RE: RE: OCP 9i New Features for DBAs
Jared, I didn't make a detailed list but where I clearly noticed the inaccuracies was in the sample exam questions at the back of the book e.g. In which version of Oracle was hash partitioning introduced? A) 7 B) 8 C) 8i D) 9i Answer D. The real answer as we know is C. Which statement is true about the TIMESTAMP WITH TIME ZONE datatype? A) It represents absolute time. B) In addition to the date and time, you can store the time zone displacement (offset), which requires additional bytes of storage. C) In addition to the date and time, you can store the time zone displacement (offset), without consuming additional bytes of storage. D) You can use the NLS_TIMESTAMP_TZ_FORMAT initialisation parameter to specify the default timestamp format for retrieval. Answer C. The real answer is B. What this means is that you need to checkout the answers when marking yourself just to be on the safe side. I must point out that on a couple of occaisions the book was right when I initially thought it was wrong. Cheers, Chris -Original Message- Sent: 20 November 2003 18:35 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Chris, Care to share details on the inaccuracies? Jared Dunscombe, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/20/2003 02:44 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: RE: OCP 9i New Features for DBAs Ryan, I took my exam yesterday and passed!! I used the Oracle Press - OCP Oracle 9i Database: New Features for Administrators Exam Guide book. Even though there are a number of inaccuracies it was good preparation especially the sample exams it provides. Regarding 9.2 vs 9.0 content in the exam it all seemed to be 9.0. Hope all goes well when you take your exam. Cheers, Chris -Original Message- Sent: 12 November 2003 18:25 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L im going to take it soon. I was going to just read howard rogers guide then the otn one. you think that is enough? I just want to pass it and get my piece of paper. I already know the 9i stuff that is useful to me. From: DENNIS WILLIAMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/11/12 Wed PM 12:19:32 EST To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: OCP 9i New Features for DBAs Chris I'm betting on 9.0. For it to cover 9.2 would have meant that Oracle would have had to go back and recreate the test. And Oracle would have felt compelled to change the name of the test. However, I think it possible that any question whose answer would be true for 9.0 but false for 9.2 might be removed. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, I'm currently studying for this exam but can't find info to say whether the exam covers 9.2 or just 9.0. Anyone any clues Thanks, Chris Dunscombe -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Dunscombe, Chris INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want
RE: RE: OCP 9i New Features for DBAs
Ryan, I took my exam yesterday and passed!! I used the Oracle Press - OCP Oracle 9i Database: New Features for Administrators Exam Guide book. Even though there are a number of inaccuracies it was good preparation especially the sample exams it provides. Regarding 9.2 vs 9.0 content in the exam it all seemed to be 9.0. Hope all goes well when you take your exam. Cheers, Chris -Original Message- Sent: 12 November 2003 18:25 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L im going to take it soon. I was going to just read howard rogers guide then the otn one. you think that is enough? I just want to pass it and get my piece of paper. I already know the 9i stuff that is useful to me. From: DENNIS WILLIAMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/11/12 Wed PM 12:19:32 EST To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: OCP 9i New Features for DBAs Chris I'm betting on 9.0. For it to cover 9.2 would have meant that Oracle would have had to go back and recreate the test. And Oracle would have felt compelled to change the name of the test. However, I think it possible that any question whose answer would be true for 9.0 but false for 9.2 might be removed. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, I'm currently studying for this exam but can't find info to say whether the exam covers 9.2 or just 9.0. Anyone any clues Thanks, Chris Dunscombe -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Dunscombe, Chris INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Dunscombe, Chris INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RE: OCP 9i New Features for DBAs
Chris, Care to share details on the inaccuracies? Jared Dunscombe, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/20/2003 02:44 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: RE: OCP 9i New Features for DBAs Ryan, I took my exam yesterday and passed!! I used the Oracle Press - OCP Oracle 9i Database: New Features for Administrators Exam Guide book. Even though there are a number of inaccuracies it was good preparation especially the sample exams it provides. Regarding 9.2 vs 9.0 content in the exam it all seemed to be 9.0. Hope all goes well when you take your exam. Cheers, Chris -Original Message- Sent: 12 November 2003 18:25 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L im going to take it soon. I was going to just read howard rogers guide then the otn one. you think that is enough? I just want to pass it and get my piece of paper. I already know the 9i stuff that is useful to me. From: DENNIS WILLIAMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/11/12 Wed PM 12:19:32 EST To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: OCP 9i New Features for DBAs Chris I'm betting on 9.0. For it to cover 9.2 would have meant that Oracle would have had to go back and recreate the test. And Oracle would have felt compelled to change the name of the test. However, I think it possible that any question whose answer would be true for 9.0 but false for 9.2 might be removed. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, I'm currently studying for this exam but can't find info to say whether the exam covers 9.2 or just 9.0. Anyone any clues Thanks, Chris Dunscombe -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Dunscombe, Chris INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Dunscombe, Chris INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: RE: OCP 9i New Features for DBAs
Yeah, tell me, too! I'm about to teach a 5-day course for passing OCP in January. Don't mind if I post completely inaccurate answers to this list at this time, I just have to change my way of thinking for then ;) Tanel. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 8:35 PM Subject: RE: RE: OCP 9i New Features for DBAs Chris, Care to share details on the inaccuracies? Jared "Dunscombe, Chris" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/20/2003 02:44 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: RE: RE: OCP 9i New Features for DBAsRyan,I took my exam yesterday and passed!! I used the Oracle Press - OCP Oracle9i Database: New Features for Administrators Exam Guide book. Even thoughthere are a number of inaccuracies it was good preparation especially thesample exams it provides. Regarding 9.2 vs 9.0 content in the exam it allseemed to be 9.0.Hope all goes well when you take your exam.Cheers,Chris -Original Message-Sent: 12 November 2003 18:25To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-Lim going to take it soon. I was going to just read howard rogers guide thenthe otn one. you think that is enough? I just want to pass it and get my piece of paper.I already know the 9i stuff that is useful to me. From: DENNIS WILLIAMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/11/12 Wed PM 12:19:32 EST To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: OCP 9i New Features for DBAs Chris I'm betting on 9.0. For it to cover 9.2 would have meant that Oracle would have had to go back and recreate the test. And Oracle would havefelt compelled to change the name of the test. However, I think it possiblethat any question whose answer would be true for 9.0 but false for 9.2 might be removed. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, I'm currently studying for this exam but can't find info to say whetherthe exam covers 9.2 or just 9.0. Anyone any clues Thanks, Chris Dunscombe -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Dunscombe, Chris INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net-- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED]INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.comSan Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services-To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail messageto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and inthe message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You mayalso send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net-- Author: Dunscombe, ChrisINET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.comSan Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services-To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail messageto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and inthe message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L(o
Re: RE: OCP 9i New Features for DBAs
im going to take it soon. I was going to just read howard rogers guide then the otn one. you think that is enough? I just want to pass it and get my piece of paper. I already know the 9i stuff that is useful to me. From: DENNIS WILLIAMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/11/12 Wed PM 12:19:32 EST To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: OCP 9i New Features for DBAs Chris I'm betting on 9.0. For it to cover 9.2 would have meant that Oracle would have had to go back and recreate the test. And Oracle would have felt compelled to change the name of the test. However, I think it possible that any question whose answer would be true for 9.0 but false for 9.2 might be removed. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, I'm currently studying for this exam but can't find info to say whether the exam covers 9.2 or just 9.0. Anyone any clues Thanks, Chris Dunscombe -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Dunscombe, Chris INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: RE: OCP Architecture question
yeah thats what i figured... but having these certifications are good for my career. thanks. I figured it was a stupid question. From: Cary Millsap [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/08/15 Fri AM 01:14:23 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: OCP Architecture question With respect to evaluating answer number one, it's a bad question, because you have know way to know whether the context is supposed to be a) assume a fixed rollback segment size, but use fewer, larger extents; or b) make the rollback segment larger by using the same number of larger extents. In context (a), #1 is a bad answer. In context (b), it's a better answer, but it's still poor. The thing that really chaps me about stupid certification questions like this is that no answer among the choices listed is really the right thing for you to try to do, which is: shoutFIX THE QUERY THAT'S TAKING SO LONG TO RUN./shout In other words, make queries run quickly enough that they don't require multiple-hour-old undo blocks to produce read-consistent results. Jacking around with rollback segments is just a kludge that will produce results far inferior to what you can achieve by attacking the query problem at its root. Cary Millsap Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd. http://www.hotsos.com Upcoming events: - Hotsos Clinic http://www.hotsos.com/training/clinic101 101 in Sydney - Hotsos Symposium 2004 http://www.hotsos.com/events/symposium/2004 March 7-10 Dallas - Visit www.hotsos.com for schedule details... -Original Message- Tim Gorman Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 10:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L They all allow the RBS to be bigger. More space available for RBS roughly equals fewer ORA-01555, for most situations... on 8/14/03 6:24 PM, Ryan at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im using the self test software and here is a question... I dont like the answers. Please tell me if Im wrong. Which Three methods can be used to avoid snapshot too old errors. This is for the 8i test. 1. User larger extents 2. Increase MAXEXTENTS for existing rollback segments 3. Create rollback segments with higher optimal values 4. Create rollback segments iwth high minextents 5. Run long queries when transaction processing is high. Ruling out 5 is obvious. The test says its. 1,3,4 How does using large extents help this? What about a higher minextents value? Title: Re: OCP Architecture question With respect to evaluating answer number one, its a bad question, because you have know way to know whether the context is supposed to be a) assume a fixed rollback segment size, but use fewer, larger extents; or b) make the rollback segment larger by using the same number of larger extents. In context (a), #1 is a bad answer. In context (b), its a better answer, but its still poor. The thing that really chaps me about stupid certification questions like this is that no answer among the choices listed is really the right thing for you to try to do, which is: shoutFIX THE QUERY THATS TAKING SO LONG TO RUN./shout In other words, make queries run quickly enough that they dont require multiple-hour-old undo blocks to produce read-consistent results. Jacking around with rollback segments is just a kludge that will produce results far inferior to what you can achieve by attacking the query problem at its root. Cary Millsap Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd. http://www.hotsos.com Upcoming events: - Hotsos Clinic101 in Sydney - Hotsos Symposium 2004 March 710 Dallas - Visit www.hotsos.com for schedule details... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Gorman Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 10:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: OCP Architecture question They all allow the RBS to be bigger. More space available for RBS roughly equals fewer ORA-01555, for most situations... on 8/14/03 6:24 PM, Ryan at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im using the self test software and here is a question... I dont like the answers. Please tell me if Im wrong. Which Three methods can be used to avoid snapshot too old errors. This is for the 8i test. 1. User larger extents 2. Increase MAXEXTENTS for existing rollback segments 3. Create rollback segments with higher optimal values 4. Create rollback segments iwth high minextents 5. Run long queries when transaction processing is high. Ruling out 5 is obvious. The test says its. 1,3,4 How does using large extents help this? What about a higher minextents value?
Re: RE: OCP Architecture question
i have all of it or 8i. this question was in architecture. I havent looked at the sql and pl/sql stuff since the cert test for that was a blowoff. From: Ed Sherman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/08/15 Fri AM 09:00:43 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: OCP Architecture question Ryan, I will research the answer but I have an urgent question. Do you have SelfTest Software for the SQL and PL/SQL test or do you have the Architecure and Administration SelfTest Software? Thanks, Ed -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ryan Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: OCP Architecture question Im using the self test software and here is a question... I dont like the answers. Please tell me if Im wrong. Which Three methods can be used to avoid snapshot too old errors. This is for the 8i test. 1. User larger extents 2. Increase MAXEXTENTS for existing rollback segments 3. Create rollback segments with higher optimal values 4. Create rollback segments iwth high minextents 5. Run long queries when transaction processing is high. Ruling out 5 is obvious. The test says its. 1,3,4 How does using large extents help this? What about a higher minextents value? Ryan, I will research the answer but I have an urgentquestion. Do you have SelfTest Software for the SQL and PL/SQL test or do you have the Architecure and Administration SelfTest Software? Thanks, Ed -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of RyanSent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:24 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: OCP Architecture question Im using the self test software and here is a question... I dont like the answers. Please tell me if Im wrong. Which Three methods can be used to avoid snapshot too old errors. This is for the 8i test. 1. User larger extents 2. Increase MAXEXTENTS for existing rollback segments 3. Create rollback segments with higher optimal values 4. Create rollback segments iwth high minextents 5. Run long queries when transaction processing is high. Ruling out 5 is obvious. The test says its. 1,3,4 How does using large extents help this? What about a higher minextents value?
RE: RE: OCP Architecture question
Ryan I have found the actual OCP questions to be clearer. I think it is very hard to develop a good multiple choice exam. And these are tricky because the objective is to test more than simple memorization. You need to administer it to many people and find out which questions aren't clear or are easily misinterpreted. Oracle has the resources to do that, an individual author isn't. My claim is that if you have mastered the material enough to point out flaws with your preparation materials, dude you're ready to pass the exam. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 6:29 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L yeah thats what i figured... but having these certifications are good for my career. thanks. I figured it was a stupid question. From: Cary Millsap [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/08/15 Fri AM 01:14:23 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: OCP Architecture question With respect to evaluating answer number one, it's a bad question, because you have know way to know whether the context is supposed to be a) assume a fixed rollback segment size, but use fewer, larger extents; or b) make the rollback segment larger by using the same number of larger extents. In context (a), #1 is a bad answer. In context (b), it's a better answer, but it's still poor. The thing that really chaps me about stupid certification questions like this is that no answer among the choices listed is really the right thing for you to try to do, which is: shoutFIX THE QUERY THAT'S TAKING SO LONG TO RUN./shout In other words, make queries run quickly enough that they don't require multiple-hour-old undo blocks to produce read-consistent results. Jacking around with rollback segments is just a kludge that will produce results far inferior to what you can achieve by attacking the query problem at its root. Cary Millsap Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd. http://www.hotsos.com Upcoming events: - Hotsos Clinic http://www.hotsos.com/training/clinic101 101 in Sydney - Hotsos Symposium 2004 http://www.hotsos.com/events/symposium/2004 March 7-10 Dallas - Visit www.hotsos.com for schedule details... -Original Message- Tim Gorman Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 10:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L They all allow the RBS to be bigger. More space available for RBS roughly equals fewer ORA-01555, for most situations... on 8/14/03 6:24 PM, Ryan at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im using the self test software and here is a question... I dont like the answers. Please tell me if Im wrong. Which Three methods can be used to avoid snapshot too old errors. This is for the 8i test. 1. User larger extents 2. Increase MAXEXTENTS for existing rollback segments 3. Create rollback segments with higher optimal values 4. Create rollback segments iwth high minextents 5. Run long queries when transaction processing is high. Ruling out 5 is obvious. The test says its. 1,3,4 How does using large extents help this? What about a higher minextents value? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: RE: ocp discount
im registered with technet and when i signed up to take my tests with prometric? I was charged the same $125/test? From: April Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/05/27 Tue PM 01:04:44 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ocp discount yes they do. to get it, you register with technet. otn.oracle.com April Wells Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA Corporate Systems Amarillo Texas You will recognize your own path when you come upon it, because you will suddenly have all the energy and imagination you will ever need. ~ Jerry Gillies ~ -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I heard/read they give 20% discount on ocp exam fee if u are registered with technet . Can any body confirm that . How do I get that discount ? -ak The information contained in this communication, including attachments, is strictly confidential and for the intended use of the addressee only; it may also contain proprietary, price sensitive, or legally privileged information. Notice is hereby given that any disclosure, distribution, dissemination, use, or copying of the information by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited and may be illegal. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail, delete this communication, and destroy all copies. Corporate Systems, Inc. has taken reasonable precautions to ensure that any attachment to this e-mail has been swept for viruses. We specifically disclaim all liability and will accept no responsibility for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses and advise you to carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment. yes they do. to get it, you register with technet. otn.oracle.com April Wells Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA Corporate Systems Amarillo Texas You will recognize your own path when you come upon it, because you will suddenly have all the energy and imagination you will ever need. ~ Jerry Gillies ~ -Original Message-From: AK [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:45 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: ocp discount I heard/read they give 20% discount on ocp exam fee if u are registered with technet . Can any body confirm that . How do I get that discount ? -ak The information contained in this communication, including attachments, is strictly confidential and for the intended use of the addressee only; it may also contain proprietary, price sensitive, or legally privileged information. Notice is hereby given that any disclosure, distribution, dissemination, use, or copying of the information by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited and may be illegal. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail, delete this communication, and destroy all copies. Corporate Systems, Inc. has taken reasonable precautions to ensure that any attachment to this e-mail has been swept for viruses. We specifically disclaim all liability and will accept no responsibility for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses and advise you to carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment.
RE: RE: ocp discount
Title: RE: RE: ocp discount when you signed up with technet there should have been an announcement or a splash screen that gave you a discount code... you have to type that in when you register for the tests. Don't remember what the code was, off hand, but I remember it was delivered in one of those two manners. April Wells Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA Corporate Systems Amarillo Texas You will recognize your own path when you come upon it, because you will suddenly have all the energy and imagination you will ever need. ~ Jerry Gillies ~ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 12:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: ocp discount im registered with technet and when i signed up to take my tests with prometric? I was charged the same $125/test? From: April Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/05/27 Tue PM 01:04:44 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ocp discount yes they do. to get it, you register with technet. otn.oracle.com April Wells Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA Corporate Systems Amarillo Texas You will recognize your own path when you come upon it, because you will suddenly have all the energy and imagination you will ever need. ~ Jerry Gillies ~ -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I heard/read they give 20% discount on ocp exam fee if u are registered with technet . Can any body confirm that . How do I get that discount ? -ak The information contained in this communication, including attachments, is strictly confidential and for the intended use of the addressee only; it may also contain proprietary, price sensitive, or legally privileged information. Notice is hereby given that any disclosure, distribution, dissemination, use, or copying of the information by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited and may be illegal. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail, delete this communication, and destroy all copies. Corporate Systems, Inc. has taken reasonable precautions to ensure that any attachment to this e-mail has been swept for viruses. We specifically disclaim all liability and will accept no responsibility for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses and advise you to carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment. The information contained in this communication, including attachments, is strictly confidential and for the intended use of the addressee only; it may also contain proprietary, price sensitive, or legally privileged information. Notice is hereby given that any disclosure, distribution, dissemination, use, or copying of the information by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited and may be illegal. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail, delete this communication, and destroy all copies. Corporate Systems, Inc. has taken reasonable precautions to ensure that any attachment to this e-mail has been swept for viruses. We specifically disclaim all liability and will accept no responsibility for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses and advise you to carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment.
RE: RE: ocp discount
OTN20 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 10:01:44 -0800 when you signed up with technet there should have been an announcement or a splash screen that gave you a discount code... you have to type that in when you register for the tests. Don't remember what the code was, off hand, but I remember it was delivered in one of those two manners. April Wells Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA Corporate Systems Amarillo Texas You will recognize your own path when you come upon it, because you will suddenly have all the energy and imagination you will ever need. ~ Jerry Gillies ~ -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 12:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L im registered with technet and when i signed up to take my tests with prometric? I was charged the same $125/test? From: April Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/05/27 Tue PM 01:04:44 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ocp discount yes they do. to get it, you register with technet. otn.oracle.com April Wells Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA Corporate Systems Amarillo Texas You will recognize your own path when you come upon it, because you will suddenly have all the energy and imagination you will ever need. ~ Jerry Gillies ~ -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I heard/read they give 20% discount on ocp exam fee if u are registered with technet . Can any body confirm that . How do I get that discount ? -ak The information contained in this communication, including attachments, is strictly confidential and for the intended use of the addressee only; it may also contain proprietary, price sensitive, or legally privileged information. Notice is hereby given that any disclosure, distribution, dissemination, use, or copying of the information by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited and may be illegal. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail, delete this communication, and destroy all copies. Corporate Systems, Inc. has taken reasonable precautions to ensure that any attachment to this e-mail has been swept for viruses. We specifically disclaim all liability and will accept no responsibility for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses and advise you to carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment. The information contained in this communication, including attachments, is strictly confidential and for the intended use of the addressee only; it may also contain proprietary, price sensitive, or legally privileged information. Notice is hereby given that any disclosure, distribution, dissemination, use, or copying of the information by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited and may be illegal. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail, delete this communication, and destroy all copies. Corporate Systems, Inc. has taken reasonable precautions to ensure that any attachment to this e-mail has been swept for viruses. We specifically disclaim all liability and will accept no responsibility for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses and advise you to carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment. _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: M Rafiq INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RE: ocp discount
When you signed up for the exam, there was a question as to whether you had any discount codes. It is the same screen that asks if you are an Oracle employee. If you enter the code on that screen, then you receive the discount. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 12:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L im registered with technet and when i signed up to take my tests with prometric? I was charged the same $125/test? From: April Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/05/27 Tue PM 01:04:44 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ocp discount yes they do. to get it, you register with technet. otn.oracle.com April Wells Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA Corporate Systems Amarillo Texas You will recognize your own path when you come upon it, because you will suddenly have all the energy and imagination you will ever need. ~ Jerry Gillies ~ -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I heard/read they give 20% discount on ocp exam fee if u are registered with technet . Can any body confirm that . How do I get that discount ? -ak The information contained in this communication, including attachments, is strictly confidential and for the intended use of the addressee only; it may also contain proprietary, price sensitive, or legally privileged information. Notice is hereby given that any disclosure, distribution, dissemination, use, or copying of the information by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited and may be illegal. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail, delete this communication, and destroy all copies. Corporate Systems, Inc. has taken reasonable precautions to ensure that any attachment to this e-mail has been swept for viruses. We specifically disclaim all liability and will accept no responsibility for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses and advise you to carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: RE: ocp discount
Title: RE: RE: ocp discount is it OTN20 ? -ak - Original Message - From: April Wells To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:01 AM Subject: RE: RE: ocp discount when you signed up with technet there should have been an announcement or a splash screen that gave you a discount code... you have to type that in when you register for the tests. Don't remember what the code was, off hand, but I remember it was delivered in one of those two manners. April Wells Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA Corporate Systems Amarillo Texas You will recognize your own path when you come upon it, because you will suddenly have all the energy and imagination you will ever need. ~ Jerry Gillies ~ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 12:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: ocp discount im registered with technet and when i signed up to take my tests with prometric? I was charged the same $125/test? From: April Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/05/27 Tue PM 01:04:44 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ocp discount yes they do. to get it, you register with technet. otn.oracle.com April Wells Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA Corporate Systems Amarillo Texas You will recognize your own path when you come upon it, because you will suddenly have all the energy and imagination you will ever need. ~ Jerry Gillies ~ -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I heard/read they give 20% discount on ocp exam fee if u are registered with technet . Can any body confirm that . How do I get that discount ? -ak The information contained in this communication, including attachments, is strictly confidential and for the intended use of the addressee only; it may also contain proprietary, price sensitive, or legally privileged information. Notice is hereby given that any disclosure, distribution, dissemination, use, or copying of the information by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited and may be illegal. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail, delete this communication, and destroy all copies. Corporate Systems, Inc. has taken reasonable precautions to ensure that any attachment to this e-mail has been swept for viruses. We specifically disclaim all liability and will accept no responsibility for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses and advise you to carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment. The information contained in this communication, including attachments, is strictly confidential and for the intended use of the addressee only; it may also contain proprietary, price sensitive, or legally privileged information. Notice is hereby given that any disclosure, distribution, dissemination, use, or copying of the information by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited and may be illegal. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail, delete this communication, and destroy all copies. Corporate Systems, Inc. has taken reasonable precautions to ensure that any attachment to this e-mail has been swept for viruses. We specifically disclaim all liability and will accept no responsibility for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses and advise you to carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment.
Re: RE: ocp discount
Yes, that's it. Shamita Singh AK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is it OTN20 ? -ak - Original Message - From: April Wells To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:01 AM Subject: RE: RE: ocp discount when you signed up with technet there should have been an announcement or a splash screen that gave you a discount code... you have to type that in when you register for the tests. Don't remember what the code was, off hand, but I remember it was delivered in one of those two manners. April Wells Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA Corporate Systems Amarillo Texas You will recognize your own path when you come upon it, because you will suddenly have all the energy and imagination you will ever need. ~ Jerry Gillies ~ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 12:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: ocp discount im registered with technet and when i signed up to take my tests with prometric? I was charged the same $125/test? From: April Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/05/27 Tue PM 01:04:44 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ocp discountyes they do. to get it, you register with technet. otn.oracle.comApril Wells Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA Corporate Systems Amarillo Texas ! You will recognize your own path when you come upon it, because you will suddenly have all the energy and imagination you will ever need. ~ Jerry Gillies ~ -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LI heard/read they give 20% discount on ocp exam fee if u are registered with technet . Can any body confirm that . How do I get that discount ? -ak The information contained in t! his communication, including attachments, is strictly confidential and for the intended use of the addressee only; it may also contain proprietary, price sensitive, or legally privileged information. Notice is hereby given that any disclosure, distribution, dissemination, use, or copying of the information by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited and may be illegal. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail, delete this communication, and destroy all copies.Corporate Systems, Inc. has taken reasonable precautions to ensure that any attachment to this e-mail has been swept for viruses. We specifically! disclaim all liability and will accept no responsibility for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses and advise you to carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment. The information contained in this communication, including attachments, is strictly confidential and for the intended use of the addressee only; it may also contain proprietary, price sensitive, or legally privileged information. Notice is hereby given that any disclosure, distribution, dissemination, use, or copying of the information by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited and may be illegal. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail, delete this communication, and destroy all copies. Corporate Systems, Inc. has taken reasonable precautions to ensure that any attachment to this e-mail has been swept for viruses. We specifically disclaim all liability and will accept no responsibility for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses and advise you to carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment. Shamita Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
RE: Re: OCP
Well said Kirti - Darell, you wil fail every OCP exam you take with 50%. You need a minimum of about 65% and up to 75% on others (don't know why they vary so much) John -Original Message- Sent: 12 March 2003 13:59 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L You only need to get 50% of the questions right on the upgrade tests. Why not set the goal to it get 100% right? ;) - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 7:29 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I didnt realize that you might be able to do the 8i one without handing $2k to oracle for their class and taking the upgrade exams is a better path. anyone know if this is possible? You only need to get 50% of the questions right on the upgrade tests. From: Darrell Landrum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/03/12 Wed AM 07:48:43 EST To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OCP Jay, One thing to consider is that just starting the 9i track and if you've not taken any OCP exams prior to September of 2002, there is a requirement to attend one 9i training class in addition to the exams. However (you'll probably need to call Oracle to get a solid answer to this), if you can still take the 8i track with no classroom training and then take the 9i upgrade exam (if they allow this with no classroom training), this would be your least expensive route since the classes are quite expensive. The down side is a total of six exams instead of just four. If your company is willing to send you to one of the 9i classes, I would take advantage of that and just go for the 9i track. Good luck! Darrell -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Deshpande, Kirti INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Hallas, John, Tech Dev INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re: OCP
John, Just to clarify, that wasn't me that said you only need to get 50 % correct on the 9i upgrade exam. This thread looks like it, but my message follows: From: Darrell Landrum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Darrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/13/03 03:23AM Well said Kirti - Darell, you wil fail every OCP exam you take with 50%. You need a minimum of about 65% and up to 75% on others (don't know why they vary so much) John -Original Message- Sent: 12 March 2003 13:59 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L You only need to get 50% of the questions right on the upgrade tests. Why not set the goal to it get 100% right? ;) - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 7:29 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I didnt realize that you might be able to do the 8i one without handing $2k to oracle for their class and taking the upgrade exams is a better path. anyone know if this is possible? You only need to get 50% of the questions right on the upgrade tests. From: Darrell Landrum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/03/12 Wed AM 07:48:43 EST To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OCP Jay, One thing to consider is that just starting the 9i track and if you've not taken any OCP exams prior to September of 2002, there is a requirement to attend one 9i training class in addition to the exams. However (you'll probably need to call Oracle to get a solid answer to this), if you can still take the 8i track with no classroom training and then take the 9i upgrade exam (if they allow this with no classroom training), this would be your least expensive route since the classes are quite expensive. The down side is a total of six exams instead of just four. If your company is willing to send you to one of the 9i classes, I would take advantage of that and just go for the 9i track. Good luck! Darrell -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Deshpande, Kirti INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Hallas, John, Tech Dev INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Darrell Landrum INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Re: OCP
I didnt realize that you might be able to do the 8i one without handing $2k to oracle for their class and taking the upgrade exams is a better path. anyone know if this is possible? You only need to get 50% of the questions right on the upgrade tests. From: Darrell Landrum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/03/12 Wed AM 07:48:43 EST To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OCP Jay, One thing to consider is that just starting the 9i track and if you've not taken any OCP exams prior to September of 2002, there is a requirement to attend one 9i training class in addition to the exams. However (you'll probably need to call Oracle to get a solid answer to this), if you can still take the 8i track with no classroom training and then take the 9i upgrade exam (if they allow this with no classroom training), this would be your least expensive route since the classes are quite expensive. The down side is a total of six exams instead of just four. If your company is willing to send you to one of the 9i classes, I would take advantage of that and just go for the 9i track. Good luck! Darrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/12/03 04:09AM Dear All, I plan to take up Oracle Certification (DBA) very soon. Iam quite confused about the tracks and the exams. Is it better to pass OCP 8i and then upgrade to 9i or go straight for the 9i OCP DBA title, with regard to the complexities of the exam. Thanks in advance for all your help and guidance which would be really helpful. Best Regards Jai -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Darrell Landrum INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re: OCP
You only need to get 50% of the questions right on the upgrade tests. Why not set the goal to it get 100% right? ;) - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 7:29 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I didnt realize that you might be able to do the 8i one without handing $2k to oracle for their class and taking the upgrade exams is a better path. anyone know if this is possible? You only need to get 50% of the questions right on the upgrade tests. From: Darrell Landrum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/03/12 Wed AM 07:48:43 EST To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OCP Jay, One thing to consider is that just starting the 9i track and if you've not taken any OCP exams prior to September of 2002, there is a requirement to attend one 9i training class in addition to the exams. However (you'll probably need to call Oracle to get a solid answer to this), if you can still take the 8i track with no classroom training and then take the 9i upgrade exam (if they allow this with no classroom training), this would be your least expensive route since the classes are quite expensive. The down side is a total of six exams instead of just four. If your company is willing to send you to one of the 9i classes, I would take advantage of that and just go for the 9i track. Good luck! Darrell -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Deshpande, Kirti INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re: OCP
Title: RE: Re: OCP So how can you check the status of your 8i OCP so you can sign up for the 9i OCP upgrade exam? -Original Message- From: Deshpande, Kirti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Re: OCP You only need to get 50% of the questions right on the upgrade tests. Why not set the goal to it get 100% right? ;) - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 7:29 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I didnt realize that you might be able to do the 8i one without handing $2k to oracle for their class and taking the upgrade exams is a better path. anyone know if this is possible? You only need to get 50% of the questions right on the upgrade tests. From: Darrell Landrum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/03/12 Wed AM 07:48:43 EST To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OCP Jay, One thing to consider is that just starting the 9i track and if you've not taken any OCP exams prior to September of 2002, there is a requirement to attend one 9i training class in addition to the exams. However (you'll probably need to call Oracle to get a solid answer to this), if you can still take the 8i track with no classroom training and then take the 9i upgrade exam (if they allow this with no classroom training), this would be your least expensive route since the classes are quite expensive. The down side is a total of six exams instead of just four. If your company is willing to send you to one of the 9i classes, I would take advantage of that and just go for the 9i track. Good luck! Darrell -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Deshpande, Kirti INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re: OCP
Paula, When you completed the OCP exams, you were given a report card that was stamped and sealed by the test provider with a passed notation. After you have completed all of the requirements for the particular track you were taking you should receive a certificate and card from the Oracle Corp. The report from the testing orginization had a disclamer that you should safe guard the report a proof of completing a track. Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/12/03 09:39AM So how can you check the status of your 8i OCP so you can sign up for the 9i OCP upgrade exam? -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L You only need to get 50% of the questions right on the upgrade tests. Why not set the goal to it get 100% right? ;) - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 7:29 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I didnt realize that you might be able to do the 8i one without handing $2k to oracle for their class and taking the upgrade exams is a better path. anyone know if this is possible? You only need to get 50% of the questions right on the upgrade tests. From: Darrell Landrum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/03/12 Wed AM 07:48:43 EST To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OCP Jay, One thing to consider is that just starting the 9i track and if you've not taken any OCP exams prior to September of 2002, there is a requirement to attend one 9i training class in addition to the exams. However (you'll probably need to call Oracle to get a solid answer to this), if you can still take the 8i track with no classroom training and then take the 9i upgrade exam (if they allow this with no classroom training), this would be your least expensive route since the classes are quite expensive. The down side is a total of six exams instead of just four. If your company is willing to send you to one of the 9i classes, I would take advantage of that and just go for the 9i track. Good luck! Darrell -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Deshpande, Kirti INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re: OCP
50% ?? You're joshing me! Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 7:29 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I didnt realize that you might be able to do the 8i one without handing $2k to oracle for their class and taking the upgrade exams is a better path. anyone know if this is possible? You only need to get 50% of the questions right on the upgrade tests. From: Darrell Landrum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/03/12 Wed AM 07:48:43 EST To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OCP Jay, One thing to consider is that just starting the 9i track and if you've not taken any OCP exams prior to September of 2002, there is a requirement to attend one 9i training class in addition to the exams. However (you'll probably need to call Oracle to get a solid answer to this), if you can still take the 8i track with no classroom training and then take the 9i upgrade exam (if they allow this with no classroom training), this would be your least expensive route since the classes are quite expensive. The down side is a total of six exams instead of just four. If your company is willing to send you to one of the 9i classes, I would take advantage of that and just go for the 9i track. Good luck! Darrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/12/03 04:09AM Dear All, I plan to take up Oracle Certification (DBA) very soon. Iam quite confused about the tracks and the exams. Is it better to pass OCP 8i and then upgrade to 9i or go straight for the 9i OCP DBA title, with regard to the complexities of the exam. Thanks in advance for all your help and guidance which would be really helpful. Best Regards Jai -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Darrell Landrum INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re: OCP
Title: Message I think there are a couple of ways you can do this. Firstly, if you ring Prometric and try to register for the 9iUpgrade exam. IIRC, they'll ask you for your SSN and their system should reject you if you don't have the necessary pre-req certification. Secondly, you can send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. From what it says on http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/faq/index.html?faq8.html, we're attempting to build an automated way of doing this. Problem is of course that all the records are actually held by Prometric as an independent body, so there may be legal issues with Oracle having a way to access that. As for the 50% passing score, sorry that's just wrong. As you can see here (http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/index.html?dba9i_exam.html), the passing score for that exam is 70%. Pete "Controlling developers is like herding cats." Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook "Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!" Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 6:39 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Re: OCP So how can you check the status of your 8i OCP so you can sign up for the 9i OCP upgrade exam? -Original Message- From: Deshpande, Kirti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Re: OCP You only need to get 50% of the questions right on the upgrade tests. Why not set the goal to it get 100% right? ;) - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 7:29 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I didnt realize that you might be able to do the 8i one without handing $2k to oracle for their class and taking the upgrade exams is a better path. anyone know if this is possible? You only need to get 50% of the questions right on the upgrade tests. From: "Darrell Landrum" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/03/12 Wed AM 07:48:43 EST To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OCP Jay, One thing to consider is that just starting the 9i track and if you've not taken any OCP exams prior to September of 2002, there is a requirement to attend one 9i training class in addition to the exams. However (you'll probably need to call Oracle to get a solid answer to this), if you can still take the 8i track with no classroom training and then take the 9i upgrade exam (if they allow this with no classroom training), this would be your least expensive route since the classes are quite expensive. The down side is a total of six exams instead of just four. If your company is willing to send you to one of the 9i classes, I would take advantage of that and just go for the 9i track. Good luck! Darrell -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Deshpande, Kirti INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re: OCP
Pete - You've made my day. We had some education money to use or lose last fall, and the 9i New Features class was offered locally. I thought I might be able to take the upgrade class even though I hadn't completed the 8i route. December is not a good month for finding study time, so I shelved that idea. I'm glad I didn't waste time cramming for a test I might not have been qualified for. The 50% comment jolted me because I could probably have made that without cramming. Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:40 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I think there are a couple of ways you can do this. Firstly, if you ring Prometric and try to register for the 9i Upgrade exam. IIRC, they'll ask you for your SSN and their system should reject you if you don't have the necessary pre-req certification. Secondly, you can send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] . From what it says on http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/faq/index.html?faq8.html http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/faq/index.html?faq8.html , we're attempting to build an automated way of doing this. Problem is of course that all the records are actually held by Prometric as an independent body, so there may be legal issues with Oracle having a way to access that. As for the 50% passing score, sorry that's just wrong. As you can see here ( http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/index.html?dba9i_exam.html http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/index.html?dba9i_exam.html ), the passing score for that exam is 70%. Pete?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office / Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 6:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So how can you check the status of your 8i OCP so you can sign up for the 9i OCP upgrade exam? -Original Message- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L You only need to get 50% of the questions right on the upgrade tests. Why not set the goal to it get 100% right? ;) - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 7:29 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I didnt realize that you might be able to do the 8i one without handing $2k to oracle for their class and taking the upgrade exams is a better path. anyone know if this is possible? You only need to get 50% of the questions right on the upgrade tests. From: Darrell Landrum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/03/12 Wed AM 07:48:43 EST To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OCP Jay, One thing to consider is that just starting the 9i track and if you've not taken any OCP exams prior to September of 2002, there is a requirement to attend one 9i training class in addition to the exams. However (you'll probably need to call Oracle to get a solid answer to this), if you can still take the 8i track with no classroom training and then take the 9i upgrade exam (if they allow this with no classroom training), this would be your least expensive route since the classes are quite expensive. The down side is a total of six exams instead of just four. If your company is willing to send you to one of the 9i classes, I would take advantage of that and just go for the 9i track. Good luck! Darrell -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Deshpande, Kirti INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send
RE: Re: OCP
I think there are a couple of ways you can do this. Firstly, if you ring Prometric and try to register for the 9i Upgrade exam. IIRC, they'll ask you for your SSN and their system should reject you if you don't have the necessary pre-req certification. Secondly, you can send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] . From what it says on http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/faq/index.html?faq8.html http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/faq/index.html?faq8html , we're attempting to build an automated way of doing this. Problem is of course that all the records are actually held by Prometric as an independent body, so there may be legal issues with Oracle having a way to access that. As for the 50% passing score, sorry that's just wrong. As you can see here (http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/index.html?dba9i_exam.html http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/index.html?dba9i_exam.html ), the passing score for that exam is 70%. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 6:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So how can you check the status of your 8i OCP so you can sign up for the 9i OCP upgrade exam? -Original Message- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L You only need to get 50% of the questions right on the upgrade tests. Why not set the goal to it get 100% right? ;) - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 7:29 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I didnt realize that you might be able to do the 8i one without handing $2k to oracle for their class and taking the upgrade exams is a better path. anyone know if this is possible? You only need to get 50% of the questions right on the upgrade tests. From: Darrell Landrum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/03/12 Wed AM 07:48:43 EST To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OCP Jay, One thing to consider is that just starting the 9i track and if you've not taken any OCP exams prior to September of 2002, there is a requirement to attend one 9i training class in addition to the exams. However (you'll probably need to call Oracle to get a solid answer to this), if you can still take the 8i track with no classroom training and then take the 9i upgrade exam (if they allow this with no classroom training), this would be your least expensive route since the classes are quite expensive. The down side is a total of six exams instead of just four. If your company is willing to send you to one of the 9i classes, I would take advantage of that and just go for the 9i track. Good luck! Darrell -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Deshpande, Kirti INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re: OCP
You only need to get 50% of the questions right on the upgrade tests. Why not set the goal to it get 100% right? ;) - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 7:29 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I didnt realize that you might be able to do the 8i one without handing $2k to oracle for their class and taking the upgrade exams is a better path. anyone know if this is possible? You only need to get 50% of the questions right on the upgrade tests. From: Darrell Landrum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/03/12 Wed AM 07:48:43 EST To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OCP Jay, One thing to consider is that just starting the 9i track and if you've not taken any OCP exams prior to September of 2002, there is a requirement to attend one 9i training class in addition to the exams. However (you'll probably need to call Oracle to get a solid answer to this), if you can still take the 8i track with no classroom training and then take the 9i upgrade exam (if they allow this with no classroom training), this would be your least expensive route since the classes are quite expensive. The down side is a total of six exams instead of just four. If your company is willing to send you to one of the 9i classes, I would take advantage of that and just go for the 9i track. Good luck! Darrell -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Deshpande, Kirti INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RE: OCP newsletter, latest changes...
Here in Canada I was told you can do it if you have a letter from your employer stating that they are unable to provide you with the training you require to stay up-to-date in your field. I asked my previous manager if he could write me such a letter, he just grinned and said: well, it should be our responsibility to provide you with the training you require to stay up to date in your field... and no letter. Since then I spoke with a contractor here, who said that if I keep requesting for training and never get it, I can keep the e-mails as evidence and submit them along with my income tax forms. I'll give it a try, though I give it a 5% chance of success. The irony of all this is that I work for the Federal government here. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 6:22 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L In the US one can put training on their income tax forms, but the IRS will disallow it. Dick Goulet One of the disallowed! Reply Separator Author: Boivin; Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 6/17/2002 12:05 PM I think this change will up the ante for corporations that do not send their staff to official training courses or expect that staff will keep up to date in their certifications on their own time and money, a $50 book out of one's own pocket doesn't compare with a $2000 course. Employees in Canada can't deduct training etc. before income taxes, only consultants can. I don't know if that's the case in the U.S. or the UK as well. Maybe more people will become consultants, but then again there is a bit of a crunch in the IT job sector right now. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 4:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Soon we will be required as a part of the hiring process to make a visit to Oracle for certification, medical check, and brain wash! Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company -Original Message- Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 3:18 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I couldn't believe that, Ron, so I had to check it out myself. You're right: http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/index.html?dba9i_ocmpract.html http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/index.html?dba9i_ocmpract.htm l Oracle Certified Master DBA Practicum Exam An OCM candidate must successfully pass the Oracle Certified Master DBA practicum after having completed the required OU advanced learning requirements. The practicum will be conducted at an Oracle University facility in each global region. The location for Americas is Chicago, IL. The cost for the practicum is $2000.00 US Dollars. Locations for EMEA and APAC have not yet been determined. The practicum is a two-day, hands-on performance based event where candidates will be presented with numerous scenarios that will require them to diagnose and solve highly technical Oracle server related problems. Each candidate will have their own dedicated LINUX server that is configured with the Oracle server software, Oracle Enterprise Manager, and the Oracle documentation set. Topics on the practicum include core database technology, database configuration, replication, partitioning, parallel operations, diagnostics, troubleshooting, performance tuning, and backup and recovery. Candidates may also encounter ad hoc database problems that they will have to resolve, therefore simulating real-world database operations. Oracle tools such as Oracle Enterprise Manager, Data Guard, Flashback, Recovery Manager, and Oracle documentation will be available to candidates during the practicum. Candidates will be scored on their ability to successfully complete the scenarios and if they obtain a passing score they will be awarded the OCM certification. Based upon a candidate's performance during the practicum, they may not be awarded the OCM certification if they do not achieve the preset passing score. I think that the price tag is a way too high to start with, but the thing that really blew me away is that the test is on Linux only??? It's hard for me to believe that they won't let you take it on your platform of choice, especially for the hard-core-Windows guys out there. And I have to use Enterprise Manager? Give me a break - and a SQL prompt. Brian -- | Brian McGraw /* DBA */ Infinity Insurance | | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- -Original Message- Rogers Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Did you check out the prices for the OCM? Two classes plus $2,000 for the exam the last time I
RE: RE: OCP newsletter, latest changes...
Hey folks. I just saw this thread this morning. What a crime. It seems that the only way Oracle can generate sufficient streams of revenue is to punish those that popularize their software for the market. As an Oracle DBA and IT Manager, I will not pay for any of my staff to obtain a certification that requires such a ridiculous configuration. It just shows that Oracle is trying to generate as much revenue as possible. Given the state of today's economy, I don't think Oracle should be alienating their customer/PR base. As far as the tax issue: If training is not provided by your employer, and is required for your job, it can be deducted as business expense on form 2106. For education, the feds allow for educational expenses and some states also allow for it. Thank You Stephen P. Karniotis Product Architect Compuware Corporation Direct: (248) 865-4350 Mobile: (248) 408-2918 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web:www.compuware.com -Original Message- Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 5:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: RE: OCP newsletter, latest changes... I know, I have that experience myself. What is the point in putting in the training, then? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 5:22 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re:RE: OCP newsletter, latest changes... In the US one can put training on their income tax forms, but the IRS will disallow it. Dick Goulet One of the disallowed! Reply Separator Author: Boivin; Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 6/17/2002 12:05 PM I think this change will up the ante for corporations that do not send their staff to official training courses or expect that staff will keep up to date in their certifications on their own time and money, a $50 book out of one's own pocket doesn't compare with a $2000 course. Employees in Canada can't deduct training etc. before income taxes, only consultants can. I don't know if that's the case in the U.S. or the UK as well. Maybe more people will become consultants, but then again there is a bit of a crunch in the IT job sector right now. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 4:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Soon we will be required as a part of the hiring process to make a visit to Oracle for certification, medical check, and brain wash! Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company -Original Message- Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 3:18 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I couldn't believe that, Ron, so I had to check it out myself. You're right: http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/index.html?dba9i _ocmpract.html http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/index.html?dba9 i_ocmpract.htm l Oracle Certified Master DBA Practicum Exam An OCM candidate must successfully pass the Oracle Certified Master DBA practicum after having completed the required OU advanced learning requirements. The practicum will be conducted at an Oracle University facility in each global region. The location for Americas is Chicago, IL. The cost for the practicum is $2000.00 US Dollars. Locations for EMEA and APAC have not yet been determined. The practicum is a two-day, hands-on performance based event where candidates will be presented with numerous scenarios that will require them to diagnose and solve highly technical Oracle server related problems. Each candidate will have their own dedicated LINUX server that is configured with the Oracle server software, Oracle Enterprise Manager, and the Oracle documentation set. Topics on the practicum include core database technology, database configuration, replication, partitioning, parallel operations, diagnostics, troubleshooting, performance tuning, and backup and recovery. Candidates may also encounter ad hoc database problems that they will have to resolve, therefore simulating real-world database operations. Oracle tools such as Oracle Enterprise Manager, Data Guard, Flashback, Recovery Manager, and Oracle documentation will be available to candidates during the practicum. Candidates will be scored on their ability to successfully complete the scenarios and if they obtain a passing score they will be awarded the OCM certification. Based upon a candidate's performance during the practicum, they may not be awarded the OCM certification if they do not achieve the preset passing score. I think that the price tag is a way too high to start with, but the thing that really blew me away is that the test is on Linux only??? It's
Re: RE: OCP newsletter, latest changes...
This new certification test sounds similar to what Cisco does, and Cisco certification is highly regarded among networking folks, as you must know what you're doing to obtain certification. As I recall, it takes a couple of days to get through it all. Anyone know what the Cisco tests cost? Jared On Tuesday 18 June 2002 06:18, Karniotis, Stephen wrote: Hey folks. I just saw this thread this morning. What a crime. It seems that the only way Oracle can generate sufficient streams of revenue is to punish those that popularize their software for the market. As an Oracle DBA and IT Manager, I will not pay for any of my staff to obtain a certification that requires such a ridiculous configuration. It just shows that Oracle is trying to generate as much revenue as possible. Given the state of today's economy, I don't think Oracle should be alienating their customer/PR base. As far as the tax issue: If training is not provided by your employer, and is required for your job, it can be deducted as business expense on form 2106. For education, the feds allow for educational expenses and some states also allow for it. Thank You Stephen P. Karniotis Product Architect Compuware Corporation Direct: (248) 865-4350 Mobile: (248) 408-2918 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.compuware.com -Original Message- Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 5:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: RE: OCP newsletter, latest changes... I know, I have that experience myself. What is the point in putting in the training, then? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 5:22 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re:RE: OCP newsletter, latest changes... In the US one can put training on their income tax forms, but the IRS will disallow it. Dick Goulet One of the disallowed! Reply Separator Author: Boivin; Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 6/17/2002 12:05 PM I think this change will up the ante for corporations that do not send their staff to official training courses or expect that staff will keep up to date in their certifications on their own time and money, a $50 book out of one's own pocket doesn't compare with a $2000 course. Employees in Canada can't deduct training etc. before income taxes, only consultants can. I don't know if that's the case in the U.S. or the UK as well. Maybe more people will become consultants, but then again there is a bit of a crunch in the IT job sector right now. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 4:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Soon we will be required as a part of the hiring process to make a visit to Oracle for certification, medical check, and brain wash! Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company -Original Message- Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 3:18 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I couldn't believe that, Ron, so I had to check it out myself. You're right: http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/index.html?dba9i _ocmpract.html http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/index.html?dba9 i_ocmpract.htm l Oracle Certified Master DBA Practicum Exam An OCM candidate must successfully pass the Oracle Certified Master DBA practicum after having completed the required OU advanced learning requirements. The practicum will be conducted at an Oracle University facility in each global region. The location for Americas is Chicago, IL. The cost for the practicum is $2000.00 US Dollars. Locations for EMEA and APAC have not yet been determined. The practicum is a two-day, hands-on performance based event where candidates will be presented with numerous scenarios that will require them to diagnose and solve highly technical Oracle server related problems. Each candidate will have their own dedicated LINUX server that is configured with the Oracle server software, Oracle Enterprise Manager, and the Oracle documentation set. Topics on the practicum include core database technology, database configuration, replication, partitioning, parallel operations, diagnostics, troubleshooting, performance tuning, and backup and recovery. Candidates may also encounter ad hoc database problems that they will have to resolve, therefore simulating real-world database operations. Oracle tools such as Oracle Enterprise Manager, Data Guard, Flashback, Recovery Manager, and Oracle documentation will be available to candidates during the practicum. Candidates will be scored
