RE: ORACLE NAMES /LDAP

2001-05-31 Thread Haskins, Ed

Vikas,

I just implemented Oracle Names (8.1.6) for Verizon
Wireless...corporate-wide.  I've setup three ONAMES servers: 

1.  At Corporate Headquarters in NJ.  This server contains the region
database for ONAMES.  It also serves as the Secondary ONAMES server
corporate-wide.

2.  In data center in NY.  This server provides Primary ONAMES services to
the corporate regions in both the North East and South areas.

3.  In data center in CA.  This server provides Primary ONAMES services to
the corporate regions in both the West and Midwest areas.

This infrastructure supports 26,000 users accessing 250+ databases
corporate-wide.

Oracle Names is making its' terminal release in 9i.  Oracle is recommending
that companies migrate to their LDAP (Oracle Internet Directory) solution.
This solution is not cheap...so we have decided to wait probably another
year or so before going this route.  OiD is also a bit more complicated to
setup and administer.

Ed Haskins
Oracle DBA
Verizon Wireless



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Anyone using this product as an alternative to Local Naming ? How about LDAP
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Any info /suggestions/comments are welcome 

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RE: ORACLE NAMES /LDAP

2001-05-31 Thread Vikas Kawatra

Thanks ! A very useful link !

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Vikas Kawatra wrote:
 
 Anyone using this product as an alternative to Local Naming ? How about
LDAP
 ?
 
 Any info /suggestions/comments are welcome
 
 vikas

Check out the latest Oracle Magazine for an article by Jonathan Gennick
on using Oracle Names as an LDAP proxy.
Its available at

http://www.oracle.com/oramag/oracle/01-may/index.html?o31ldap.html

hth,

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RE: ORACLE NAMES /LDAP

2001-05-31 Thread Jesse, Rich

Hi Ed,

Why do you say that OiD is not cheap?  I haven't seen any associated
costs, other than servers to put it on.  Can you explain?

The complicated part, though I definitely agree with!  :)

Thx!

Rich Jesse  System/Database Administrator
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA


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Vikas,

I just implemented Oracle Names (8.1.6) for Verizon
Wireless...corporate-wide.  I've setup three ONAMES servers: 

1.  At Corporate Headquarters in NJ.  This server contains the region
database for ONAMES.  It also serves as the Secondary ONAMES server
corporate-wide.

2.  In data center in NY.  This server provides Primary ONAMES services to
the corporate regions in both the North East and South areas.

3.  In data center in CA.  This server provides Primary ONAMES services to
the corporate regions in both the West and Midwest areas.

This infrastructure supports 26,000 users accessing 250+ databases
corporate-wide.

Oracle Names is making its' terminal release in 9i.  Oracle is recommending
that companies migrate to their LDAP (Oracle Internet Directory) solution.
This solution is not cheap...so we have decided to wait probably another
year or so before going this route.  OiD is also a bit more complicated to
setup and administer.

Ed Haskins
Oracle DBA
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RE: ORACLE NAMES /LDAP

2001-05-31 Thread Haskins, Ed

OiD is a separately licensable product...not included as part of the DB
license.  If I remember correctly, you have the UPU license calculation or a
per entry license @ $50/, with 5000 entries being the minimum!!

Ed Haskins
Oracle DBA
Verizon Wireless


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Hi Ed,

Why do you say that OiD is not cheap?  I haven't seen any associated
costs, other than servers to put it on.  Can you explain?

The complicated part, though I definitely agree with!  :)

Thx!

Rich Jesse  System/Database Administrator
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA


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Vikas,

I just implemented Oracle Names (8.1.6) for Verizon
Wireless...corporate-wide.  I've setup three ONAMES servers: 

1.  At Corporate Headquarters in NJ.  This server contains the region
database for ONAMES.  It also serves as the Secondary ONAMES server
corporate-wide.

2.  In data center in NY.  This server provides Primary ONAMES services to
the corporate regions in both the North East and South areas.

3.  In data center in CA.  This server provides Primary ONAMES services to
the corporate regions in both the West and Midwest areas.

This infrastructure supports 26,000 users accessing 250+ databases
corporate-wide.

Oracle Names is making its' terminal release in 9i.  Oracle is recommending
that companies migrate to their LDAP (Oracle Internet Directory) solution.
This solution is not cheap...so we have decided to wait probably another
year or so before going this route.  OiD is also a bit more complicated to
setup and administer.

Ed Haskins
Oracle DBA
Verizon Wireless
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RE: ORACLE NAMES /LDAP

2001-05-31 Thread Vadim Gorbounov

Hi, 
Actually, it's not so bad.
OiD is licensed separately ONLY when used as general purpose directory
service.
Check Metalink Note:135696.1

13. Do I need to license OID when deploying the directory for NET8 ?

Answer
--
No, deploying OID for NET8 is free of charge.

Vadim Gorbounov
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OiD is a separately licensable product...not included as part of the DB
license.  If I remember correctly, you have the UPU license calculation or a
per entry license @ $50/, with 5000 entries being the minimum!!

Ed Haskins
Oracle DBA
Verizon Wireless


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Hi Ed,

Why do you say that OiD is not cheap?  I haven't seen any associated
costs, other than servers to put it on.  Can you explain?

The complicated part, though I definitely agree with!  :)

Thx!

Rich Jesse  System/Database Administrator
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA


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Vikas,

I just implemented Oracle Names (8.1.6) for Verizon
Wireless...corporate-wide.  I've setup three ONAMES servers: 

1.  At Corporate Headquarters in NJ.  This server contains the region
database for ONAMES.  It also serves as the Secondary ONAMES server
corporate-wide.

2.  In data center in NY.  This server provides Primary ONAMES services to
the corporate regions in both the North East and South areas.

3.  In data center in CA.  This server provides Primary ONAMES services to
the corporate regions in both the West and Midwest areas.

This infrastructure supports 26,000 users accessing 250+ databases
corporate-wide.

Oracle Names is making its' terminal release in 9i.  Oracle is recommending
that companies migrate to their LDAP (Oracle Internet Directory) solution.
This solution is not cheap...so we have decided to wait probably another
year or so before going this route.  OiD is also a bit more complicated to
setup and administer.

Ed Haskins
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RE: ORACLE NAMES /LDAP

2001-05-31 Thread Haskins, Ed

Interesting...Oracle must have changed their minds on this issue.  I know we
complained that it seemed crazy for us to pay for OiD when ONAMES is
free...considering Oracle is de-supporting ONAMES and practically forcing
customers to go with OiD (LDAP).  I guess they actually used some of the
feedback we and others provided to straighten out the inconsistency!!

Ed Haskins
Oracle DBA
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Hi, 
Actually, it's not so bad.
OiD is licensed separately ONLY when used as general purpose directory
service.
Check Metalink Note:135696.1

13. Do I need to license OID when deploying the directory for NET8 ?

Answer
--
No, deploying OID for NET8 is free of charge.

Vadim Gorbounov
Oracle DBA 



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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


OiD is a separately licensable product...not included as part of the DB
license.  If I remember correctly, you have the UPU license calculation or a
per entry license @ $50/, with 5000 entries being the minimum!!

Ed Haskins
Oracle DBA
Verizon Wireless


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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Hi Ed,

Why do you say that OiD is not cheap?  I haven't seen any associated
costs, other than servers to put it on.  Can you explain?

The complicated part, though I definitely agree with!  :)

Thx!

Rich Jesse  System/Database Administrator
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA


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Vikas,

I just implemented Oracle Names (8.1.6) for Verizon
Wireless...corporate-wide.  I've setup three ONAMES servers: 

1.  At Corporate Headquarters in NJ.  This server contains the region
database for ONAMES.  It also serves as the Secondary ONAMES server
corporate-wide.

2.  In data center in NY.  This server provides Primary ONAMES services to
the corporate regions in both the North East and South areas.

3.  In data center in CA.  This server provides Primary ONAMES services to
the corporate regions in both the West and Midwest areas.

This infrastructure supports 26,000 users accessing 250+ databases
corporate-wide.

Oracle Names is making its' terminal release in 9i.  Oracle is recommending
that companies migrate to their LDAP (Oracle Internet Directory) solution.
This solution is not cheap...so we have decided to wait probably another
year or so before going this route.  OiD is also a bit more complicated to
setup and administer.

Ed Haskins
Oracle DBA
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RE: ORACLE NAMES /LDAP

2001-05-31 Thread Raymond Lee Meng Hong

 Sorry about asking these question , because currently I'm not in my office
so I don't have the document  ,Why we need to use Oracles Names /LDAP ?? 

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Vikas,

I just implemented Oracle Names (8.1.6) for Verizon
Wireless...corporate-wide.  I've setup three ONAMES servers: 

1.  At Corporate Headquarters in NJ.  This server contains the region
database for ONAMES.  It also serves as the Secondary ONAMES server
corporate-wide.

2.  In data center in NY.  This server provides Primary ONAMES services to
the corporate regions in both the North East and South areas.

3.  In data center in CA.  This server provides Primary ONAMES services to
the corporate regions in both the West and Midwest areas.

This infrastructure supports 26,000 users accessing 250+ databases
corporate-wide.

Oracle Names is making its' terminal release in 9i.  Oracle is recommending
that companies migrate to their LDAP (Oracle Internet Directory) solution.
This solution is not cheap...so we have decided to wait probably another
year or so before going this route.  OiD is also a bit more complicated to
setup and administer.

Ed Haskins
Oracle DBA
Verizon Wireless



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Anyone using this product as an alternative to Local Naming ? How about LDAP
?

Any info /suggestions/comments are welcome 

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Re: ORACLE NAMES /LDAP

2001-05-31 Thread Charlie Mengler

The most simple analogy is would you prefer to manually
maintain a host file on each client or use a single facility
such as a DNS server ot provide the mapping between
hostname  IP_number?

At some point switching from using TNSNAMES.ORA files
on all Oracle servers  client to a single/centralized name
server, such as Oracle Name or LDAP, make sense.

It is not directly a question of need, but an issue of
the level of effort for ongoing maintenance.

Raymond Lee Meng Hong wrote:

  Sorry about asking these question , because currently I'm not in my office
 so I don't have the document  ,Why we need to use Oracles Names /LDAP ??

 -Original Message-
 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 11:51 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

 Vikas,

 I just implemented Oracle Names (8.1.6) for Verizon
 Wireless...corporate-wide.  I've setup three ONAMES servers:

 1.  At Corporate Headquarters in NJ.  This server contains the region
 database for ONAMES.  It also serves as the Secondary ONAMES server
 corporate-wide.

 2.  In data center in NY.  This server provides Primary ONAMES services to
 the corporate regions in both the North East and South areas.

 3.  In data center in CA.  This server provides Primary ONAMES services to
 the corporate regions in both the West and Midwest areas.

 This infrastructure supports 26,000 users accessing 250+ databases
 corporate-wide.

 Oracle Names is making its' terminal release in 9i.  Oracle is recommending
 that companies migrate to their LDAP (Oracle Internet Directory) solution.
 This solution is not cheap...so we have decided to wait probably another
 year or so before going this route.  OiD is also a bit more complicated to
 setup and administer.

 Ed Haskins
 Oracle DBA
 Verizon Wireless

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 Anyone using this product as an alternative to Local Naming ? How about LDAP
 ?

 Any info /suggestions/comments are welcome

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Re: ORACLE NAMES /LDAP

2001-05-31 Thread Charlie Mengler

The most simple analogy is would you prefer to manually
maintain a host file on each client or use a single facility
such as a DNS server ot provide the mapping between
hostname  IP_number?

At some point switching from using TNSNAMES.ORA files
on all Oracle servers  client to a single/centralized name
server, such as Oracle Name or LDAP, make sense.

It is not directly a question of need, but an issue of
the level of effort for ongoing maintenance.

Raymond Lee Meng Hong wrote:

  Sorry about asking these question , because currently I'm not in my office
 so I don't have the document  ,Why we need to use Oracles Names /LDAP ??

 -Original Message-
 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 11:51 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

 Vikas,

 I just implemented Oracle Names (8.1.6) for Verizon
 Wireless...corporate-wide.  I've setup three ONAMES servers:

 1.  At Corporate Headquarters in NJ.  This server contains the region
 database for ONAMES.  It also serves as the Secondary ONAMES server
 corporate-wide.

 2.  In data center in NY.  This server provides Primary ONAMES services to
 the corporate regions in both the North East and South areas.

 3.  In data center in CA.  This server provides Primary ONAMES services to
 the corporate regions in both the West and Midwest areas.

 This infrastructure supports 26,000 users accessing 250+ databases
 corporate-wide.

 Oracle Names is making its' terminal release in 9i.  Oracle is recommending
 that companies migrate to their LDAP (Oracle Internet Directory) solution.
 This solution is not cheap...so we have decided to wait probably another
 year or so before going this route.  OiD is also a bit more complicated to
 setup and administer.

 Ed Haskins
 Oracle DBA
 Verizon Wireless

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 Anyone using this product as an alternative to Local Naming ? How about LDAP
 ?

 Any info /suggestions/comments are welcome

 vikas
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