[OGD] Young / Hawkes
Kathy Barrett wrote : "Eric Young or Alex D. Hawkes... guidance is appreciated." "Eric Young... first President of BOC" URL : http://www.orchidsandmore.org.uk/pages%20in%20this%20site/The%20history%20of%20BOC.html a trained scientist, he established his foundation in 1958 URL : http://www.ericyoungorchidfoundation.co.uk/ofb.html "Young left Derby in 1947 and set up a shop which eventually became a large chain of jewellery and souvenir shops in Jersey's capital, St Helier... it was his hobby of breeding orchids that made his name. In 1958 he set up a charitable trust, the Eric Young Orchid Foundation, which has one of the finest collections of orchids in the world... The foundation continues Mr Young's work, employing 10 people. ... Young... died suddenly of a heart attack in London in January, 1984, after attending a meeting of the Royal Horticultural Society orchid committee. He was 73." http://www.aiipowmia.com/inter22/in082302search.html ** from an e-mail received 30 May 2003 : "About 30-35 years ago... Hawkes simply decided that he did not want to do it [publish the Orchid Journal] any more. Still he continued to solicit subscribers... Not long after that he left for Florida to become a food and cooking expert." on the OGD [Orchids Digest, Vol 5, Issue 203]: "Alex D. Hawkes... orchidist of the late 1950s, 1960s and early 1970, published many nomenclatural changes and classification schemes... Hawkes started his own journal which lasted only 2-3 volumes and folded. After that Hawkes became a food and cooking expert." on the OGD [Orchids Digest, Vol 5, Issue 245] : " "The Orchid Journal" published/edited by Alex D. Hawkes. ... 3 volumes... the 3rd volume spanned from 1954 until 1959" on the OGD [Orchids Digest, Vol 5, Issue 248] : "He did produce the South Florida Orchid Weekly for a short period, after he returned to Florida. He then went on to cooking and cook books, among other things." on the OGD [Orchids Digest, Vol 5, Issue 251]: "publications by Alex D. Hawkes : "An Orchid Hunting Trip in Central Florida," published in the American Orchid Society Bulletin, August 1944. Orchids; Their Botany and Culture. New York, Harper & Brothers, 1961, 297 pp. Encyclopaedia of Cultivated Orchids. London: Faber and Faber Limited, 1965. Guide to Plants of the Everglades National Park, published by Tropic Isle Publishers in Coral Gables Florida, 1965. A World of Vegetable Cookery, 1968. Cooking with Vegetables, 1975. Flavors of the Caribbean and Latin America : A Personal Collection of Recipes, 1978" ** Regards, VB ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Subject: Pk Controversy: Chuck Acker, Peter Croezen
Barbara, Now I'm a bit confused. You seem to think that the two gentlemen to whom I was referring in my post are Peter Croezen and Chuck Acker. Chuck was in the subject line of the post by a Graham Marriott. It was the attack by Mr. Marriott that I was questioning. Are you saying that Mr. Marriott is your friend? My impression from your post is that Chuck Acker is your friend. No one is questioning the integrity of Mr. Acker. His reputation is impeccable, and his plants are top-notch. My questions were simply directed to Mr. Marriott to back up his claims about Mr. Croezen. The subject line of your post is confusing to me, also. Peter Croezen was not referring to Chuck Acker in his post. From other posts by Mr. Croezen (SlipperTalk, I think), I've observed that he has respect for Chuck. So I'm not quite sure why you are bringing Mr. Acker into this discussion. Chuck certainly did the right thing by his customers, and as far as I can tell from what others have said, so has Glen Decker and his sources/partners. From what I have gleaned from all the posts I've been reading about kovachii, the concern is not so much with the distributors, but with the origins. Maybe we'll never know the whole truth. I'd just like people to go beyond name-calling and discuss facts. Dot __ Dot, I HAVE met one of these men and have been a close friend of his for over a decade. I had a lengthy email conversation with the other man that yielded lots of stories full of innuendo, and with clearly stated rumors. When I mentioned this conversation with him a few months later, he had no recollection of it and said he had no idea who I was. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Eric Young/ Alex D. Hawkes
Anyone know of a biography on either Eric Young or Alex D. Hawkes? All I've been able to google is that Eric Young may have owned a successful series of jewelry stores in the Channel Islands, or he may have been a trained scientist... nevertheless he is rumored to have owned 3 Rolls Royces?? Passed away in 1984 after a meeting of the RHS...??? And there's nothing whatsoever on Alex D, Hawkes. Any guidance is appreciated. K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Win a Zunemake MSN® your homepage for your chance to win! http://homepage.msn.com/zune?icid=hmetagline ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Barbara on Phrag. Haley Decker
Barbara who said: >I am impressed that Glen has raised this to bloom so quickly. Where is >this plant? Does it reside in Peru or here in the US? If it exists in >the US, how could it have come from flasks imported in 2005? >I and others know how long it takes to do this from flask. Can someone >clarify this timeline? The reason I am interested is that so much has >been made of the "legality" of flasks and plants, it just seems to me >that it is way too early to be seeing blooming hybrids from flasks that >were done legally. Barbara, once again do your homework before you raise doubt about Glen's honesty. What you are doing is mixing up CJM's excellent hybrids with those of the competition Jerry Fischer, excellent Phragmipedium grower, (note!!! Vendor for the competition, )here is what he said in a recent post on another forum: >I need to make a correction. In an earlier post I stated that Glen Decker from >Piping Rock Orchids brought flasks of kovachii and >kovachii hybrids into the U.S. in March of 06. That is incorrect. >They were brought in the month of Dec. 05 so it is quite possible >to have hybrid plants in bud at this time. >My apologies to Glen and members of Slippertalk. >Sincerely, Jerry Lee Fischer ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Barbara , Barabara, .........?????
Barabara who, referring to me, says: >It is unfortunate that this person and his partners sold so many >immature flasks that later died. Barbara why do you participate in a discussion when you have not a clue? What is your agenda? As the sole distributor for Canada only, I have no partners and have never offered any Pk flasks for sale nor sold a single one. I only sell de-flasked Pk seedlings of compot size and delivery is not until May 07. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Amazon rainforest in Chicago (US) / URL - correction
"the Amazon rainforest through the eyes of the late British botanical artist-explorer Margaret Mee in an exhibition from the Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew, coming to the Chicago Botanic Garden through March 25, 2007. Flowering Amazon: The Paintings of Margaret Mee includes watercolor drawings, field sketches, diaries and native Brazilian artifacts from Mee's 15 Amazonian expeditions from 1956 to 1988. The exhibition, which bridges the worlds of art, science and conservation through her... botanical art and acute scientific observations, will be on view in the Joutras Gallery of the Regenstein Center through April 8, 2007. At the age of 47, Mee embarked on her first expedition, living for weeks at a time with the Tucano Indians... she recorded native plants in their natural habitats... Her watercolors may be the only visual record of plants that have become instinct due to the destruction of the rainforest. Mee's drawings and sketches have inspired conservationists to continue the work she began to protect fragile ecosystems from destruction. ... the Garden's redesigned and enhanced South Greenhouse... Orchid aficionados will... see the orchid collection has doubled in size." article URL : http://www.huliq.com/13782/chicago-botanic-garden-explores-flora-of-amazon-rainforest ** Regards, VB ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Amazon rainforest in Chicago (US)
"the Amazon rainforest through the eyes of the late British botanical artist-explorer Margaret Mee in an exhibition from the Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew, coming to the Chicago Botanic Garden through March 25, 2007. Flowering Amazon: The Paintings of Margaret Mee includes watercolor drawings, field sketches, diaries and native Brazilian artifacts from Mee's 15 Amazonian expeditions from 1956 to 1988. The exhibition, which bridges the worlds of art, science and conservation through her... botanical art and acute scientific observations, will be on view in the Joutras Gallery of the Regenstein Center through April 8, 2007. At the age of 47, Mee embarked on her first expedition, living for weeks at a time with the Tucano Indians... she recorded native plants in their natural habitats... Her watercolors may be the only visual record of plants that have become instinct due to the destruction of the rainforest. Mee's drawings and sketches have inspired conservationists to continue the work she began to protect fragile ecosystems from destruction. ... the Garden's redesigned and enhanced South Greenhouse... Orchid aficionados will... see the orchid collection has doubled in size." article URL : http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,2375443,00.html?maca=en-rss-en-all-1573-rdf ** Regards, VB ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Pk x St Ouen Timetable
I am curious, I am impressed that Glen has raised this to bloom so quickly. Where is this plant? Does it reside in Peru or here in the US? If it exists in the US, how could it have come from flasks imported in 2005? I and others know how long it takes to do this from flask. Can someone clarify this timeline? The reason I am interested is that so much has been made of the "legality" of flasks and plants, it just seems to me that it is way too early to be seeing blooming hybrids from flasks that were done legally. On top of that, I have noticed all the great response about this cross. To me, seeing a single flowered Phrag that holds this flower for 14 days (tops) is not a great achievement. Crossing Pk with complex or simple besseae crosses is just going to make big puffy single, maybe double flowers at best. The sequential blooming is lost in that type of breeding. I truly believe that the crosses of Pk x longifolium and sargentianum are going to be the foundation of great Pk hybrids, just as it was with besseae which has created some of the best sequentially blooming Phrags to date! That is what I am waiting for. Barbara ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Dot's Post re Chuck
Dot I am certain Barbara is a very nice and honest person. I have a problem with her "logic" She decides which Pk vendor is honest and which Pk vendor is dishonest, while she truly has no knowledge of the Peruvian families the way my Peruvian friends have. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
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[OGD] re 19WOC and CITES
The problem really is that if a person from the EU wants to purchase plants at the 19thWOC they have to have an import permit in advance from their countries management authority. This means they have to know exactly what they want to purchase well in advance of the WOC. Many other countries also require import permits and this all takes time. It is truly time for CITES reform regarding plants and I will shortly begin posting on this forum (and others) proposals as to how CITES could change to accomodate trade in truly art-prop material. I will be looking for feedback and if growers approve of these ideas I will ask for a statement of support. I will then begin to tke this material to CITES officials in the US and Switzerland to see if change can occur. Sincerely, Jerry Lee Fischer ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Pk Controversy: Chuck Acker, Peter Croezen
Dot, I HAVE met one of these men and have been a close friend of his for over a decade. I had a lengthy email conversation with the other man that yielded lots of stories full of innuendo, and with clearly stated rumors. When I mentioned this conversation with him a few months later, he had no recollection of it and said he had no idea who I was. As for the Arias controversy... No one has dibs on facts on this one except Manolo and the workers in the lab there. I am not a supporter of him, but I do support the one who did business with him and am privy to some of the "facts" that many of the speculators out there purport to know but have gotten wrong. First of all, there is no evidence at this time of any deliberate wrongdoing, the operative word here being Deliberate. While it is obvious there is something awry here, there is nothing proved and where I come from, people are innocent until proved guilty. Labs do make mistakes, as all of you know and I'm sure many of you can think of various "mistakes" that have been made in the past. While unfortunate, they are cataclysmic in effect when you think of the countless people in possession of mis-named plants. As I said, there is no concrete evidence that there was intentional wrongdoing. When the true identity of the plants in question came to light and this was brought to Mr Arias' attention, he wasted no time in writing his letter and promised to make good on his product. That is a reasonable and honorable response to this kind of situation. All of this is fact. What irritates me no end is the financial twist some have put on this "saga". The one who is most outspoken against the Arias' has an obvious stake in the matter. It is to his benefit that the Arias's are made to look crooked. If there is only ONE TRUE SUPPLIER, then he and his partners stand to gain financially. Had Mr Croezen not been a player in this game, I would not be so peeved. But I believe he used controversy to line his and his partners' pockets. One would almost wonder if he is behind the events of this controversy since he seems to know so much about it. It is unfortunate that this person and his partners sold so many immature flasks that later died. At that time, no one really knew what conditions they needed to survive, let alone thrive. Couldn't they have waited until they knew how to handle these plants? Did they make money on this? Oh, Yes. Did they replace these flasks? Maybe some, but not all. That is not the case with the one who is my friend. He made an agreement that a lot of you out there speculated about and ridiculed, but he stood by his word. And his integrity saved a lot of you much grief and uncertainty. Had he abandoned the agreement to not sell his plants for 2 years, and sold his plants too early, many of you out there would have plants in your possession that were either dead or not what you paid for. Instead, he waited it out and grew the plants to a better stage of maturity. He took his time, gaining experience and knowledge of the new species. When it became clear to him there was a problem, he took the initiative to find out the facts. Once he knew what he was dealing with, he undid your deals and refunded your money. That was a hardship and a sacrifice from start to finish. But it was the right thing to do and that is what he does. AND, while so many out here in internet land are discussing it and debating the issues, and speculating and attacking, and bragging, and gossiping, and whatever, he has been quietly working in the background, growing the plants, taking care of business, checking things out, and watching out for his customer's best interests. You won't hear him out here blasting his competition, making sly insinuations, and creating doubt in people's minds. He won't stoop to that level. It would be good if everyone would take a lesson from his example. Yes, even me. Enough of this. I have a question of a different, but related matter. I have to go and ask that question in another post. Barbara > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:19:38 -0500 > From: Dorothy & Le Roy Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [OGD] Subject: Re: Chuck Acker > To: orchids@orchidguide.com > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > I must admit that I was taken back at such a strong attack. > > While I've not met either of these two gentlemen, I have, during my > time on both the OGD and SlipperTalk Forums, read many posts by Peter > Croezen. While he may be a bit hot-headed at times, I've not seen any > personal attacks by him regarding anyone involved in the kovachii saga. > > So I am wondering, Mr. Marriott, where is Peter Croezen's "history of > hating people"? How are his words "gossip maker/spreader"? What has > he said that is not true? > > I'd really like to know, because I've been following what Mr. Croezen > has said about the
[OGD] Rospuda Valley / economic development vs. nature protection (Poland)
"A proposed highway would cut through Rospuda Valley in northeast Poland [see a photo : http://www.dw-world.de/image/0,,2375103_4,00.jpg] For some, the Via Baltica highway is northeast Poland's ticket to economic prosperity. The European Commission says the planned transport corridor could harm protected nature preserves and break EU law. ... thick, green forests... peat bog and a marshland... eagles... orchids [The Rospuda Valley is home to 19 of Poland's 31 orchid species]... ... a multiple-lane highway running right through it... classic dilemma of economic development vs. nature protection. [see a map : http://www.dw-world.de/image/0,,2375105_4,00.jpg caption : Red marks the proposed route, green the alternatives by environmentalists] The European Commission has given Poland a Wednesday deadline to stop parts of a planned highway called the Via Baltica from being built. The highway is designed to go through areas protected by EU environmental protection laws. The commission and environmentalists fear that construction of the highway could endanger... rare species of plants... in the Rospuda Valley. ... The EU Commission says Poland must first provide an official assessment of the environmental impact of the proposed highway and offer alternative routes to the proposed one to be reviewed before building can begin. If it does not, the commission says Poland is breaking EU law and would be taken to Europe's highest court. "If Poland fails to respond in a timely and satisfactory manner, the commission will consider taking urgent action and request the European Court of Justice to look at the case and issue an order to suspend work pending a hearing," said EU Environment Commissioner Stavros Dimas. Should it go that far, the court could also impose heavy fines on Poland and be forced to halt building. The roadway would connect Poland to Finland via the Baltic states, connecting Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia to Europe's highway network. The dispute centers, among other things, on approval by Polish authorities to build a 17-kilometer (10-mile) stretch of the highway through the Rospuda Valley. The river valley hosts an ecosystem regarded as the last of its kind in Europe -- home to rare species of flora... A highway could put that at risk. ... "The Polish government has defied EU requests for impact assessment and gone ahead and signed papers for work to start construction," said Barbara Helferrich, European Commission environment spokeswoman. The proposed highway would also go through two other protected nature areas, which environmentalists and the EU Commission say is unacceptable. The commission already issued Poland a warning last December for infringing on environmentally protected areas and in April 2006, Natura 2000 took legal action against Poland for failing to protect biodiversity regions. ... Poland says it is prepared to defend itself should the Via Baltica issue go all the way to the European Court of Justice. "We are ready for that because we are presenting a matter-of-fact, objective and, I think, very detailed argument of our reasons," said Polish Transport Minister Jerzy Polaczek. Poland's environment minister, Jan Szyszko, approved the plans for the highway's construction. Polish officials argue that it would be too expensive to reroute the highway. Also, the planned part of the Via Baltica known as the Augustow bypass is designed to ease the burden on the nearby town of Augustow, which must cope with over 4,000 heavy goods trucks a day. ... Officials say the Via Baltica connecting Warsaw and Helsinki would boost transport, alleviate Augustow and help the region begin the climb out of out of poverty. Tourist traffic would also help fill regional coffers, they claim. ... But that would come at the expense of the natural environment, say the highway's critics. Activists from Greenpeace and other environmental groups have camped out in the forests for weeks, vowing to chain themselves to trees and block road construction work. The protestors are not necessarily against construction of the highway, but they argue it should run along a different route that would cause less environmental damage. One alternative would be designing the highway to go northwest -- around the nature preserves -- rather than the more northeasterly route right through them. ... Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski -- Lech's brother -- has proposed a referendum to decide the fate of the Rospuda Valley. Until now, many local residents have supported the construction of the highway because it could cut down on fatal traffic accidents in the area. ... a recent Polish survey showing that 67 percent are in favor of the longer, more costly route proposed by environmentalists that would bypass the nature preserves. Helfferich of the European Commission said it's not just up to the Polish to decide. "It is a unique nature area in Central Europe, and not only belong
