RE: comp.oracle.databases.server vs ORACLE-L: deathmatch
Funny, the threads on my MS Outlook at home never show up as threads... I
end up with little entries all over the place. Might as well rely on
e-mail.
The volume on the newsgroup is much higher, but perhaps as a result there is
a LOT of junk going through there, a lot of spam. Some of it is offensive,
nobody seems to be moderating that newsgroup at all. The listserv doesn't
have that problem, the last time someone sent job offers to the members of
this list, the sender received phone calls, and a flurry of e-mails to tell
him to cease and desist. On the newsgroup I haven't seen it happen. Maybe
if the spam was removed from the newsgroup, I would spend more time reading
its threads.
The threads also seem to cover a broader range of topics than this listserv
does. I prefer this list because I do database admin, and although I
subscribed to the ODTUG listserv for developers, I like to keep the two
areas separate (DBA and development).
Once in a while in the evening I access the newsgroup to see what is going
on there, but often I end up sifting through hundreds of entries, deleting
80% of them or more.
I agree that there are knowledgeable people on the newsgroup as well.
I prefer this listserv.
Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes
Technology Services| Services technologiques
Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique
Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO
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-Original Message-
From: Paul Drake [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 4:40 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject:comp.oracle.databases.server vs ORACLE-L: deathmatch
I have to say that the newsgroup comp.oracle.databases.server is
much
more NT Friendly.
(IOUG: Did anything happen from IOUG concerning the ORACLE-NT-L
mailing
list?)
Not just Jonathan Lewis, but Sybrand Baker, Howard Rodgers, Ricky
Sanchez put out some pretty good stuff.
I'd post to the ORACLE-L from work - but its a long story.
Basically, I'm subscribed at work in DIGEST mode, but I can't get
out of
it.
So I post when I get home from the home mail account that I can't
use
from work.
Yes, most of the newsgroup is junk, but lately, I'd say that the
signal-to-noise ratio is comperable to ORACLE-L.
Best thing is - its threaded. Email just plain sucks. Threading
rules
(not in an OS - just in messages).
and there's (practically) no lag.
So in a deathmatch, the interested newsgroup readers/posters would
have
won the competition 2 hours before the first post was received by
all
the ORACLE-L subscribers.
just my opinion.
the attached is typical for the material I see in the newsgroup.
Paul
Original Message
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 04:56:31 GMT
Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband pricing hikes
http://home.com/hike_revenue_faster
Newsgroups: comp.databases.oracle.server
References: u0SJ6.9519$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Syltrem wrote:
Hi!
When you shutdown an NT system, how do you ensure that the Oracle
DB is
shutdown properly?
Other than connecting manually and doing a shutdown immediate,
that is. I
would like the process of shutting down Oracle to be automatic.
Thanks!
--
If you installed the Oracle Administration Assistant for Windows NT,
there is a panel that contains a radio button as to selecting the
shutdown mode ('normal','immediate','abort').
to access it select:
Start - Programs - Oracle-Ora81 - Database Administration - Oracle
Administration Assistant for Windows NT
under the 'Databases' node, right click on the particular database
and
select startup shutdown options
in the Oracle Instance panel, you have a checkbox for Shut down
instance when service is stopped
under that is the radio button set for the shutdown options.
click ok - and close the MMC console.
If you are running W2K server or Pro - MMC is included.
If you are running NT4 - you need to have installed the MMC for the
Oracle Admin Asst plug-in.
hth,
Paul
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RE: comp.oracle.databases.server vs ORACLE-L: deathmatch
I just tried c.d.o.* (example news:comp.databases.oracle.server ) with Netscape 4.75, and threading works fine as far as I can tell. Based on what is stored of those newsgroups here (only goes back about 1 or 2 weeks), I didn't see any huge amount of spam. regards, ep On 14 May 2001, at 7:56, Boivin, Patrice J wrote: Date sent: Mon, 14 May 2001 07:56:13 -0800 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Funny, the threads on my MS Outlook at home never show up as threads... I end up with little entries all over the place. Might as well rely on e-mail. ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: comp.oracle.databases.server vs ORACLE-L: deathmatch
Eric D. Pierce wrote: As far as the Culture of any Oracle-NT-L, I can see the possible advantage of having some weighty expert personalities involved. The culture, and therefore utility, of an email list community is almost always enhanced when the list is created with a good core group of people that can provide a sense of leadership, purpose and vision. regards, ep uh oh. You want leadership, purpose and vision from users of Microsoft products? I think that I'll humbly retract the entire idea now. sorry. back to wishing that my db's were running on *nix. btw, LETS GO PENS!!! Paul -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Paul Drake INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: comp.oracle.databases.server vs ORACLE-L: deathmatch
Hi, Paul Drake schrieb: I have to say that the newsgroup comp.oracle.databases.server is much more NT Friendly. (IOUG: Did anything happen from IOUG concerning the ORACLE-NT-L mailing list?) Not just Jonathan Lewis, but Sybrand Baker, Howard Rodgers, Ricky Sanchez put out some pretty good stuff. well, I guess a lot of smaller shops run NT, so I think it's pretty obvious that you'll find more NT stuff. I don't have write access to the newsgroup since I can't use news at work and deja vu did a shutdown abort. I'd post to the ORACLE-L from work - but its a long story. Basically, I'm subscribed at work in DIGEST mode, but I can't get out of it. So I post when I get home from the home mail account that I can't use from work. Yes, most of the newsgroup is junk, but lately, I'd say that the signal-to-noise ratio is comperable to ORACLE-L. i think the signal-to-noise ratio is ok in the mailing list. Especially if you compare it to other newsgroups like comp.lang.java.*. There's so much trash in there. Best thing is - its threaded. Email just plain sucks. Threading rules (not in an OS - just in messages). and there's (practically) no lag. So in a deathmatch, the interested newsgroup readers/posters would have won the competition 2 hours before the first post was received by all the ORACLE-L subscribers. just my opinion. the attached is typical for the material I see in the newsgroup. Paul -- Regards, Stefan Jahnke BOV AG @:D2 Vodafone, Abt.: FIBM -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Stefan Jahnke INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: comp.oracle.databases.server vs ORACLE-L: deathmatch
Ah but is there as much humor there? Not really quibbling, I was on
comp.oracle.databases.server for a long time and will be going back (can you
say she won't be doing ANY work at all now?)
but how else can I LEARN??
Rachel
From: Paul Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: comp.oracle.databases.server vs ORACLE-L: deathmatch
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 23:40:20 -0800
I have to say that the newsgroup comp.oracle.databases.server is much
more NT Friendly.
(IOUG: Did anything happen from IOUG concerning the ORACLE-NT-L mailing
list?)
Not just Jonathan Lewis, but Sybrand Baker, Howard Rodgers, Ricky
Sanchez put out some pretty good stuff.
I'd post to the ORACLE-L from work - but its a long story.
Basically, I'm subscribed at work in DIGEST mode, but I can't get out of
it.
So I post when I get home from the home mail account that I can't use
from work.
Yes, most of the newsgroup is junk, but lately, I'd say that the
signal-to-noise ratio is comperable to ORACLE-L.
Best thing is - its threaded. Email just plain sucks. Threading rules
(not in an OS - just in messages).
and there's (practically) no lag.
So in a deathmatch, the interested newsgroup readers/posters would have
won the competition 2 hours before the first post was received by all
the ORACLE-L subscribers.
just my opinion.
the attached is typical for the material I see in the newsgroup.
Paul
Original Message
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 04:56:31 GMT
Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband pricing hikes
http://home.com/hike_revenue_faster
Newsgroups: comp.databases.oracle.server
References: u0SJ6.9519$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Syltrem wrote:
Hi!
When you shutdown an NT system, how do you ensure that the Oracle DB is
shutdown properly?
Other than connecting manually and doing a shutdown immediate, that is.
I
would like the process of shutting down Oracle to be automatic.
Thanks!
--
If you installed the Oracle Administration Assistant for Windows NT,
there is a panel that contains a radio button as to selecting the
shutdown mode ('normal','immediate','abort').
to access it select:
Start - Programs - Oracle-Ora81 - Database Administration - Oracle
Administration Assistant for Windows NT
under the 'Databases' node, right click on the particular database and
select startup shutdown options
in the Oracle Instance panel, you have a checkbox for Shut down
instance when service is stopped
under that is the radio button set for the shutdown options.
click ok - and close the MMC console.
If you are running W2K server or Pro - MMC is included.
If you are running NT4 - you need to have installed the MMC for the
Oracle Admin Asst plug-in.
hth,
Paul
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RE: comp.oracle.databases.server vs ORACLE-L: deathmatch
I go back to the newsgroup once every 2 to 6 months, just to see what the
topics tend to be there.
I don't follow it, because this listserv during the day is enough I think.
On the newsgroup the volume is such that I spend over an hour just deleting
pieces of threads... that's another problem, my MS Outlook at home doesn't
bundle threads, the entries are all broken up into separate entries. A real
nuisance.
The newsgroup is easy for people to find - a lot of people will head for the
newsgroups first when they have a question. To reach this listserv, you
almost need to know where to find it first, which means that the people on
this list tend to stay for longer periods of time, and people don't dart in
and out as much as on the newsgroup.
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes
Technology Services| Services technologiques
Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique
Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO
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-Original Message-
From: Rachel Carmichael [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 10:35 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject:Re: comp.oracle.databases.server vs ORACLE-L:
deathmatch
Ah but is there as much humor there? Not really quibbling, I was
on
comp.oracle.databases.server for a long time and will be going back
(can you
say she won't be doing ANY work at all now?)
but how else can I LEARN??
Rachel
From: Paul Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: comp.oracle.databases.server vs ORACLE-L: deathmatch
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 23:40:20 -0800
I have to say that the newsgroup comp.oracle.databases.server is
much
more NT Friendly.
(IOUG: Did anything happen from IOUG concerning the ORACLE-NT-L
mailing
list?)
Not just Jonathan Lewis, but Sybrand Baker, Howard Rodgers, Ricky
Sanchez put out some pretty good stuff.
I'd post to the ORACLE-L from work - but its a long story.
Basically, I'm subscribed at work in DIGEST mode, but I can't get
out of
it.
So I post when I get home from the home mail account that I can't
use
from work.
Yes, most of the newsgroup is junk, but lately, I'd say that the
signal-to-noise ratio is comperable to ORACLE-L.
Best thing is - its threaded. Email just plain sucks. Threading
rules
(not in an OS - just in messages).
and there's (practically) no lag.
So in a deathmatch, the interested newsgroup readers/posters would
have
won the competition 2 hours before the first post was received by
all
the ORACLE-L subscribers.
just my opinion.
the attached is typical for the material I see in the newsgroup.
Paul
Original Message
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 04:56:31 GMT
Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband pricing hikes
http://home.com/hike_revenue_faster
Newsgroups: comp.databases.oracle.server
References: u0SJ6.9519$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Syltrem wrote:
Hi!
When you shutdown an NT system, how do you ensure that the
Oracle DB is
shutdown properly?
Other than connecting manually and doing a shutdown immediate,
that is.
I
would like the process of shutting down Oracle to be automatic.
Thanks!
--
If you installed the Oracle Administration Assistant for Windows
NT,
there is a panel that contains a radio button as to selecting the
shutdown mode ('normal','immediate','abort').
to access it select:
Start - Programs - Oracle-Ora81 - Database Administration - Oracle
Administration Assistant for Windows NT
under the 'Databases' node, right click on the particular database
and
select startup shutdown options
in the Oracle Instance panel, you have a checkbox for Shut down
instance when service is stopped
under that is the radio button set for the shutdown options.
click ok - and close the MMC console.
If you are running W2K server or Pro - MMC is included.
If you are running NT4 - you need to have installed the MMC for the
Oracle Admin Asst plug-in.
hth,
Paul
--
Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com
--
Author: Paul Drake
RE: comp.oracle.databases.server vs ORACLE-L: deathmatch
Somehow I doubt that this list is difficult to find. Recently I saw a lot of
people asking questions on this list something like where can I find Oracle
docs.
Alex Hillman
-Original Message-
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 10:31 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
I go back to the newsgroup once every 2 to 6 months, just to see what the
topics tend to be there.
I don't follow it, because this listserv during the day is enough I think.
On the newsgroup the volume is such that I spend over an hour just deleting
pieces of threads... that's another problem, my MS Outlook at home doesn't
bundle threads, the entries are all broken up into separate entries. A real
nuisance.
The newsgroup is easy for people to find - a lot of people will head for the
newsgroups first when they have a question. To reach this listserv, you
almost need to know where to find it first, which means that the people on
this list tend to stay for longer periods of time, and people don't dart in
and out as much as on the newsgroup.
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes
Technology Services| Services technologiques
Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique
Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO
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-Original Message-
From: Rachel Carmichael [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 10:35 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject:Re: comp.oracle.databases.server vs ORACLE-L:
deathmatch
Ah but is there as much humor there? Not really quibbling, I was
on
comp.oracle.databases.server for a long time and will be going back
(can you
say she won't be doing ANY work at all now?)
but how else can I LEARN??
Rachel
From: Paul Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: comp.oracle.databases.server vs ORACLE-L: deathmatch
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 23:40:20 -0800
I have to say that the newsgroup comp.oracle.databases.server is
much
more NT Friendly.
(IOUG: Did anything happen from IOUG concerning the ORACLE-NT-L
mailing
list?)
Not just Jonathan Lewis, but Sybrand Baker, Howard Rodgers, Ricky
Sanchez put out some pretty good stuff.
I'd post to the ORACLE-L from work - but its a long story.
Basically, I'm subscribed at work in DIGEST mode, but I can't get
out of
it.
So I post when I get home from the home mail account that I can't
use
from work.
Yes, most of the newsgroup is junk, but lately, I'd say that the
signal-to-noise ratio is comperable to ORACLE-L.
Best thing is - its threaded. Email just plain sucks. Threading
rules
(not in an OS - just in messages).
and there's (practically) no lag.
So in a deathmatch, the interested newsgroup readers/posters would
have
won the competition 2 hours before the first post was received by
all
the ORACLE-L subscribers.
just my opinion.
the attached is typical for the material I see in the newsgroup.
Paul
Original Message
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 04:56:31 GMT
Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband pricing hikes
http://home.com/hike_revenue_faster
Newsgroups: comp.databases.oracle.server
References: u0SJ6.9519$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Syltrem wrote:
Hi!
When you shutdown an NT system, how do you ensure that the
Oracle DB is
shutdown properly?
Other than connecting manually and doing a shutdown immediate,
that is.
I
would like the process of shutting down Oracle to be automatic.
Thanks!
--
If you installed the Oracle Administration Assistant for Windows
NT,
there is a panel that contains a radio button as to selecting the
shutdown mode ('normal','immediate','abort').
to access it select:
Start - Programs - Oracle-Ora81 - Database Administration - Oracle
Administration Assistant for Windows NT
under the 'Databases' node, right click on the particular database
and
select startup shutdown options
in the Oracle Instance panel, you have a checkbox for Shut down
instance when service is stopped
under that is the radio button set for the shutdown options.
click ok - and close the MMC console.
If you are running W2K server or Pro - MMC
Re: comp.oracle.databases.server vs ORACLE-L: deathmatch
Paul, I haven't look at newsgroup c.o.d.s. for a long time, basically because I got out of the habit of looking at newsgroups, the messaging formatting and software needed seems a little unnatural (convoluted) compared to email. But, I'll admit to laziness. I have enough on my hands just trying to read all the Oracle-NT documentation. :) Anyway, why wait for IOUG to start a ORACLE-NT-L? As far as technical issues goes, it could easily be done on yahoo groups (formerly egroups.com) or some similar free site (e.g., http://www.escribe.com/ ???), or fatcity (which I know you feel is a bit unreliable/unperformant). I know that Jared felt uncomfortable with the old eGroups.com TOS (terms of service), and after I read them, I also felt that some of the vague/legalistic terminology sounded like it might be funny. For instance, pat of the eGroups.com TOS sounds like it is saying that they have rights to claim ownership of the content of all material posted, etc. I don't know if Jared had other concerns than privacy ones. As far as the Culture of any Oracle-NT-L, I can see the possible advantage of having some weighty expert personalities involved. The culture, and therefore utility, of an email list community is almost always enhanced when the list is created with a good core group of people that can provide a sense of leadership, purpose and vision. regards, ep On 9 May 2001, at 23:40, Paul Drake wrote: Date sent: Wed, 09 May 2001 23:40:20 -0800 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have to say that the newsgroup comp.oracle.databases.server is much more NT Friendly. (IOUG: Did anything happen from IOUG concerning the ORACLE-NT-L mailing list?) Not just Jonathan Lewis, but Sybrand Baker, Howard Rodgers, Ricky Sanchez put out some pretty good stuff. ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
OT RE: comp.oracle.databases.server vs ORACLE-L: deathmatch
I don't want anyone grabbing my content, thank you very much. Bunch a rat bastard, mind-maggoting sh*tballs. || -Original Message- || From: Eric D. Pierce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 1:56 PM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || Subject: Re: comp.oracle.databases.server vs ORACLE-L: deathmatch || || || Paul, || || I haven't look at newsgroup c.o.d.s. for a long time, basically || because I got out of the habit of looking at newsgroups, the || messaging formatting and software needed seems a little unnatural || (convoluted) compared to email. But, I'll admit to laziness. I have || enough on my hands just trying to read all the Oracle-NT || documentation. :) || || Anyway, why wait for IOUG to start a ORACLE-NT-L? || || As far as technical issues goes, it could easily be done on yahoo || groups (formerly egroups.com) or some similar free site (e.g., || http://www.escribe.com/ ???), or fatcity (which I know you feel is a || bit unreliable/unperformant). I know that Jared felt uncomfortable || with the old eGroups.com TOS (terms of service), and after I read || them, I also felt that some of the vague/legalistic terminology || sounded like it might be funny. For instance, pat of the || eGroups.com TOS sounds like it is saying that they have rights to || claim ownership of the content of all material posted, etc. I don't || know if Jared had other concerns than privacy ones. || || As far as the Culture of any Oracle-NT-L, I can see the possible || advantage of having some weighty expert personalities || involved. The || culture, and therefore utility, of an email list community is || almost always enhanced when the list is created with a good core || group of people that can provide a sense of leadership, purpose and || vision. || || regards, || ep || || || On 9 May 2001, at 23:40, Paul Drake wrote: || || Date sent: Wed, 09 May 2001 23:40:20 -0800 || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || || I have to say that the newsgroup || comp.oracle.databases.server is much || more NT Friendly. || (IOUG: Did anything happen from IOUG concerning the || ORACLE-NT-L mailing || list?) || Not just Jonathan Lewis, but Sybrand Baker, Howard Rodgers, Ricky || Sanchez put out some pretty good stuff. || || ... || || || -- || Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com || -- || Author: Eric D. Pierce || INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || || Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 || San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / || Mailing Lists || || To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message || to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in || the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L || (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may || also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). || -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: OT RE: comp.oracle.databases.server vs ORACLE-L: deathmatch
Ross, You're so shy and reserved today... what gives? ;) --- Mohan, Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't want anyone grabbing my content, thank you very much. Bunch a rat bastard, mind-maggoting sh*tballs. || -Original Message- || From: Eric D. Pierce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 1:56 PM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || Subject: Re: comp.oracle.databases.server vs ORACLE-L: deathmatch || || || Paul, || || I haven't look at newsgroup c.o.d.s. for a long time, basically || because I got out of the habit of looking at newsgroups, the || messaging formatting and software needed seems a little unnatural || (convoluted) compared to email. But, I'll admit to laziness. I have || enough on my hands just trying to read all the Oracle-NT || documentation. :) || || Anyway, why wait for IOUG to start a ORACLE-NT-L? || || As far as technical issues goes, it could easily be done on yahoo || groups (formerly egroups.com) or some similar free site (e.g., || http://www.escribe.com/ ???), or fatcity (which I know you feel is a || bit unreliable/unperformant). I know that Jared felt uncomfortable || with the old eGroups.com TOS (terms of service), and after I read || them, I also felt that some of the vague/legalistic terminology || sounded like it might be funny. For instance, pat of the || eGroups.com TOS sounds like it is saying that they have rights to || claim ownership of the content of all material posted, etc. I don't || know if Jared had other concerns than privacy ones. || || As far as the Culture of any Oracle-NT-L, I can see the possible || advantage of having some weighty expert personalities || involved. The || culture, and therefore utility, of an email list community is || almost always enhanced when the list is created with a good core || group of people that can provide a sense of leadership, purpose and || vision. || || regards, || ep || || || On 9 May 2001, at 23:40, Paul Drake wrote: || || Date sent: Wed, 09 May 2001 23:40:20 -0800 || To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || || I have to say that the newsgroup || comp.oracle.databases.server is much || more NT Friendly. || (IOUG: Did anything happen from IOUG concerning the || ORACLE-NT-L mailing || list?) || Not just Jonathan Lewis, but Sybrand Baker, Howard Rodgers, Ricky || Sanchez put out some pretty good stuff. || || ... || || || -- || Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com || -- || Author: Eric D. Pierce || INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || || Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 || San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / || Mailing Lists || || To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message || to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in || the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L || (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may || also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). || -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: A. Bardeen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: OT RE: comp.oracle.databases.server vs ORACLE-L: deathmatch
Which do you suppose is Oracle's definition for the acronym TAR? Terrain Avoidance Radar? Threat Assessment Report?? http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?p=dictString=exactAcronym=TAR Mohan, Ross wrote: LoL! OK, I'm sorry. I'm debugging a dictionary cache explosion problem, and support just informed me that any/all of my questions cannot be answered because they are INTERNAL SECRETS. Yea right; maybe this year, until a smart guy who cares (like Steve Adams or Jonathan Lewis or ) figures them out, or they are published in the next Concepts manual.) So, I am in send me continuous 1 Gigabyte dumps and just shut up and sit on yer hands mode. Up until this, I haven't filed a TAR -- a lie, oxymoron, and hint all wrapped in one (the lie is that you'll get any technical information, the oxymoron is that the acronym implies the word action and the hint is the word request) -- in about a year, and now I remember why. There. I'm better now. Having problems I can't fix (because they are self-tuning) and paid support that doesn't really tweaks me right out. - Ross p.s. There are, as we know, a handful MAGICALLY WONDERFUL support people at OWS. You and I both know one in common. But they are few and far between, and deucedly hard to find. || -Original Message- || From: A. Bardeen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 3:26 PM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || Subject: Re: OT RE: comp.oracle.databases.server vs || ORACLE-L: deathmatch || || || Ross, || || You're so shy and reserved today... what gives? ;) || || --- Mohan, Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: || I don't want anyone grabbing my content, thank you || very much. || || Bunch a rat bastard, mind-maggoting sh*tballs. || || || -Original Message- || || From: Eric D. Pierce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || || Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 1:56 PM || || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || Subject: Re: comp.oracle.databases.server vs || ORACLE-L: deathmatch || || || || || || Paul, || || || || I haven't look at newsgroup c.o.d.s. for a long || time, basically || || because I got out of the habit of looking at || newsgroups, the || || messaging formatting and software needed seems a || little unnatural || || (convoluted) compared to email. But, I'll admit || to laziness. I have || || enough on my hands just trying to read all the || Oracle-NT || || documentation. :) || || || || Anyway, why wait for IOUG to start a ORACLE-NT-L? || || || || As far as technical issues goes, it could easily || be done on yahoo || || groups (formerly egroups.com) or some similar || free site (e.g., || || http://www.escribe.com/ ???), or fatcity (which I || know you feel is a || || bit unreliable/unperformant). I know that Jared || felt uncomfortable || || with the old eGroups.com TOS (terms of || service), and after I read || || them, I also felt that some of the || vague/legalistic terminology || || sounded like it might be funny. For instance, || pat of the || || eGroups.com TOS sounds like it is saying that || they have rights to || || claim ownership of the content of all material || posted, etc. I don't || || know if Jared had other concerns than privacy || ones. || || || || As far as the Culture of any Oracle-NT-L, I can || see the possible || || advantage of having some weighty expert || personalities || || involved. The || || culture, and therefore utility, of an email || list community is || || almost always enhanced when the list is created || with a good core || || group of people that can provide a sense of || leadership, purpose and || || vision. || || || || regards, || || ep || || || || || || On 9 May 2001, at 23:40, Paul Drake wrote: || || || || Date sent: Wed, 09 May 2001 23:40:20 -0800 || || To: Multiple recipients of list || ORACLE-L || || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || || || || I have to say that the newsgroup || || comp.oracle.databases.server is much || || more NT Friendly. || || (IOUG: Did anything happen from IOUG concerning || the || || ORACLE-NT-L mailing || || list?) || || Not just Jonathan Lewis, but Sybrand Baker, || Howard Rodgers, Ricky || || Sanchez put out some pretty good stuff. || || || || ... || || || || || || -- || || Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: || http://www.orafaq.com || || -- || || Author: Eric D. Pierce || || INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || || || || Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 || FAX: (858) 538-5051 || || San Diego, California-- Public Internet || access / || || Mailing Lists || || || || || || To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send || an E-Mail message || || to: [EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: OT RE: comp.oracle.databases.server vs ORACLE-L: deathmatch
System Help Is Terrible. (oops, sorry, wrong acronym) gosh, but I'm having a b a a a a a a a a dday. || -Original Message- || From: SuzyV [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 5:53 PM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || Subject: Re: OT RE: comp.oracle.databases.server vs || ORACLE-L: deathmatch || || || || Which do you suppose is Oracle's definition for the acronym || TAR? Terrain || Avoidance Radar? Threat Assessment Report?? || || http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?p=dictString=exact || Acronym=TAR || || || Mohan, Ross wrote: || || LoL! OK, I'm sorry. || || I'm debugging a dictionary cache explosion problem, and || support just informed me that any/all of my questions || cannot be answered because they are INTERNAL SECRETS. || || Yea right; maybe this year, until a smart guy who cares || (like Steve Adams or Jonathan Lewis or ) figures them || out, or they are published in the next Concepts manual.) || So, I am in send me continuous 1 Gigabyte dumps and just || shut up and sit on yer hands mode. || || Up until this, I haven't filed a TAR -- a lie, || oxymoron, and hint all wrapped in one (the lie is || that you'll get any technical information, the oxymoron || is that the acronym implies the word action and || the hint is the word request) -- in about a year, || and now I remember why. || || There. I'm better now. || || Having problems I can't fix (because they are self-tuning) || and paid support that doesn't really tweaks me right out. || || - Ross || || p.s. There are, as we know, a handful MAGICALLY WONDERFUL || support people at OWS. You and I both know one in common. But || they are few and far between, and deucedly hard to find. || || || -Original Message- || || From: A. Bardeen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || || Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 3:26 PM || || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || Subject: Re: OT RE: comp.oracle.databases.server vs || || ORACLE-L: deathmatch || || || || || || Ross, || || || || You're so shy and reserved today... what gives? ;) || || || || --- Mohan, Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: || || I don't want anyone grabbing my content, thank you || || very much. || || || || Bunch a rat bastard, mind-maggoting sh*tballs. || || || || || -Original Message- || || || From: Eric D. Pierce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || || || Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 1:56 PM || || || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || Subject: Re: comp.oracle.databases.server vs || || ORACLE-L: deathmatch || || || || || || || || || Paul, || || || || || || I haven't look at newsgroup c.o.d.s. for a long || || time, basically || || || because I got out of the habit of looking at || || newsgroups, the || || || messaging formatting and software needed seems a || || little unnatural || || || (convoluted) compared to email. But, I'll admit || || to laziness. I have || || || enough on my hands just trying to read all the || || Oracle-NT || || || documentation. :) || || || || || || Anyway, why wait for IOUG to start a ORACLE-NT-L? || || || || || || As far as technical issues goes, it could easily || || be done on yahoo || || || groups (formerly egroups.com) or some similar || || free site (e.g., || || || http://www.escribe.com/ ???), or fatcity (which I || || know you feel is a || || || bit unreliable/unperformant). I know that Jared || || felt uncomfortable || || || with the old eGroups.com TOS (terms of || || service), and after I read || || || them, I also felt that some of the || || vague/legalistic terminology || || || sounded like it might be funny. For instance, || || pat of the || || || eGroups.com TOS sounds like it is saying that || || they have rights to || || || claim ownership of the content of all material || || posted, etc. I don't || || || know if Jared had other concerns than privacy || || ones. || || || || || || As far as the Culture of any Oracle-NT-L, I can || || see the possible || || || advantage of having some weighty expert || || personalities || || || involved. The || || || culture, and therefore utility, of an email || || list community is || || || almost always enhanced when the list is created || || with a good core || || || group of people that can provide a sense of || || leadership, purpose and || || || vision. || || || || || || regards, || || || ep || || || || || || || || || On 9 May 2001, at 23:40, Paul Drake wrote: || || || || || || Date sent: Wed, 09 May 2001 23:40:20 -0800 || || || To: Multiple recipients of list || || ORACLE-L || || || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || || || || || || I have to say that the newsgroup || || || comp.oracle.databases.server is much || || || more NT Friendly. || || || (IOUG: Did anything happen from
