RE: Shared server model
Raj, Your bosses idea might be OK with the following conditions. 1. If your database size is small (what is small is relative term. I consider a database small if it is less than 200 GB) 2. If the number of users accessing the database is less (around 50 users). 3. If you have big server with large amount of memory (more than or equal to 4 GB) and more than or equal to 4 processors. And no other application is competing for hardware resources. 4. If your server is a unix box (Forget doing this idea on NT. If your boss insists on NT, then start brushing up your resume!!). 5. If you have backup plans for your database. The list could give you suggestions, if you come out with your database size, number of users, type of database (OLTP/DSS), the hardware configuration etc. Rao -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 8:11 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L DBAs, I am working for a web developing and hosting company. My boss came out with an idea of putting all the DB in a massive(!!) server so that we dont need to have seperate server for each DB. He argues this is better idea than having DB server for each site. I am not sure how this will work. Any thoughts on this would be helpful to me.. Thanks Raj -- -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rao, Maheswara INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Shared server model
I agree with not putting your multiple databases on one NT box - single point of failure. If you have to upgrade something or add a new driver, you may have to reboot the machine. It's not so bad if you only have one db on it, it only inconveniences those users. If ALL your databases are on that one machine, whenever that server goes down you will inconvenience ALL your customers, at the same time. Likewise if there ever is a hardware failure on your machine. Just a thought. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Rao, Maheswara [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 10:10 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: Shared server model Raj, Your bosses idea might be OK with the following conditions. 1. If your database size is small (what is small is relative term. I consider a database small if it is less than 200 GB) 2. If the number of users accessing the database is less (around 50 users). 3. If you have big server with large amount of memory (more than or equal to 4 GB) and more than or equal to 4 processors. And no other application is competing for hardware resources. 4. If your server is a unix box (Forget doing this idea on NT. If your boss insists on NT, then start brushing up your resume!!). 5. If you have backup plans for your database. The list could give you suggestions, if you come out with your database size, number of users, type of database (OLTP/DSS), the hardware configuration etc. Rao -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 8:11 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L DBAs, I am working for a web developing and hosting company. My boss came out with an idea of putting all the DB in a massive(!!) server so that we dont need to have seperate server for each DB. He argues this is better idea than having DB server for each site. I am not sure how this will work. Any thoughts on this would be helpful to me.. Thanks Raj -- -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rao, Maheswara INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Shared server model
Couldn't it also depend on whether or not it is a development box or a 24/7 box? Personally, we do developement here and I have multiple db's on single NT servers. However, I have seen way too many crashes to imagine attempting this with a 24/7 environement. Just curious, what is the largest DB that anyone has ever seen running on an NT server? What was the configuration of the server? We just have little ones, Dual 550's with a gig of ram. Kev -Original Message- Patrice J Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 10:05 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I agree with not putting your multiple databases on one NT box - single point of failure. If you have to upgrade something or add a new driver, you may have to reboot the machine. It's not so bad if you only have one db on it, it only inconveniences those users. If ALL your databases are on that one machine, whenever that server goes down you will inconvenience ALL your customers, at the same time. Likewise if there ever is a hardware failure on your machine. Just a thought. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Rao, Maheswara [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 10:10 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: Shared server model Raj, Your bosses idea might be OK with the following conditions. 1. If your database size is small (what is small is relative term. I consider a database small if it is less than 200 GB) 2. If the number of users accessing the database is less (around 50 users). 3. If you have big server with large amount of memory (more than or equal to 4 GB) and more than or equal to 4 processors. And no other application is competing for hardware resources. 4. If your server is a unix box (Forget doing this idea on NT. If your boss insists on NT, then start brushing up your resume!!). 5. If you have backup plans for your database. The list could give you suggestions, if you come out with your database size, number of users, type of database (OLTP/DSS), the hardware configuration etc. Rao -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 8:11 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L DBAs, I am working for a web developing and hosting company. My boss came out with an idea of putting all the DB in a massive(!!) server so that we dont need to have seperate server for each DB. He argues this is better idea than having DB server for each site. I am not sure how this will work. Any thoughts on this would be helpful to me.. Thanks Raj -- -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rao, Maheswara INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kevin Kostyszyn INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling
RE: Shared server model
Then again, everything on one box cluster is less breakable parts. Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if both are frozen. Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Fuelspot -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 10:05 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I agree with not putting your multiple databases on one NT box - single point of failure. If you have to upgrade something or add a new driver, you may have to reboot the machine. It's not so bad if you only have one db on it, it only inconveniences those users. If ALL your databases are on that one machine, whenever that server goes down you will inconvenience ALL your customers, at the same time. Likewise if there ever is a hardware failure on your machine. Just a thought. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Rao, Maheswara [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 10:10 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: Shared server model Raj, Your bosses idea might be OK with the following conditions. 1. If your database size is small (what is small is relative term. I consider a database small if it is less than 200 GB) 2. If the number of users accessing the database is less (around 50 users). 3. If you have big server with large amount of memory (more than or equal to 4 GB) and more than or equal to 4 processors. And no other application is competing for hardware resources. 4. If your server is a unix box (Forget doing this idea on NT. If your boss insists on NT, then start brushing up your resume!!). 5. If you have backup plans for your database. The list could give you suggestions, if you come out with your database size, number of users, type of database (OLTP/DSS), the hardware configuration etc. Rao -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 8:11 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L DBAs, I am working for a web developing and hosting company. My boss came out with an idea of putting all the DB in a massive(!!) server so that we dont need to have seperate server for each DB. He argues this is better idea than having DB server for each site. I am not sure how this will work. Any thoughts on this would be helpful to me.. Thanks Raj -- -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rao, Maheswara INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Christopher Spence INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Shared server model
Just a comment. I am not a NT fan, and dispise using it for Oracle. But I will repeat something I said many times. For the $10,000-$20,000 budget, I can make an NT server out perform any unix box on similar budget. NT's problem is NOT that it is slow, I beg to differ, it can hold up with most unix boxes any day of the week for a lot of differnt tasks. It is that is scales really poorly after breaking into mid level market, and it is prone to alot of DOS (Denial of Service) bugs. Let me see any unix box for under $20,000 grand out perform a Eight 1000MHz, 4Gb Ram, 512Mb write-back cache, 20 Cheetah NT box. Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if both are frozen. Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Fuelspot -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 9:10 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Raj, Your bosses idea might be OK with the following conditions. 1. If your database size is small (what is small is relative term. I consider a database small if it is less than 200 GB) 2. If the number of users accessing the database is less (around 50 users). 3. If you have big server with large amount of memory (more than or equal to 4 GB) and more than or equal to 4 processors. And no other application is competing for hardware resources. 4. If your server is a unix box (Forget doing this idea on NT. If your boss insists on NT, then start brushing up your resume!!). 5. If you have backup plans for your database. The list could give you suggestions, if you come out with your database size, number of users, type of database (OLTP/DSS), the hardware configuration etc. Rao -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 8:11 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L DBAs, I am working for a web developing and hosting company. My boss came out with an idea of putting all the DB in a massive(!!) server so that we dont need to have seperate server for each DB. He argues this is better idea than having DB server for each site. I am not sure how this will work. Any thoughts on this would be helpful to me.. Thanks Raj -- -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rao, Maheswara INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Christopher Spence INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Shared server model
same box running SuSE 7.1? :) (or your favorite distribution) Paul -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 12:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Just a comment. I am not a NT fan, and dispise using it for Oracle. But I will repeat something I said many times. For the $10,000-$20,000 budget, I can make an NT server out perform any unix box on similar budget. NT's problem is NOT that it is slow, I beg to differ, it can hold up with most unix boxes any day of the week for a lot of differnt tasks. It is that is scales really poorly after breaking into mid level market, and it is prone to alot of DOS (Denial of Service) bugs. Let me see any unix box for under $20,000 grand out perform a Eight 1000MHz, 4Gb Ram, 512Mb write-back cache, 20 Cheetah NT box. Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if both are frozen. Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Fuelspot -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 9:10 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Raj, Your bosses idea might be OK with the following conditions. 1. If your database size is small (what is small is relative term. I consider a database small if it is less than 200 GB) 2. If the number of users accessing the database is less (around 50 users). 3. If you have big server with large amount of memory (more than or equal to 4 GB) and more than or equal to 4 processors. And no other application is competing for hardware resources. 4. If your server is a unix box (Forget doing this idea on NT. If your boss insists on NT, then start brushing up your resume!!). 5. If you have backup plans for your database. The list could give you suggestions, if you come out with your database size, number of users, type of database (OLTP/DSS), the hardware configuration etc. Rao -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 8:11 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L DBAs, I am working for a web developing and hosting company. My boss came out with an idea of putting all the DB in a massive(!!) server so that we dont need to have seperate server for each DB. He argues this is better idea than having DB server for each site. I am not sure how this will work. Any thoughts on this would be helpful to me.. Thanks Raj -- -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rao, Maheswara INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Christopher Spence INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Paul Drake INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Shared server model
O my, Christopher is the MAN -Original Message- Spence Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 12:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Just a comment. I am not a NT fan, and dispise using it for Oracle. But I will repeat something I said many times. For the $10,000-$20,000 budget, I can make an NT server out perform any unix box on similar budget. NT's problem is NOT that it is slow, I beg to differ, it can hold up with most unix boxes any day of the week for a lot of differnt tasks. It is that is scales really poorly after breaking into mid level market, and it is prone to alot of DOS (Denial of Service) bugs. Let me see any unix box for under $20,000 grand out perform a Eight 1000MHz, 4Gb Ram, 512Mb write-back cache, 20 Cheetah NT box. Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if both are frozen. Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Fuelspot -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 9:10 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Raj, Your bosses idea might be OK with the following conditions. 1. If your database size is small (what is small is relative term. I consider a database small if it is less than 200 GB) 2. If the number of users accessing the database is less (around 50 users). 3. If you have big server with large amount of memory (more than or equal to 4 GB) and more than or equal to 4 processors. And no other application is competing for hardware resources. 4. If your server is a unix box (Forget doing this idea on NT. If your boss insists on NT, then start brushing up your resume!!). 5. If you have backup plans for your database. The list could give you suggestions, if you come out with your database size, number of users, type of database (OLTP/DSS), the hardware configuration etc. Rao -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 8:11 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L DBAs, I am working for a web developing and hosting company. My boss came out with an idea of putting all the DB in a massive(!!) server so that we dont need to have seperate server for each DB. He argues this is better idea than having DB server for each site. I am not sure how this will work. Any thoughts on this would be helpful to me.. Thanks Raj -- -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rao, Maheswara INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Christopher Spence INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kevin Kostyszyn INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Shared server model
I was gonna say that, but you beat me to it. :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/12/01 02:01PM same box running SuSE 7.1? :) (or your favorite distribution) Paul -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 12:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Just a comment. I am not a NT fan, and dispise using it for Oracle. But I will repeat something I said many times. For the $10,000-$20,000 budget, I can make an NT server out perform any unix box on similar budget. NT's problem is NOT that it is slow, I beg to differ, it can hold up with most unix boxes any day of the week for a lot of differnt tasks. It is that is scales really poorly after breaking into mid level market, and it is prone to alot of DOS (Denial of Service) bugs. Let me see any unix box for under $20,000 grand out perform a Eight 1000MHz, 4Gb Ram, 512Mb write-back cache, 20 Cheetah NT box. Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if both are frozen. Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Fuelspot -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 9:10 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Raj, Your bosses idea might be OK with the following conditions. 1. If your database size is small (what is small is relative term. I consider a database small if it is less than 200 GB) 2. If the number of users accessing the database is less (around 50 users). 3. If you have big server with large amount of memory (more than or equal to 4 GB) and more than or equal to 4 processors. And no other application is competing for hardware resources. 4. If your server is a unix box (Forget doing this idea on NT. If your boss insists on NT, then start brushing up your resume!!). 5. If you have backup plans for your database. The list could give you suggestions, if you come out with your database size, number of users, type of database (OLTP/DSS), the hardware configuration etc. Rao -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 8:11 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L DBAs, I am working for a web developing and hosting company. My boss came out with an idea of putting all the DB in a massive(!!) server so that we dont need to have seperate server for each DB. He argues this is better idea than having DB server for each site. I am not sure how this will work. Any thoughts on this would be helpful to me.. Thanks Raj -- -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rao, Maheswara INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Christopher Spence INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Paul Drake INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Richard Ji INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information
