RE: Tablespace (datafile reducing)

2001-09-14 Thread Christopher Spence

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Having too many datafiles is not good for performance,
updating datafile headers during checkpointing.

I disagree, unless you have an unreasonable amount, there is minor almost
not noticeable difference.

Tests have been done on many databases with 3500+ data files and shown the
difference to be insignificant.

Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes.

Christopher R. Spence 
Oracle DBA
Phone: (978) 322-5744
Fax:(707) 885-2275

Fuelspot
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Kishore,

Having too many datafiles is not good for performance,
updating datafile headers during checkpointing.

If you are on 8i you can create a 2GB tablespace, and use
the alter table move command to move all the tables in that tablespace
to the new 2GB tablespace. All associated indexes will become unusable,
so make sure you alter index rebuild ...

If the tablespace has indexes rather than tables then you could
do a alter index rebuild ... to move them to the new tablespace.

If you are not on 8i then you can use export/ import.
Export all tables in the tablespace,
Drop the tables,
Drop the tablespace,
Recreate new tablespace (same name) with single datafile,
Import all tables

Regards
Suhen



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Hello DBAs

I  have a tablespace , who has 10 datafiles of 200MB
each, it was here before I even joined. I was thinking
for the contention and want to combine them all to one
single large datafile of 2gig.

How do I get rid off all those datafiles and ghet them
in one large datafiles??

Any help in this regard

Thank you very much

Kishore

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RE: Tablespace (datafile reducing)

2001-09-14 Thread Christopher Spence

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Generally more smaller data files is better than fewer larger ones.

There is no performance problem with having 10 200Mb data files rather than
1 2gb data file.  In fact, using 10 200mb data files will help a little when
it comes to file locking.

Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes.

Christopher R. Spence 
Oracle DBA
Phone: (978) 322-5744
Fax:(707) 885-2275

Fuelspot
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North, Chelmsford 01863
 


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I  have a tablespace , who has 10 datafiles of 200MB
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for the contention and want to combine them all to one
single large datafile of 2gig.

How do I get rid off all those datafiles and ghet them
in one large datafiles??

Any help in this regard

Thank you very much

Kishore

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RE: Tablespace (datafile reducing)

2001-09-14 Thread Deshpande, Kirti

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 Tests have been done on many databases with 3500+ data files and shown
the
  difference to be insignificant.

Chris,
Can you pl point me to the doc/web site etc. where this is reported. 
I am having to deal with such an issue with one of my databases that has
less than 500 files, but the number is growing rapidly.. 

Thanks.

- Kirti Deshpande 
  Verizon Information Services
   http://www.superpages.com

 -Original Message-
 From: Christopher Spence [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 8:50 AM
 To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject:  RE: Tablespace (datafile reducing)
 
 !! Please do not post Off Topic to this List !!
 
 Having too many datafiles is not good for performance,
 updating datafile headers during checkpointing.
 
 I disagree, unless you have an unreasonable amount, there is minor almost
 not noticeable difference.
 
 Tests have been done on many databases with 3500+ data files and shown the
 difference to be insignificant.
 
 Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
 when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes.
 
 Christopher R. Spence 
 Oracle DBA
 Phone: (978) 322-5744
 Fax:(707) 885-2275
 
 Fuelspot
 73 Princeton Street
 North, Chelmsford 01863
  
 
 
 -Original Message-
 Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:55 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 !! Please do not post Off Topic to this List !!
 
 Kishore,
 
 Having too many datafiles is not good for performance,
 updating datafile headers during checkpointing.
 
 If you are on 8i you can create a 2GB tablespace, and use
 the alter table move command to move all the tables in that tablespace
 to the new 2GB tablespace. All associated indexes will become unusable,
 so make sure you alter index rebuild ...
 
 If the tablespace has indexes rather than tables then you could
 do a alter index rebuild ... to move them to the new tablespace.
 
 If you are not on 8i then you can use export/ import.
 Export all tables in the tablespace,
 Drop the tables,
 Drop the tablespace,
 Recreate new tablespace (same name) with single datafile,
 Import all tables
 
 Regards
 Suhen
 
 
 
 !! Please do not post Off Topic to this List !!
 
 Hello DBAs
 
 I  have a tablespace , who has 10 datafiles of 200MB
 each, it was here before I even joined. I was thinking
 for the contention and want to combine them all to one
 single large datafile of 2gig.
 
 How do I get rid off all those datafiles and ghet them
 in one large datafiles??
 
 Any help in this regard
 
 Thank you very much
 
 Kishore
 
 
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RE: Tablespace (datafile reducing)

2001-09-14 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F

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Chris,

Are these tests results published someplace?

Tests have been done on many databases with 3500+ data files and shown the
difference to be insignificant.


Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional


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!! Please do not post Off Topic to this List !!

Having too many datafiles is not good for performance,
updating datafile headers during checkpointing.

I disagree, unless you have an unreasonable amount, there is minor almost
not noticeable difference.

Tests have been done on many databases with 3500+ data files and shown the
difference to be insignificant.

Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes.

Christopher R. Spence 
Oracle DBA
Phone: (978) 322-5744
Fax:(707) 885-2275

Fuelspot
73 Princeton Street
North, Chelmsford 01863
 


-Original Message-
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:55 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

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Kishore,

Having too many datafiles is not good for performance,
updating datafile headers during checkpointing.

If you are on 8i you can create a 2GB tablespace, and use
the alter table move command to move all the tables in that tablespace
to the new 2GB tablespace. All associated indexes will become unusable,
so make sure you alter index rebuild ...

If the tablespace has indexes rather than tables then you could
do a alter index rebuild ... to move them to the new tablespace.

If you are not on 8i then you can use export/ import.
Export all tables in the tablespace,
Drop the tables,
Drop the tablespace,
Recreate new tablespace (same name) with single datafile,
Import all tables

Regards
Suhen



!! Please do not post Off Topic to this List !!

Hello DBAs

I  have a tablespace , who has 10 datafiles of 200MB
each, it was here before I even joined. I was thinking
for the contention and want to combine them all to one
single large datafile of 2gig.

How do I get rid off all those datafiles and ghet them
in one large datafiles??

Any help in this regard

Thank you very much

Kishore

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RE: Tablespace (datafile reducing)

2001-09-14 Thread Mark Leith

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There is no performance problem with having 10 200Mb data files rather than
1 2gb data file.  In fact, using 10 200mb data files will help a little when
it comes to file locking.

and recovery..

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!! Please do not post Off Topic to this List !!

Generally more smaller data files is better than fewer larger ones.

There is no performance problem with having 10 200Mb data files rather than
1 2gb data file.  In fact, using 10 200mb data files will help a little when
it comes to file locking.

Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes.

Christopher R. Spence
Oracle DBA
Phone: (978) 322-5744
Fax:(707) 885-2275

Fuelspot
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North, Chelmsford 01863



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Hello DBAs

I  have a tablespace , who has 10 datafiles of 200MB
each, it was here before I even joined. I was thinking
for the contention and want to combine them all to one
single large datafile of 2gig.

How do I get rid off all those datafiles and ghet them
in one large datafiles??

Any help in this regard

Thank you very much

Kishore

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RE: Tablespace (datafile reducing)

2001-09-14 Thread Christopher Spence

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Someone posted a test they did from this list, some reason I believe it was
John, but I can't remember 100%.  If the person who did this test on the
list please come forward, I remember this discussion, but I may even do it
on one of my test boxes at home to simulate it again.

Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes.

Christopher R. Spence 
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 Tests have been done on many databases with 3500+ data files and shown
the
  difference to be insignificant.

Chris,
Can you pl point me to the doc/web site etc. where this is reported. 
I am having to deal with such an issue with one of my databases that has
less than 500 files, but the number is growing rapidly.. 

Thanks.

- Kirti Deshpande 
  Verizon Information Services
   http://www.superpages.com

 -Original Message-
 From: Christopher Spence [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 8:50 AM
 To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject:  RE: Tablespace (datafile reducing)
 
 !! Please do not post Off Topic to this List !!
 
 Having too many datafiles is not good for performance,
 updating datafile headers during checkpointing.
 
 I disagree, unless you have an unreasonable amount, there is minor almost
 not noticeable difference.
 
 Tests have been done on many databases with 3500+ data files and shown the
 difference to be insignificant.
 
 Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
 when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes.
 
 Christopher R. Spence 
 Oracle DBA
 Phone: (978) 322-5744
 Fax:(707) 885-2275
 
 Fuelspot
 73 Princeton Street
 North, Chelmsford 01863
  
 
 
 -Original Message-
 Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:55 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 !! Please do not post Off Topic to this List !!
 
 Kishore,
 
 Having too many datafiles is not good for performance,
 updating datafile headers during checkpointing.
 
 If you are on 8i you can create a 2GB tablespace, and use
 the alter table move command to move all the tables in that tablespace
 to the new 2GB tablespace. All associated indexes will become unusable,
 so make sure you alter index rebuild ...
 
 If the tablespace has indexes rather than tables then you could
 do a alter index rebuild ... to move them to the new tablespace.
 
 If you are not on 8i then you can use export/ import.
 Export all tables in the tablespace,
 Drop the tables,
 Drop the tablespace,
 Recreate new tablespace (same name) with single datafile,
 Import all tables
 
 Regards
 Suhen
 
 
 
 !! Please do not post Off Topic to this List !!
 
 Hello DBAs
 
 I  have a tablespace , who has 10 datafiles of 200MB
 each, it was here before I even joined. I was thinking
 for the contention and want to combine them all to one
 single large datafile of 2gig.
 
 How do I get rid off all those datafiles and ghet them
 in one large datafiles??
 
 Any help in this regard
 
 Thank you very much
 
 Kishore
 
 
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RE: Tablespace (datafile reducing)

2001-09-14 Thread Gene Sais

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Datafile sizing is also dependent on the size of your db.  I use 10gb datafile size's 
for a 1tb database.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/14/01 09:50AM 
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Generally more smaller data files is better than fewer larger ones.

There is no performance problem with having 10 200Mb data files rather than
1 2gb data file.  In fact, using 10 200mb data files will help a little when
it comes to file locking.

Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes.

Christopher R. Spence 
Oracle DBA
Phone: (978) 322-5744
Fax:(707) 885-2275

Fuelspot
73 Princeton Street
North, Chelmsford 01863
 


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Hello DBAs

I  have a tablespace , who has 10 datafiles of 200MB
each, it was here before I even joined. I was thinking
for the contention and want to combine them all to one
single large datafile of 2gig.

How do I get rid off all those datafiles and ghet them
in one large datafiles??

Any help in this regard

Thank you very much

Kishore

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RE: Tablespace (datafile reducing)

2001-09-14 Thread Christopher Spence

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I know a few people (actually on the LazyDBA list) have done tests and each
time they have said the checkpoint time has been insignificantly altered.

I cannot say I have done these tests, and go by the theory of using smaller
data files rather than larger ones for portability and locking reasons.  I
never see any problems with checking pointing due to size.

I hope some of the people who have played with this are around and have the
results.  I do not have anything official to offer on this as I am merely
going off what other people have said that have tried it, and the
experiences I have had (although not with that many data files).

If no one steps up, I may put together some test environment to put concrete
fact either way.

Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes.

Christopher R. Spence 
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Fax:(707) 885-2275

Fuelspot
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Chris,

Are these tests results published someplace?

Tests have been done on many databases with 3500+ data files and shown the
difference to be insignificant.


Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional


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Having too many datafiles is not good for performance,
updating datafile headers during checkpointing.

I disagree, unless you have an unreasonable amount, there is minor almost
not noticeable difference.

Tests have been done on many databases with 3500+ data files and shown the
difference to be insignificant.

Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes.

Christopher R. Spence 
Oracle DBA
Phone: (978) 322-5744
Fax:(707) 885-2275

Fuelspot
73 Princeton Street
North, Chelmsford 01863
 


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Kishore,

Having too many datafiles is not good for performance,
updating datafile headers during checkpointing.

If you are on 8i you can create a 2GB tablespace, and use
the alter table move command to move all the tables in that tablespace
to the new 2GB tablespace. All associated indexes will become unusable,
so make sure you alter index rebuild ...

If the tablespace has indexes rather than tables then you could
do a alter index rebuild ... to move them to the new tablespace.

If you are not on 8i then you can use export/ import.
Export all tables in the tablespace,
Drop the tables,
Drop the tablespace,
Recreate new tablespace (same name) with single datafile,
Import all tables

Regards
Suhen



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Hello DBAs

I  have a tablespace , who has 10 datafiles of 200MB
each, it was here before I even joined. I was thinking
for the contention and want to combine them all to one
single large datafile of 2gig.

How do I get rid off all those datafiles and ghet them
in one large datafiles??

Any help in this regard

Thank you very much

Kishore

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Re: Tablespace (datafile reducing)

2001-09-14 Thread Anjan Thakuria


Chris,
"Generally more smaller data files is better
than fewer larger ones." Can
you pl let me know if there is any paper or something throwing light on
this.
Thanks
Anjan
Gene Sais wrote:
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Datafile sizing is also dependent on the size of your db. I use
10gb datafile size's for a 1tb database.
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Generally more smaller data files is better than fewer larger ones.
There is no performance problem with having 10 200Mb data files rather
than
1 2gb data file. In fact, using 10 200mb data files will help
a little when
it comes to file locking.
"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that
way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."
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How do I get rid off all those datafiles and ghet them
in one large datafiles??
Any help in this regard
Thank you very much
Kishore
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Re: Tablespace (datafile reducing)

2001-09-14 Thread Don Granaman

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And I have built TB+ sized databases using no datafiles larger than 2 GB.  At
this level, larger files are worthy of consideration, but they are certainly not
required - or even critical.  It depends...

-Don Granaman
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Datafile sizing is also dependent on the size of your db.  I use 10gb datafile
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RE: Tablespace (datafile reducing)

2001-09-13 Thread Post, Ethan

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Create a new tablespace and move the objects to it using alter table move or
imp/exp.  If you need to use the same tablespace then you need to export,
drop tablespace, recreate with one datafile, import. - E

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for the contention and want to combine them all to one
single large datafile of 2gig.

How do I get rid off all those datafiles and ghet them
in one large datafiles??

Any help in this regard

Thank you very much

Kishore

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RE: Tablespace (datafile reducing)

2001-09-13 Thread Suhen Pather

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Kishore,

Having too many datafiles is not good for performance,
updating datafile headers during checkpointing.

If you are on 8i you can create a 2GB tablespace, and use
the alter table move command to move all the tables in that tablespace
to the new 2GB tablespace. All associated indexes will become unusable,
so make sure you alter index rebuild ...

If the tablespace has indexes rather than tables then you could
do a alter index rebuild ... to move them to the new tablespace.

If you are not on 8i then you can use export/ import.
Export all tables in the tablespace,
Drop the tables,
Drop the tablespace,
Recreate new tablespace (same name) with single datafile,
Import all tables

Regards
Suhen



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Hello DBAs

I  have a tablespace , who has 10 datafiles of 200MB
each, it was here before I even joined. I was thinking
for the contention and want to combine them all to one
single large datafile of 2gig.

How do I get rid off all those datafiles and ghet them
in one large datafiles??

Any help in this regard

Thank you very much

Kishore

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