RE: books on data modelling
Thanks for all replies. Suren -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 5:58 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Handbook of Relational Database Design by Candace C. Fleming and Barbara von Halle is pretty solid.Not sure if its still in print or not though. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 2:36 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Richard Barker wrote a good book (Data Modelling) . There are also a few good books from James Martin, who has his own method for doing the data modelling. Also, any half way decent UML manual should explain the basics of the data modelling. Last, but not least, the books to read are Catch-22 by Joseph Heller, Doug Adamses Hitchiker's Guide to Galaxy and Heinlein's Stranger in the Strange Land. Without having read the last 3 books, one cannot grokk the depths of the data modelling. -Original Message- From: Tirumala, Surendra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 12:57 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: books on data modelling Hello All, I have been in the lookout for a good and comprehensive book on data modelling so that I can enhance my knowledge in this area. I am not finding anything related in online Oracle documentation. Please suggest me.. Thanks in Advance, Suren -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Tirumala, Surendra INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kimberly Smith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Tirumala, Surendra INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: books on data modelling
I've seen some data models where the only book they read was probably How To Smoke A Big Fat Pipe O' Crack. About the only book I've actually needed was Korth's Database System Concepts - all the rest of the knowledge needed is application-domain specific, for example, understanding how the real-world processes that use your data work. g -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 5:57 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hello All, I have been in the lookout for a good and comprehensive book on data modelling so that I can enhance my knowledge in this area. I am not finding anything related in online Oracle documentation. Please suggest me.. Thanks in Advance, Suren -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Guy Hammond INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: books on data modelling
I haven't yet seen a reference to David Hay's 'Data Model Patterns : Conventions of Thought'. If you haven't read and understood it, then sorry, you don't know data modeling. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0932633293/qid=996081527/sr=2-1/ref=aps_sr_b_1_1/104-1357679-6149513 'A Practical Guide to Logical Data Modeling' by George Tillman is also an excellent book. It will help you appreciate the importance of Data Modeling. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0070646155/qid=996081625/sr=1-4/ref=sc_b_4/104-1357679-6149513 It also contains one of my favorite IT quotes. To paraphrase: 'The reason that there is such a great need for Data Modelers is because developers are so bad at it.' You'll have to read the book to get the non-paraphrased version. Jared Guy Hammond guy.hammond@a To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] vt.co.ukcc: Sent by: Subject: RE: books on data modelling [EMAIL PROTECTED] om 07/25/01 09:50 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L I've seen some data models where the only book they read was probably How To Smoke A Big Fat Pipe O' Crack. About the only book I've actually needed was Korth's Database System Concepts - all the rest of the knowledge needed is application-domain specific, for example, understanding how the real-world processes that use your data work. g -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 5:57 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hello All, I have been in the lookout for a good and comprehensive book on data modelling so that I can enhance my knowledge in this area. I am not finding anything related in online Oracle documentation. Please suggest me.. Thanks in Advance, Suren -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Guy Hammond INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: books on data modelling
but you haven't lived until David Hay has made an origami animal for you :) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: books on data modelling Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:28:37 -0800 I haven't yet seen a reference to David Hay's 'Data Model Patterns : Conventions of Thought'. If you haven't read and understood it, then sorry, you don't know data modeling. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0932633293/qid=996081527/sr=2-1/ref=aps_sr_b_1_1/104-1357679-6149513 'A Practical Guide to Logical Data Modeling' by George Tillman is also an excellent book. It will help you appreciate the importance of Data Modeling. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0070646155/qid=996081625/sr=1-4/ref=sc_b_4/104-1357679-6149513 It also contains one of my favorite IT quotes. To paraphrase: 'The reason that there is such a great need for Data Modelers is because developers are so bad at it.' You'll have to read the book to get the non-paraphrased version. Jared Guy Hammond guy.hammond@a To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] vt.co.ukcc: Sent by: Subject: RE: books on data modelling [EMAIL PROTECTED] om 07/25/01 09:50 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L I've seen some data models where the only book they read was probably How To Smoke A Big Fat Pipe O' Crack. About the only book I've actually needed was Korth's Database System Concepts - all the rest of the knowledge needed is application-domain specific, for example, understanding how the real-world processes that use your data work. g -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 5:57 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hello All, I have been in the lookout for a good and comprehensive book on data modelling so that I can enhance my knowledge in this area. I am not finding anything related in online Oracle documentation. Please suggest me.. Thanks in Advance, Suren -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Guy Hammond INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: books on data modelling
Take a look at Data MOdeling Essentials by Simsion Coriolis -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 11:57 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hello All, I have been in the lookout for a good and comprehensive book on data modelling so that I can enhance my knowledge in this area. I am not finding anything related in online Oracle documentation. Please suggest me.. Thanks in Advance, Suren -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Tirumala, Surendra INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Bond Mike A Contr OC-ALC/TILC INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: books on data modelling
Richard Barker wrote a good book (Data Modelling) . There are also a few good books from James Martin, who has his own method for doing the data modelling. Also, any half way decent UML manual should explain the basics of the data modelling. Last, but not least, the books to read are Catch-22 by Joseph Heller, Doug Adamses Hitchiker's Guide to Galaxy and Heinlein's Stranger in the Strange Land. Without having read the last 3 books, one cannot grokk the depths of the data modelling. -Original Message- From: Tirumala, Surendra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 12:57 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: books on data modelling Hello All, I have been in the lookout for a good and comprehensive book on data modelling so that I can enhance my knowledge in this area. I am not finding anything related in online Oracle documentation. Please suggest me.. Thanks in Advance, Suren -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Tirumala, Surendra INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: books on data modelling
Handbook of Relational Database Design by Candace C. Fleming and Barbara von Halle is pretty solid.Not sure if its still in print or not though. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 2:36 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Richard Barker wrote a good book (Data Modelling) . There are also a few good books from James Martin, who has his own method for doing the data modelling. Also, any half way decent UML manual should explain the basics of the data modelling. Last, but not least, the books to read are Catch-22 by Joseph Heller, Doug Adamses Hitchiker's Guide to Galaxy and Heinlein's Stranger in the Strange Land. Without having read the last 3 books, one cannot grokk the depths of the data modelling. -Original Message- From: Tirumala, Surendra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 12:57 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: books on data modelling Hello All, I have been in the lookout for a good and comprehensive book on data modelling so that I can enhance my knowledge in this area. I am not finding anything related in online Oracle documentation. Please suggest me.. Thanks in Advance, Suren -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Tirumala, Surendra INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kimberly Smith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
