[OGD] blooper
Sorry I meant to say in my previous e-mail THAT, NO ONE CAN TELL YOU but the USA CITES Authority.. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re: roth flask-to-bloom
Hi Tom. Well stated. Point taken on the conditions also. Thanks. Ron boyd Tom Franczak said. Jim Pupelis, a well-known paph grower in the Chicago area some 10 to 15 years ago, potted out a flask of roths. The most precocious of the seedlings bloomed 3 1/2 years later. Jum gave it the clonal name "Three and a half" and it remains a conversation item to this day. I traded for a sib from that flask, to which I suppose I could have given the clonal name "Eight" for similar reasons but I didn't. Jim's growing area was much envied, perhaps even more than his outstanding collection of fine clones. He grew under a set of ceiling mounted 400W sodium vapor HID's, had walls and ceiling painted white and sealed against the 85% humidity, had numerous fans always operating, and vents to insure access to cool night air ... it was sweet. The longer I'm part of this hobby, the more convinced I am that virtually all the characteristics we consider desirable in an orchid, whether floriferousness, rapid maturity to blooming size, and even including that catch-all we refer to as flower "quality," are highly correlated to culture. Not to discount the benefits of line breeding ... just look at what Rex x Mt. Milais has accomplished ... but the effects of good culture can be amazing. Tom Franczak ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re Peru Flora Questions
Dot, who asked questions concerning legality of Pk flasks from Peru Flora. There are only two INRENA registered Pk nurseries in Peru, and only these two are licensed to Artificially Propagate Phragmipedium kovachii.They are: 1) Jardineria Manrique, owner Alfredo Manrique, permit 001 2) Orquideas Peruanas, or Orquidaria, or Peru Flora, owner Manuel Arias Silva, permit 002 These two Peruvians were each allowed to collect five Phrag kovachii plants in Pk habitats designated by INRENA. From these five plants they may produce divisions, seed capsules, flasks, hybrids, etc., but only in their own nurseries and their own laboratories. In the Peru Flora brochure, five stock plants are named (clonal names) These five plants belong to Manuel Arias Silva of Lima Peru. Questions sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] , are answered by Manola Arias, who is the son of Manuel Arias. The web page listed as www.peru-flora.com coming soon, does not yet exist. As to your question: >1. The brochure claims that all orders will have CITES and Phytosanitary > Certificates, but are Phragmipedium kovachii flasks really legal?? YES, but let me qualify it as follows: a) these flasks are legal only if they were produced in Manuel Arias' laboratory, using seed capsules grown in his nursery on these five plants. b) these flasks will be legal in the eyes of the Peruvian government, if they issue export CITES certificates and Phytosanitary certificates. c) they will be legal in the importing country, if INRENA down graded the flasked seedlings from App I to App II. As you may know, App I orchids in addition to the above mentioned certificates need import CITES from the importing country CITES authority. >2. Assuming I order and pay Peru Flora for a flasks and Documents, will >I receive the flasks, or is there a chance that they will be >confiscated by the CITES authorities of my country, the USA?THAT NO ONE CAN NOT TELL YOU, but the USA CITES Authority.. I suggest you contact them. INRENA = Peruvian Ministry of Natural Resources; (also Peruvian CITES authority.) CITES Certificate SENASA = Peruvian Ministry of Agriculture. Phytosanitary Certificate. Hope this helps Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Peru-Flora
Greetings, A week or so ago, I posted this question on the OGD: "Has anyone had any contact with a firm called Peru Flora? As I understand, they are an orchid vendor in Peru. Any information about them would be appreciated. I couldn't find a website." The reason I asked this is because we received a copy of a Peru-Flora flyer offering Phragmipedium kovachii flasks for sale. After all that has been said about Phragmipediun kovachii since I've been on this forum, I am very concerned and wonder if someone can answer two questions I have: 1. The brochure claims that all orders will have CITES and Phytosanitary Certificates, but are Phragmipedium kovachii flasks really legal?? 2. Assuming I order and pay Peru Flora for a flasks and Documents, will I receive the flasks, or is there a chance that they will be confiscated by the CITES authorities of my country, the USA? I'd really appreciate information anyone might have about Peru-Flora and this offer. Dot ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re: OD Vol 7, Issue 43 Paph rothschildianum bloom time
Ron & Tom, I have seen a Paph rothschildianum seedling go from flask to flowering in 4 years, yes, that is not a typographic error. Th flower was nice, typical for a rothschildianum, not an award winner. The plant belonged to Jim Pupelis, and unfortunately I don't think is still exists. Jim got out of orchids some 8 or so years ago. Only one seedling in that flask grew that fast. The rest took the normal 6 to 15 years to bloom. One of the reasons the clone '"Rex" is used so often is that it is a particularly fast growing plant for rothschildianum. In the USA, I think the Orchid Inn, Sam Tsui, has the best assortment of 2nd and 3rd generation crosses of Paph rothschildianum bred for both better form, but also better flower count and easier growing. He does have CITES export permits, and does ship flasks world wide. I have always found in every flask there are one or two seedlings that grow much faster than the rest, and bloom sooner than the rest. These are the seedlings that are the most desirable to use in creating the next generations of crosses, either species or hybrid. I am always suprised at the wide variation in maturation seedlings have. I kept 25 or so seedlings from a brachypetalum hybrid, the first 2 bloomed in 3 years, 2 more the 4th year, and now 6 years from flask I have 10 seedlings that have not bloomed yet. Those stragglers are going to the compost heap. It points to both the genetic variation in heritable growth traits and also the fact that I am not a very consistient grower. Above all, I am not going to breed with any of the stragglers, no mater how good the flower. Yes, some of my seedlings are slow because I am not that good of a grower. I am trying to improve. If you are going to invest the time in raising small seedlings to bloom, it is better to raise a whole batch, at least 6 if not 25 or more, from a single cross, keep the 3 or 4 most vigorous seedlings, and at some point, discard the stragglers. Never use a straggler as a breeding plant. The results will be disappointing. There are heritable components of growth characteristics, and for that reason it is bad to use a plant that grows poorly in any kind of propagation program. Cheers, Leo ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Digitization of AOS Magazine
Greetings all, There seems to be a lot of misinformation about the rights of a publisher in his copyright of a collective work(ie AOS Magazine). The ruling of Tasini vs. NYT does NOT prohibit all publication in digital form. The New York Times did not *reproduce* their publication online, they reproduced the articles digitally in a different form from the original publication, and therefore it was deemed by the court to be a new publication. If they had reproduced the New York Times so that it appeared identical to the way it appeared in print they would have had every right to republish it it digital format. The thing that made these electronic databases a new publication was that individual articles were displayed by themselves as the result of a search, not as a part of the original collective work. This was viewed as a new use of the contributors article, not as a reproduction of the original collective work. You can read about this court decision at the following link: http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-201.ZS.html Copyright law allows copyright holders to republish their copyrighted material in whatever media they choose, it is intentionally not media specific. The AOS has the right to republish its own magazine in digital format as long it is a faithful reproduction of the original publication. It is not required to get permission from contributors to do this--they have already given it, and whether or not a new revenue stream is generated is irrelevent. The AOS is moving ahead with this project. Joe Gray intends to post more about this shortly. Helga Gray Wildcatt Database Co. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] MAsdevallias :I checked the Kew World Checklist for synonyms and distribution information
And found the following info: Masdevallia abbreviata Rchb. f. 1878 Distribution:Ecuador to N. Peru 83 ECU PER Lifeform:Epiphyte Masdevallia cocapatae Luer, Teague & Vasquez 1997 Distribution: Bolivia 83 BOL Lifeform:Epiphyte Masdevallia corazonica Schltr. Distribution:WC. Ecuador 83 ECU Lifeform:Epiphyte Heterotypic Synonyms:Masdevallia sphenopetala Kraenzl., Bull. Misc. Inform. Kew 1925: 98 (1925). Masdevallia corniculata Rchb. f. 1878 Distribution:Colombia to E Ecuador 83 CLM ECULifeform:Epiphyte Heterotypic Synonyms: Masdevallia inflata Rchb.f., Gard. Chron., n.s., 16: 716 (1881). Masdevallia calyptrata Kraenzl., Notizbl. Königl. Bot. Gart. Berlin 1: 83 (1895). Masdevallia dimorphotricha Luer & Hirtz, Lindleyana 10: 117 (1995). This name is a synonym. The accepted name : Masdevallia pachyura Rchb.f., Gard. Chron., n.s., 2: 322 (1874). Distribution: SW. Ecuador 83 ECU Lifeform:Epiphyte Masdevallia gnoma H.R.Sweet 1978 Masdevallia gnoma H.R.Sweet, Bot. Mus. Leafl. 26: 41 (1978). This name is a synonym. The accepted name is Masdevallia bangii Schltr., Repert. Spec. Nov. Regni Veg. Beih. 10: 41 (1922). Distribution:Ecuador to Bolivia 83 BOL ECULifeform:Epiphyte Masdevallia hercules Luer & Andreetta 1988 [1989]This name is accepted. Distribution:Ecuador (Morona-Santiago) 83 ECU Lifeform:Epiphyte Masdevallia monicana Luer 1998 This name is accepted. Distribution:Ecuador 83 ECU Lifeform: Epiphyte Masdevallia pulcherrima Luer & Andreetta 1980 This name is accepted. Distribution:Ecuador (Bolívar) 83 ECU Lifeform:Epiphyte Masdevallia racemosa Lindl. 1845 This name is accepted. Distribution:Colombia 83 CLM Lifeform: Epiphyte Masdevallia sertula C.A.Luer & Andreetta 1991 This name is accepted. Distribution:Ecuador (Cañar) 83 ECU Lifeform:Epiphyte Masdevallia vidua Luer & Andreetta 1988/9 This name is accepted. Distribution:Ecuador (Morona-Santiago) 83 ECU Lifeform:Epiphyte Masdevallia villegasii Kvniger 1999 This name is accepted. Distribution:Colombia 83 CLM Lifeform:Epiphyte ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Need help identifying a dendrobium species
Hi all, A very good friend of mine has managed to flower a dendrobium and seek my help to identify the species. I've checked all books that I have including Dendrobium & Its Relative by Lavarack, Harris & Stocker and also Peter O'Byrne's A to Z of S.E.A.. Orchid Species but could not find a match. Any lead is greatly appreciated. FYI, the species is collected in Peninsular Malaysia. Is it a new undescribed species? Please checkout http://zanaf.dyndns.biz/Friends/Rosli/Dendrobium_sp.htm for a picture. I'll will add more pictures later when they becomes available. Thanks in advance. Nik --- Homepage : http://zanaf.dyndns.biz ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Masdevallia - thanks
Dalton : Muito obrigado for sharing the info (from Icones Pleurothallidinarum XXV - Systematics of Masdevallia, part 5) about the Masdevallia species about which Jay posted a query. I added the references you provided (to my checklist of Colombian species) for the following species : Masdevallia corniculata Masdevallia hercules Masdevallia racemosa You wrote : "Masdevallia villegasii Königer Colombia - I didn't find the description" In his book, "Las Orquideas del Genero Masdevallia en Colombia", Pedro Ortiz V. writes : "Masdevallia villegasii Königer, Arcula 9: 253. 1999 Plantas medianas. Inflorescencia erecta, uniflora. Flores de color rojo-marron, amarillas en la base, caudas amarillas ; sepalos laterales: 24 + 24 mm. - Localidad exacta desconocida. - Registro : tipo. - Etim. : dedicada a su cultivador, F. Villegas." (p. 166). Regards, Viateur ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Masdevallia cocapatae
Dear Jay, The following info comes from Luer's green books, as he calls them himself: Dalton Masdevallia abbreviata Rchb. f. subgenus Amanda Western declivities of Ecuador and Peru alt. bet. 1500 - 2400m. (IP XXV - Systematics of Masdevallia, part 5, pp.1117) Masdevallia cocapatae Luer, Teague & Vásquez subgenus Polyantha, section Alaticaules, subsection Alaticaules Cochabamba, Bolivia alt. 2100 m. (IP XIX - Systematics of Masdevallia, part 1, pp.59) Masdevallia corazonica Schltr. subgenus Amanda Syn.: M sphenopetala Kraenzl. Pichincha and Bolívar, in Ecuador endemic in forests, of West Central Ecuador alt. bet. 2000 - 2500m. (IP XXV - Systematics of Masdevallia, part 5, pp.1133) Masdevallia corniculata Rchb. f. subgenus Cucullatia Syn:M. inflata Rchb.f. M. corniculata var. inflata (Rchb.f.) Veitch. M. calyptrata Kraenzl. Eastern of the Andes of Colombia and Ecuador Alt. bet. 2000 - 2500 m (IP XXV - Systematics of Masdevallia, part 5, pp.1189) Masdevallia dimorphotricha Luer & Hirtz subgenus Amanda endemic in a valley in Chaucha, bet. Cuenca and Molleturo, Ecuador alt. bet. 2000 - 2700m. (IP XXV - Systematics of Masdevallia, part 5, pp.1139) Masdevallia hercules Luer & Andreetta subgenus Cucullatia Eastern of the Andes of Colombia and Ecuador Alt. bet. 1300 - 2200 m (IP XXV - Systematics of Masdevallia, part 5, pp.1195) Masdevallia gnoma H.R.Sweet subgenus Masdevallia, section Tritosiphon similar to M. bangii Eastern slopes of the Andes of central Ecuador, Napo , and Pastaza Alt. bet 1000 - 1500 m. (IP XXV - Systematics of Masdevallia, part 5, pp.1103) Masdevallia xmonicana Luer A natural hybrid - I didn't find the description Masdevallia pulcherrima Luer & Andreetta subgenus Amanda A species closely related to M. polysticta, may be considered a variation of it. Endemic in Bolívar, Ecuador alt. abt. 2000 (IP XXV - Systematics of Masdevallia, part 5, pp.1165) Masdevallia racemosa Lindl. subgenus Masdevallia, section Racemosae Syn.: M racemosa var. crossii hort., Nomen nudum. growing in the shade, endemic in subparamo forest, Cauca, Colombia alt. bet. 2800 - 3600m. (IP XXV - Systematics of Masdevallia, part 5, pp.1097) Masdevallia sertula C.A.Luer & Andreetta subgenus Amanda closely related to M. tridens endemic in Southwestern Ecuador, in Cañar and Azuay, Alt. bet. 2000 - 2800 m (IP XXV - Systematics of Masdevallia, part 5, pp.1171) Masdevallia villegasii Königer Colombia - I didn't find the description Masdevallia vidua Luer & Andreetta Subgenus Cucullatia Endemic at Morona-Santiago, Cordillera del Cutucú Ecuador Alt. bet. 1400 - 1800 m. (IP XXV - Systematics of Masdevallia, part 5, pp.1197) ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
