RE: RE: OCP newsletter, latest changes...

2002-06-18 Thread Boivin, Patrice J

Here in Canada I was told you can do it if you have a letter from your
employer stating that they are unable to provide you with the training you
require to stay up-to-date in your field.

I asked my previous manager if he could write me such a letter, he just
grinned and said: well, it should be our responsibility to provide you with
the training you require to stay up to date in your field... and no letter.

Since then I spoke with a contractor here, who said that if I keep
requesting for training and never get it, I can keep the e-mails as evidence
and submit them along with my income tax forms.  I'll give it a try, though
I give it a 5% chance of success.

The irony of all this is that I work for the Federal government here.

Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 6:22 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


In the US one can put training on their income tax forms, but the IRS will
disallow it.

Dick Goulet
One of the disallowed!

Reply Separator
Author: Boivin; Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:   6/17/2002 12:05 PM

I think this change will up the ante for corporations that do not send their
staff to official training courses or expect that staff will keep up to date
in their certifications on their own time and money, a $50 book out of one's
own pocket doesn't compare with a $2000 course.
 
Employees in Canada can't deduct training etc. before income taxes, only
consultants can.  I don't know if that's the case in the U.S. or the UK as
well.
 
Maybe more people will become consultants, but then again there is a bit of
a crunch in the IT job sector right now.


Regards, 
Patrice Boivin 
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) 

-Original Message-
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 4:44 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Soon we will be required as a part of the hiring process to make a visit to
Oracle for certification, medical check, and brain wash!
 
 Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
author and do not necessarily represent those of the company


 -Original Message-
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 3:18 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



I couldn't believe that, Ron, so I had to check it out myself.  You're
right:

 

http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/index.html?dba9i_ocmpract.html
http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/index.html?dba9i_ocmpract.htm
l 

 

Oracle Certified Master DBA Practicum Exam 

An OCM candidate must successfully pass the Oracle Certified Master DBA
practicum after having completed the required OU advanced learning
requirements. The practicum will be conducted at an Oracle University
facility in each global region. The location for Americas is Chicago, IL.
The cost for the practicum is $2000.00 US Dollars. Locations for EMEA and
APAC have not yet been determined.

 

The practicum is a two-day, hands-on performance based event where
candidates will be presented with numerous scenarios that will require them
to diagnose and solve highly technical Oracle server related problems. Each
candidate will have their own dedicated LINUX server that is configured with
the Oracle server software, Oracle Enterprise Manager, and the Oracle
documentation set. 

 

Topics on the practicum include core database technology, database
configuration, replication, partitioning, parallel operations, diagnostics,
troubleshooting, performance tuning, and backup and recovery. Candidates may
also encounter ad hoc database problems that they will have to resolve,
therefore simulating real-world database operations. Oracle tools such as
Oracle Enterprise Manager, Data Guard, Flashback, Recovery Manager, and
Oracle documentation will be available to candidates during the practicum. 

 

Candidates will be scored on their ability to successfully complete the
scenarios and if they obtain a passing score they will be awarded the OCM
certification. Based upon a candidate's performance during the practicum,
they may not be awarded the OCM certification if they do not achieve the
preset passing score.

 

I think that the price tag is a way too high to start with, but the thing
that really blew me away is that the test is on Linux only???  It's hard for
me to believe that they won't let you take it on your platform of choice,
especially for the hard-core-Windows guys out there.

 

And I have to use Enterprise Manager?  Give me a break - and a SQL prompt.

 

Brian

 

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-Original Message-
Rogers
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:34 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



 

Did you check out the prices for the OCM? Two classes plus $2,000 for

the exam the last time I 

RE: RE: OCP newsletter, latest changes...

2002-06-18 Thread Karniotis, Stephen

Hey folks.

  I just saw this thread this morning.  What a crime.  It seems that the
only way Oracle can generate sufficient streams of revenue is to punish
those that popularize their software for the market.  As an Oracle DBA and
IT Manager, I will not pay for any of my staff to obtain a certification
that requires such a ridiculous configuration.  It just shows that Oracle is
trying to generate as much revenue as possible.  Given the state of today's
economy, I don't think Oracle should be alienating their customer/PR base.

  As far as the tax issue:  If training is not provided by your employer,
and is required for your job, it can be deducted as business expense on form
2106.  For education, the feds allow for educational expenses and some
states also allow for it.

Thank You

Stephen P. Karniotis
Product Architect
Compuware Corporation
Direct: (248) 865-4350
Mobile: (248) 408-2918
Email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web:www.compuware.com

 -Original Message-
Sent:   Monday, June 17, 2002 5:34 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject:RE: RE: OCP newsletter, latest changes...

I know, I have that experience myself. What is the point
in putting in the training, then?

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 5:22 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject: Re:RE: OCP newsletter, latest changes...
 
 
 In the US one can put training on their income tax forms, but 
 the IRS will
 disallow it.
 
 Dick Goulet
 One of the disallowed!
 
 Reply Separator
 Author: Boivin; Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date:   6/17/2002 12:05 PM
 
 I think this change will up the ante for corporations that do 
 not send their
 staff to official training courses or expect that staff will 
 keep up to date
 in their certifications on their own time and money, a $50 
 book out of one's
 own pocket doesn't compare with a $2000 course.
  
 Employees in Canada can't deduct training etc. before income 
 taxes, only
 consultants can.  I don't know if that's the case in the U.S. 
 or the UK as
 well.
  
 Maybe more people will become consultants, but then again 
 there is a bit of
 a crunch in the IT job sector right now.
 
 
 Regards, 
 Patrice Boivin 
 Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) 
 
 -Original Message-
 Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 4:44 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 Soon we will be required as a part of the hiring process to 
 make a visit to
 Oracle for certification, medical check, and brain wash!
  
  Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
 author and do not necessarily represent those of the company
 
 
  -Original Message-
 Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 3:18 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 
 I couldn't believe that, Ron, so I had to check it out myself.  You're
 right:
 
  
 
 http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/index.html?dba9i
 _ocmpract.html
 http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/index.html?dba9
 i_ocmpract.htm
 l 
 
  
 
 Oracle Certified Master DBA Practicum Exam 
 
 An OCM candidate must successfully pass the Oracle Certified 
 Master DBA
 practicum after having completed the required OU advanced learning
 requirements. The practicum will be conducted at an Oracle University
 facility in each global region. The location for Americas is 
 Chicago, IL.
 The cost for the practicum is $2000.00 US Dollars. Locations 
 for EMEA and
 APAC have not yet been determined.
 
  
 
 The practicum is a two-day, hands-on performance based event where
 candidates will be presented with numerous scenarios that 
 will require them
 to diagnose and solve highly technical Oracle server related 
 problems. Each
 candidate will have their own dedicated LINUX server that is 
 configured with
 the Oracle server software, Oracle Enterprise Manager, and the Oracle
 documentation set. 
 
  
 
 Topics on the practicum include core database technology, database
 configuration, replication, partitioning, parallel 
 operations, diagnostics,
 troubleshooting, performance tuning, and backup and recovery. 
 Candidates may
 also encounter ad hoc database problems that they will have 
 to resolve,
 therefore simulating real-world database operations. Oracle 
 tools such as
 Oracle Enterprise Manager, Data Guard, Flashback, Recovery 
 Manager, and
 Oracle documentation will be available to candidates during 
 the practicum. 
 
  
 
 Candidates will be scored on their ability to successfully 
 complete the
 scenarios and if they obtain a passing score they will be 
 awarded the OCM
 certification. Based upon a candidate's performance during 
 the practicum,
 they may not be awarded the OCM certification if they do not 
 achieve the
 preset passing score.
 
  
 
 I think that the price tag is a way too high to start with, 
 but the thing
 that really blew me away is that the test is on Linux only??? 
  It's

RE: OCP newsletter, latest changes...

2002-06-18 Thread Brian McGraw

Can I get an Amen???  :)

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-Original Message-
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 9:38 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

Brian, come one hard core oracle people know that windoze is not a real
OS.

And hard core oracle people only use the Oracle GUI tools, no toad or 
any of the rest of that crap, OEM runs on linux, i dont see a stinkin 
toad running on anything other than windoze and we all know the unix 
heads(including myself) live and die by the command line, its the only 
way to live.

joe


Brian McGraw wrote:

 I couldn't believe that, Ron, so I had to check it out myself. You're 
 right:


http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/index.html?dba9i_ocmpract.
html

 Oracle Certified Master DBA Practicum Exam

 An OCM candidate must successfully pass the Oracle Certified Master 
 DBA practicum after having completed the required OU advanced learning

 requirements. The practicum will be conducted at an Oracle University 
 facility in each global region. The location for Americas is Chicago, 
 IL. The cost for the practicum is $2000.00 US Dollars. Locations for 
 EMEA and APAC have not yet been determined.

 The practicum is a two-day, hands-on performance based event where 
 candidates will be presented with numerous scenarios that will require

 them to diagnose and solve highly technical Oracle server related 
 problems. Each candidate will have their own dedicated LINUX server 
 that is configured with the Oracle server software, Oracle Enterprise 
 Manager, and the Oracle documentation set.

 Topics on the practicum include core database technology, database 
 configuration, replication, partitioning, parallel operations, 
 diagnostics, troubleshooting, performance tuning, and backup and 
 recovery. Candidates may also encounter ad hoc database problems that 
 they will have to resolve, therefore simulating real-world database 
 operations. Oracle tools such as Oracle Enterprise Manager, Data 
 Guard, Flashback, Recovery Manager, and Oracle documentation will be 
 available to candidates during the practicum.

 Candidates will be scored on their ability to successfully complete 
 the scenarios and if they obtain a passing score they will be awarded 
 the OCM certification. Based upon a candidate's performance during the

 practicum, they may not be awarded the OCM certification if they do 
 not achieve the preset passing score.

 I think that the price tag is a way too high to start with, but the 
 thing that really blew me away is that the test is on Linux only??? 
 It?s hard for me to believe that they won?t let you take it on your 
 platform of choice, especially for the hard-core-Windows guys out
there.

 And I have to use Enterprise Manager? Give me a break ? and a SQL
prompt.

 Brian

 --

 | Brian McGraw /* DBA */ Infinity Insurance |

 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |

 --

 -Original Message-
 Rogers
 Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:34 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

 Did you check out the prices for the OCM? Two classes plus $2,000 for

 the exam the last time I looked into it. Can I take an upgrade exam to

 upgrade my OCM-7?

 Ron

 ROR mô¿ôm

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/17/02 02:14PM 

 Speaking of OCP...I got this from the OCP newsletter...I guess Oracle

 needs

 more revenue streams...

 Dear Oracle Certified Professional,

 Please acknowledge this correspondance as an official notification in

 regards to your pursuit of Oracle Certification.

 The Oracle Certification credential continues to provide leverage to

 those

 who have earned it, leading to increased demand for Oracle Certified

 Professionals among hiring managers. To help meet this demand and

 increase

 the value of the credential, Oracle is investing heavily in the

 betterment

 of certification exams and learning offerings. Oracle customers and

 business

 partners demand that their Oracle Certified Professionals have

 hands-on

 experience with all aspects of the Oracle database. To meet our

 commitment

 to customers and constituents, three distinct changes are being rolled

 out

 with the goal of increasing the level of quality of our certification

 skill

 and ability benchmarks:

 Scenario-based testing in all new Oracle Certified Professional track

 exams

 (as of January, 2002)

 Instructor-led class requirement for all Oracle9i DBA Certified

 Professionals (as of June 15, 2002)

 A new hands-on Masters Practicum (available October, 2002)

 The OCP Oracle9i DBA track requires four tests: two required tests for

 OCA

 certification plus two additional tests. Oracle now also requires (as

 of

 June 15, 2002) that all newly starting OCP credential candidates

 complete

 one hands-on course with Oracle University in 

RE: OCP newsletter, latest changes...

2002-06-18 Thread Brian McGraw

That explains it.  

We're just paying the license fees for the test software. :)

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-Original Message-
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 3:02 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

 Two classes plus $2,000 for the exam

By way of comparison, the bar exam for becoming a lawyer in California
is a
three day exam, two days of which are essay tests, which are expensive
to
grade because they must be read and graded by people who are themselves
attorneys.  Cost for this three day exam:  $411.00

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Re: OCP newsletter, latest changes...

2002-06-18 Thread Alexandre Gorbatchev

Nothing surprising. Oracle is so big that one head doesn't know what
another head does. At least when they don't have to certify pieces together
8-)

The only problem with current Oracle GUI is Java... from another point, this
makes (ok, suppose to) the same GUI working on differnet platforms. I
personally would prefer different looking but fast GUI than working the same
slow.
Perhaps, the comand line is the best GUI we can get. :) - always fast and
always the same.

--
Alexandre

- Original Message -
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:48 PM


 Can I get an Amen???  :)

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 | Brian McGraw /* DBA */  Infinity Insurance |
 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |
 --

 -Original Message-
 Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 9:38 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

 Brian, come one hard core oracle people know that windoze is not a real
 OS.

 And hard core oracle people only use the Oracle GUI tools, no toad or
 any of the rest of that crap, OEM runs on linux, i dont see a stinkin
 toad running on anything other than windoze and we all know the unix
 heads(including myself) live and die by the command line, its the only
 way to live.

 joe


 Brian McGraw wrote:

  I couldn't believe that, Ron, so I had to check it out myself. You're
  right:
 
 
 http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/index.html?dba9i_ocmpract.
 html
 
  Oracle Certified Master DBA Practicum Exam
 
  An OCM candidate must successfully pass the Oracle Certified Master
  DBA practicum after having completed the required OU advanced learning

  requirements. The practicum will be conducted at an Oracle University
  facility in each global region. The location for Americas is Chicago,
  IL. The cost for the practicum is $2000.00 US Dollars. Locations for
  EMEA and APAC have not yet been determined.
 
  The practicum is a two-day, hands-on performance based event where
  candidates will be presented with numerous scenarios that will require

  them to diagnose and solve highly technical Oracle server related
  problems. Each candidate will have their own dedicated LINUX server
  that is configured with the Oracle server software, Oracle Enterprise
  Manager, and the Oracle documentation set.
 
  Topics on the practicum include core database technology, database
  configuration, replication, partitioning, parallel operations,
  diagnostics, troubleshooting, performance tuning, and backup and
  recovery. Candidates may also encounter ad hoc database problems that
  they will have to resolve, therefore simulating real-world database
  operations. Oracle tools such as Oracle Enterprise Manager, Data
  Guard, Flashback, Recovery Manager, and Oracle documentation will be
  available to candidates during the practicum.
 
  Candidates will be scored on their ability to successfully complete
  the scenarios and if they obtain a passing score they will be awarded
  the OCM certification. Based upon a candidate's performance during the

  practicum, they may not be awarded the OCM certification if they do
  not achieve the preset passing score.
 
  I think that the price tag is a way too high to start with, but the
  thing that really blew me away is that the test is on Linux only???
  It?s hard for me to believe that they won?t let you take it on your
  platform of choice, especially for the hard-core-Windows guys out
 there.
 
  And I have to use Enterprise Manager? Give me a break ? and a SQL
 prompt.
 
  Brian
 
  --
 
  | Brian McGraw /* DBA */ Infinity Insurance |
 
  | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |
 
  --
 
  -Original Message-
  Rogers
  Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:34 PM
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
  Did you check out the prices for the OCM? Two classes plus $2,000 for
 
  the exam the last time I looked into it. Can I take an upgrade exam to
 
  upgrade my OCM-7?
 
  Ron
 
  ROR mô¿ôm
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/17/02 02:14PM 
 
  Speaking of OCP...I got this from the OCP newsletter...I guess Oracle
 
  needs
 
  more revenue streams...
 
  Dear Oracle Certified Professional,
 
  Please acknowledge this correspondance as an official notification in
 
  regards to your pursuit of Oracle Certification.
 
  The Oracle Certification credential continues to provide leverage to
 
  those
 
  who have earned it, leading to increased demand for Oracle Certified
 
  Professionals among hiring managers. To help meet this demand and
 
  increase
 
  the value of the credential, Oracle is investing heavily in the
 
  betterment
 
  of certification exams and learning offerings. Oracle customers and
 
  business
 
  partners demand that their Oracle Certified Professionals have
 
  hands-on
 
  experience with all aspects of the Oracle database. To meet our
 
  commitment
 
  to customers and 

Re: RE: OCP newsletter, latest changes...

2002-06-18 Thread Jared Still


This new certification test sounds similar to what Cisco does,
and Cisco certification is highly regarded among networking
folks, as you must know what you're doing to obtain certification.

As I recall, it takes a couple of days to get through it all.

Anyone know what the Cisco tests cost?

Jared

On Tuesday 18 June 2002 06:18, Karniotis, Stephen wrote:
 Hey folks.

   I just saw this thread this morning.  What a crime.  It seems that the
 only way Oracle can generate sufficient streams of revenue is to punish
 those that popularize their software for the market.  As an Oracle DBA and
 IT Manager, I will not pay for any of my staff to obtain a certification
 that requires such a ridiculous configuration.  It just shows that Oracle
 is trying to generate as much revenue as possible.  Given the state of
 today's economy, I don't think Oracle should be alienating their
 customer/PR base.

   As far as the tax issue:  If training is not provided by your employer,
 and is required for your job, it can be deducted as business expense on
 form 2106.  For education, the feds allow for educational expenses and some
 states also allow for it.

 Thank You

 Stephen P. Karniotis
 Product Architect
 Compuware Corporation
 Direct:   (248) 865-4350
 Mobile:   (248) 408-2918
 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Web:  www.compuware.com

  -Original Message-
 Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 5:34 PM
 To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject:  RE: RE: OCP newsletter, latest changes...

 I know, I have that experience myself. What is the point
 in putting in the training, then?

  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 5:22 PM
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  Subject: Re:RE: OCP newsletter, latest changes...
 
 
  In the US one can put training on their income tax forms, but
  the IRS will
  disallow it.
 
  Dick Goulet
  One of the disallowed!
 
  Reply Separator
  Author: Boivin; Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date:   6/17/2002 12:05 PM
 
  I think this change will up the ante for corporations that do
  not send their
  staff to official training courses or expect that staff will
  keep up to date
  in their certifications on their own time and money, a $50
  book out of one's
  own pocket doesn't compare with a $2000 course.
 
  Employees in Canada can't deduct training etc. before income
  taxes, only
  consultants can.  I don't know if that's the case in the U.S.
  or the UK as
  well.
 
  Maybe more people will become consultants, but then again
  there is a bit of
  a crunch in the IT job sector right now.
 
 
  Regards,
  Patrice Boivin
  Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
 
  -Original Message-
  Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 4:44 PM
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
  Soon we will be required as a part of the hiring process to
  make a visit to
  Oracle for certification, medical check, and brain wash!
 
   Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
  author and do not necessarily represent those of the company
 
 
   -Original Message-
  Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 3:18 PM
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 
  I couldn't believe that, Ron, so I had to check it out myself.  You're
  right:
 
 
 
  http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/index.html?dba9i
  _ocmpract.html
  http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/index.html?dba9
  i_ocmpract.htm
  l
 
 
 
  Oracle Certified Master DBA Practicum Exam
 
  An OCM candidate must successfully pass the Oracle Certified
  Master DBA
  practicum after having completed the required OU advanced learning
  requirements. The practicum will be conducted at an Oracle University
  facility in each global region. The location for Americas is
  Chicago, IL.
  The cost for the practicum is $2000.00 US Dollars. Locations
  for EMEA and
  APAC have not yet been determined.
 
 
 
  The practicum is a two-day, hands-on performance based event where
  candidates will be presented with numerous scenarios that
  will require them
  to diagnose and solve highly technical Oracle server related
  problems. Each
  candidate will have their own dedicated LINUX server that is
  configured with
  the Oracle server software, Oracle Enterprise Manager, and the Oracle
  documentation set.
 
 
 
  Topics on the practicum include core database technology, database
  configuration, replication, partitioning, parallel
  operations, diagnostics,
  troubleshooting, performance tuning, and backup and recovery.
  Candidates may
  also encounter ad hoc database problems that they will have
  to resolve,
  therefore simulating real-world database operations. Oracle
  tools such as
  Oracle Enterprise Manager, Data Guard, Flashback, Recovery
  Manager, and
  Oracle documentation will be available to candidates during
  the practicum.
 
 
 
  Candidates will be scored

Re[2]: RE: OCP newsletter, latest changes...

2002-06-18 Thread dgoulet

Jared,

Just turned to my Network Guru who is chasing the Cisco cert.  There are
three tests at $100 each and then the 2 day practical which is $2,000.

Dick Goulet

Reply Separator
Author: Jared Still [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:   6/18/2002 6:03 AM


This new certification test sounds similar to what Cisco does,
and Cisco certification is highly regarded among networking
folks, as you must know what you're doing to obtain certification.

As I recall, it takes a couple of days to get through it all.

Anyone know what the Cisco tests cost?

Jared

On Tuesday 18 June 2002 06:18, Karniotis, Stephen wrote:
 Hey folks.

   I just saw this thread this morning.  What a crime.  It seems that the
 only way Oracle can generate sufficient streams of revenue is to punish
 those that popularize their software for the market.  As an Oracle DBA and
 IT Manager, I will not pay for any of my staff to obtain a certification
 that requires such a ridiculous configuration.  It just shows that Oracle
 is trying to generate as much revenue as possible.  Given the state of
 today's economy, I don't think Oracle should be alienating their
 customer/PR base.

   As far as the tax issue:  If training is not provided by your employer,
 and is required for your job, it can be deducted as business expense on
 form 2106.  For education, the feds allow for educational expenses and some
 states also allow for it.

 Thank You

 Stephen P. Karniotis
 Product Architect
 Compuware Corporation
 Direct:   (248) 865-4350
 Mobile:   (248) 408-2918
 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Web:  www.compuware.com

  -Original Message-
 Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 5:34 PM
 To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject:  RE: RE: OCP newsletter, latest changes...

 I know, I have that experience myself. What is the point
 in putting in the training, then?

  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 5:22 PM
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  Subject: Re:RE: OCP newsletter, latest changes...
 
 
  In the US one can put training on their income tax forms, but
  the IRS will
  disallow it.
 
  Dick Goulet
  One of the disallowed!
 
  Reply Separator
  Author: Boivin; Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date:   6/17/2002 12:05 PM
 
  I think this change will up the ante for corporations that do
  not send their
  staff to official training courses or expect that staff will
  keep up to date
  in their certifications on their own time and money, a $50
  book out of one's
  own pocket doesn't compare with a $2000 course.
 
  Employees in Canada can't deduct training etc. before income
  taxes, only
  consultants can.  I don't know if that's the case in the U.S.
  or the UK as
  well.
 
  Maybe more people will become consultants, but then again
  there is a bit of
  a crunch in the IT job sector right now.
 
 
  Regards,
  Patrice Boivin
  Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
 
  -Original Message-
  Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 4:44 PM
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
  Soon we will be required as a part of the hiring process to
  make a visit to
  Oracle for certification, medical check, and brain wash!
 
   Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
  author and do not necessarily represent those of the company
 
 
   -Original Message-
  Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 3:18 PM
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 
  I couldn't believe that, Ron, so I had to check it out myself.  You're
  right:
 
 
 
  http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/index.html?dba9i
  _ocmpract.html
  http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/index.html?dba9
  i_ocmpract.htm
  l
 
 
 
  Oracle Certified Master DBA Practicum Exam
 
  An OCM candidate must successfully pass the Oracle Certified
  Master DBA
  practicum after having completed the required OU advanced learning
  requirements. The practicum will be conducted at an Oracle University
  facility in each global region. The location for Americas is
  Chicago, IL.
  The cost for the practicum is $2000.00 US Dollars. Locations
  for EMEA and
  APAC have not yet been determined.
 
 
 
  The practicum is a two-day, hands-on performance based event where
  candidates will be presented with numerous scenarios that
  will require them
  to diagnose and solve highly technical Oracle server related
  problems. Each
  candidate will have their own dedicated LINUX server that is
  configured with
  the Oracle server software, Oracle Enterprise Manager, and the Oracle
  documentation set.
 
 
 
  Topics on the practicum include core database technology, database
  configuration, replication, partitioning, parallel
  operations, diagnostics,
  troubleshooting, performance tuning, and backup and recovery.
  Candidates may
  also encounter ad hoc database problems that they will have