RE: Number of processors and standard edition

2003-07-30 Thread Niall Litchfield
Its worse than that - he's dead Jim. Ooops sorry wrong reference. 

The obnoxiously worded licence agreement states that std edition can
only be licensed on a machine 'capable' of a maximum of 4 processors. If
you have 2 processors in a chassis that can take 8, the agreement says
that you need EE. There is also a RAM limit IIRC 4gb. 

You may guess that I object to this stance. My reasons are

1. You should licence according to functional need not horsepower of
box.  N archive log destinations is not a function of Y processors. 
2. There is no difference between machines with 2 processors in a 2
processor chassis and 2 processors in an 8 processor chassis. 
3. Its all too expensive anyway. EE is the best marketing reason on the
planet to adopt MSSQL. 
4. I don't believe that any reasonable court will uphold the "ah but you
*could* put 32 processors in there at some point I'll charge you 300%
more for what you actually have" argument. 
5. reasonable courts may not actually exist.

Niall 

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> 
> I'm pretty sure that SE will run on any size server, but 
> you'll be charged for EE when that server has more than 4 CPUs...  :-)
> 
> You'll see info for this at "http://oraclestore.oracle.com"; 
> when you try to price an SE license on a per-processor basis. 
>  Click on the explanation of "User Minimums" for the verbiage...
> 
> 
> 
> on 7/29/03 10:04 AM, Farnsworth, Dave at 
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> 
> > I am trying to find any info on if there is a maximum number pf 
> > processors that a server can have and have Oracle standard 
> edition run 
> > on it.  Just looking to see if there is a cutoff point in 
> the number 
> > of processors where I would be forced to go to Enterprise 
> Edition of 
> > Oracle 8i..  I'm looking through the concepts docs but have not yet 
> > found this info.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Dave
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Re: Number of processors and standard edition

2003-07-29 Thread Tim Gorman
I'm pretty sure that SE will run on any size server, but you'll be charged
for EE when that server has more than 4 CPUs...  :-)

You'll see info for this at "http://oraclestore.oracle.com"; when you try to
price an SE license on a per-processor basis.  Click on the explanation of
"User Minimums" for the verbiage...



on 7/29/03 10:04 AM, Farnsworth, Dave at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

> I am trying to find any info on if there is a maximum number pf processors
> that a server can have and have Oracle standard edition run on it.  Just
> looking to see if there is a cutoff point in the number of processors where I
> would be forced to go to Enterprise Edition of Oracle 8i..  I'm looking
> through the concepts docs but have not yet found this info.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dave

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RE: Number of processors and standard edition

2003-07-29 Thread Grant Allen
My memory is 4 ... and with typical Oracle Licensing Shennanigans attached
... I remember a few cases from 2001 where clients where arguing whether SE
could be licenced for up to and including 4, or up to but not including 4.

But given that's a two-year-old memory, I can pretty much guarantee Oracle
licencing has changed 28 times since then :-)

Ciao
Fuzzy
:-)

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>
> I am trying to find any info on if there is a maximum number
> pf processors that a server can have and have Oracle standard
> edition run on it.  Just looking to see if there is a cutoff
> point in the number of processors where I would be forced to
> go to Enterprise Edition of Oracle 8i..  I'm looking through
> the concepts docs but have not yet found this info.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave
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RE: Number of processors and standard edition

2003-07-29 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Dave - Maximum of 4 processors.
http://www.pro-dba.com/oracle_database_standard_edition.html

Dennis Williams
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I am trying to find any info on if there is a maximum number pf processors
that a server can have and have Oracle standard edition run on it.  Just
looking to see if there is a cutoff point in the number of processors where
I would be forced to go to Enterprise Edition of Oracle 8i..  I'm looking
through the concepts docs but have not yet found this info.

Thanks,

Dave
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RE: Number of processors and standard edition

2003-07-29 Thread Tim Onions
Last time I checked it was 4 for Windows NT/2000. Not a UNIX shop so can't
comment on that OS.

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I am trying to find any info on if there is a maximum number pf processors
that a server can have and have Oracle standard edition run on it.  Just
looking to see if there is a cutoff point in the number of processors where
I would be forced to go to Enterprise Edition of Oracle 8i..  I'm looking
through the concepts docs but have not yet found this info.

Thanks,

Dave
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