RE: Multimaster replication as alternative backup

2003-12-14 Thread Sami
Simple,Clear and Superb explanation.
Thanks Arup.


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VirVit,

You haven't specified Oracle version and your tolerance for data loss. If
you can afford to lose the data in the most current redo log file, then I
would suggest 9i Data Guard in maximum performance mode (or Standby in 8i)
solution over the MM replication. The DG solution does not affect the
primary database performance. You can backup the standby database and use it
for recovery of the primary, too.

If you can't afford to lose any data, then you can still use the DG Maximum
Protection (in 9i) mode, but it will affect the performance to some extent.
However, in this case (no data loss) you have to enable MM Synchronous
Replication as opposed to the default Asynchronous mode. In the Synch mode,
the performance is worse compared to the Max Protection DG solution.

Here is a summary of the options:

Oracle 8i
|
+- Last redo data loss ok = Standby Database ~~ Performance=BEST
+- LAst redo data los NOT ok = MM Synchronous Replication ~~
Performance=VERY BAD

Oracle 9i
|
+- Last redo data loss ok = Data Guard Max Performance Mode ~~
Performance=BEST
+- LAst redo data los NOT ok =
 |
+- Option 1: MM Synchronous Replication ~~ Performance=VERY BAD
+- Option 2: Data Guard Max Protection Mode ~~ Performance=BAD

Therefore, you are better off using DG (or standby in 8i).

Pros:
(1) You can use standby datafiles to recover primary database
(2) You can take RMAN backups from the standby, reducing the CPU cycle
requirements in primary

Cons:
(1) In Max Protection Mode, the primary also halts if the standby has a
problem; not truly a HA solution. Ideally you need three or more servers -
one primary and two standbys to work perfectly = high cost

Summary: If your management can live with the loss of the last redo, your
best option is DG Max Performance (or Standby, in 8i), IMHO.

HTH.

Arup Nanda
www.proligence.com


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 Hello!

 What do you think of additional backup method as multimaster replication?
 Isn't it a way to continue working normal, if main database crash and I
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Re: Multimaster replication as alternative backup

2003-11-20 Thread Yechiel Adar
Verification was easy. We just powered down the primary machine, changed the
db name in the external table, drop the replication on the backup server and
restart the application. Everything worked fine. After 2-3 days, over the
weekend, we rebuilt the replication again.

Yechiel Adar
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 Yechiel - So how do you verify your backup environment? My gut feeling is
 that simpler systems are less prone to catastrophe, and multimaster
 replication definitely adds a lot of pieces compared to conventional
 backups.

 Dennis Williams
 DBA
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 We are doing exactly that. We use multi master synchronous replication. In
 case the regular server dies, we drop replication from the backup machine.
 Change one parameter in the application ini file (what db name to use in
 connections), start the application again. About 5 minutes turn around
time.
 Use it only if you have high speed connection and the servers are close.
It
 adds about 10% overhead to the application. It depends on the amount of
 updates vs. selects of the application.

 Yechiel Adar
 Mehish
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  Hello!
 
  What do you think of additional backup method as multimaster
replication?
  Isn't it a way to continue working normal, if main database crash and I
 move
  all connections to another master site?
 
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Re: Multimaster replication as alternative backup

2003-11-19 Thread Yechiel Adar
We are doing exactly that. We use multi master synchronous replication. In
case the regular server dies, we drop replication from the backup machine.
Change one parameter in the application ini file (what db name to use in
connections), start the application again. About 5 minutes turn around time.
Use it only if you have high speed connection and the servers are close. It
adds about 10% overhead to the application. It depends on the amount of
updates vs. selects of the application.

Yechiel Adar
Mehish
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 Hello!

 What do you think of additional backup method as multimaster replication?
 Isn't it a way to continue working normal, if main database crash and I
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RE: Multimaster replication as alternative backup

2003-11-19 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Yechiel - So how do you verify your backup environment? My gut feeling is
that simpler systems are less prone to catastrophe, and multimaster
replication definitely adds a lot of pieces compared to conventional
backups.

Dennis Williams
DBA
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We are doing exactly that. We use multi master synchronous replication. In
case the regular server dies, we drop replication from the backup machine.
Change one parameter in the application ini file (what db name to use in
connections), start the application again. About 5 minutes turn around time.
Use it only if you have high speed connection and the servers are close. It
adds about 10% overhead to the application. It depends on the amount of
updates vs. selects of the application.

Yechiel Adar
Mehish
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 Hello!

 What do you think of additional backup method as multimaster replication?
 Isn't it a way to continue working normal, if main database crash and I
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Multimaster replication as alternative backup

2003-11-18 Thread VirVit
Hello!

What do you think of additional backup method as multimaster replication?
Isn't it a way to continue working normal, if main database crash and I move
all connections to another master site?

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Re: Multimaster replication as alternative backup

2003-11-18 Thread Arup Nanda
VirVit,

You haven't specified Oracle version and your tolerance for data loss. If
you can afford to lose the data in the most current redo log file, then I
would suggest 9i Data Guard in maximum performance mode (or Standby in 8i)
solution over the MM replication. The DG solution does not affect the
primary database performance. You can backup the standby database and use it
for recovery of the primary, too.

If you can't afford to lose any data, then you can still use the DG Maximum
Protection (in 9i) mode, but it will affect the performance to some extent.
However, in this case (no data loss) you have to enable MM Synchronous
Replication as opposed to the default Asynchronous mode. In the Synch mode,
the performance is worse compared to the Max Protection DG solution.

Here is a summary of the options:

Oracle 8i
|
+- Last redo data loss ok = Standby Database ~~ Performance=BEST
+- LAst redo data los NOT ok = MM Synchronous Replication ~~
Performance=VERY BAD

Oracle 9i
|
+- Last redo data loss ok = Data Guard Max Performance Mode ~~
Performance=BEST
+- LAst redo data los NOT ok =
 |
+- Option 1: MM Synchronous Replication ~~ Performance=VERY BAD
+- Option 2: Data Guard Max Protection Mode ~~ Performance=BAD

Therefore, you are better off using DG (or standby in 8i).

Pros:
(1) You can use standby datafiles to recover primary database
(2) You can take RMAN backups from the standby, reducing the CPU cycle
requirements in primary

Cons:
(1) In Max Protection Mode, the primary also halts if the standby has a
problem; not truly a HA solution. Ideally you need three or more servers -
one primary and two standbys to work perfectly = high cost

Summary: If your management can live with the loss of the last redo, your
best option is DG Max Performance (or Standby, in 8i), IMHO.

HTH.

Arup Nanda
www.proligence.com


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Multimaster Replication Doubt...

2002-03-04 Thread Rahul Dandekar

1.
It is my understanding that Oracle 7.x has continuous purge
of the propogated deftrans. There is no option of scheduling
periodic purge at specific time. Am I correct?

2.
How to schedule continuous purge of propogated deftrans in
Oracle 8i from command line?

prompt  SCHEDULE PURGE AT MASTER SITE 
BEGIN
DBMS_DEFER_SYS.SCHEDULE_PURGE (
NEXT_DATE = SYSDATE,
INTERVAL = 'SYSDATE + 1/24',
DELAY_SECONDS = 0,
ROLLBACK_SEGMENT = '');
END;
/

Manual says set DELAY_SECONDS to 500,000 and set INTERVAL to a value less
than
DELAY_SECONDS. I could not understand exactly how this works...

+Rahul

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Re: multimaster replication

2001-08-09 Thread A. Bardeen

Andrey,

Don't even think about implementing this until you've
read the manuals and thoroughly understand the
concepts.  Replication can be very unforgiving when
you don't properly design and configure it.  You may
also find that your application is not even suited for
it.

  - Is it a must for the 2 DBs to be of the same
 version (release) ?
  - Is it a must for the 2 DBs to run on the same
 O/S, hardware etc ... ?
  NO, to all of the above.  One of replication's
strength's is that it is Oracle, OS and hardware
version independent.  Personally, I wouldn't even try
implementing it on Oracle7 and given a choice I'd use
8i or 9i.  Any combination of currently supported
versions will work just fine.

I'd start with reading the Oracle Distributed,
Replication, and Replication API manuals.

I also like Charles Dye's Oracle Distributed Systems
(O'Reilly).

My Replication Do's and Don'ts paper is available on
Christopher Spence's site:
http://www.vampired.net/articles/files/replication1.zip

Good luck!

-- Anita

--- Andrey Bronfin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dear gurus !
 Finally , they caught me  ;-(
 I need to implement multimaster replication
 (asynchronous) among 2
 databases.
 A couple of general questions before i start :
  - Is it a must for the 2 DBs to be of the same
 version (release) ?
  - Is it a must for the 2 DBs to run on the same
 O/S, hardware etc ... ?
  - Do U have to replicate among 2 schemas with the
 same names ?
  - Are there any general bugs / issues ? Something
 to be aware of ?
  - And , the most important , i'd be very happy if u
 , gurus , could send me
 some scripts , how-tos , manuals , articles , your
 thoughts - simply
 anything related to advanced replication.
 Many thanks in advance.
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RE: multimaster replication

2001-08-08 Thread Andrey Bronfin

Dear gurus !
I need to implement multimaster replication (asynchronous) among 2
databases.
A couple of general questions before i start :
 - Is it a must for the 2 DBs to be of the same version (release) ?
 - Is it a must for the 2 DBs to run on the same O/S, hardware etc ... ?
 - Do U have to replicate among 2 schemas with the same names ?
 - Are there any general bugs / issues ? Something to be aware of ?
 - And , the most important , i'd be very happy if u , gurus , could send me
some scripts , how-tos , manuals , articles , your thoughts - simply
anything related to advanced replication.
Many thanks in advance.
Andrey.
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multimaster replication

2001-08-07 Thread Andrey Bronfin

Dear gurus !
Finally , they caught me  ;-(
I need to implement multimaster replication (asynchronous) among 2
databases.
A couple of general questions before i start :
 - Is it a must for the 2 DBs to be of the same version (release) ?
 - Is it a must for the 2 DBs to run on the same O/S, hardware etc ... ?
 - Do U have to replicate among 2 schemas with the same names ?
 - Are there any general bugs / issues ? Something to be aware of ?
 - And , the most important , i'd be very happy if u , gurus , could send me
some scripts , how-tos , manuals , articles , your thoughts - simply
anything related to advanced replication.
Many thanks in advance.
Andrey.


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Multimaster Replication

2001-05-21 Thread Nihar

hi gurus

  My Asynchronus multimaster replication is working fine. But the moment i
remove the physical connectiviy (network link),it hangs without even
updating local data base. i mean it's not allowing me to commit insert
statement at one location.
  Can anybody helps me in this.

thanks

-Nihar

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RE: Multimaster Replication

2001-05-21 Thread Haskins, Ed

Nihar,

Don't remove the network link!!

O.KI'm not a replication guru, but my thoughts are that the way
replication is setup, the commit can only happen if the data can be
replicated as it should.  If there is no network connectivity, the instance
cannot get to one of the other required instances...and it hangs until it
finds it.

Ed Haskins
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hi gurus

  My Asynchronus multimaster replication is working fine. But the moment i
remove the physical connectiviy (network link),it hangs without even
updating local data base. i mean it's not allowing me to commit insert
statement at one location.
  Can anybody helps me in this.

thanks

-Nihar

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RE: Multimaster Replication

2001-05-21 Thread Nihar

Hi!

   Well, i am not going to remove the link but What if the internet
connectivity fails. My DB servers are at different locations and i am doing
it through WAN link .Is there any way to queup the data till links come up.
thanks

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Nihar,

Don't remove the network link!!

O.KI'm not a replication guru, but my thoughts are that the way
replication is setup, the commit can only happen if the data can be
replicated as it should.  If there is no network connectivity, the instance
cannot get to one of the other required instances...and it hangs until it
finds it.

Ed Haskins
Oracle DBA
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hi gurus

  My Asynchronus multimaster replication is working fine. But the moment i
remove the physical connectiviy (network link),it hangs without even
updating local data base. i mean it's not allowing me to commit insert
statement at one location.
  Can anybody helps me in this.

thanks

-Nihar

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RE: Multimaster Replication

2001-05-21 Thread A. Bardeen

Nihar,

This is not normal.  Asynchronous propagation
populates the deferred transactions queues which are
then pushed at a later time, so the only thing that
should happen when network connectivity is lost is
that the job pushing the queues will fail.  Once
connectivity is re-established the job wil lresume
pushing, unless it failed 16 times and was marked
broken in which case it will need to be manually run
or marked unbroken.

Even with synchronous replication it shouldn't hang
indefinitely.  Eventually a timeout will be reached
and an error will be returned since the transaction
cannot commit at all sites.

What Oracle and OS versions are involved?

When your insert session is hanging, what is the wait
event in V$SESSION_WAIT for that session?

HTH,

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--- Nihar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi!
 
Well, i am not going to remove the link but What
 if the internet
 connectivity fails. My DB servers are at different
 locations and i am doing
 it through WAN link .Is there any way to queup the
 data till links come up.
 thanks
 
 -Nihar
 
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 Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 3:56 AM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 Nihar,
 
 Don't remove the network link!!
 
 O.KI'm not a replication guru, but my thoughts
 are that the way
 replication is setup, the commit can only happen if
 the data can be
 replicated as it should.  If there is no network
 connectivity, the instance
 cannot get to one of the other required
 instances...and it hangs until it
 finds it.
 
 Ed Haskins
 Oracle DBA
 Verizon Wireless
 
 -Original Message-
 Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 5:51 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 hi gurus
 
   My Asynchronus multimaster replication is working
 fine. But the moment i
 remove the physical connectiviy (network link),it
 hangs without even
 updating local data base. i mean it's not allowing
 me to commit insert
 statement at one location.
   Can anybody helps me in this.
 
 thanks
 
 -Nihar
 
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Multimaster Replication setup

2001-04-25 Thread Brijesh Lal

Hi
 I am trying to setup multimaster replication
environment. I have two machines. On on windows NT and
one on linux. I followed all the steps listed in
oracle8i Api reference manuals till chapter 3. But
when I update emp table. It corresponding updations
are not reflected in second database.

Can anyone please help me in setting up of replication
server. Also can anyone tell me sites giving Complete
steps for setting up replication server. I am here not
going for snapshot site I am just trying for
multimaster replication

Regards
Brijesh


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