[OGD] Aerides name
Hi Roy. That's what Phil Cribb told me several years ago, so I dutifully changed all my Aerides name-endings to the neuter form. However, Phil never told me why Aerides is neuter (and I had no reason to ask), so, in the wake of Pandelis' "son of" revelation, I'm hoping someone will provide enlightenment. If you know any more about the "why" aspect, I'd like to hear it. Peter O'Byrne in Singapore >Peter I recently had cause to question the currenly accepted name >for what was known as Aerides fieldingii. I e-mailed the Registrar at >the RHS and his reply was the " Roseum" was the accepted name >in use at the RHS. Julian went into detail about masculine & feminine, >neuter? etc . The upshot is that Aerides roseum would be the name >used in the registrations. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] List of Taxonomists (continued)
Message: 4 Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 09:18:29 -0400 From: "Andy Easton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [OGD] Well done Guido! I guess I did give you the lead in for that shot at Kew. Fair enough too, though I think we should allow for someone to learn taxonomy after their earlier forays into other botanical fields. Yes ... that is surely correct. However, when they then start putting the word out, that only they know the truth, and when a President of the AOS (although he was not president at that time yet) states that the opinion of Mr. Potatoexpert is the right one because he works for Kew, it is a bit much. I do think the current AOS list of approved taxonomists, to which you have just been added, I hear rumours of it ... I have not yet received and official word on it is a pretty solid group. There are requirements to publish in the taxonomic arena on a regular basis and individuals who make repeated peer-evaluated errors can be dropped. It surely beats the system of five or more years ago when everyone and his uncle could be a taxonomic expert. As to not taking oneself too seriously, I agree and am sure that could never be said about me. As one of the known hell raisers of the orchid world in my younger days, I still enjoy taking the piss out of people like the Dragon Lady and Alasdair. I will forever praise you for that. I hear that the Dragon Lady put quite some pressure on poor Kenneth, who I will be meeting with at the end of the month, by the way. I have no orchid political ambitions either which is quite liberating. That makes the two of us ... Can we make some kind of aclub out of this? Regards Guido Prof. Dr. Guido J. Braem Naunheimer Str. 17 35633 Lahnau Deutschland/Germany ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Epistephium link
Again, Nina Rach comes to the rescue. http://sobralia.autrevie com/Epistephium_TheGenus.html It has some pictures. Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Iris' correction
Thanks Iris, you are right (although splitting hairs) over my incorrect use of the word "clones" when I clearly meant "plants". (That is what I get for typing too fast, while thinking about something else.) If you don't believe that I understand Orchid Nomenclature, you are free to visit this page: http://www.robert-bedard.com/orchids/name.html ;-) rob't ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Unknown orchid
Dennis is correct. Eric Christenson ad Dave Bennett are the ones who will be able to identify the Sobralia. I was thinking of Sobralia altissima, which I believe grows at a much higher elevation than 1500 meters, where Oliver's' was found growing. However, I must say that I did see a collected S. altissima growing in Peru at 200 meters elevation, where it had already attained a height of 12 feet. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] RE: Orchids Digest, Vol 7, Issue 284
>>"Here is a picture of an orchid found growing at 1500m in Pampa Hermosa, near >>Satipo in Perú. >> http://www.trekperu.org/orchid.jpg >> I would dearly like to know what it is - even the genus! The flowers >> are as illustrated, around 12 cm across. The plant stands around 3-5m >> tall, winding through scrub with flexible 2-3 cm diametre stems. The >> leaves are extremely odd for an orchid. There is no petiole, and the >> leaf entirely encloses the stem, standing 2-3 cm proud on one side and >> 25 cm on the other. Leaves are extremely >> fleshy and rigid - approaching an aloe, almost - and tapering to a sharp >> point >> in a near straight line, much as an aloe does. I could not get to see the >> roots. >> The area is Sobralia territory but I wonder if this is not a Vanilla? Or >> what?" >> >The plant is certainly a Sobralia, as Oliver suggests. It is most definitely >not Sobralia macrantha though. Too tall, wrong locale, and macrantha is one of >the Sobralias that has a greatly reduced inflorescence, not the long racemes >shown in the photo. Eric Christenson knows this genus well, perhaps he will >comment. Actually, both in appearance and the description above it appears to be an Epistephium species. Dave Horak ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re: Orchids Digest, Vol 7, Issue 283
Dear Oliver I am not an expert, but the description of the leaf suggests to me the genus Epistephium. The flower certainly does resemble a Sobralia. I would peruse the web page by Nina Rach, possibly contact her for her opinion. http://www.autrevie.com/Sobralia/ Another good person to contact would be Eric C., David Bennett and others may be able to help with the identity. Leo Here is a picture of an orchid found growing at 1500m in Pampa Hermosa, near Satipo in Perú. http://www.trekperu.org/orchid.jpg ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Aerides name
Peter, I recently had cause to question the currenly accepted name for what was known as Aerides fieldingii. I e-mailed the Registrar at the RHS and his reply was the " Roseum" was the accepted name in use at the RHS. Julian went into detail about masculine & feminine, neuter? etc . The upshot is that Aerides roseum would be the name used in the registrations. Roy.Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] unknown orchid Pampo Hermosa, Peru
Oliver, The orchid pictured is an Epistephium, perhaps E. hernandii. The flowers of the dozen or so species in the genus are all similar. Your guess as to whether it might be Vanilla was a good one, as Dressler places the genus in the subtribe, Vanillinae. Unlike Vanilla, Epistephium does not attach to its support but merely "leans" upon it. A few years ago we were in the Gran Sabana hoping to catch a glimpse of C. violacea in flower. As we were driving down a dirt road one of the members of our party shouted "stop!, I see one!". As we all clambered out of the car to view the bright cerise flowers, we discovered that that it was merely an Epistephium that had wound its way some 20 feet up some shrubs. Greg ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Well done Guido!
Title: Well done Guido! I guess I did give you the lead in for that shot at Kew. Fair enough too, though I think we should allow for someone to learn taxonomy after their earlier forays into other botanical fields. I do think the current AOS list of approved taxonomists, to which you have just been added, is a pretty solid group. There are requirements to publish in the taxonomic arena on a regular basis and individuals who make repeated peer-evaluated errors can be dropped. It surely beats the system of five or more years ago when everyone and his uncle could be a taxonomic expert. As to not taking oneself too seriously, I agree and am sure that could never be said about me. As one of the known hell raisers of the orchid world in my younger days, I still enjoy taking the piss out of people like the Dragon Lady and Alasdair. I have no orchid political ambitions either which is quite liberating. Andy Easton ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re: Clones
In a message dated 6/2/05 10:50:52 PM, Robert Bedard writes: The other clones of Be Tris 'Ching Hua #3' that I have, have never produced a peloric flower. This clone is a pretty stable peloric. You are having a problem with the term clone. Be Tris 'Ching Hua #3' is a clone. Everything with that label is vegetatively reproduced from one original plant. They should all be identical. If you have a specimen or mericlone of 'Ching Hua #3' that is peloric, the name should be changed, as it is a mutation, & therefore a new clone. You should label it 'Ching Hua Sport' or something to indicate the difference. <> It is not odd at all. You are correct. It is a throwback to a more primitive, radially symmetric flower. It occurs in many other plants, including columbines, snapdragons, and African violets. Iris ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] The Mistery Sobralia from Peru
I did a search on the Sobralias annotated for Peru (it is so nice to have the advance search feature in the Kew Monocot Checklist) and I got the following names listed. So it seems that Sobralia macrantha cannot be the plant in question. According to the Kew list, this is the geographical distribution of Sobralia macrantha: 79 MXC MXG MXS MXT 80 BLZ COS ELS (Mexico and Central America). The second thing I have done is do a Google search of each of the species listed. It yielded results for many of the species in the list I have added ONE URL that I found can help you (basically those who have photos) following the name of each species. Those you can cut and paste if the links do not work. 1. Sobralia altissima D.E.Benn. & Christenson, Orchids 68: 1112 (1999). http://sobralia.autrevie.com/Sobralia_altissima.html 2. Sobralia biflora Ruiz & Pav., Syst. Veg. Fl. Peruv. Chil.: 232 (1798). http://www.peruorchids.com/galeria/s/sobralia/sobralia-biflora1.htm 3. Sobralia bletiae Rchb.f., Bot. Zeitung (Berlin) 10: 713 (1852). http://sobralia.autrevie.com/Sobralia_bletiae.html 4. Sobralia calliantha D.E.Benn. & Christenson, Icon. Orchid. Peruv.: t. 760 (2001). I was not able to find a picture containing url . My apologies 5. Sobralia candida (Poepp. & Endl.) Rchb.f., Fl. Serres Jard. Eur. 8: 247 (1853). http://www.orchidspecies.com/sobcandida.htm 6. Sobralia ciliata (C.Presl) C.Schweinf. ex Foldats, in Fl. Venezuela 15(1): 175 (1969). http://sobralia.autrevie.com/Sobralia_ciliata.html 7. Sobralia crocea (Poepp. & Endl.) Rchb.f., Fl. Serres Jard. Eur. 8: 247 (1853). http://sobralia.autrevie.com/Sobralia_crocea.html 8. Sobralia decora Bateman, Orchid. Mexico Guatemala: t. 26 (1842). http://sobralia.autrevie.com/Sobralia_decora.html 9. Sobralia dichotoma Ruiz & Pav., Syst. Veg. Fl. Peruv. Chil.: 232 (1798). http://sobralia.autrevie.com/Sobralia_dichotoma.html 10. Sobralia dorbignyana Rchb.f., Xenia Orchid. 2: 179 (1873). I was not able to find a picture containing url . My apologies 11 .Sobralia elisabethiae R.H.Schomb., Verh. Befoerd. Gartenb. Preuss. 15: 137 (1841). http://www.orchidspecies.com/sobelizabetiae.htm THIS NAME IS REDUCED TO A SYNONYM OF Sobralia liliastrum Lindl., Gen. Sp. Orchid. Pl.: 177 (1833). BY THE PEOPLE AT KEW 12. Sobralia fimbriata Poepp. & Endl., Nov. Gen. Sp. Pl. 1: 54 (1836). http://www.orchidspecies.com/sobrfimbriata.htm 13. Sobralia hirta D.E.Benn. & Christenson, Icon. Orchid. Peruv.: t. 762 (2001). http://sobralia.autrevie.com/Sobralia_hirta.html 14. Sobralia klotzscheana Rchb.f., Linnaea 22: 815 (1850). http://www orchidspecies.com/sobklotscheana.htm 15. Sobralia liliastrum Lindl., Gen. Sp. Orchid. Pl.: 177 (1833). http://www orchidspecies.com/sobliliastrum.htm 16. Sobralia macrophylla Rchb.f., Bot. Zeitung (Berlin) 10: 713 (1852). http://sobralia.autrevie.com/Sobralia_macrophylla.html 17. Sobralia rosea Poepp. & Endl., Nov. Gen. Sp. Pl. 1: 54 (1836). http://www.orchidspecies.com/sobruckeri.htm 18. Sobralia ruparupaensis D.E.Benn. & Christenson, Icon. Orchid. Peruv.: t. 763 (2001). I was not able to find a picture containing url . My apologies 19. Sobralia scopulorum Rchb.f., Xenia Orchid. 2: 176 (1873). I was not able to find a picture containing url . My apologies 20. Sobralia setigera Poepp. & Endl., Nov. Gen. Sp. Pl. 1: 54 (1836). http://www.ne jp/asahi/orchid/sophronitis/DSC03165Sobralia_setigeraMachu2000-2500_500x375 jpg 21. Sobralia stenophylla Lindl., Fol. Orchid. 5: 2 (1854). http://www orchidspecies.com/sobstenophylla.htm22. Sobralia suaveolens Rchb.f., Gard. Chron., n.s., 9: 622 (1878). THIS NAME IS REDUCED TO A SYNONYM OF Sobralia bletiae Rchb.f., Bot. Zeitung (Berlin) 10: 713 (1852). BY THE PEOPLE AT KEW 23. Sobralia violacea Linden ex Lindl., Orchid. Linden.: 26 (1846). http://www.orchidspecies.com/sobviolacea.htm 24 . Sobralia weberbaueriana Kraenzl., Repert. Spec. Nov. Regni Veg. 1: 188 (1905). I was not able to find a picture containing url . My apologies 25. Sobralia withneri D.E.Benn. & Christenson, Icon. Orchid. Peruv.: t. 764 (2001). http://www.orchidspecies.com/sobwithneri.htm It is obvious that this search would have not been as productive as I think it was if it wasnt for the work from many photographers who are willing to share their photos and of compilers of information such as the people at Kew Jay Norris of Orchid Species Fame and , last but not least, Nina Rach whose Sobralia Pages are a mother lode of information. To all of them my thanks. I wish you fun in finding the mistery Sobralia. Jose. PD > Oliver my apologies for no cc this to you I deleted by mistake your email addy. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Peruvian species in Pampa Hermosa
Hi Oliver, Your Peruvian species may be Epistephium duckei Huber rather than a Sobralia. Cheers, Gary Gary Yong Gee & Roger Sawkins Phone 61 (0)7 3398 4222 PO Box 57, Cannon Hill Qld 4170 Australia http://www.yonggee.name ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re: Orchids Digest, Vol 7, Issue 283
Peter Croezen wrote: >Flower looks like Sobralia macrantha. Many thanks - I'll go with that. It was growing with some delicate snow white Sobralias, clinging to rocks. These had the standard reed stem, about 80 cm long, and alternate rounded red-brown leaves about 7 cm along its length. Flowers came one at a time from tight bracts, opening to around 7 Cm in diameter. Snow white, with classical Sobralia habit, some with a touch of yellow on the three-ridged, lightly calloused lip. Any thoughts on which they might be? _ Oliver Sparrow Tel: UK (0)20 7736 9716 www.chforum.org www.treknepal.org www.trekperu.org www.datafreeze.com ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re: Orchids Digest, Vol 7, Issue 283
From: "Andy Easton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [OGD] Reply to Dennis. Andy wrote: "... Although I have been accused of hating all taxonomists, I actually see where they have some value in the orchid world as long as they don't take themselves too seriously. Many posters on this list help to keep the taxonomists "down to earth"! Of course Guido is unique and I always chuckle knowing that his PhD is from a British University. Just imagine how the "Kewites" would treat him if his degree was from some institution in Bulgaria!!!" Well ... just know that the accredited taxonomist from Kew has done his Ph.D. on "The History of the Andean Potato." So far for me caring about what some of the "Kewites" say about me. I wonder how many of the AOS "Approved" taxonomists actually have studied Orchid taxonomy? And Andy, what you say about takings oneself too serious should apply to all individuals of Homo sapiens. Guido Braem -- Prof. Dr. Guido J. Braem Naunheimer Str. 17 35633 Lahnau Deutschland/Germany ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
