RE: RMAN backup - basic Qs
I stand corrected. thanks Robert. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 3:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L RMAN does no compression on any blocks with data. The only compression that occurs that blocks above the HWM are not included. No compression of data occurs, and in fact empty blocks can and are backed up by RMAN. RF Robert G. Freeman Technical Management Consultant TUSC - The Oracle Experts www.tusc.com 904.708.5076 Cell (it's everywhere that I am!) Author of several books you can find on Amazon.com! -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L No. Because Rman is not placing the tablespaces in a HOT BACKUP mode. Rman is simply reading the blocks, compressing them, and writing them to tape. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Is Excessive Redo Generated during RMAN OPEN Database backup using backup sets as happens in case of HOT Backup ? If NOT , Why ? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: VIVEK_SHARMA INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mercadante, Thomas F INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Freeman Robert - IL INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mercadante, Thomas F INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RMAN backup - basic Qs
Also, RMAN can do incremental backups, copying only the blocks that changed since last backup. More about all this in Oracle Manuals and in Robert's book. - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Maria - Definitely faster. Often hot backups can generate additional redo. Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L does this make RMAN hot backups faster or slower than when backing up file in backup mode? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To better answer the original question, my understanding of this difference is as under: Why do you put the tablespace in backup mode during normal hot backups without RMAN? This is to avoid backing up split blocks. Say, you have a database with a block size of 16K. And that a block is in the process of being backed up, with reads happening in chunks of say, 512 bytes. Assume a user transaction updates this block while the backup is in progress. This could result in an inconsistent version of the block being backed up, or what is called as split blocks. Putting a tablespace in backup mode, is primarily, a flag which tells Oracle to copy the entire block into the redo stream, and not just the changed vectors or deltas, which it would have done otherwise. This is so that, in case of recovery, the entire block can be read from the redo stream, and applied. Hence, this results in an increase in the redo size during normal hot backups. RMAN however, does not place the tablespaces in hot backup mode. They use the same read consistency mechanism used by the SQL statements. Hence, no excessive redo is generated. Hope this helps. Raj Original Message- Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Rman uses the same construct to get the right data in a hot backup as sqlplus, the SCN of the database. It reduces excess redo because you don't have to put the datafile in backup mode with a begin backup and take it out with and end backup. HTH, Ruth - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:35 PM Is Excessive Redo Generated during RMAN OPEN Database backup using backup sets as happens in case of HOT Backup ? If NOT , Why ? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: VIVEK_SHARMA INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Deshpande, Kirti INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RMAN backup - basic Qs
No. Because Rman is not placing the tablespaces in a HOT BACKUP mode. Rman is simply reading the blocks, compressing them, and writing them to tape. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Is Excessive Redo Generated during RMAN OPEN Database backup using backup sets as happens in case of HOT Backup ? If NOT , Why ? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: VIVEK_SHARMA INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mercadante, Thomas F INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: RMAN backup - basic Qs
Rman uses the same construct to get the right data in a hot backup as sqlplus, the SCN of the database. It reduces excess redo because you don't have to put the datafile in backup mode with a begin backup and take it out with and end backup. HTH, Ruth - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:35 PM Is Excessive Redo Generated during RMAN OPEN Database backup using backup sets as happens in case of HOT Backup ? If NOT , Why ? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: VIVEK_SHARMA INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ruth Gramolini INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RMAN backup - basic Qs
RMAN does no compression on any blocks with data. The only compression that occurs that blocks above the HWM are not included. No compression of data occurs, and in fact empty blocks can and are backed up by RMAN. RF Robert G. Freeman Technical Management Consultant TUSC - The Oracle Experts www.tusc.com 904.708.5076 Cell (it's everywhere that I am!) Author of several books you can find on Amazon.com! -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L No. Because Rman is not placing the tablespaces in a HOT BACKUP mode. Rman is simply reading the blocks, compressing them, and writing them to tape. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Is Excessive Redo Generated during RMAN OPEN Database backup using backup sets as happens in case of HOT Backup ? If NOT , Why ? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: VIVEK_SHARMA INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mercadante, Thomas F INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Freeman Robert - IL INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RMAN backup - basic Qs
Title: RE: RMAN backup - basic Qs what happens when a 'snapshot too old' situation occurs??...how can RMAN produce a valid backup in that case? many i'm missing something. -Original Message- From: Ruth Gramolini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RMAN backup - basic Qs Rman uses the same construct to get the right data in a hot backup as sqlplus, the SCN of the database. It reduces excess redo because you don't have to put the datafile in backup mode with a begin backup and take it out with and end backup. HTH, Ruth - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:35 PM Is Excessive Redo Generated during RMAN OPEN Database backup using backup sets as happens in case of HOT Backup ? If NOT , Why ? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: VIVEK_SHARMA INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ruth Gramolini INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RMAN backup - basic Qs
Maybe you could explain why you think ORA-1550 is related to backups? It isn't, but you have some misconception about it to clear up. Jared Chris Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/16/2003 01:19 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: RMAN backup - basic Qs what happens when a 'snapshot too old' situation occurs??...how can RMAN produce a valid backup in that case? many i'm missing something. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Rman uses the same construct to get the right data in a hot backup as sqlplus, the SCN of the database. It reduces excess redo because you don't have to put the datafile in backup mode with a begin backup and take it out with and end backup. HTH, Ruth - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:35 PM Is Excessive Redo Generated during RMAN OPEN Database backup using backup sets as happens in case of HOT Backup ? If NOT , Why ? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: VIVEK_SHARMA INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ruth Gramolini INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RMAN backup - basic Qs
To better answer the original question, my understanding of this difference is as under: Why do you put the tablespace in backup mode during normal hot backups without RMAN? This is to avoid backing up split blocks. Say, you have a database with a block size of 16K. And that a block is in the process of being backed up, with reads happening in chunks of say, 512 bytes. Assume a user transaction updates this block while the backup is in progress. This could result in an inconsistent version of the block being backed up, or what is called as split blocks. Putting a tablespace in backup mode, is primarily, a flag which tells Oracle to copy the entire block into the redo stream, and not just the changed vectors or deltas, which it would have done otherwise. This is so that, in case of recovery, the entire block can be read from the redo stream, and applied. Hence, this results in an increase in the redo size during normal hot backups. RMAN however, does not place the tablespaces in hot backup mode. They use the same read consistency mechanism used by the SQL statements. Hence, no excessive redo is generated. Hope this helps. Raj Original Message- Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Rman uses the same construct to get the right data in a hot backup as sqlplus, the SCN of the database. It reduces excess redo because you don't have to put the datafile in backup mode with a begin backup and take it out with and end backup. HTH, Ruth - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:35 PM Is Excessive Redo Generated during RMAN OPEN Database backup using backup sets as happens in case of HOT Backup ? If NOT , Why ? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: VIVEK_SHARMA INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: RMAN backup - basic Qs
does this make RMAN hot backups faster or slower than when backing up file in backup mode? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To better answer the original question, my understanding of this difference is as under: Why do you put the tablespace in backup mode during normal hot backups without RMAN? This is to avoid backing up split blocks. Say, you have a database with a block size of 16K. And that a block is in the process of being backed up, with reads happening in chunks of say, 512 bytes. Assume a user transaction updates this block while the backup is in progress. This could result in an inconsistent version of the block being backed up, or what is called as split blocks. Putting a tablespace in backup mode, is primarily, a flag which tells Oracle to copy the entire block into the redo stream, and not just the changed vectors or deltas, which it would have done otherwise. This is so that, in case of recovery, the entire block can be read from the redo stream, and applied. Hence, this results in an increase in the redo size during normal hot backups. RMAN however, does not place the tablespaces in hot backup mode. They use the same read consistency mechanism used by the SQL statements. Hence, no excessive redo is generated. Hope this helps. Raj Original Message- Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Rman uses the same construct to get the right data in a hot backup as sqlplus, the SCN of the database. It reduces excess redo because you don't have to put the datafile in backup mode with a begin backup and take it out with and end backup. HTH, Ruth - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:35 PM Is Excessive Redo Generated during RMAN OPEN Database backup using backup sets as happens in case of HOT Backup ? If NOT , Why ? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: VIVEK_SHARMA INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Maria Aurora VT de la Vega Oracle DBA Philippine Stock Exchange, Inc. If you don't risk anything, you risk even more. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Maria Aurora VT de la Vega INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RMAN backup - basic Qs
Maria - Definitely faster. Often hot backups can generate additional redo. Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L does this make RMAN hot backups faster or slower than when backing up file in backup mode? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To better answer the original question, my understanding of this difference is as under: Why do you put the tablespace in backup mode during normal hot backups without RMAN? This is to avoid backing up split blocks. Say, you have a database with a block size of 16K. And that a block is in the process of being backed up, with reads happening in chunks of say, 512 bytes. Assume a user transaction updates this block while the backup is in progress. This could result in an inconsistent version of the block being backed up, or what is called as split blocks. Putting a tablespace in backup mode, is primarily, a flag which tells Oracle to copy the entire block into the redo stream, and not just the changed vectors or deltas, which it would have done otherwise. This is so that, in case of recovery, the entire block can be read from the redo stream, and applied. Hence, this results in an increase in the redo size during normal hot backups. RMAN however, does not place the tablespaces in hot backup mode. They use the same read consistency mechanism used by the SQL statements. Hence, no excessive redo is generated. Hope this helps. Raj Original Message- Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Rman uses the same construct to get the right data in a hot backup as sqlplus, the SCN of the database. It reduces excess redo because you don't have to put the datafile in backup mode with a begin backup and take it out with and end backup. HTH, Ruth - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:35 PM Is Excessive Redo Generated during RMAN OPEN Database backup using backup sets as happens in case of HOT Backup ? If NOT , Why ? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: VIVEK_SHARMA INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Maria Aurora VT de la Vega Oracle DBA Philippine Stock Exchange, Inc. If you don't risk anything, you risk even more. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Maria Aurora VT de la Vega INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
