RE: Re[2]: Oracle vs. DB2
In the immortal words of Moe Syzlak: Whaaa?!? I need to ask for more money! Or was the implication that I have expensive tastes? ;) Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:44 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re[2]: Oracle vs. DB2 Oracle people are expensive -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re[2]: Oracle vs DB2
I too would love to see somebody give Oracle a reality check in regards to the prices of their software, but as much as I hate to say it, I just don't see it happening. Why? Because the ONLY reality check that Oracle is going to actually LISTEN to and do something about would be for people to stop using/buying their products. And I just don't see that happening either. In the enterprise data market, Oracle has the best product available (IMHO), and I think most people, and especially including Oracle Corp., know this. Based on that information alone, I just don't see them backing down their prices when, as much as people hate paying, they still will, because it's the best. =( -::YEX::- ))) -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, 25 April, 2001 12:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Tim, Thanks for the copy of the marketing speil, I had not heard that one before. But, I'll take great exception to the claim that: It would make sense to select a database product based on price alone if database products were the predominant part of the overall information technology expenditures But this is simply not the case. Software costs (including upgrades and technical support) typically represent less than 15% of an IT budget and are small compared to the overall costs of hardware, operations and maintenance, consulting and training. I don't know about the remainder of you, but the cost of Oracle's software is quickly eclipsing the cost of everything else. Hence the beginnings of this post, which I agree with. In our company our yearly Oracle Support Agreement renewal is the #3 cost item and the cost of a new Oracle license exceeds the cost of the server it's going on. Someone PLEASE give these guys a reality check or else a good swift kick in the pants!! Dick Goulet -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Yexley Robert D SSgt AFIT/SCA INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re[2]: Oracle vs DB2
I guess they can make their money by targeting the high end and having a few high paying customers, or be more reasonable and have a broader base. I get the feeling that Larry's ego (psychoanalysis from a distance, ain't it wonderful) would drive him to both the $ and the broad base. If you are competing against Bill Gates, you not only need the money, but also the exposure. Everyone knows Windows, you can't have just the elite knowing about Oracle. So where does that put us in 6 months? Henry -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 2:05 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I too would love to see somebody give Oracle a reality check in regards to the prices of their software, but as much as I hate to say it, I just don't see it happening. Why? Because the ONLY reality check that Oracle is going to actually LISTEN to and do something about would be for people to stop using/buying their products. And I just don't see that happening either. In the enterprise data market, Oracle has the best product available (IMHO), and I think most people, and especially including Oracle Corp., know this. Based on that information alone, I just don't see them backing down their prices when, as much as people hate paying, they still will, because it's the best. =( -::YEX::- ))) -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, 25 April, 2001 12:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Tim, Thanks for the copy of the marketing speil, I had not heard that one before. But, I'll take great exception to the claim that: It would make sense to select a database product based on price alone if database products were the predominant part of the overall information technology expenditures But this is simply not the case. Software costs (including upgrades and technical support) typically represent less than 15% of an IT budget and are small compared to the overall costs of hardware, operations and maintenance, consulting and training. I don't know about the remainder of you, but the cost of Oracle's software is quickly eclipsing the cost of everything else. Hence the beginnings of this post, which I agree with. In our company our yearly Oracle Support Agreement renewal is the #3 cost item and the cost of a new Oracle license exceeds the cost of the server it's going on. Someone PLEASE give these guys a reality check or else a good swift kick in the pants!! Dick Goulet -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Yexley Robert D SSgt AFIT/SCA INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Henry Poras INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Re[2]:Oracle vs DB2
At 01:35 PM 4/24/01 -0400, you wrote: Dennis, OK, but your sales critter is DEAD wrong. We bought a Standard edition from Yep. Based on your statement, I checked with the critter. He says yes, you can do it with Standard version. Which costs (ballpark) $33K Cdn for the unlimited user version, vs $6K for DB2. Closer. Close enough that if you already had a large investment in Oracle, you'd probably grit your teeth and pay it. The remaining issue as far as I'm concerned is the fact of having to pay Oracle more $$ if I replace my server at any time, even if only with one with a faster cpu. Dennis Taylor Beware of false economies. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Dennis Taylor INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
