RE: Oracle encouraging Linux software developers
IBM is loudly touting how much money they will be spending on Linux. Has anyone seen any sales statistics for DB2 on non-IBM platforms? I feel that IBM has a challenge to convince buyers to consider DB2 on Linux. Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dennis, Humourously ... at least in Oz, the number one Unix platform for DB2 is Solaris. IBM will probably turn this around ... they are being quite clever with the 5L releases of AIX, by enabling compatibility with both AIX and Linux binaries. So they feed you a little Linux box, wait for you to decide you need something bigger, ease you on to an AIX 5L box still running your linux code (but now you're paying AIX licencing), and then roll in with the usual IBM steamroller. That said, I've just had a free 3-day training course from them, so nothing like biting the hand that feeds, so to speak :-) Ciao Fuzzy :-) -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Grant Allen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle encouraging Linux software developers
Jacques - We often don't realize that at end-user sites we look at the immediate computer marketplace. Any vendor that did that would be out of business in a couple of years. A vendor, like Oracle, must predict where the the market will be in a couple of years. About two years ago the META Group predicted that in about 5 years most servers sold would be running one of three operating systems: 1. Windows 2. Linux 3. Solaris As near as I can tell, they are on the mark. The other Unix vendors are showing signs of shifting to Linux. Obviously they won't announce that directly since they need to keep selling computers today. From Oracle's point of view, they don't care who is the winner, just that Oracle is the leading database, and not something like MySQL. Remember how Unix emerged as the leading O.S. Since ATT couldn't sell computers (for awhile due to antitrust restrictions), they gave source code copies to colleges. New C.S. majors learned Unix inside out while in college. I understand today that those people are learning Linux internals in college. Obviously Microsoft is at a disadvantage since they don't want to provide source code, although I heard Microsoft has an initiative to provide limited source code to a college. Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 7:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For those not interested in marketing news, I would suggest skipping this message. From a Computerworld article http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,79730,00. html http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,79730,00 .html Oracle ups Linux efforts with ISV program By James Niccolai, IDG News Service MARCH 26, 2003 Oracle Corp. is shelling out US$150 million to encourage its software partners to develop for Linux (two US$ for every US$ spent be the vendor.) Some other interesting tidbits from the article: Separately, engineers at Oracle are working on the Linux kernel, the code at the heart of all Linux distributions, to make it more suitable for Oracle's software. The company plans to submit its work to Linus Torvalds, who oversees changes made to the Linux kernel, with the hope its work will be incorporated ... Among those efforts ... increase the amount of physical memory that can be addressed by 32-bit Intel servers running Linux. Oracle also hopes that a version of the clustered file system that it released for Linux customers last year will become part of the kernel. Why would Oracle give money to people to develop on Linux? Is it only to help bring down Microsoft? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle encouraging Linux software developers
It reminds me a report (Gartner, Meta, ?) I've read in 1997 saying that after year 2000 there should be only 3 players in the rdbms market : Oracle because it has the biggest market share, IBM because it's IBM and Microsoft because Bill was throwing a lot of $$$ to develop Sql Server. In 2003, Ingres, Sybase and Informix have about a 5% marketshare all together. What's for the future ? Stephane -Original Message- WILLIAMS Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 9:14 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Jacques - We often don't realize that at end-user sites we look at the immediate computer marketplace. Any vendor that did that would be out of business in a couple of years. A vendor, like Oracle, must predict where the the market will be in a couple of years. About two years ago the META Group predicted that in about 5 years most servers sold would be running one of three operating systems: 1. Windows 2. Linux 3. Solaris As near as I can tell, they are on the mark. The other Unix vendors are showing signs of shifting to Linux. Obviously they won't announce that directly since they need to keep selling computers today. From Oracle's point of view, they don't care who is the winner, just that Oracle is the leading database, and not something like MySQL. Remember how Unix emerged as the leading O.S. Since ATT couldn't sell computers (for awhile due to antitrust restrictions), they gave source code copies to colleges. New C.S. majors learned Unix inside out while in college. I understand today that those people are learning Linux internals in college. Obviously Microsoft is at a disadvantage since they don't want to provide source code, although I heard Microsoft has an initiative to provide limited source code to a college. Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 7:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For those not interested in marketing news, I would suggest skipping this message. From a Computerworld article http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,79730,00. html http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,79730,00 .html Oracle ups Linux efforts with ISV program By James Niccolai, IDG News Service MARCH 26, 2003 Oracle Corp. is shelling out US$150 million to encourage its software partners to develop for Linux (two US$ for every US$ spent be the vendor.) Some other interesting tidbits from the article: Separately, engineers at Oracle are working on the Linux kernel, the code at the heart of all Linux distributions, to make it more suitable for Oracle's software. The company plans to submit its work to Linus Torvalds, who oversees changes made to the Linux kernel, with the hope its work will be incorporated ... Among those efforts ... increase the amount of physical memory that can be addressed by 32-bit Intel servers running Linux. Oracle also hopes that a version of the clustered file system that it released for Linux customers last year will become part of the kernel. Why would Oracle give money to people to develop on Linux? Is it only to help bring down Microsoft? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephane Paquette INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle encouraging Linux software developers
Lemme quote the infamous Michael Moore's book Stupid White Men: In 1919, twenty years after the invention of the automobile, there were 108 automobile manufacturers in the UnitedStates. Ten years later the number had whittled down to the Big 44 U.S. auto companies. By the end of the fifties it had dropped to 8, and today we have a grand total of 2-1/2 U.S. car manufacturers. Do you see the trend? -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L It reminds me a report (Gartner, Meta, ?) I've read in 1997 saying that after year 2000 there should be only 3 players in the rdbms market : Oracle because it has the biggest market share, IBM because it's IBM and Microsoft because Bill was throwing a lot of $$$ to develop Sql Server. In 2003, Ingres, Sybase and Informix have about a 5% marketshare all together. What's for the future ? Stephane -Original Message- WILLIAMS Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 9:14 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Jacques - We often don't realize that at end-user sites we look at the immediate computer marketplace. Any vendor that did that would be out of business in a couple of years. A vendor, like Oracle, must predict where the the market will be in a couple of years. About two years ago the META Group predicted that in about 5 years most servers sold would be running one of three operating systems: 1. Windows 2. Linux 3. Solaris As near as I can tell, they are on the mark. The other Unix vendors are showing signs of shifting to Linux. Obviously they won't announce that directly since they need to keep selling computers today. From Oracle's point of view, they don't care who is the winner, just that Oracle is the leading database, and not something like MySQL. Remember how Unix emerged as the leading O.S. Since ATT couldn't sell computers (for awhile due to antitrust restrictions), they gave source code copies to colleges. New C.S. majors learned Unix inside out while in college. I understand today that those people are learning Linux internals in college. Obviously Microsoft is at a disadvantage since they don't want to provide source code, although I heard Microsoft has an initiative to provide limited source code to a college. Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 7:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For those not interested in marketing news, I would suggest skipping this message. From a Computerworld article http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,79730,00. html http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,79730,00 .html Oracle ups Linux efforts with ISV program By James Niccolai, IDG News Service MARCH 26, 2003 Oracle Corp. is shelling out US$150 million to encourage its software partners to develop for Linux (two US$ for every US$ spent be the vendor.) Some other interesting tidbits from the article: Separately, engineers at Oracle are working on the Linux kernel, the code at the heart of all Linux distributions, to make it more suitable for Oracle's software. The company plans to submit its work to Linus Torvalds, who oversees changes made to the Linux kernel, with the hope its work will be incorporated ... Among those efforts ... increase the amount of physical memory that can be addressed by 32-bit Intel servers running Linux. Oracle also hopes that a version of the clustered file system that it released for Linux customers last year will become part of the kernel. Why would Oracle give money to people to develop on Linux? Is it only to help bring down Microsoft? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephane Paquette INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP
RE: Oracle encouraging Linux software developers
Actually, I don't think there are ANY automobile manufacturers... There are only assemblers because most of the parts are made by someone else. It's too complicated for any single company. Specialization is the result of increased complexity. Assembling the component output of others into a working unit is more akin to opensource. That's the trend I WANT to see. It's interesting that Oracle and IBM are delving into opensource but Microsoft is not. It's a battle of titanic proportion. All hail the extinction of monoliths and other despots and dictators. Long live freedom and democracy. Oh, but what about Intel? Sigh... When given a choice, choose wisely. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:09 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Lemme quote the infamous Michael Moore's book Stupid White Men: In 1919, twenty years after the invention of the automobile, there were 108 automobile manufacturers in the UnitedStates. Ten years later the number had whittled down to the Big 44 U.S. auto companies. By the end of the fifties it had dropped to 8, and today we have a grand total of 2-1/2 U.S. car manufacturers. Do you see the trend? -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L It reminds me a report (Gartner, Meta, ?) I've read in 1997 saying that after year 2000 there should be only 3 players in the rdbms market : Oracle because it has the biggest market share, IBM because it's IBM and Microsoft because Bill was throwing a lot of $$$ to develop Sql Server. In 2003, Ingres, Sybase and Informix have about a 5% marketshare all together. What's for the future ? Stephane -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle encouraging Linux software developers
Title: RE: Oracle encouraging Linux software developers So your interpretation would be: Oracle is not so much pushing Linux at the expense of Microsoft, but ensuring their dominance in the emerging Linux database market. Though of course a strong Linux market will also be a market in which presumably Microsoft will not try to compete with Oracle, unless Microsoft decides to port SQL Server to Linux. -Original Message- From: DENNIS WILLIAMS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Jacques - We often don't realize that at end-user sites we look at the immediate computer marketplace. Any vendor that did that would be out of business in a couple of years. A vendor, like Oracle, must predict where the the market will be in a couple of years. About two years ago the META Group predicted that in about 5 years most servers sold would be running one of three operating systems: 1. Windows 2. Linux 3. Solaris As near as I can tell, they are on the mark. The other Unix vendors are showing signs of shifting to Linux. Obviously they won't announce that directly since they need to keep selling computers today. From Oracle's point of view, they don't care who is the winner, just that Oracle is the leading database, and not something like MySQL. ...
RE: Oracle encouraging Linux software developers
Title: RE: Oracle encouraging Linux software developers Interesting... whatever happened to HP/UX? Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services | Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: Jacques Kilchoer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 3:14 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Oracle encouraging Linux software developers So your interpretation would be: Oracle is not so much pushing Linux at the expense of Microsoft, but ensuring their dominance in the emerging Linux database market. Though of course a strong Linux market will also be a market in which presumably Microsoft will not try to compete with Oracle, unless Microsoft decides to port SQL Server to Linux. -Original Message- From: DENNIS WILLIAMS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Jacques - We often don't realize that at end-user sites we look at the immediate computer marketplace. Any vendor that did that would be out of business in a couple of years. A vendor, like Oracle, must predict where the the market will be in a couple of years. About two years ago the META Group predicted that in about 5 years most servers sold would be running one of three operating systems: 1. Windows 2. Linux 3. Solaris As near as I can tell, they are on the mark. The other Unix vendors are showing signs of shifting to Linux. Obviously they won't announce that directly since they need to keep selling computers today. From Oracle's point of view, they don't care who is the winner, just that Oracle is the leading database, and not something like MySQL. ...
Re: Oracle encouraging Linux software developers
6. Oracle has a strong history of picking tomorrow's platforms. My recollection is that they jumped on the Unix bandwagon pretty early. Correction : Oracle has a strong history of following closely in IBM's steps. My own recollection is that till 1988 Oracle still was very closely associated to VMS - even if, granted, quite a number of Unix ports had been available for a number of years. But I think they began to take Unix seriously with the advent of AIX. Before, Unix (which one? Never worked properly on Ultrix) was on the same footing as Apollo's Domain or DataGeneral's forgot-the-name or (let's be esoterik) Norsk Data's Sintran III. There has been a time when the challenge was to run on as many platforms as possible. Which doesn't contradict your arguments, quite the contrary. -- Regards, Stephane Faroult Oriole Software -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephane Faroult INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle encouraging Linux software developers
Patrice Brings up an interesting issue. Last info I had, HP wasn't funding a new generation of chips. Instead they seemed to be betting on the Intel Itanium (along with many other vendors). Simple math says that Intel has a lot more money to fund chip development than the Unix vendors, and each new generation of chips requires a magnitude greater investment. Presumably they could port HP/UX to Itanium, but I believe Sun with Solaris is the only firm holdout against Linux. Now, the bigger question, in my mind, is what happened to the Itanium and where does that leave vendors like HP/UX? Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 1:49 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Interesting... whatever happened to HP/UX? Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 3:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So your interpretation would be: Oracle is not so much pushing Linux at the expense of Microsoft, but ensuring their dominance in the emerging Linux database market. Though of course a strong Linux market will also be a market in which presumably Microsoft will not try to compete with Oracle, unless Microsoft decides to port SQL Server to Linux. -Original Message- From: DENNIS WILLIAMS [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Jacques - We often don't realize that at end-user sites we look at the immediate computer marketplace. Any vendor that did that would be out of business in a couple of years. A vendor, like Oracle, must predict where the the market will be in a couple of years. About two years ago the META Group predicted that in about 5 years most servers sold would be running one of three operating systems: 1. Windows 2. Linux 3. Solaris As near as I can tell, they are on the mark. The other Unix vendors are showing signs of shifting to Linux. Obviously they won't announce that directly since they need to keep selling computers today. From Oracle's point of view, they don't care who is the winner, just that Oracle is the leading database, and not something like MySQL. ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
