Re: security problem with 8i

2001-07-18 Thread Jon Walthour

Listers:

My client has asked me to look into this issue and determine if they should
be concerned about it or not. Since they don't have any db's directly
accessible from the Internet and since their LAN is very secure anyway, I'm
inclined to not apply any patches based on the premise that if it isn't a
necessary patch, don't apply it in fear of breaking something else. What do
you think?

--

Jon Walthour, OCDBA
Oracle DBA
Computer Horizons
Cincinnati, Ohio

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 Hi All,

 i am not sure if this has already been posted or not, but..

 --29 June 2001  Oracle8i Database Buffer Overflow Vulnerability
 Security experts found and disclosed a pair of vulnerabilities in the
 standard and enterprise editions of Oracle8i database.  The Transport
 Network Substrate (TNS) Listener has a buffer overflow vulnerability;
 a flaw in the SQL Net protocol leaves the system vulnerable to
 denial-of- service attacks.  Patches are available.

 http://www.computerworld.com/storyba/0,4125,NAV47_STO61802,00.html

 -bill

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Re: security problem with 8i

2001-07-18 Thread Ray Stell

On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 03:45:57AM -0800, Jon Walthour wrote:
 Listers:
 
 My client has asked me to look into this issue and determine if they should
 be concerned about it or not. Since they don't have any db's directly
 accessible from the Internet and since their LAN is very secure anyway, I'm
 inclined to not apply any patches based on the premise that if it isn't a
 necessary patch, don't apply it in fear of breaking something else. What do
 you think?
 --

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Re: security problem with 8i

2001-07-18 Thread Rodd Holman

Jon,
I would tend to agree with you.  As long as their data is not externally
available, the risk of this type of attack is very low.  Most employees 
are
not foolhardy enough to initiate DOS attacks from their internal LAN's.
However if they ever intend to move their system to the internet, VPN, 
etc.
then they need to keep this info and patch as part of their migration 
plan.

Rodd

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On 7/18/01, 6:45:57 AM, Jon Walthour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding Re: 
security problem with 8i:


 Listers:

 My client has asked me to look into this issue and determine if they 
should
 be concerned about it or not. Since they don't have any db's directly
 accessible from the Internet and since their LAN is very secure anyway, 
I'm
 inclined to not apply any patches based on the premise that if it isn't a
 necessary patch, don't apply it in fear of breaking something else. What 
do
 you think?

 --

 Jon Walthour, OCDBA
 Oracle DBA
 Computer Horizons
 Cincinnati, Ohio

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 Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 1:26 PM


  Hi All,
 
  i am not sure if this has already been posted or not, but..
 
  --29 June 2001  Oracle8i Database Buffer Overflow Vulnerability
  Security experts found and disclosed a pair of vulnerabilities in the
  standard and enterprise editions of Oracle8i database.  The Transport
  Network Substrate (TNS) Listener has a buffer overflow vulnerability;
  a flaw in the SQL Net protocol leaves the system vulnerable to
  denial-of- service attacks.  Patches are available.
 
  http://www.computerworld.com/storyba/0,4125,NAV47_STO61802,00.html
 
  -bill
 
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Re[2]: security problem with 8i

2001-07-18 Thread dgoulet

Although there has been so much publicity of security holes in Oracle, in
particular the listener, the one hole that really causes me concern is the
default passwords for sys and system and/or using the username as a password. 
Over the past 2 years I've been to a few sites, like 4, at a friends request
and/or on an interview where the manager said show me and each time I've been
able to log onto the DB with any of the following:

sys/change_on_install
sys/sys
system/system
system/manager

Now come on, this was an old V6 thing that we were suppose to do, and we're
still not!!

Dick Goulet

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Author: Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:   7/18/2001 5:15 AM

On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 03:45:57AM -0800, Jon Walthour wrote:
 Listers:
 
 My client has asked me to look into this issue and determine if they should
 be concerned about it or not. Since they don't have any db's directly
 accessible from the Internet and since their LAN is very secure anyway, I'm
 inclined to not apply any patches based on the premise that if it isn't a
 necessary patch, don't apply it in fear of breaking something else. What do
 you think?
 --

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OT RE: Re[2]: security problem with 8i

2001-07-18 Thread Mohan, Ross

there's also the ALL POWERFUL
scott/tiger account to consider!

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Although there has been so much publicity of security holes in Oracle,
in
particular the listener, the one hole that really causes me concern is the
default passwords for sys and system and/or using the username as a
password. 
Over the past 2 years I've been to a few sites, like 4, at a friends request
and/or on an interview where the manager said show me and each time I've
been
able to log onto the DB with any of the following:

sys/change_on_install
sys/sys
system/system
system/manager

Now come on, this was an old V6 thing that we were suppose to do, and we're
still not!!

Dick Goulet

Reply Separator
Author: Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:   7/18/2001 5:15 AM

On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 03:45:57AM -0800, Jon Walthour wrote:
 Listers:
 
 My client has asked me to look into this issue and determine if they
should
 be concerned about it or not. Since they don't have any db's directly
 accessible from the Internet and since their LAN is very secure anyway,
I'm
 inclined to not apply any patches based on the premise that if it isn't a
 necessary patch, don't apply it in fear of breaking something else. What
do
 you think?
 --

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Re: Re[2]: security problem with 8i

2001-07-18 Thread paquette stephane

Are you joking ?

 --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :  Although there
has been so much publicity of
 security holes in Oracle, in
 particular the listener, the one hole that really
 causes me concern is the
 default passwords for sys and system and/or using
 the username as a password. 
 Over the past 2 years I've been to a few sites, like
 4, at a friends request
 and/or on an interview where the manager said show
 me and each time I've been
 able to log onto the DB with any of the following:
 
 sys/change_on_install
 sys/sys
 system/system
 system/manager
 
 Now come on, this was an old V6 thing that we were
 suppose to do, and we're
 still not!!
 
 Dick Goulet
 
 Reply
 Separator
 Author: Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date:   7/18/2001 5:15 AM
 
 On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 03:45:57AM -0800, Jon
 Walthour wrote:
  Listers:
  
  My client has asked me to look into this issue and
 determine if they should
  be concerned about it or not. Since they don't
 have any db's directly
  accessible from the Internet and since their LAN
 is very secure anyway, I'm
  inclined to not apply any patches based on the
 premise that if it isn't a
  necessary patch, don't apply it in fear of
 breaking something else. What do
  you think?
  --
 
 two words, disgruntled employee 

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Re: OT RE: Re[2]: security problem with 8i

2001-07-18 Thread Jared Still


Ross,

You can get into all of my databases that way, including
the enterprise SAP database.

Wonderful huh?

Changing passwords around is on my todo list, but it's
often not as simple as just changing it.  There may be
other ramifications, like it's a FailSafe database for
instance.

Or a 3rd party duhveloper installed the software and
set everyone up to run as SYSTEM.  Brilliant.

Jared

On Wednesday 18 July 2001 08:20, Mohan, Ross wrote:

 Although there has been so much publicity of security holes in
 Oracle, in
 particular the listener, the one hole that really causes me concern is the
 default passwords for sys and system and/or using the username as a
 password.
 Over the past 2 years I've been to a few sites, like 4, at a friends
 request and/or on an interview where the manager said show me and each
 time I've been
 able to log onto the DB with any of the following:

 sys/change_on_install
 sys/sys
 system/system
 system/manager

 Now come on, this was an old V6 thing that we were suppose to do, and we're
 still not!!

 Dick Goulet

 Reply Separator
 Author: Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date:   7/18/2001 5:15 AM

 On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 03:45:57AM -0800, Jon Walthour wrote:
  Listers:
 
  My client has asked me to look into this issue and determine if they

 should

  be concerned about it or not. Since they don't have any db's directly
  accessible from the Internet and since their LAN is very secure anyway,

 I'm

  inclined to not apply any patches based on the premise that if it isn't a
  necessary patch, don't apply it in fear of breaking something else. What

 do

  you think?
  --

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Re[2]: Re[2]: security problem with 8i

2001-07-18 Thread dgoulet

I wish I was.

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Are you joking ?

 --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :  Although there
has been so much publicity of
 security holes in Oracle, in
 particular the listener, the one hole that really
 causes me concern is the
 default passwords for sys and system and/or using
 the username as a password. 
 Over the past 2 years I've been to a few sites, like
 4, at a friends request
 and/or on an interview where the manager said show
 me and each time I've been
 able to log onto the DB with any of the following:
 
 sys/change_on_install
 sys/sys
 system/system
 system/manager
 
 Now come on, this was an old V6 thing that we were
 suppose to do, and we're
 still not!!
 
 Dick Goulet
 
 Reply
 Separator
 Author: Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date:   7/18/2001 5:15 AM
 
 On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 03:45:57AM -0800, Jon
 Walthour wrote:
  Listers:
  
  My client has asked me to look into this issue and
 determine if they should
  be concerned about it or not. Since they don't
 have any db's directly
  accessible from the Internet and since their LAN
 is very secure anyway, I'm
  inclined to not apply any patches based on the
 premise that if it isn't a
  necessary patch, don't apply it in fear of
 breaking something else. What do
  you think?
  --
 
 two words, disgruntled employee 

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Re: Re[2]: security problem with 8i

2001-07-18 Thread Rachel Carmichael

I would doubt he's joking. I've had simular experiences

transferred to another department within the same company. Get a call from 
my old boss our dba is out sick, we HAVE to have this done today, this is a 
highly secured system you have to help and make the changes from this pc

I go there, cannot log into the database with the username and password he 
gives me. We call the dba (who was really sick), apologize and ask for the 
username and password -- same as what I had. Still does not work. I stop, 
think and say let me try something

and log in as system/manager

I do what they ask me to, then take my old boss aside and explain (gently) 
that he has a security hole in his highly secured system that I could 
drive a truck through.




From: paquette stephane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Re[2]: security problem with 8i
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:25:48 -0800

Are you joking ?

  --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :  Although there
has been so much publicity of
  security holes in Oracle, in
  particular the listener, the one hole that really
  causes me concern is the
  default passwords for sys and system and/or using
  the username as a password.
  Over the past 2 years I've been to a few sites, like
  4, at a friends request
  and/or on an interview where the manager said show
  me and each time I've been
  able to log onto the DB with any of the following:
 
  sys/change_on_install
  sys/sys
  system/system
  system/manager
 
  Now come on, this was an old V6 thing that we were
  suppose to do, and we're
  still not!!
 
  Dick Goulet
 
  Reply
  Separator
  Author: Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date:   7/18/2001 5:15 AM
 
  On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 03:45:57AM -0800, Jon
  Walthour wrote:
   Listers:
  
   My client has asked me to look into this issue and
  determine if they should
   be concerned about it or not. Since they don't
  have any db's directly
   accessible from the Internet and since their LAN
  is very secure anyway, I'm
   inclined to not apply any patches based on the
  premise that if it isn't a
   necessary patch, don't apply it in fear of
  breaking something else. What do
   you think?
   --
 
  two words, disgruntled employee
 
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RE: OT RE: Re[2]: security problem with 8i

2001-07-18 Thread Mohan, Ross

JS, 

I think DG did this and mail got
crossed. 

HTH, 

RM

-Original Message-
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 11:51 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



Ross,

You can get into all of my databases that way, including
the enterprise SAP database.

Wonderful huh?

Changing passwords around is on my todo list, but it's
often not as simple as just changing it.  There may be
other ramifications, like it's a FailSafe database for
instance.

Or a 3rd party duhveloper installed the software and
set everyone up to run as SYSTEM.  Brilliant.

Jared

On Wednesday 18 July 2001 08:20, Mohan, Ross wrote:

 Although there has been so much publicity of security holes in
 Oracle, in
 particular the listener, the one hole that really causes me concern is the
 default passwords for sys and system and/or using the username as a
 password.
 Over the past 2 years I've been to a few sites, like 4, at a friends
 request and/or on an interview where the manager said show me and each
 time I've been
 able to log onto the DB with any of the following:

 sys/change_on_install
 sys/sys
 system/system
 system/manager

 Now come on, this was an old V6 thing that we were suppose to do, and
we're
 still not!!

 Dick Goulet

 Reply Separator
 Author: Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date:   7/18/2001 5:15 AM

 On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 03:45:57AM -0800, Jon Walthour wrote:
  Listers:
 
  My client has asked me to look into this issue and determine if they

 should

  be concerned about it or not. Since they don't have any db's directly
  accessible from the Internet and since their LAN is very secure anyway,

 I'm

  inclined to not apply any patches based on the premise that if it isn't
a
  necessary patch, don't apply it in fear of breaking something else. What

 do

  you think?
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Re: security problem with 8i

2001-07-18 Thread Brian McGraw

Ah, War stories...

Reminds me (somewhat) of a company that I consulted, that had been suddently
abandoned by its DBA in November, 1999 - anyone remember the Y2K panic??

They couldn't explan the CPU slowdown and lack of IO throughput.  So I went on
site, and their DBA with 5 years of experience had exactly 3 tablespaces in the
system:  TEMP, RBS, and SYSTEM.  System was  2GB and was composed of about 25
datafiles.  Anyone care to guess where all of the db objects lived???

It was a production system, BTW.  It's nice to feel like a miracle-worker
sometimes.  : )

Brian

Rachel Carmichael wrote:

 I would doubt he's joking. I've had simular experiences

 transferred to another department within the same company. Get a call from
 my old boss our dba is out sick, we HAVE to have this done today, this is a
 highly secured system you have to help and make the changes from this pc

 I go there, cannot log into the database with the username and password he
 gives me. We call the dba (who was really sick), apologize and ask for the
 username and password -- same as what I had. Still does not work. I stop,
 think and say let me try something

 and log in as system/manager

 I do what they ask me to, then take my old boss aside and explain (gently)
 that he has a security hole in his highly secured system that I could
 drive a truck through.

 From: paquette stephane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Re[2]: security problem with 8i
 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:25:48 -0800
 
 Are you joking ?
 
   --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :  Although there
 has been so much publicity of
   security holes in Oracle, in
   particular the listener, the one hole that really
   causes me concern is the
   default passwords for sys and system and/or using
   the username as a password.
   Over the past 2 years I've been to a few sites, like
   4, at a friends request
   and/or on an interview where the manager said show
   me and each time I've been
   able to log onto the DB with any of the following:
  
   sys/change_on_install
   sys/sys
   system/system
   system/manager
  
   Now come on, this was an old V6 thing that we were
   suppose to do, and we're
   still not!!
  
   Dick Goulet
  
   Reply
   Separator
   Author: Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Date:   7/18/2001 5:15 AM
  
   On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 03:45:57AM -0800, Jon
   Walthour wrote:
Listers:
   
My client has asked me to look into this issue and
   determine if they should
be concerned about it or not. Since they don't
   have any db's directly
accessible from the Internet and since their LAN
   is very secure anyway, I'm
inclined to not apply any patches based on the
   premise that if it isn't a
necessary patch, don't apply it in fear of
   breaking something else. What do
you think?
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Re: security problem with 8i

2001-07-18 Thread Thater, William

Rachel Carmichael wrote:

 and log in as system/manager
 
 I do what they ask me to, then take my old boss aside and explain (gently)
 that he has a security hole in his highly secured system that I could
 drive a truck through.

you, my dear goddess, are way to kind.;-)


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RE: Re[2]: security problem with 8i

2001-07-18 Thread Farnsworth, Dave

This is the way my current employers shop was.  After I started here as a
SQL Server DBA I was told they want me to become the Oracle DBA for a new
third party app they were getting.  They already had two other apps using
Oracle.  These other apps were up and running for a couple of years.  Within
the first couple of months of learning Oracle I was able to access the other
Oracle databases with the standard SYS and SYSTEM logins.  These were
systems that at the time, I did not have access to.  Well the next day, I
told damagement and now I have three Oracle systems. :)

Dave

-Original Message-
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 11:13 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


I would doubt he's joking. I've had simular experiences

transferred to another department within the same company. Get a call from 
my old boss our dba is out sick, we HAVE to have this done today, this is a

highly secured system you have to help and make the changes from this pc

I go there, cannot log into the database with the username and password he 
gives me. We call the dba (who was really sick), apologize and ask for the 
username and password -- same as what I had. Still does not work. I stop, 
think and say let me try something

and log in as system/manager

I do what they ask me to, then take my old boss aside and explain (gently) 
that he has a security hole in his highly secured system that I could 
drive a truck through.




From: paquette stephane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Re[2]: security problem with 8i
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:25:48 -0800

Are you joking ?

  --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :  Although there
has been so much publicity of
  security holes in Oracle, in
  particular the listener, the one hole that really
  causes me concern is the
  default passwords for sys and system and/or using
  the username as a password.
  Over the past 2 years I've been to a few sites, like
  4, at a friends request
  and/or on an interview where the manager said show
  me and each time I've been
  able to log onto the DB with any of the following:
 
  sys/change_on_install
  sys/sys
  system/system
  system/manager
 
  Now come on, this was an old V6 thing that we were
  suppose to do, and we're
  still not!!
 
  Dick Goulet
 
  Reply
  Separator
  Author: Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date:   7/18/2001 5:15 AM
 
  On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 03:45:57AM -0800, Jon
  Walthour wrote:
   Listers:
  
   My client has asked me to look into this issue and
  determine if they should
   be concerned about it or not. Since they don't
  have any db's directly
   accessible from the Internet and since their LAN
  is very secure anyway, I'm
   inclined to not apply any patches based on the
  premise that if it isn't a
   necessary patch, don't apply it in fear of
  breaking something else. What do
   you think?
   --
 
  two words, disgruntled employee
 
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RE: Re[2]: security problem with 8i

2001-07-18 Thread Jack C. Applewhite

Oh yeah!  I've got one even better!  When I joined a previous company, their
*Web-accessible* application's administration username/password was
admin/admin!  Their production Oracle DB - accessed via the admin/admin
protected app - had system/manager and mps/mps (mps stands for Main
Production Schema), plus all the usual default schemas like ctxsys/ctxsys...

Needless to say, I closed those holes pretty quickly!

Jack


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Austin, Texas
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-Original Message-
Carmichael
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 11:13 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


I would doubt he's joking. I've had simular experiences

transferred to another department within the same company. Get a call from
my old boss our dba is out sick, we HAVE to have this done today, this is a
highly secured system you have to help and make the changes from this pc

I go there, cannot log into the database with the username and password he
gives me. We call the dba (who was really sick), apologize and ask for the
username and password -- same as what I had. Still does not work. I stop,
think and say let me try something

and log in as system/manager

I do what they ask me to, then take my old boss aside and explain (gently)
that he has a security hole in his highly secured system that I could
drive a truck through.


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Re[2]: security problem with 8i

2001-07-18 Thread dgoulet

Brian,

Humm, let me guess, SYSTEM right???  Some old concepts die so hard.  Oracle
5 and earlier did not understand the idea of tablespaces, but had partitions
with the system partition being the original and prime one.  Now one could
create other partitions, but that was 'risky' at best whereas Oracle provided a
canned way to add a datafile to the system partition!!!

Dick Goulet

Reply Separator
Author: Brian McGraw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:   7/18/2001 8:56 AM

Ah, War stories...

Reminds me (somewhat) of a company that I consulted, that had been suddently
abandoned by its DBA in November, 1999 - anyone remember the Y2K panic??

They couldn't explan the CPU slowdown and lack of IO throughput.  So I went on
site, and their DBA with 5 years of experience had exactly 3 tablespaces in the
system:  TEMP, RBS, and SYSTEM.  System was  2GB and was composed of about 25
datafiles.  Anyone care to guess where all of the db objects lived???

It was a production system, BTW.  It's nice to feel like a miracle-worker
sometimes.  : )

Brian

Rachel Carmichael wrote:

 I would doubt he's joking. I've had simular experiences

 transferred to another department within the same company. Get a call from
 my old boss our dba is out sick, we HAVE to have this done today, this is a
 highly secured system you have to help and make the changes from this pc

 I go there, cannot log into the database with the username and password he
 gives me. We call the dba (who was really sick), apologize and ask for the
 username and password -- same as what I had. Still does not work. I stop,
 think and say let me try something

 and log in as system/manager

 I do what they ask me to, then take my old boss aside and explain (gently)
 that he has a security hole in his highly secured system that I could
 drive a truck through.

 From: paquette stephane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Re[2]: security problem with 8i
 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:25:48 -0800
 
 Are you joking ?
 
   --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :  Although there
 has been so much publicity of
   security holes in Oracle, in
   particular the listener, the one hole that really
   causes me concern is the
   default passwords for sys and system and/or using
   the username as a password.
   Over the past 2 years I've been to a few sites, like
   4, at a friends request
   and/or on an interview where the manager said show
   me and each time I've been
   able to log onto the DB with any of the following:
  
   sys/change_on_install
   sys/sys
   system/system
   system/manager
  
   Now come on, this was an old V6 thing that we were
   suppose to do, and we're
   still not!!
  
   Dick Goulet
  
   Reply
   Separator
   Author: Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Date:   7/18/2001 5:15 AM
  
   On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 03:45:57AM -0800, Jon
   Walthour wrote:
Listers:
   
My client has asked me to look into this issue and
   determine if they should
be concerned about it or not. Since they don't
   have any db's directly
accessible from the Internet and since their LAN
   is very secure anyway, I'm
inclined to not apply any patches based on the
   premise that if it isn't a
necessary patch, don't apply it in fear of
   breaking something else. What do
you think?
--
  
   two words, disgruntled employee
  
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Re: security problem with 8i

2001-07-18 Thread Thater, William

Farnsworth, Dave wrote:
 
 This is the way my current employers shop was.  After I started here as a
 SQL Server DBA I was told they want me to become the Oracle DBA for a new
 third party app they were getting.  They already had two other apps using
 Oracle.  These other apps were up and running for a couple of years.  Within
 the first couple of months of learning Oracle I was able to access the other
 Oracle databases with the standard SYS and SYSTEM logins.  These were
 systems that at the time, I did not have access to.  Well the next day, I
 told damagement and now I have three Oracle systems. :)
 
 Dave

some days it doesn't pay to open your mouth.;-)



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Re: security problem with 8i

2001-07-18 Thread Rachel Carmichael

nah, I LIKED this boss :)


From: Thater, William [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: security problem with 8i
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:02:52 -0800

Rachel Carmichael wrote:

  and log in as system/manager
 
  I do what they ask me to, then take my old boss aside and explain 
(gently)
  that he has a security hole in his highly secured system that I could
  drive a truck through.

you, my dear goddess, are way to kind.;-)


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Re: Re[2]: security problem with 8i

2001-07-18 Thread tday6

Not at all.  Just last week I had a vendor who came in to install a
package.  They were very upset because SYS didn't have the standard
password and their install script wouldn't work.

I questioned their use of the SYS schema for the installation but powers
wiser than me had me change the SYS password to the standard value and
leave the room.

Hey, it's a job.

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Re: security problem with 8i

2001-07-18 Thread Thater, William

Rachel Carmichael wrote:
 
 nah, I LIKED this boss :)

never had one of those.;-)


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Re[2]: Re[2]: security problem with 8i

2001-07-18 Thread dgoulet

In my book, it was a job.

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Not at all.  Just last week I had a vendor who came in to install a
package.  They were very upset because SYS didn't have the standard
password and their install script wouldn't work.

I questioned their use of the SYS schema for the installation but powers
wiser than me had me change the SYS password to the standard value and
leave the room.

Hey, it's a job.

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RE: Re[2]: security problem with 8i

2001-07-18 Thread lhoska

My old job had never changed any of the default passwords. And the reason
why standard passwords are kept is because it is 'easy to remember'.  Go
figure...

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Not at all.  Just last week I had a vendor who came in to install a
package.  They were very upset because SYS didn't have the standard
password and their install script wouldn't work.

I questioned their use of the SYS schema for the installation but powers
wiser than me had me change the SYS password to the standard value and
leave the room.

Hey, it's a job.

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security problem with 8i

2001-07-09 Thread Bill Conner

Hi All,

i am not sure if this has already been posted or not, but..

--29 June 2001  Oracle8i Database Buffer Overflow Vulnerability
Security experts found and disclosed a pair of vulnerabilities in the
standard and enterprise editions of Oracle8i database.  The Transport
Network Substrate (TNS) Listener has a buffer overflow vulnerability;
a flaw in the SQL Net protocol leaves the system vulnerable to
denial-of- service attacks.  Patches are available.

http://www.computerworld.com/storyba/0,4125,NAV47_STO61802,00.html

-bill

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