database to be
mirrored
> for reporting purposes. He wants us to use this product.
>
> Now I'm familiar with the EMC solution, Quest's Shareplex, Oracle Standby
> and Oracle Replication but he says it isn't any of these. Any idea what he
> might be talking about?
>
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Re: Has anyone heard of "Mirror Accessible"?

[Don Granaman]

There seems to be a bit of confusion here.  RAC is not related to
"standby database".  DataGuard is the big enhancement for standby
databases in 9i.  RAC is the name for the 9i incarnation of OPS
(Oracle Parallel Server.).  If the "database to be mirrored", then it
is completely independent of OPS/RAC - which shares a single database.
It could be a standby database, geo-mirroring, ...

The term "mirror accessible" sounds like it came from one of those
pseudo-technical trade magazine articles that are famous for
misinforming senior IT management. ;-)

-Don Granaman
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> Jay - I did a search on Google and that returned nada, so I don't
believe
> that "mirror accessible" is a bona fide term. However, looking at
your words
> "Oracle has a product . . . database to be mirrored for reporting
purposes",
> he might be referring to Oracle9i's Real Application Clusters.
> In the Oracle 8i incarnation, there was a limitation with a standby
> database. The standby could be made current by applying the redo
logs from
> the production database (using recovery), then opened and used for
> reporting. But you couldn't have both - currency and reporting. I
think I
> heard that with Oracle 9i RAC this limitation has been bypassed so
you can
> do reporting while the logs are continuing to be applied. Don't take
my word
> for it (this is Friday after all), but you might want to look at
RAC, and
> maybe someone more knowledgeable than me will respond on this list.
> Dennis Williams
> DBA
> Lifetouch, Inc.
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>
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> My CIO woes continue. My manager has been told by the CIO that
Oracle has a
> product called "mirror accessible" which allows the database to be
mirrored
> for reporting purposes. He wants us to use this product.
>
> Now I'm familiar with the EMC solution, Quest's Shareplex, Oracle
Standby
> and Oracle Replication but he says it isn't any of these. Any idea
what he
> might be talking about?
>
> Jay Miller

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RE: Has anyone heard of "Mirror Accessible"?

[Kimberly Smith]

Isn't that just in release 2 though?  My understanding is that its not out
yet.

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Ah, this sounds likely.  And it might explain why they were keen on having
us upgrade to 9i.  That's the problem with receiving the request filtered
through two additional levels of people.

Jay Miller

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9i has a new feature on standby databases that let's you run reports in read
only while continuing the managed recovery.  I think they call it a logical
standby database.  See the 9i DataGuard manual for more information.  (I
just happened to be looking into this lately).  This might be what they are
talking about.

Best,

Ed

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> Only thing I can think of off the top of my head is a standby database
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>
> -Original Message-
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>
> My CIO woes continue. My manager has been told by the CIO that Oracle has
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> product called "mirror accessible" which allows the database to be
mirrored
> for reporting purposes. He wants us to use this product.
>
> Now I'm familiar with the EMC solution, Quest's Shareplex, Oracle Standby
> and Oracle Replication but he says it isn't any of these. Any idea what he
> might be talking about?
>
> Jay Miller
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RE: Has anyone heard of "Mirror Accessible"?

[Miller, Jay]

Ah, this sounds likely.  And it might explain why they were keen on having
us upgrade to 9i.  That's the problem with receiving the request filtered
through two additional levels of people.

Jay Miller

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9i has a new feature on standby databases that let's you run reports in read
only while continuing the managed recovery.  I think they call it a logical
standby database.  See the 9i DataGuard manual for more information.  (I
just happened to be looking into this lately).  This might be what they are
talking about.

Best,

Ed

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> Only thing I can think of off the top of my head is a standby database
> opened in read only mode.  Its one of the purposes totted for that
>
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 9:47 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> My CIO woes continue. My manager has been told by the CIO that Oracle has
a
> product called "mirror accessible" which allows the database to be
mirrored
> for reporting purposes. He wants us to use this product.
>
> Now I'm familiar with the EMC solution, Quest's Shareplex, Oracle Standby
> and Oracle Replication but he says it isn't any of these. Any idea what he
> might be talking about?
>
> Jay Miller
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RE: Has anyone heard of "Mirror Accessible"?

[DENNIS WILLIAMS]

Jay - I did a search on Google and that returned nada, so I don't believe
that "mirror accessible" is a bona fide term. However, looking at your words
"Oracle has a product . . . database to be mirrored for reporting purposes",
he might be referring to Oracle9i's Real Application Clusters. 
In the Oracle 8i incarnation, there was a limitation with a standby
database. The standby could be made current by applying the redo logs from
the production database (using recovery), then opened and used for
reporting. But you couldn't have both - currency and reporting. I think I
heard that with Oracle 9i RAC this limitation has been bypassed so you can
do reporting while the logs are continuing to be applied. Don't take my word
for it (this is Friday after all), but you might want to look at RAC, and
maybe someone more knowledgeable than me will respond on this list.
Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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My CIO woes continue. My manager has been told by the CIO that Oracle has a
product called "mirror accessible" which allows the database to be mirrored
for reporting purposes. He wants us to use this product.

Now I'm familiar with the EMC solution, Quest's Shareplex, Oracle Standby
and Oracle Replication but he says it isn't any of these. Any idea what he
might be talking about?

Jay Miller

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Re: Has anyone heard of "Mirror Accessible"?

[Ed]

9i has a new feature on standby databases that let's you run reports in read
only while continuing the managed recovery.  I think they call it a logical
standby database.  See the 9i DataGuard manual for more information.  (I
just happened to be looking into this lately).  This might be what they are
talking about.

Best,

Ed

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> Only thing I can think of off the top of my head is a standby database
> opened in read only mode.  Its one of the purposes totted for that
>
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 9:47 AM
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>
>
> My CIO woes continue. My manager has been told by the CIO that Oracle has
a
> product called "mirror accessible" which allows the database to be
mirrored
> for reporting purposes. He wants us to use this product.
>
> Now I'm familiar with the EMC solution, Quest's Shareplex, Oracle Standby
> and Oracle Replication but he says it isn't any of these. Any idea what he
> might be talking about?
>
> Jay Miller
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RE: Has anyone heard of "Mirror Accessible"?

[Baker, Barbara]

I think that's "smoke and mirrors accessible".
sounds like vaporware to me

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> My CIO woes continue. My manager has been told by the CIO that Oracle has
> a
> product called "mirror accessible" which allows the database to be
> mirrored
> for reporting purposes. He wants us to use this product.
> 
> Now I'm familiar with the EMC solution, Quest's Shareplex, Oracle Standby
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RE: Has anyone heard of "Mirror Accessible"?

[Kimberly Smith]

Only thing I can think of off the top of my head is a standby database
opened in read only mode.  Its one of the purposes totted for that

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My CIO woes continue. My manager has been told by the CIO that Oracle has a
product called "mirror accessible" which allows the database to be mirrored
for reporting purposes. He wants us to use this product.

Now I'm familiar with the EMC solution, Quest's Shareplex, Oracle Standby
and Oracle Replication but he says it isn't any of these. Any idea what he
might be talking about?

Jay Miller

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