Re: Mauve databases use least RAM

2003-10-23 Thread Nuno Souto
HJR's saga still rates as one of the all-time
dumbass knee-jerk reactions from Oracle
damagement.

And yes, I sincerely hope this message gets
circulatedto as many Oracle VPs as it can.

Cheers
Nuno Souto
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 At the risk of opening old wounds, after what happened with Howard Rogers, I think 
 it's a brave Oracle employee who
participates in extra-curricular activities that involve the products of their 
employer.  We are richer for it when it
happens (thanks Pete, Vladimir), but I don't blame anyone at Oracle for their 
discretion.

 (And yes, I can give you a dissertation on how the work-for-hire doctrine under 
 Australian copyright and employment
law works.  Whether or not this leads you to form the same abuse of process 
conclusions against Oracle as I did, is
entirely a matter for the reader :-) ).

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RE: Mauve databases use least RAM

2003-10-23 Thread Norris, Gregory T [ITS]
 HJR's saga still rates as one of the all-time
 dumbass knee-jerk reactions from Oracle
 damagement.

I don't mean to rub salt in an open sore, but you've got me curious.  What happened 
with HJR?  I don't think I've heard anything about this...

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RE: Mauve databases use least RAM

2003-10-23 Thread Goulet, Dick
Dennis,

Personally I don't care if any Oracle employee ever answers a post on the 
list.  The point is they are out there listening to the REAL world of Oracle use.  
That's a ton better than their competition, and I believe we've all benefited from 
that alone.  As for when they do post an answer, E-mail I do not consider as an 
Official communication from anyone.  When I see it in black and white on Oracle 
letter head, then it's Official.  Otherwise it's just advise, use at your own risk.  
Now is there any way we can get Uncle Larry to subscribe/listen???  *-)

Dick Goulet
Senior Oracle DBA
Oracle Certified 8i DBA

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Mladen - I can think of far more reasons why an employee would NOT
participate on a public list than reasons why they would.

   5. You can easily become the target of wrath for anyone that hates
Oracle.
   4. The slightest misstatement on your part could easily be interpreted as
a lack of knowledge.
   3. Any of your statements could be taken as official Oracle statements.
   2. Postings from this list do get circulated through Oracle. Some V.P.
you never met may decide he doesn't like you.
   1. You could easily get fired. 

That said, how do you know that more Oracle employees don't participate?
Easy enough to get a Hotmail account and participate quietly.

Dennis Williams
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I just received Effective Oracle by Design and reading the foreword
I noticed not only the familiar names of Connor McDonald, Anjo Kolk and
Mogens Norgaard, but I also saw this list mentioned explicitly.
Is Mr. Tom Kyte a member of this list? Does he read it? Does his staff
read it? I was wandering why so few oracle employees (to my knowledge,  
Vladimir is the only one) takes part in this list.

Mladen Gogala
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RE: Mauve databases use least RAM

2003-10-23 Thread Thater, William
Goulet, Dick  scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:

 use at your own risk.  Now is there any way we can get Uncle Larry to
 subscribe/listen???  *-)  

well, if we could get him to subscribe and *listen*, that's OK... my fear is
that he'd subscribe and *talk*.;-)
  
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RE: Mauve databases use least RAM

2003-10-23 Thread Goulet, Dick
OH DEAR, now that would require the list to up the bandwidth.  Good point!! *-)

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Goulet, Dick  scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:

 use at your own risk.  Now is there any way we can get Uncle Larry to
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well, if we could get him to subscribe and *listen*, that's OK... my fear is
that he'd subscribe and *talk*.;-)
  
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Re: Mauve databases use least RAM

2003-10-22 Thread Rachel Carmichael
Pete Sharman is also an Oracle employee. And I know of at least two
Oracle University instructors who are members, albeit not using their
Oracle email addresses.

There are several other Oracle employees on the list, some lurk because
they've joined using their Oracle email addresses and may be afraid of
being inundated by us asking for inside information. Some just are
too darned busy to be able to answer often.


--- Mladen Gogala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I just received Effective Oracle by Design and reading the foreword
 I noticed not only the familiar names of Connor McDonald, Anjo Kolk
 and
 Mogens Norgaard, but I also saw this list mentioned explicitly.
 Is Mr. Tom Kyte a member of this list? Does he read it? Does his
 staff
 read it? I was wandering why so few oracle employees (to my
 knowledge,  
 Vladimir is the only one) takes part in this list.
 
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RE: Mauve databases use least RAM

2003-10-22 Thread Pete Sharman
And with an email address like mine, who do you think I work for?  :)

Pete
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Oh no, it's not.  It's much harder than that!
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I just received Effective Oracle by Design and reading the foreword I
noticed not only the familiar names of Connor McDonald, Anjo Kolk and Mogens
Norgaard, but I also saw this list mentioned explicitly. Is Mr. Tom Kyte a
member of this list? Does he read it? Does his staff read it? I was
wandering why so few oracle employees (to my knowledge,  
Vladimir is the only one) takes part in this list.

Mladen Gogala
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RE: Mauve databases use least RAM

2003-10-22 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Mladen - I can think of far more reasons why an employee would NOT
participate on a public list than reasons why they would.

   5. You can easily become the target of wrath for anyone that hates
Oracle.
   4. The slightest misstatement on your part could easily be interpreted as
a lack of knowledge.
   3. Any of your statements could be taken as official Oracle statements.
   2. Postings from this list do get circulated through Oracle. Some V.P.
you never met may decide he doesn't like you.
   1. You could easily get fired. 

That said, how do you know that more Oracle employees don't participate?
Easy enough to get a Hotmail account and participate quietly.

Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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I just received Effective Oracle by Design and reading the foreword
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Mogens Norgaard, but I also saw this list mentioned explicitly.
Is Mr. Tom Kyte a member of this list? Does he read it? Does his staff
read it? I was wandering why so few oracle employees (to my knowledge,  
Vladimir is the only one) takes part in this list.

Mladen Gogala
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Re: Mauve databases use least RAM

2003-10-22 Thread Mladen Gogala
I apologize. I was somehow connecting you with TUSC and Robert Freeman. Not  
that it's a bad thing, but I should have noticed.

On 2003.10.22 20:54, Pete Sharman wrote:
And with an email address like mine, who do you think I work for?  :)

Pete
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Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA


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I just received Effective Oracle by Design and reading the foreword I
noticed not only the familiar names of Connor McDonald, Anjo Kolk and Mogens
Norgaard, but I also saw this list mentioned explicitly. Is Mr. Tom Kyte a
member of this list? Does he read it? Does his staff read it? I was
wandering why so few oracle employees (to my knowledge,
Vladimir is the only one) takes part in this list.
Mladen Gogala
Oracle DBA


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RE: Mauve databases use least RAM

2003-10-22 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
Microsoft?? A secret SQL Server developer? Address spoofing is a child play now-a-days 
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And with an email address like mine, who do you think I work for?  :)

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RE: Mauve databases use least RAM

2003-10-22 Thread Pete Sharman
Apologies not needed - I thought it was rather amusing actually!

It's easy to confuse Robert and I.  We've worked closely together on a
number of books, and we're both equally cute!  :)

Pete
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I apologize. I was somehow connecting you with TUSC and Robert Freeman. Not

that it's a bad thing, but I should have noticed.

On 2003.10.22 20:54, Pete Sharman wrote:
 And with an email address like mine, who do you think I work for?  :)
 
 Pete
 Controlling developers is like herding cats.
 Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook
 Oh no, it's not.  It's much harder than that!
 Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 Mladen Gogala
 Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:00 AM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
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 and Mogens Norgaard, but I also saw this list mentioned explicitly. Is 
 Mr. Tom Kyte a member of this list? Does he read it? Does his staff 
 read it? I was wandering why so few oracle employees (to my knowledge, 
 Vladimir is the only one) takes part in this list.
 
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 Oracle DBA
 
 
 
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RE: Mauve databases use least RAM

2003-10-22 Thread Grant Allen
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 From: Mladen Gogala [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Subject: Mauve databases use least RAM
 
 
 I just received Effective Oracle by Design and reading the foreword
 I noticed not only the familiar names of Connor McDonald, 
 Anjo Kolk and
 Mogens Norgaard, but I also saw this list mentioned explicitly.
 Is Mr. Tom Kyte a member of this list? Does he read it? Does his staff
 read it? I was wandering why so few oracle employees (to my 
 knowledge,  
 Vladimir is the only one) takes part in this list.
 
 Mladen Gogala
 Oracle DBA

At the risk of opening old wounds, after what happened with Howard Rogers, I think 
it's a brave Oracle employee who participates in extra-curricular activities that 
involve the products of their employer.  We are richer for it when it happens (thanks 
Pete, Vladimir), but I don't blame anyone at Oracle for their discretion.

Ciao
Fuzzy
:-)

(And yes, I can give you a dissertation on how the work-for-hire doctrine under 
Australian copyright and employment law works.  Whether or not this leads you to form 
the same abuse of process conclusions against Oracle as I did, is entirely a matter 
for the reader :-) ).
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