RE: RE: Data Modeling opinion? Help?

2001-07-25 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F

Chris,

I don't think anyone is disagreeing with your evaluation of what SHOULD be
done (emphasis on purpose).

But, you have to deal with the people and politics of the client.  As I said
before, it sounds like something else is going on in the organization, and
someone decided to pull and end-around on you for some reason.

I would personally be more concerned about why they felt that they had to do
this to get their way.  Check your back, and make some friends (and maybe,
learn the art of compromise?  :)  )

Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional


-Original Message-
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 2:40 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Hmmm...when the spec is changed because of some business requirement then
that's fine.  But when it's changed because your own designers cant argue
the design on technical merit then what?  A spec should quote all the
business rules, and some high level details about the overall architecture
of the system.  But the spec shouldn't tell you that you will have these two
specific tables in the database, with these specific fields, etc.

In the end the contractor is ultimately responsible for the validity and
performance of the system that they deliver.  The contractor will never be
able to point back to some disclaimer and say We told you so.  It will be
next to impossible to point to the disclaimer when you start slipping the
schedule or when the performance is not quite there.

-Original Message-
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 1:09 PM
To: Grabowy; Chris; Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Chris,

True, except when I as the customer change the specs.  Then what is
right is
what I say.  Or as a Program Management instructor told the class As it is
written, so let it be done.

Dick Goulet

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Author: Grabowy; Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:   7/24/2001 9:48 AM

Exactly.  Which is why I am trying to change this now.

As for the previous comment, they do not pay me to beat them over the head,
BUT they do pay me to do what is right.  

-Original Message-
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 1:29 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Yes, but ironically enough, its the consultant they ram to the ground after
it goes south, no matter how well you document that you recommended against
it.  

-Original Message-
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 10:02 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Keep in mind that they pay you to advise them and to do what they want done.
They do not pay you to beat them over the head to do what is right.

Document to cya


 This is one of those cases where I would document your 
 concerns and the
 potential consequences thereof and submit that to damagement, 
 also keep a copy
 for yourself in the 'Pearl Harbor File'.  Then do as they 
 ask.  Yeah, I know
 it's dumb, but what are you as a consultant/contractor going to do?
 
 Dick Goulet
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RE: RE: Data Modeling opinion? Help?

2001-07-24 Thread Grabowy, Chris

Hmmm...when the spec is changed because of some business requirement then
that's fine.  But when it's changed because your own designers cant argue
the design on technical merit then what?  A spec should quote all the
business rules, and some high level details about the overall architecture
of the system.  But the spec shouldn't tell you that you will have these two
specific tables in the database, with these specific fields, etc.

In the end the contractor is ultimately responsible for the validity and
performance of the system that they deliver.  The contractor will never be
able to point back to some disclaimer and say We told you so.  It will be
next to impossible to point to the disclaimer when you start slipping the
schedule or when the performance is not quite there.

-Original Message-
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 1:09 PM
To: Grabowy; Chris; Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Chris,

True, except when I as the customer change the specs.  Then what is
right is
what I say.  Or as a Program Management instructor told the class As it is
written, so let it be done.

Dick Goulet

Reply Separator
Author: Grabowy; Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:   7/24/2001 9:48 AM

Exactly.  Which is why I am trying to change this now.

As for the previous comment, they do not pay me to beat them over the head,
BUT they do pay me to do what is right.  

-Original Message-
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 1:29 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Yes, but ironically enough, its the consultant they ram to the ground after
it goes south, no matter how well you document that you recommended against
it.  

-Original Message-
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 10:02 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Keep in mind that they pay you to advise them and to do what they want done.
They do not pay you to beat them over the head to do what is right.

Document to cya


 This is one of those cases where I would document your 
 concerns and the
 potential consequences thereof and submit that to damagement, 
 also keep a copy
 for yourself in the 'Pearl Harbor File'.  Then do as they 
 ask.  Yeah, I know
 it's dumb, but what are you as a consultant/contractor going to do?
 
 Dick Goulet
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