RE: Standard Vs. Enterprise Edition for Application Compilation
Vivek - Sorry for the late reply, but I just returned from holiday and don't see where anyone has replied to your posting. My understanding is that your situation is exactly what Oracle has anticipated with Std. vs. Enterprise. Oracle's goal is that all differences be code-independent, so that you can compile applications for either version and they will work for the other. The only resource for differences between Std and Enterprise I've seen are Oracle's marketing materials. I don't know the name of the currently available document, just have to poke around. Something about a Family of Products. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 10:54 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi Qs Does a Pro-C application (Banking) need to be compiled with Standard Edition as Oracle Libraries are being used in the Compilation OR can it be compiled with the Enterprise Edition simply deployed elsewhere at Customer site containing the Standard Edition? NOTE Application is making OCI Calls to the DB. Does Standard Edition support the same? Qs Which are the important differences between Standard Edition of 8i/9i versus Enterprise Edition? Will provide any info needed Thanks Vivek -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: VIVEK_SHARMA INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Standard vs Enterprise Edition
At 03:50 PM 3/28/01 -0800, you wrote: >>>> RE: Standard vs Enterprise Edition [growl] This is sort of off topic, but on the subject of "Enterprise Edition"s As you may remember, I've been doing comparisons between Oracle, SQLServer, and DB2, pricewise and otherwise. I asked for prices on the "Enterprise" versions of all, so that I could be comparing the full-featured flagships in all cases. Well, it turns out IBM's DB2 also comes in "Extended Enterprise Edition" (E3), which adds clustering to the mix (actually pretty good specs on that feature). Apologies to anyone who gets offended, but this is kind of like how condoms come in "Large", "Larger", and "Huge". Dennis Taylor No one feels quite as helpless as the owner of a sick goldfish. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Dennis Taylor INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Standard vs Enterprise Edition
I am compelled to tell you this story... Many years ago I had a gold fish that had some sort of parasite on it...it was green. My gold fish book actually had a remedy for this. Take the fish out of the water, remove the parasite with tweezers, apply a small drop of mecurchrome(sp?), then bathe the fish in a lite saltwater solution for an hour. Sounds weird? Maybe, but I did it, and it worked! The spot on the fish actually healed. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/29/01 10:35AM RE: Standard vs Enterprise Edition [growl] This is sort of off topic, but on the subject of "EnterpriseEdition"s As you may remember, I've been doing comparisons betweenOracle, SQLServer, and DB2, pricewise and otherwise. I asked for priceson the "Enterprise" versions of all, so that I could be comparing thefull-featured flagships in all cases. Well, it turns out IBM's DB2 alsocomes in "Extended Enterprise Edition" (E3), which adds clustering to themix (actually pretty good specs on that feature).Apologies to anyone who gets offended, but this is kind of like howcondoms come in "Large", "Larger", and "Huge".Dennis TaylorNo one feels quite as helpless as the owner of a sick goldfish.-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com-- Author: Dennis Taylor INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing ListsTo REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail messageto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and inthe message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You mayalso send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Tim Sawmiller INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Standard vs Enterprise Edition
Eeeww! OK, I am now grossed out. At 08:48 AM 3/29/01 -0800, you wrote: I am compelled to tell you this story... Many years ago I had a gold fish that had some sort of parasite on it...it was green. My gold fish book actually had a remedy for this. Take the fish out of the water, remove the parasite with tweezers, apply a small drop of mecurchrome(sp?), then bathe the fish in a lite saltwater solution for an hour. Sounds weird? Maybe, but I did it, and it worked! The spot on the fish actually healed. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/29/01 10:35AM RE: Standard vs Enterprise Edition [growl] This is sort of off topic, but on the subject of "EnterpriseEdition"s As you may remember, I've been doing comparisons betweenOracle, SQLServer, and DB2, pricewise and otherwise. I asked for priceson the "Enterprise" versions of all, so that I could be comparing thefull-featured flagships in all cases. Well, it turns out IBM's DB2 alsocomes in "Extended Enterprise Edition" (E3), which adds clustering to themix (actually pretty good specs on that feature).Apologies to anyone who gets offended, but this is kind of like howcondoms come in "Large", "Larger", and "Huge".Dennis TaylorNo one feels quite as helpless as the owner of a sick goldfish.-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com-- Author: Dennis Taylor INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing ListsTo REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail messageto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and inthe message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You mayalso send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Tim Sawmiller INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Dennis Taylor No one feels quite as helpless as the owner of a sick goldfish. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Dennis Taylor INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Standard vs Enterprise Edition
Title: Standard vs Enterprise Edition We also have a client that wants to use Standard because it is less expensive. I tried to install 8.1.6 SE on an NT server that already had EE on it. I made it a multihomed machine but ran into a problem with a dll. Seems to be a known bug, needless to say, it might have ruined my installation of Veritas Backup Exec, just thought I would mention it. I have been getting some very strange errors on the machine since I installed, I think I will move it to an empty machine. As far as the differences are concerned, i don't know yet. Kev -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Thomas JeffSent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 10:36 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Standard vs Enterprise Edition Due to Oracle's licensing shenanigans, we are looking at the use of the Standard edition to save . In fact, our management may even make Standard the de facto standard while requiring justification for Enterprise. If anyone is currently using Standard, or has experience with it, I would appreciate if can you tell me what I lose by moving to Standard. I've perused the features comparision matrix, but I'd like to see some other feedback to ensure I'm not overlooking anything. Thanks,Jeff T [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standard vs Enterprise Edition
We use it for all of our small, under 10 gig, NT databases (at last count we had 13). Many of the features of Enterprise are just not needed for these systems because the user/data volume is small and we are not using replication or fine-grain access control. All of the 3rd party applications (except SAP) on site have been coded for standard. These 3rd party vendors don't have good DBAs on staff either, but that is a different topic. List - Is that your experience also? Todd Carlson Oracle 8 8i Certified DBA Bunge Corporation Thomas Jeff ThomasJe@tceTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L .com[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: cc: root@fatcity.Subject: Standard vs Enterprise Edition com 03/28/2001 09:36 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L Due to Oracle's licensing shenanigans, we are looking at the use of the Standard edition to save . In fact, our management may even make Standard the de facto standard while requiring justification for Enterprise. If anyone is currently using Standard, or has experience with it, I would appreciate if can you tell me what I lose by moving to Standard. I've perused the features comparision matrix, but I'd like to see some other feedback to ensure I'm not overlooking anything. Thanks, Jeff T [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Standard vs Enterprise Edition
Sometimes I forget that unhappiness is only based on perception. "Thater, William" To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L ThaterW@tele[EMAIL PROTECTED] rgy.net cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: Standard vs Enterprise Edition root@fatcity. com 03/28/2001 11:45 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (except SAP) on site have been coded for standard. These 3rd party vendors don't have good DBAs on staff either, but that is a different topic. List - Is that your experience also? you mean you get a vender with a DBA on staff? damn, you're lucky.;-) we actually have a vendor here who does not have a working ORACLE database to test out our problems and fixes on. -- Bill Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work! -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Standard vs Enterprise Edition
Jeff, We have a retail application (JDA) using Oracle 8.1.6 using the Standard Edition. It works fine with very few problems. The application uses very limited database features. No replication, partitioning, OPS, standby database, ... Please see attached document from Oracle Technet for differences between Oracle Enterprise Edition and Oracle Standard Edition. If you do not need the extra functionality like partitioning, advanced replication it may not be worth the extra effort of spending money on the Enterprise Edition. The cost of the Enterprise Edition compared to the Standard Edition is large (2 x). Most companies purchase the Enterprise Edition but do not even use 30% of the features that come with it. What a waste of $$$. Please see attached .PDF to get more insight on technical differences between the both editions. HTH Suhen Due to Oracle's licensing shenanigans, we are looking at the use of the Standard edition to save . In fact, our management may even make Standard the de facto standard while requiring justification for Enterprise. If anyone is currently using Standard, or has experience with it, I would appreciate if can you tell me what I lose by moving to Standard. I've perused the features comparision matrix, but I'd like to see some other feedback to ensure I'm not overlooking anything. Thanks, Jeff T [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Suhen Pather INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Standard vs Enterprise Edition
Title: RE: Standard vs Enterprise Edition Thanks everyone for the replies. -Original Message- From: Suhen Pather [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 6:26 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: FW: Standard vs Enterprise Edition Oops !!! forgot to send the attachment. Jeff, We have a retail application (JDA) using Oracle 8.1.6 using the Standard Edition. It works fine with very few problems. Size of the database is 70GB. The application uses very limited database features. No replication, partitioning, OPS, standby database, ... Please see attached document from Oracle Technet for differences between Oracle Enterprise Edition and Oracle Standard Edition. If you do not need the extra functionality like partitioning, advanced replication it may not be worth the extra effort of spending money on the Enterprise Edition. The cost of the Enterprise Edition compared to the Standard Edition is large (2 x). Most companies purchase the Enterprise Edition but do not even use 30% of the features that come with it. What a waste of $$$. Please see attached .PDF to get more insight on technical differences between the both editions. HTH Suhen Due to Oracle's licensing shenanigans, we are looking at the use of the Standard edition to save . In fact, our management may even make Standard the de facto standard while requiring justification for Enterprise. If anyone is currently using Standard, or has experience with it, I would appreciate if can you tell me what I lose by moving to Standard. I've perused the features comparision matrix, but I'd like to see some other feedback to ensure I'm not overlooking anything. Thanks, Jeff T [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standard vs Enterprise Edition
The cost of the Enterprise Edition compared to the Standard Edition is large (2 x). The way i figure enterprise is over 6.5 times more expensive. Enterprise = $100/Universal Power Unit to $15.00/Universal Power Unit. That is quite a difference.I would sure make sure we used feature available ( if they work..) Jim -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jim Walski INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Standard vs Enterprise Edition
Kevin, I know that you run on NT. So do I. Big deal. You can still run on 4 CPUs, with a 5 named user license, provided you're running Std Ed. If those are 4 x 1 GHx - that's a $400,000.00 license. For $1500. 5 named users is all it takes. Ain't life grand? You know, you can do alot of coding for $200,000.00. Lots. Unless the database relies upon parallel query option, advanced replication, managed standby or bitmap indicies, I'd say - go with the pricing of standard edition, and use a beter architect. Throw some money at I/O - instead of licen$e. interMedia and iFS are included with 8.1.7 Standard Edition. of course, if you have MEGA batch jobs to run that would take advantage of PQO ... it depends ... Paul Kevin Kostyszyn wrote: We also have a client that wants to use Standard because it is less expensive. I tried to install 8.1.6 SE on an NT server that already had EE on it. I made it a multihomed machine but ran into a problem with a dll. Seems to be a known bug, needless to say, it might have ruined my installation of Veritas Backup Exec, just thought I would mention it. I have been getting some very strange errors on the machine since I installed, I think I will move it to an empty machine. As far as the differences are concerned, i don't know yet. Kev -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Thomas Jeff Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 10:36 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Standard vs Enterprise Edition Due to Oracle's licensing shenanigans, we are looking at the use of the Standard edition to save . In fact, our management may even make Standard the de facto standard while requiring justification for Enterprise. If anyone is currently using Standard, or has experience with it, I would appreciate if can you tell me what I lose by moving to Standard. I've perused the features comparision matrix, but I'd like to see some other feedback to ensure I'm not overlooking anything. Thanks, Jeff T [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Paul Drake INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
