RE: Virus again

2001-06-29 Thread Mark Leith

Well, I just a got a REAL Virus - Chicken Pox!! Just been to the doctors..
You better hope I can't spread E-Chicken Pox :)

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If I get e-mail from the customer with virus I'll inform him/her about the
virus.  99.9% of customers would eliminate the source of the virus.  If they
refuse to do so I would probably not want to deal with them even as
customers. It would not make any impact on the business if I lost 0.1% of my
customers and that action would actualy work for me because all good people
out there would  know I don't challenge my values.  It is like going to an
unsanitized doctor's office, catching something there and doctor's claiming:
'you didn't get it from my office you got it from one of my patients'.  That
is what doesn't make scence I can even handle annoying recruter's
e-mails but not e-mails with viruses.  Noone asks you to block ALL e-mails
but when the source of inconvinience has been identified why not to take
care of it?

Anyway, I am giving up.

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  There is definately an association between this list and the person

 The point remains that such a broad solution makes no sense.  If you get
an
 email from a customer and it has a virus, you could say there is
definitely
 an association between our customers and email with viruses.  But are you
 going to stop all email from customers?

 How about just stopping all email?  That would solve the problem.

 Perhaps the boys in network admin need to work on a more focused solution
 instead of cutting off a broad source of email.



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RE: Virus again

2001-06-29 Thread Kevin Kostyszyn

I beleive there is definately an association, like the dude is still on the
list, set up some stupid VB thing tha takes parts of messages and attaches
viruses to them and sends them out  That's my guess.
KK

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 There is definately an association between this list and the person

The point remains that such a broad solution makes no sense.  If you get an
email from a customer and it has a virus, you could say there is definitely
an association between our customers and email with viruses.  But are you
going to stop all email from customers?

How about just stopping all email?  That would solve the problem.

Perhaps the boys in network admin need to work on a more focused solution
instead of cutting off a broad source of email.



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RE: Virus again

2001-06-29 Thread Dennis Taylor

S'OK. This list won't let you send it as an attachment.

At 03:15 AM 6/29/01 -0800, you wrote:
Well, I just a got a REAL Virus - Chicken Pox!! Just been to the doctors..
You better hope I can't spread E-Chicken Pox :)



Dennis Taylor

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Re: Virus again

2001-06-28 Thread Rachel Carmichael

yes, sent to my account, not the list... he's now blocked. seems simpler


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Subject: Virus again
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 07:56:23 -0800

Did anyone else get that virus crap again?

Sincerely,
Kevin Kostyszyn
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RE: Virus again

2001-06-28 Thread Rok Kodrun

Yes, got this file as attachment.

Norton AntiVirus has detected the W32.Badtrans.13312@mm virus in:

File Name:  C:\TEMP\hamster.ZIP.scr

Rok

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Did anyone else get that virus crap again?

Sincerely, 
Kevin Kostyszyn
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Re: Virus again

2001-06-28 Thread Terry Ball

Yeah, a reply came to something I posted yesterday with the virus
attached.

Terry

Kevin Kostyszyn wrote:

 Did anyone else get that virus crap again?

 Sincerely,
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Re: Virus again

2001-06-28 Thread Stephane Faroult

Kevin Kostyszyn wrote:
 
 Did anyone else get that virus crap again?
 
 Sincerely,
 Kevin Kostyszyn
 DBA
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I did, several times. Attachments seem to vary (their names, at least).

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Re: Virus again

2001-06-28 Thread MHately



Just got it. 3 posts in a row.
It seems to be replying directly to anyone who posts to the list.

Cheers,

Mike


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RE: Virus again

2001-06-28 Thread Loughmiller, Greg

yep... 

The boys in network admin initially said they would strip the virus-now
they have said that they are going to block email from the list.  

I mentioned why not block email from the user-and their response was that
other users from the list could get infected..  and exhibited an example
where individual here on a Fin Apps list got infected..

bummer..

greg

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Did anyone else get that virus crap again?

Sincerely, 
Kevin Kostyszyn
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RE: Virus again

2001-06-28 Thread Janardhana Babu
Title: RE: Virus again






I got the virus attachment received directly from DUSAN TICA ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) with subject: MULTIBLOCK-READS ARE OCCURRING. It is addressed to undisclosed-recipients. My mail server removed the attachment. Has anyone else got the similar Virus?

Sincerely,
-- Janardhana Babu


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Did anyone else get that virus crap again?


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RE: Virus again

2001-06-28 Thread Kevin Kostyszyn
Title: RE: Virus again



Interesting, i did not receive it from that person:?

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  I got the virus attachment received directly from DUSAN TICA 
  ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) with subject: MULTIBLOCK-READS ARE OCCURRING. It is 
  addressed to undisclosed-recipients. My mail server removed the attachment. 
  Has anyone else got the similar Virus?
  Sincerely, -- Janardhana Babu 
  
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  Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Virus 
  again 
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Re: Virus again

2001-06-28 Thread Greg Moore

 The boys in network admin initially said they would strip the virus-now
 they have said that they are going to block email from the list.

The boys  in network admin may be barking up the wrong tree.  As I
understand it, no email from the list contains a virus.

Even if the virus did come from the list, what kind of solution is this?  If
someone from your accounting department sends you an email that has a virus
are they going to block all email from accounting?  If a customer sends an
email with a virus are they going to block all email from customers?



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Re: Virus again

2001-06-28 Thread lyudah

Yes, no e-mail from the list contains virus.  The case is even worse:  he is
not attacking the list;  he attacks us(users of the list) personally one by
one.  There is definately an association between this list and the person
speading the virus because virus comes as a reply to the list posts.   I'd
like to ask a question:  are our e-mail addresses widely available to anyone
and there is nothing we can do about it?  I had an impression it wasn't the
case.  I would call it privacy violation(very strong statement, probably too
strong) or using technical list to do his durty business(more applicable to
the situation).  From now on I will think twice before signing up for
another list, posting messages, or replying to them.  Yes, you're right I
would not block my customers or friends e-mails because people who have any
respect for themselves would clean their machine up after becoming aware of
the virus. The problem here is that person has been notified by number of
people and he keeps doing it.  So, regardless on us individually blocking
his e-mails we need to get to the root of this problem and BLOCK that
person's access to the list.  It becomes clear he is doing it deliberatly.
Or you would say: 'Let him do it?'  That would not be a good sign
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  The boys in network admin initially said they would strip the
virus-now
  they have said that they are going to block email from the list.

 The boys  in network admin may be barking up the wrong tree.  As I
 understand it, no email from the list contains a virus.

 Even if the virus did come from the list, what kind of solution is this?
If
 someone from your accounting department sends you an email that has a
virus
 are they going to block all email from accounting?  If a customer sends an
 email with a virus are they going to block all email from customers?



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Re: Virus again

2001-06-28 Thread Greg Moore

 There is definately an association between this list and the person

The point remains that such a broad solution makes no sense.  If you get an
email from a customer and it has a virus, you could say there is definitely
an association between our customers and email with viruses.  But are you
going to stop all email from customers?

How about just stopping all email?  That would solve the problem.

Perhaps the boys in network admin need to work on a more focused solution
instead of cutting off a broad source of email.



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RE: Virus again

2001-06-28 Thread Bowes, Chris
Title: RE: Virus again





It's not a list privacy violation. At least it might not be. The problem is that you can get pretty much any email address (not all, but most) just by reading the sig lines. Others can be found by hitting reply and microsoft mail will put that in the reply footer. Also, harvesting from a list is pretty easy, just look for @ in the body of the message and grab the line. A quick scan will show which are email addresses and which are not. Delete the junk lines and you have a directory. I am not sure, but I believe the list was locked down so the subscriber list is not available. However, for those that publish, there are no good protections that I know of. 

--Chris
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Subject: Re: Virus again



Yes, no e-mail from the list contains virus. The case is even worse: he is
not attacking the list; he attacks us(users of the list) personally one by
one. There is definately an association between this list and the person
speading the virus because virus comes as a reply to the list posts. I'd
like to ask a question: are our e-mail addresses widely available to anyone
and there is nothing we can do about it? I had an impression it wasn't the
case. I would call it privacy violation(very strong statement, probably too
strong) or using technical list to do his durty business(more applicable to
the situation). From now on I will think twice before signing up for
another list, posting messages, or replying to them. Yes, you're right I
would not block my customers or friends e-mails because people who have any
respect for themselves would clean their machine up after becoming aware of
the virus. The problem here is that person has been notified by number of
people and he keeps doing it. So, regardless on us individually blocking
his e-mails we need to get to the root of this problem and BLOCK that
person's access to the list. It becomes clear he is doing it deliberatly.
Or you would say: 'Let him do it?' That would not be a good sign
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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 2:21 PM



  The boys in network admin initially said they would strip the
virus-now
  they have said that they are going to block email from the list.

 The boys in network admin may be barking up the wrong tree. As I
 understand it, no email from the list contains a virus.

 Even if the virus did come from the list, what kind of solution is this?
If
 someone from your accounting department sends you an email that has a
virus
 are they going to block all email from accounting? If a customer sends an
 email with a virus are they going to block all email from customers?



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Re: Virus again

2001-06-28 Thread lyudah

If I get e-mail from the customer with virus I'll inform him/her about the
virus.  99.9% of customers would eliminate the source of the virus.  If they
refuse to do so I would probably not want to deal with them even as
customers. It would not make any impact on the business if I lost 0.1% of my
customers and that action would actualy work for me because all good people
out there would  know I don't challenge my values.  It is like going to an
unsanitized doctor's office, catching something there and doctor's claiming:
'you didn't get it from my office you got it from one of my patients'.  That
is what doesn't make scence I can even handle annoying recruter's
e-mails but not e-mails with viruses.  Noone asks you to block ALL e-mails
but when the source of inconvinience has been identified why not to take
care of it?

Anyway, I am giving up.

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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  There is definately an association between this list and the person

 The point remains that such a broad solution makes no sense.  If you get
an
 email from a customer and it has a virus, you could say there is
definitely
 an association between our customers and email with viruses.  But are you
 going to stop all email from customers?

 How about just stopping all email?  That would solve the problem.

 Perhaps the boys in network admin need to work on a more focused solution
 instead of cutting off a broad source of email.



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