RE: Re[2]: Oracle vs Mysql
I was using Lattice-C on x286. Igor Neyman, OCP DBA [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carel-Jan Engel Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 5:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Re[2]: Oracle vs Mysql At 03:29 PM 1/20/2004, you wrote: I do indeed. Rumor was that rpt/rpf was written by Larry himself. Now I understand! I once applied for a job at Oracle, and got asked: What do you think about RPT/RPF. My answer: Probably som hobby-project of one or another developer, which, after demonstration to his boss, was turned into a product. That was a disloyal remark, even in Holland, and I wasn't hired. Anyone used HLI, with Lattice-C? Regards, Carel-Jan === If you think education is expensive, try ignorance. (Derek Bok) ===
RE: Re[2]: Oracle vs Mysql
yup Dick GouletSenior Oracle DBAOracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message-From: Carel-Jan Engel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 5:29 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Re: Re[2]: Oracle vs MysqlAt 03:29 PM 1/20/2004, you wrote: I do indeed. Rumor was that rpt/rpf was written by Larry himself.Now I understand! I once applied for a job at Oracle, and got asked: What do you think about RPT/RPF. My answer: Probably som hobby-project of one or another developer, which, after demonstration to his boss, was turned into a product. That was a disloyal remark, even in Holland, and I wasn't hired. Anyone used HLI, with Lattice-C? Regards, Carel-Jan===If you think education is expensive, try ignorance. (Derek Bok)===
Re: Re[2]: Oracle vs Mysql
On 2004.01.19 23:39, Jonathan Gennick wrote: I used to use a SQL Module compiler. Not with Oracle though. It's rare for me to run into someone else who likes that approach. Actually, it's rare for me to encounter someone who's even heard of it... Jonathan, I've been around for a long time. I've seen things like DataLens for Lotus123, SQL*Calc, Easy*SQL, then there was an Oracle version of then popular DB2 tool, which looked like an IBM 3874 terminal on top of VT320, SQL*Graph does deserve a honorable mention, then there was PRO*Pascal, and a myriad of other exotic stuff that I cannot remember now. I was laughing when I saw UNDO TABLESPACES in 9i. What exactly is a difference between a specialized undo tablespace and a file that was just laying around and couldn't be touched and was named Before Image file or BI file. Logical names (another concept that many youngsters are probably unfamiliar with) were usually VAX$BI or ORACLE$BI. Unfortunately, discussions like that are not part of OCP curriculum. The file is not really part of the database, you can't create any objects in it, it manages itself and it stores the old values of oracle blocks, in case rollback is needed. I could be talking about BI file or UNDO TABLESPACE, there is no difference whatsoever. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Re[2]: Oracle vs Mysql
- Original Message - Jonathan, I've been around for a long time. I've seen things like DataLens for Lotus123, SQL*Calc, Easy*SQL, then there was an Oracle Beat ya: Oracle Add-In for Lotus 123. Using Ora*Net (Async), V4.1.4. 1987. And demoed to the press that same year. g,dr (which BTW was classified by a local expert journo - a la Celko - as a ho-hum technology. Then a few years later M$ delivered ODBC and this same journo called it the way of the future! One wonders) version of then popular DB2 tool, which looked like an IBM 3874 terminal on top of VT320, SQL*Graph does deserve a honorable mention, then there was PRO*Pascal, SQL*QMS. Very good, but never really pushed by Oracle. And I STILL pronounce Pro*Pascal as Pro*Rascal, after all the probs it gave me on demos... Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re[2]: Oracle vs Mysql
Mladen Gogala scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: On 2004.01.19 23:39, Jonathan Gennick wrote: I used to use a SQL Module compiler. Not with Oracle though. It's rare for me to run into someone else who likes that approach. Actually, it's rare for me to encounter someone who's even heard of it... Jonathan, I've been around for a long time. I've seen things like DataLens for Lotus123, SQL*Calc, Easy*SQL, then there was an Oracle version of then popular DB2 tool, which looked like an IBM 3874 terminal on top of VT320, SQL*Graph does deserve a honorable mention, hey, i resemble that remark.;-) i enjoyed using SQL*Calc and SQL*Graph and i even remember the very first version of SQR when it stood for Structured Query Reporter.;-) oh damn, have we been at this too long?;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater ORACLE DBA I'm going to work my ticket if I can... -- Gilwell song [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nothing in life is to be feared. It is only to be understood. - Marie Curie -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re[2]: Oracle vs Mysql
Ahhh. Sql*Calc, Sql*Graph, Sqr EasySqr. Those were the good old days. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 8:05 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Mladen Gogala scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: On 2004.01.19 23:39, Jonathan Gennick wrote: I used to use a SQL Module compiler. Not with Oracle though. It's rare for me to run into someone else who likes that approach. Actually, it's rare for me to encounter someone who's even heard of it... Jonathan, I've been around for a long time. I've seen things like DataLens for Lotus123, SQL*Calc, Easy*SQL, then there was an Oracle version of then popular DB2 tool, which looked like an IBM 3874 terminal on top of VT320, SQL*Graph does deserve a honorable mention, hey, i resemble that remark.;-) i enjoyed using SQL*Calc and SQL*Graph and i even remember the very first version of SQR when it stood for Structured Query Reporter.;-) oh damn, have we been at this too long?;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater ORACLE DBA I'm going to work my ticket if I can... -- Gilwell song [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nothing in life is to be feared. It is only to be understood. - Marie Curie -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mercadante, Thomas F INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re[2]: Oracle vs Mysql
Then here's a rare treat for you! I *loved* SQL mods in RDB. I could make a program in MACRO, BASIC, FORTRAN, BLISS, Ada, DIBOL, or Mladen's favorite COBOL, and could effortlessly have them do DB work. I also didn't have to hunt thru all the source for a single SQL statement since they were in their own file(s). No tricky and time-consuming compiler-specific format-specific precompilers. Just SQueaL. Of course, this was the year 5 BD (Before DBA). It'd be mildly interesting to go back and look at the process now. My $.02, Rich -Original Message- Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 10:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Monday, January 19, 2004, 11:04:26 PM, Mladen Gogala ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: MG A good compiler support MG with something similar to long extinct SQL*Module (originally an IBM technology) I used to use a SQL Module compiler. Not with Oracle though. It's rare for me to run into someone else who likes that approach. Actually, it's rare for me to encounter someone who's even heard of it... Best regards, Jonathan Gennick --- Brighten the corner where you are -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Re[2]: Oracle vs Mysql
Do you remember IBM System 3/10? RPGII flat files? 120 col. punch cards? No hard drives? My $0.02 worth, Ken Janusz, CPIM - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 8:39 AM Careful Mladen, your revealing your age!! Bet you remember RPT RPF as well!! Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 2:04 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L On 2004.01.19 23:39, Jonathan Gennick wrote: I used to use a SQL Module compiler. Not with Oracle though. It's rare for me to run into someone else who likes that approach. Actually, it's rare for me to encounter someone who's even heard of it... Jonathan, I've been around for a long time. I've seen things like DataLens for Lotus123, SQL*Calc, Easy*SQL, then there was an Oracle version of then popular DB2 tool, which looked like an IBM 3874 terminal on top of VT320, SQL*Graph does deserve a honorable mention, then there was PRO*Pascal, and a myriad of other exotic stuff that I cannot remember now. I was laughing when I saw UNDO TABLESPACES in 9i. What exactly is a difference between a specialized undo tablespace and a file that was just laying around and couldn't be touched and was named Before Image file or BI file. Logical names (another concept that many youngsters are probably unfamiliar with) were usually VAX$BI or ORACLE$BI. Unfortunately, discussions like that are not part of OCP curriculum. The file is not really part of the database, you can't create any objects in it, it manages itself and it stores the old values of oracle blocks, in case rollback is needed. I could be talking about BI file or UNDO TABLESPACE, there is no difference whatsoever. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: KENNETH JANUSZ INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re[2]: Oracle vs Mysql
The RPT RPF Oracle class was what made me go looking very quickly for a batch Oracle tool. Then I found SQR. (This was all before PL/SQL and the current versions of Oracle Reports). We bought it and the rest was history. Why Oracle didn't buy SQR when they had a chance amazes me. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:40 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Careful Mladen, your revealing your age!! Bet you remember RPT RPF as well!! Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 2:04 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L On 2004.01.19 23:39, Jonathan Gennick wrote: I used to use a SQL Module compiler. Not with Oracle though. It's rare for me to run into someone else who likes that approach. Actually, it's rare for me to encounter someone who's even heard of it... Jonathan, I've been around for a long time. I've seen things like DataLens for Lotus123, SQL*Calc, Easy*SQL, then there was an Oracle version of then popular DB2 tool, which looked like an IBM 3874 terminal on top of VT320, SQL*Graph does deserve a honorable mention, then there was PRO*Pascal, and a myriad of other exotic stuff that I cannot remember now. I was laughing when I saw UNDO TABLESPACES in 9i. What exactly is a difference between a specialized undo tablespace and a file that was just laying around and couldn't be touched and was named Before Image file or BI file. Logical names (another concept that many youngsters are probably unfamiliar with) were usually VAX$BI or ORACLE$BI. Unfortunately, discussions like that are not part of OCP curriculum. The file is not really part of the database, you can't create any objects in it, it manages itself and it stores the old values of oracle blocks, in case rollback is needed. I could be talking about BI file or UNDO TABLESPACE, there is no difference whatsoever. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mercadante, Thomas F INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re[2]: Oracle vs Mysql
I've got my GX21-9129-9 right here in front of me. It should be in a museum... I'll take Obscure Geek References for $800, Alex. Rich Rich JesseSystem/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:10 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Do you remember IBM System 3/10? RPGII flat files? 120 col. punch cards? No hard drives? My $0.02 worth, Ken Janusz, CPIM -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Re[2]: Oracle vs Mysql
I do indeed. Rumor was that rpt/rpf was written by Larry himself. On 01/20/2004 09:39:34 AM, Goulet, Dick wrote: Careful Mladen, your revealing your age!! Bet you remember RPT RPF as well!! Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 2:04 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L On 2004.01.19 23:39, Jonathan Gennick wrote: I used to use a SQL Module compiler. Not with Oracle though. It's rare for me to run into someone else who likes that approach. Actually, it's rare for me to encounter someone who's even heard of it... Jonathan, I've been around for a long time. I've seen things like DataLens for Lotus123, SQL*Calc, Easy*SQL, then there was an Oracle version of then popular DB2 tool, which looked like an IBM 3874 terminal on top of VT320, SQL*Graph does deserve a honorable mention, then there was PRO*Pascal, and a myriad of other exotic stuff that I cannot remember now. I was laughing when I saw UNDO TABLESPACES in 9i. What exactly is a difference between a specialized undo tablespace and a file that was just laying around and couldn't be touched and was named Before Image file or BI file. Logical names (another concept that many youngsters are probably unfamiliar with) were usually VAX$BI or ORACLE$BI. Unfortunately, discussions like that are not part of OCP curriculum. The file is not really part of the database, you can't create any objects in it, it manages itself and it stores the old values of oracle blocks, in case rollback is needed. I could be talking about BI file or UNDO TABLESPACE, there is no difference whatsoever. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Re[2]: Oracle vs Mysql
On 01/20/2004 08:04:33 AM, Thater, William wrote: Mladen Gogala scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: oh damn, have we been at this too long?;-) Yes, we probably have. I must say that the spirit of Oracle Corp. has changed significantly since the days of Geoff Squire, Chris Ellis, Richard Barker and the gang. Those guys used to understand techies and were extremely helpful. The company was more open and didn't hide the database entrails so thoroughly as today. I was routinely able to get betas (like 7.0.12 or 8.0.3, which was, by the way, the very last beta I've ever received), to test them out, to learn them and to use them. The understanding was mutual: I was given early access, and, in return, I was pushing oracle everywhere I worked. Now, the whole thing is more MS like, more corporate. It may be good for stock owners, but that is not the company I grew accustomed to. This one doesn't inspire much loyalty or devotion. I'm actively looking for a change. So far, the most serious candidate is PostgresSQL, with the database formerly known as DB2 close second. I must say that I really, really like today's IBM. It ceased being an Infernal Bloody Monopolly and is now a company that I'm rather intrigued by. Oracle, on the other hand, is just another corporate giant trying to shove ever more defective products down my throat for more and more bucks and following the suit in the fine art of outsourcing. I believe that Orcle DBA has reached the end of the line, both perspective-wise and technology-wise. I'm planning to stay on this list for another year and then, I'm gone. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re[2]: Oracle vs Mysql
Probably because they were dropping RPT RPF SQR smells a lot like it, YUCK! Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 10:09 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L The RPT RPF Oracle class was what made me go looking very quickly for a batch Oracle tool. Then I found SQR. (This was all before PL/SQL and the current versions of Oracle Reports). We bought it and the rest was history. Why Oracle didn't buy SQR when they had a chance amazes me. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:40 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Careful Mladen, your revealing your age!! Bet you remember RPT RPF as well!! Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 2:04 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L On 2004.01.19 23:39, Jonathan Gennick wrote: I used to use a SQL Module compiler. Not with Oracle though. It's rare for me to run into someone else who likes that approach. Actually, it's rare for me to encounter someone who's even heard of it... Jonathan, I've been around for a long time. I've seen things like DataLens for Lotus123, SQL*Calc, Easy*SQL, then there was an Oracle version of then popular DB2 tool, which looked like an IBM 3874 terminal on top of VT320, SQL*Graph does deserve a honorable mention, then there was PRO*Pascal, and a myriad of other exotic stuff that I cannot remember now. I was laughing when I saw UNDO TABLESPACES in 9i. What exactly is a difference between a specialized undo tablespace and a file that was just laying around and couldn't be touched and was named Before Image file or BI file. Logical names (another concept that many youngsters are probably unfamiliar with) were usually VAX$BI or ORACLE$BI. Unfortunately, discussions like that are not part of OCP curriculum. The file is not really part of the database, you can't create any objects in it, it manages itself and it stores the old values of oracle blocks, in case rollback is needed. I could be talking about BI file or UNDO TABLESPACE, there is no difference whatsoever. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mercadante, Thomas F INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re: Re[2]: Oracle vs Mysql
[snip] 120 col. punch cards? You had a high-density model. Mine only had 80 cols, of which 72 were usable for my goto-happy Fortran statements. SF No hard drives? My $0.02 worth, Ken Janusz, CPIM - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 8:39 AM Careful Mladen, your revealing your age!! Bet you remember RPT RPF as well!! Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 2:04 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L On 2004.01.19 23:39, Jonathan Gennick wrote: I used to use a SQL Module compiler. Not with Oracle though. It's rare for me to run into someone else who likes that approach. Actually, it's rare for me to encounter someone who's even heard of it... Jonathan, I've been around for a long time. I've seen things like DataLens for Lotus123, SQL*Calc, Easy*SQL, then there was an Oracle version of then popular DB2 tool, which looked like an IBM 3874 terminal on top of VT320, SQL*Graph does deserve a honorable mention, then there was PRO*Pascal, and a myriad of other exotic stuff that I cannot remember now. I was laughing when I saw UNDO TABLESPACES in 9i. What exactly is a difference between a specialized undo tablespace and a file that was just laying around and couldn't be touched and was named Before Image file or BI file. Logical names (another concept that many youngsters are probably unfamiliar with) were usually VAX$BI or ORACLE$BI. Unfortunately, discussions like that are not part of OCP curriculum. The file is not really part of the database, you can't create any objects in it, it manages itself and it stores the old values of oracle blocks, in case rollback is needed. I could be talking about BI file or UNDO TABLESPACE, there is no difference whatsoever. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: KENNETH JANUSZ INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). --- -- --- -- --- -- Regards, Stephane Faroult Oriole -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephane Faroult INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re[2]: Oracle vs Mysql
Careful Mladen, your revealing your age!! Bet you remember RPT RPF as well!! Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 2:04 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L On 2004.01.19 23:39, Jonathan Gennick wrote: I used to use a SQL Module compiler. Not with Oracle though. It's rare for me to run into someone else who likes that approach. Actually, it's rare for me to encounter someone who's even heard of it... Jonathan, I've been around for a long time. I've seen things like DataLens for Lotus123, SQL*Calc, Easy*SQL, then there was an Oracle version of then popular DB2 tool, which looked like an IBM 3874 terminal on top of VT320, SQL*Graph does deserve a honorable mention, then there was PRO*Pascal, and a myriad of other exotic stuff that I cannot remember now. I was laughing when I saw UNDO TABLESPACES in 9i. What exactly is a difference between a specialized undo tablespace and a file that was just laying around and couldn't be touched and was named Before Image file or BI file. Logical names (another concept that many youngsters are probably unfamiliar with) were usually VAX$BI or ORACLE$BI. Unfortunately, discussions like that are not part of OCP curriculum. The file is not really part of the database, you can't create any objects in it, it manages itself and it stores the old values of oracle blocks, in case rollback is needed. I could be talking about BI file or UNDO TABLESPACE, there is no difference whatsoever. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Re[2]: Oracle vs Mysql
On 01/20/2004 10:09:34 AM, KENNETH JANUSZ wrote: Do you remember IBM System 3/10? RPGII flat files? 120 col. punch cards? No hard drives? My $0.02 worth, Ken Janusz, CPIM I've never done anything with System/3. My first IBM was 3084 with MVS and IMS, running on 8M RAM. After an upgrade, it was a monster with 16M RAM and CICS/DL1 combination. You might be interested in the fact that this system was routinely supporting between 800 and 900 users. Of course, the use of the Trashing System Option or TSO, for short, was severely limited. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re[2]: Oracle vs Mysql
RPT was great stuff. In addition to SELECT statements it could do full DML, DDL, and DCL (I think.) Like Unix it was just particular on who it was friendly with. :-) Then there was RPT2C. Now there's perl. Eschewing the pointy-clicky stuff. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 10:09 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L The RPT RPF Oracle class was what made me go looking very quickly for a batch Oracle tool. Then I found SQR. (This was all before PL/SQL and the current versions of Oracle Reports). We bought it and the rest was history. Why Oracle didn't buy SQR when they had a chance amazes me. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:40 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Careful Mladen, your revealing your age!! Bet you remember RPT RPF as well!! Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re[2]: Oracle vs Mysql
YES! Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 10:10 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Do you remember IBM System 3/10? RPGII flat files? 120 col. punch cards? No hard drives? My $0.02 worth, Ken Janusz, CPIM - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 8:39 AM Careful Mladen, your revealing your age!! Bet you remember RPT RPF as well!! Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 2:04 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L On 2004.01.19 23:39, Jonathan Gennick wrote: I used to use a SQL Module compiler. Not with Oracle though. It's rare for me to run into someone else who likes that approach. Actually, it's rare for me to encounter someone who's even heard of it... Jonathan, I've been around for a long time. I've seen things like DataLens for Lotus123, SQL*Calc, Easy*SQL, then there was an Oracle version of then popular DB2 tool, which looked like an IBM 3874 terminal on top of VT320, SQL*Graph does deserve a honorable mention, then there was PRO*Pascal, and a myriad of other exotic stuff that I cannot remember now. I was laughing when I saw UNDO TABLESPACES in 9i. What exactly is a difference between a specialized undo tablespace and a file that was just laying around and couldn't be touched and was named Before Image file or BI file. Logical names (another concept that many youngsters are probably unfamiliar with) were usually VAX$BI or ORACLE$BI. Unfortunately, discussions like that are not part of OCP curriculum. The file is not really part of the database, you can't create any objects in it, it manages itself and it stores the old values of oracle blocks, in case rollback is needed. I could be talking about BI file or UNDO TABLESPACE, there is no difference whatsoever. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: KENNETH JANUSZ INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Re: Re[2]: Oracle vs Mysql
The old IBM System3 machines used 120 col. punch cards. And initially they had no HD's. Everything was done with cards and a reader/sorter. To compile a program you took the code you wrote, punched it into cards and then put it behind a stack of cards that was the compiler. The machine read the cards and generated another pile cards that was the compiled code. No matter how big the code you were compiling it took about 30 minutes to do a compile. All data was stored on cards - lots and lots of cards. Ken - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:34 AM [snip] 120 col. punch cards? You had a high-density model. Mine only had 80 cols, of which 72 were usable for my goto-happy Fortran statements. SF No hard drives? My $0.02 worth, Ken Janusz, CPIM - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 8:39 AM Careful Mladen, your revealing your age!! Bet you remember RPT RPF as well!! Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 2:04 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L On 2004.01.19 23:39, Jonathan Gennick wrote: I used to use a SQL Module compiler. Not with Oracle though. It's rare for me to run into someone else who likes that approach. Actually, it's rare for me to encounter someone who's even heard of it... Jonathan, I've been around for a long time. I've seen things like DataLens for Lotus123, SQL*Calc, Easy*SQL, then there was an Oracle version of then popular DB2 tool, which looked like an IBM 3874 terminal on top of VT320, SQL*Graph does deserve a honorable mention, then there was PRO*Pascal, and a myriad of other exotic stuff that I cannot remember now. I was laughing when I saw UNDO TABLESPACES in 9i. What exactly is a difference between a specialized undo tablespace and a file that was just laying around and couldn't be touched and was named Before Image file or BI file. Logical names (another concept that many youngsters are probably unfamiliar with) were usually VAX$BI or ORACLE$BI. Unfortunately, discussions like that are not part of OCP curriculum. The file is not really part of the database, you can't create any objects in it, it manages itself and it stores the old values of oracle blocks, in case rollback is needed. I could be talking about BI file or UNDO TABLESPACE, there is no difference whatsoever. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: KENNETH JANUSZ INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). --- -- --- -- --- -- Regards, Stephane Faroult Oriole -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephane Faroult INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services
Re: Re[2]: Oracle vs Mysql
What RPT and RPF exactly are? Are they some sort of reporting tool? - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 11:19 AM RPT was great stuff. In addition to SELECT statements it could do full DML, DDL, and DCL (I think.) Like Unix it was just particular on who it was friendly with. :-) Then there was RPT2C. Now there's perl. Eschewing the pointy-clicky stuff. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 10:09 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L The RPT RPF Oracle class was what made me go looking very quickly for a batch Oracle tool. Then I found SQR. (This was all before PL/SQL and the current versions of Oracle Reports). We bought it and the rest was history. Why Oracle didn't buy SQR when they had a chance amazes me. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:40 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Careful Mladen, your revealing your age!! Bet you remember RPT RPF as well!! Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: eric king INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re[2]: Oracle vs Mysql
Jonathan, The only reason MySql is known better is that big mouth equal to Bill Gates in Finland. Otherwise PostGreSql is the much better product. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 1:49 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Tuesday, January 20, 2004, 1:29:25 PM, DENNIS WILLIAMS ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: DW I can recall editorials debating whether Unix/Oracle would ever be DW industrial strength enough to support critical applications. I admit to not being involved in databases that far back, but I've read enough to believe that Oracle was definitely the upstart in the early days, much like MySQL is now, and that's reason enough for Oracle Corp to worry about this new competition. Oracle grew up and became the heavyweight, and MySQL seems to be trying to follow the same path. All MySQL really needs to do is to add capability fast enough to keep up with the demands of their current customers. Their customers will grow, will continue to use MySQL, and as the product becomes more capable, more customers will jump on the bandwagon. DWThe story the author relates has to do with distributed databases. Ingres DW was developing a distributed database capability. Larry got wind of this and DW announced an new product SQL*Star, that hadn't even been discussed within DW Oracle. LOL! Took guts to do that. Larry must've given the developers heart-burn. DWMy point is that each time these free databases are discussed, people DW mention the fact that Postgres is superior from a technical standpoint. But DW from what I see, often it is the best marketed product that prevails. Someone mention books. Was that you Dennis? From what data I see, MySQL books far outsell PostgreSQL books. MySQL is the product with the mindshare, not PostgreSQL. Best regards, Jonathan Gennick --- Brighten the corner where you are http://Gennick.com * 906.387.1698 * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Join the Oracle-article list and receive one article on Oracle technologies per month by email. To join, visit http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/oracle-article, or send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include the word subscribe in either the subject or body. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jonathan Gennick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re[2]: Oracle vs Mysql
Yupp. RPF=report formatter or some such. -Original Message- eric king Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 1:19 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L What RPT and RPF exactly are? Are they some sort of reporting tool? - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 11:19 AM RPT was great stuff. In addition to SELECT statements it could do full DML, DDL, and DCL (I think.) Like Unix it was just particular on who it was friendly with. :-) Then there was RPT2C. Now there's perl. Eschewing the pointy-clicky stuff. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 10:09 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L The RPT RPF Oracle class was what made me go looking very quickly for a batch Oracle tool. Then I found SQR. (This was all before PL/SQL and the current versions of Oracle Reports). We bought it and the rest was history. Why Oracle didn't buy SQR when they had a chance amazes me. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:40 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Careful Mladen, your revealing your age!! Bet you remember RPT RPF as well!! Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: eric king INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re[2]: Oracle vs Mysql
Eric, They were the precusors to Oracle reports. RPT was the report extraction tool, and RPF was the report formatter. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 3:19 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L What RPT and RPF exactly are? Are they some sort of reporting tool? - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 11:19 AM RPT was great stuff. In addition to SELECT statements it could do full DML, DDL, and DCL (I think.) Like Unix it was just particular on who it was friendly with. :-) Then there was RPT2C. Now there's perl. Eschewing the pointy-clicky stuff. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 10:09 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L The RPT RPF Oracle class was what made me go looking very quickly for a batch Oracle tool. Then I found SQR. (This was all before PL/SQL and the current versions of Oracle Reports). We bought it and the rest was history. Why Oracle didn't buy SQR when they had a chance amazes me. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:40 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Careful Mladen, your revealing your age!! Bet you remember RPT RPF as well!! Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: eric king INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re[2]: Oracle vs Mysql
But, unless you have old diskettes... you'll never see them. They died with the demise of v5. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 2:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Yupp. RPF=report formatter or some such. -Original Message- eric king Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 1:19 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L What RPT and RPF exactly are? Are they some sort of reporting tool? - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 11:19 AM RPT was great stuff. In addition to SELECT statements it could do full DML, DDL, and DCL (I think.) Like Unix it was just particular on who it was friendly with. :-) Then there was RPT2C. Now there's perl. Eschewing the pointy-clicky stuff. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 10:09 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L The RPT RPF Oracle class was what made me go looking very quickly for a batch Oracle tool. Then I found SQR. (This was all before PL/SQL and the current versions of Oracle Reports). We bought it and the rest was history. Why Oracle didn't buy SQR when they had a chance amazes me. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:40 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Careful Mladen, your revealing your age!! Bet you remember RPT RPF as well!! Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: eric king INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Bellow, Bambi INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Re[2]: Oracle vs Mysql
On 01/20/2004 03:29:33 PM, Goulet, Dick wrote: Jonathan, The only reason MySql is known better is that big mouth equal to Bill Gates in Finland. Otherwise PostGreSql is the much better product. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA Dick, when you are talking about big mouth from Finland, you probably don't refer to Pamela Anderson, also from Finland? The other person from Finland, whom I will not mention except by the first name (Linus) should be given credit for a wonderful OS that is successfully breaking the MS monopoly. I wonder whether this Linus needs a security blanket to carry around. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Re[2]: Oracle vs Mysql
I know I used to set up RPT and do all sorts of complex updating things. At the State and with things coming from mainframes, the data organization seemed to lend itself well to RPT. Since the organization was like of loops within loops, I could take the high order update and then loop through the subdata, and if it had subdata, so be it, I could get it too. What RPT and RPF exactly are? Are they some sort of reporting tool? - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 11:19 AM RPT was great stuff. In addition to SELECT statements it could do full DML, DDL, and DCL (I think.) Like Unix it was just particular on who it was friendly with. :-) Then there was RPT2C. Now there's perl. Eschewing the pointy-clicky stuff. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 10:09 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L The RPT RPF Oracle class was what made me go looking very quickly for a batch Oracle tool. Then I found SQR. (This was all before PL/SQL and the current versions of Oracle Reports). We bought it and the rest was history. Why Oracle didn't buy SQR when they had a chance amazes me. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:40 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Careful Mladen, your revealing your age!! Bet you remember RPT RPF as well!! Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: eric king INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Re[2]: Oracle vs Mysql
Dick, when you are talking about big mouth from Finland, you probably don't refer to Pamela Anderson, also from Finland? The other person from Finland, whom I will not mention except by the first name (Linus) should be given credit for a wonderful OS that is successfully breaking the MS monopoly. I wonder whether this Linus needs a security blanket to carry around. Or did you mean Väinämöinen, a really wise guy from finnish mythology? Tanel. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Tanel Poder INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re[2]: Oracle vs Mysql
If Mr Torvalds needs a security blanket, I'd be happy to send him several. Yes he crafted a wonderful OS I sincerely hope he knocks Billy Gates down to size. Seems to be doing one heck of a job at it, even with SCO on MicroSlop's side. MS Anderson appears headed for the twilight, thank GOD. As for Michael Monty Widenius of MySql AB. Well, that's another story. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 3:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L On 01/20/2004 03:29:33 PM, Goulet, Dick wrote: Jonathan, The only reason MySql is known better is that big mouth equal to Bill Gates in Finland. Otherwise PostGreSql is the much better product. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA Dick, when you are talking about big mouth from Finland, you probably don't refer to Pamela Anderson, also from Finland? The other person from Finland, whom I will not mention except by the first name (Linus) should be given credit for a wonderful OS that is successfully breaking the MS monopoly. I wonder whether this Linus needs a security blanket to carry around. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Re[2]: Oracle vs Mysql
At 03:29 PM 1/20/2004, you wrote: I do indeed. Rumor was that rpt/rpf was written by Larry himself. Now I understand! I once applied for a job at Oracle, and got asked: What do you think about RPT/RPF. My answer: Probably som hobby-project of one or another developer, which, after demonstration to his boss, was turned into a product. That was a disloyal remark, even in Holland, and I wasn't hired. Anyone used HLI, with Lattice-C? Regards, Carel-Jan === If you think education is expensive, try ignorance. (Derek Bok) ===
