Re: SQL*Plus in 10i

2002-09-03 Thread Dwayne Cox

Concerning gqlplus

I spoke to the author about this issue and he is supposed to be addressing
it.  I still find it useful and hope he fixes this problem soon.

-D-


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 Just tried it.
 
 Took 5 minutes to break it with this:
 
   set sqlprompt  'umachine - who_var@instance_var SQL '
 
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 Whoa, I've been looking for something like this. Is it any good?
 
 

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RE: SQL*Plus in 10i

2002-09-02 Thread Karniotis, Stephen

Have not heard from Oracle as of yet regarding removing the SQL*Plus
interface.  To my knowledge, there are extensive enhancements being made to
SQL*Plus.

Thank You

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They are going to have iSQL*Plus (or however it's spelled) and you can use
that (and OEM)
for startup and shutdown. The SQL*Plus text and windows clinet I hear will
be gone.

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oradim -startup -sid sid -pfile pfile_path ???

They got rid of SVRMGR.

ltiu 

On Friday 30 August 2002 11:08, you wrote:
 How do they expect you to start and stop the database if it goes away?
 and please don't say OEM...

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SQL*Plus in 10i

2002-08-30 Thread Freeman, Robert

Anyone else hear that SQL*Plus is going away in 10i??


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RE: SQL*Plus in 10i

2002-08-30 Thread Ji, Richard

Are you kidding?  So what do we use to startup and shutdown db?  OEM?
I don't think there is any truth to this one.

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Anyone else hear that SQL*Plus is going away in 10i??


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Re: SQL*Plus in 10i

2002-08-30 Thread Rachel Carmichael

How do they expect you to start and stop the database if it goes away?
and please don't say OEM...


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Re: SQL*Plus in 10i

2002-08-30 Thread ltiu

Nooo!!!

On Friday 30 August 2002 09:23, Freeman, Robert wrote:
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Re: SQL*Plus in 10i

2002-08-30 Thread Jan Pruner

Yes, Oracle will sell it as standalone product because it is most useful and 
most used client software on Oracle. The licence model is 'per session'.

:-)))
BTW: Anybody's using  gqlplus?
http://gqlplus.sourceforge.net/

JP
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Re: SQL*Plus in 10i

2002-08-30 Thread ltiu

oradim -startup -sid sid -pfile pfile_path ???

They got rid of SVRMGR.

ltiu 

On Friday 30 August 2002 11:08, you wrote:
 How do they expect you to start and stop the database if it goes away?
 and please don't say OEM...

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  Anyone else hear that SQL*Plus is going away in 10i??
 
 
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RE: SQL*Plus in 10i

2002-08-30 Thread Gogala, Mladen

We only need to start it. It usually stops itself without human control.
That is why we have ora-600 and ora-7445 features implemented in PMON 
and SMON. As for starting and stopping,  let me  be innovative:
What do you say to call the start/stop program IOR and have 
database startup performed by ior w and database creation by ior i
(i liki init). That would be a new and improved thing, wouldn't it?
May be, calling the program sqldba would be even better. Integrating 
an ncurses version of top sessions monitor and rollback segment monitor
would also be an outrageous improvement, don't you think so?

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 How do they expect you to start and stop the database if it goes away?
 and please don't say OEM...
 
 
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RE: SQL*Plus in 10i

2002-08-30 Thread Farnsworth, Dave

What would be the replacement??

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Re: SQL*Plus in 10i

2002-08-30 Thread Rodd Holman




oradim is only a windows thingy. Those of us on real OS's use svrmgrl or sqlplus depending on version. Are you saying that they are going to port oradim to *NIX??



Rodd



On Fri, 2002-08-30 at 13:33, ltiu wrote:

oradim -startup -sid sid -pfile pfile_path ???

They got rid of SVRMGR.

ltiu 

On Friday 30 August 2002 11:08, you wrote:
 How do they expect you to start and stop the database if it goes away?
 and please don't say OEM...

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RE: SQL*Plus in 10i

2002-08-30 Thread Gogala, Mladen



Connected to that, there is a rumor tha M$ will buy 
Oracle Corp., with 
Larry 
Ellison taking the place of Steve Ballmer.

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  SQL*Plus in 10ioradim is only a windows thingy. 
  Those of us on real OS's use svrmgrl or sqlplus depending on version. 
  Are you saying that they are going to port oradim to *NIX?? Rodd 
  On Fri, 2002-08-30 at 13:33, ltiu wrote: 
  oradim -startup -sid sid -pfile pfile_path ???

They got rid of SVRMGR.

ltiu 

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 and please don't say OEM...

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Re: SQL*Plus in 10i

2002-08-30 Thread Joe Testa

thats the Stupid WINDOZE way.

joe


ltiu wrote:

oradim -startup -sid sid -pfile pfile_path ???

They got rid of SVRMGR.

ltiu 

On Friday 30 August 2002 11:08, you wrote:

How do they expect you to start and stop the database if it goes away?
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Re: SQL*Plus in 10i

2002-08-30 Thread ltiu

Why not? It's easy to use. It will increase Oracle's market share to the dumb 
and dumber.

ltiu

On Friday 30 August 2002 12:24, you wrote:
 oradim is only a windows thingy.  Those of us on real OS's use svrmgrl
 or sqlplus depending on version.  Are you saying that they are going to
 port oradim to *NIX??

 Rodd

 On Fri, 2002-08-30 at 13:33, ltiu wrote:

 oradim -startup -sid sid -pfile pfile_path ???

 They got rid of SVRMGR.

 ltiu

 On Friday 30 August 2002 11:08, you wrote:
  How do they expect you to start and stop the database if it goes
  away? and please don't say OEM...
 
  --- Freeman, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Re: SQL*Plus in 10i

2002-08-30 Thread ltiu

Rumor ...

They might as well buy SUN along the way (and get rid of Java for good). 
SUN's market cap is only $13B. MS got $300B.

On Friday 30 August 2002 12:44, Gogala, Mladen wrote:
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 oradim is only a windows thingy.  Those of us on real OS's use svrmgrl or
 sqlplus depending on version.  Are you saying that they are going to port
 oradim to *NIX??

 Rodd

 On Fri, 2002-08-30 at 13:33, ltiu wrote:

 oradim -startup -sid sid -pfile pfile_path ???



 They got rid of SVRMGR.



 ltiu

 On Friday 30 August 2002 11:08, you wrote:
  How do they expect you to start and stop the database if it goes away?
 
  and please don't say OEM...
 
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RE: SQL*Plus in 10i

2002-08-30 Thread Orr, Steve

 BTW: Anybody's using  gqlplus?
Whoa, I've been looking for something like this. Is it any good?


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Yes, Oracle will sell it as standalone product because it is most useful and

most used client software on Oracle. The licence model is 'per session'.

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BTW: Anybody's using  gqlplus?
http://gqlplus.sourceforge.net/

JP
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RE: SQL*Plus in 10i

2002-08-30 Thread Gogala, Mladen

Having McNealy, Ellison and Gates working for the same company?
It would be somewhat like Heller's Milo Enterprises

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 Rumor ...
 
 They might as well buy SUN along the way (and get rid of Java 
 for good). 
 SUN's market cap is only $13B. MS got $300B.
 
 On Friday 30 August 2002 12:44, Gogala, Mladen wrote:
  Connected to that, there is a rumor tha M$ will buy Oracle 
 Corp., with
  Larry Ellison taking the place of Steve Ballmer.
 
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  oradim is only a windows thingy.  Those of us on real OS's 
 use svrmgrl or
  sqlplus depending on version.  Are you saying that they are 
 going to port
  oradim to *NIX??
 
  Rodd
 
  On Fri, 2002-08-30 at 13:33, ltiu wrote:
 
  oradim -startup -sid sid -pfile pfile_path ???
 
 
 
  They got rid of SVRMGR.
 
 
 
  ltiu
 
  On Friday 30 August 2002 11:08, you wrote:
   How do they expect you to start and stop the database if 
 it goes away?
  
   and please don't say OEM...
  
   --- Freeman, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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RF
   
   
   
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RE: SQL*Plus in 10i

2002-08-30 Thread Freeman, Robert

And as for OEM, I've heard from several sources that Oracle is going to
position that product more and more to be THE database management
interface. It's going to start feeling like we are working on a 
SQL Server database before you know it.

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How do they expect you to start and stop the database if it goes away?
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RE: SQL*Plus in 10i

2002-08-30 Thread Freeman, Robert

They are going to have iSQL*Plus (or however it's spelled) and you can use
that (and OEM)
for startup and shutdown. The SQL*Plus text and windows clinet I hear will
be gone.

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oradim -startup -sid sid -pfile pfile_path ???

They got rid of SVRMGR.

ltiu 

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Re: SQL*Plus in 10i

2002-08-30 Thread Philip Douglass

I've been looking for something like this too -- unfortunately it doesn't
work on my platform (UnixWare 7) out of the box, and I haven't had time to
figure out why not.

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 BTW: Anybody's using  gqlplus?
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Yes, Oracle will sell it as standalone product because it is most useful
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:-)))
BTW: Anybody's using  gqlplus?
http://gqlplus.sourceforge.net/

JP
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RE: SQL*Plus in 10i

2002-08-30 Thread Jared . Still

Yeah, let's break the backbone of many dba's toolbox.

This must be one of the stupider things they've done lately.

Reminds of a time when I repaired computers, and the mfgr 
wanted to remove test points from boards to save $0.25.

I would guess we could make use of IOUG to take up this issue.

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that (and OEM)
for startup and shutdown. The SQL*Plus text and windows clinet I hear will
be gone.

RF

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oradim -startup -sid sid -pfile pfile_path ???

They got rid of SVRMGR.

ltiu 

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 and please don't say OEM...

 --- Freeman, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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RE: SQL*Plus in 10i

2002-08-30 Thread Jared . Still

Just tried it.

Took 5 minutes to break it with this:

  set sqlprompt  'umachine - who_var@instance_var SQL '

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Yes, Oracle will sell it as standalone product because it is most useful 
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most used client software on Oracle. The licence model is 'per session'.

:-)))
BTW: Anybody's using  gqlplus?
http://gqlplus.sourceforge.net/

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RE: SQL*Plus in 10i

2002-08-30 Thread Freeman, Robert

 McNealy, Ellison and Gates

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RE: SQL*Plus in 10i

2002-08-30 Thread Brian McGraw

And how will they support automated jobs (i.e., cron) that use sqlplus??


I've already had to rewrite scripts from svrmgrl to sqlplus.  I don't
want to go through that again.

I'm hoping, Robert, that you're just pulling everyone's leg  :)

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They are going to have iSQL*Plus (or however it's spelled) and you can
use
that (and OEM)
for startup and shutdown. The SQL*Plus text and windows clinet I hear
will
be gone.

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oradim -startup -sid sid -pfile pfile_path ???

They got rid of SVRMGR.

ltiu 

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RE: SQL*Plus in 10i

2002-08-30 Thread Orr, Steve

That's not really a show stopper as far as I'm concerned. 

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Just tried it.

Took 5 minutes to break it with this:

  set sqlprompt  'umachine - who_var@instance_var SQL '

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:-)))
BTW: Anybody's using  gqlplus?
http://gqlplus.sourceforge.net/

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Re: SQL*Plus in 10i

2002-08-30 Thread Rachel Carmichael

does oradim work in Unix boxes? I've never used it

And it took a LOT of releases and warnings before they got rid of
svrmgr.. they started saying it was going away in version 7 I believe.


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 They got rid of SVRMGR.
 
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RE: SQL*Plus in 10i

2002-08-30 Thread Rachel Carmichael

I can't code scripts to be run by the operations staff via OEM.  I
don't want to give that much access to non-DBA staff.

I told Ken Jacobs this years ago when he said at an NYOUG meeting that
soon your database will be controlled from the web


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RE: SQL*Plus in 10i

2002-08-30 Thread Rachel Carmichael

I LOVE that idea

I miss the monitor function :)


--- Gogala, Mladen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We only need to start it. It usually stops itself without human
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 That is why we have ora-600 and ora-7445 features implemented in PMON
 
 and SMON. As for starting and stopping,  let me  be innovative:
 What do you say to call the start/stop program IOR and have 
 database startup performed by ior w and database creation by ior
 i
 (i liki init). That would be a new and improved thing, wouldn't
 it?
 May be, calling the program sqldba would be even better.
 Integrating 
 an ncurses version of top sessions monitor and rollback segment
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 would also be an outrageous improvement, don't you think so?
 
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RE: SQL*Plus in 10i

2002-08-30 Thread Ji, Richard

No it doesn't.  oradim is used to create/start/stop oracle services.
There is no such thing as NT services on Unix.

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does oradim work in Unix boxes? I've never used it

And it took a LOT of releases and warnings before they got rid of
svrmgr.. they started saying it was going away in version 7 I believe.


--- ltiu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 oradim -startup -sid sid -pfile pfile_path ???
 
 They got rid of SVRMGR.
 
 ltiu 
 
 On Friday 30 August 2002 11:08, you wrote:
  How do they expect you to start and stop the database if it goes
 away?
  and please don't say OEM...
 
  --- Freeman, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Anyone else hear that SQL*Plus is going away in 10i??
  
  
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Re: SQL*Plus in 10i

2002-08-30 Thread ltiu

I wonder why there is no Oradim under Unix/Linux?

ltiu

On Friday 30 August 2002 19:23, Rachel Carmichael wrote:
 does oradim work in Unix boxes? I've never used it

 And it took a LOT of releases and warnings before they got rid of
 svrmgr.. they started saying it was going away in version 7 I believe.

 --- ltiu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  oradim -startup -sid sid -pfile pfile_path ???
 
  They got rid of SVRMGR.
 
  ltiu
 
  On Friday 30 August 2002 11:08, you wrote:
   How do they expect you to start and stop the database if it goes
 
  away?
 
   and please don't say OEM...
  
   --- Freeman, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anyone else hear that SQL*Plus is going away in 10i??
   
   
RF
   
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Oracle Database Architect
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Re: SQL*Plus in 10i

2002-08-30 Thread Jonathan Gennick

On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 08:23:27 -0800, you wrote:

Anyone else hear that SQL*Plus is going away in 10i??

The story I heard is that only the Windows version, the one that wraps
a GUI around the command-line, goes away. The DOS version stays (or so
I've been told, but I forget by who). 

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