[Organizers] Re: Monthly organizers zoom meetup 3rd Mondays (TODAY!)

[Reed Wilson via Organizers]

Quick correction, the organizers meet-up is Second Mondays, not Third
Mondays.



On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 10:04 AM Darlene Hamilton via Organizers <
organizers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

> We welcome other dance group organizers that work in a similar manner.
> Every 3rd Monday. We discuss all things topical to running our groups.
>
>
> Organizers of ECD meet-up, this afternoon at 1:30 pm PT/4:30 pm ET.
>
> https://tinyurl.com/ECD-Organizers
>
> Meeting ID: 831 1348 0385 Passcode: community
>
>
> Darlene Hamilton
> Historical Tea & Dance Society
> --
>
> 
>
> Darlene Hamilton
>
> *Caller, Dancer, Founder of*
> *The Historical Tea & Dance Society*
> *Historical Balls, Tea Dances, and Historical Dance classes*
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[Organizers] Re: Need ideas/feedback about how to get new dancers to return

[Alexandra Deis-Lauby via Organizers]

Mary,  

Is the Buffalo dance gender free?  The website tells callers to use gents and 
ladies. If the dance is in fact gender free, then the website needs updating.  
If you are advertising the dance as gender free but use gents and ladies, that 
would certainly not encourage me to return if I were a new dancer. 



> On Mar 13, 2023, at 3:54 PM, Mary Collins via Organizers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Watching this as we have the same issue. We are (I believe) the 2nd largest 
> city in NYS and have the most pitiful turnout.  
> 
> I think you have some good ideas here.  
> 
> One comment: we often or even always speak about our dance not only gender 
> free, no partner necessary to bring, but also as no lessons needed, each 
> dance being taught and "walked through".  Then we advertise "the lesson" b4 
> the dance. If words matter (and I think we agree they do) the this is a huge 
> contradiction.
> 
> I say to people these sets of words & phrasing: easy, walking to music, Only 
> 8 steps, no need to bring partner but a friend is fun, dances are taught, 
> practiced (stole from country line dance & swing) and then they are prompted 
> once the music starts. We offer basic move instruction rather than lesson.
> 
> I don't really know if these changes help, hinder or have no effect. I only 
> know that not having a friend anchor for the first few dances would have 
> resulted in my not coming back. The lesson too. But that's just my perception.
> 
> We give out "get in free" cards and encourage ppl to share theirs with a 
> friend. I also encourage people who say "I told my friends...", to next dance 
> offer to pick them up or meet b4 and come together.
> 
> We also encourage experienced dancers to partner with new dancers.
> 
> I am anxious to hear other's ideas.
> 
> Mary "from Buffalo", not.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 12:49 PM Sandy Seiler via Organizers 
>  > wrote:
> Newbies are not returning my thoughts...
> Why? not feeling welcome?, feeling intimidated/too hard?  Coming late to 
> lesson and being lost/confused during dance?  Lack of feeling of 
> mastery/learning?  Need follow up lesson since we only dance 1x/month?  One 
> month is a long time to wait for another lesson.  Not enough younger dancers 
> like themselves?
> Ideas:
> 1. Use beginner friendly buttons
> 2. Ask experienced dancers to dance with beginners for first 2 dances at 
> least.  Board members lead by example.
> 3. Encourage experienced dancers to come for the beginner lesson to 
> welcome/socialize with new dancers.
> 4. Have caller or one of us give out free passes (pass for next dance) at the 
> lesson so we don't have to remember to do it at the table.  We gave out 15 
> free passes to new dancers in Feb and did not get any to return in March. 
> (March dance was on 2nd sat instead of our normal 3rd sat and it's spring 
> break.  Feb attendance 61, March 38 (paid dancers, not including 3 
> listeners).  Also there was a local magazine article about LBDA in February 
> and we had our most experienced and popular contra dance band (Kaw Creek) 
> playing.
> 5. Our Lesson is at 7:00, Dance 7:30.  Should we use start time 7:00 in 
> advertising bc experienced dancers will figure it out and adjust to coming at 
> 7:30 more easily than new people knowing they need to come at 7:00 for the 
> lesson.  New people attending and being on time for 7:00 lesson is important 
> for a smooth dance so do we need to advertise that way?  Want experienced 
> dancers to be there to meet and socialize with them so they can be better 
> integrated into the community and not feel so awkward.  I have suggested this 
> to our board before, but was told that would be manipulative toward 
> experienced dancers who would be upset that they came too early and wasted 
> their time.  That feels like a very unwelcoming attitude, and I would like to 
> encourage all our dancers to consider that 7:00 is our start time because 
> beginners are important and we need to be there to greet them and socialize.
> 6. Schedule a 1 hour lesson or series of lessons led by experienced callers 
> Lisa and or Jill and a couple new callers... before the dance?  On a 
> different day?  Through Parks and Rec this summer?
> 7. New dancers are far outnumbering experienced dancers.  Need to do advanced 
> dance to pull back in some dancers who drifted away after the pandemic.  
> Contact individually by phone/email?
> 
> And then getting younger people to attend is a whole other but strongly 
> related topic we need to address more effectively.  We are not getting enough 
> young people at dances.  It appears to me that when a young person comes they 
> often decide to not return because there aren't enough people in their age 
> group.  
>  
> Please tell me if you like/encourage these ideas I have come up with so far 
> and add others.
> Especially I want to know how to get new people to come on time for the 
> lesson.  
> Is it ok to advertise 

[Organizers] Re: Need ideas/feedback about how to get new dancers to return

[Mary Collins via Organizers]

Watching this as we have the same issue. We are (I believe) the 2nd largest
city in NYS and have the most pitiful turnout.

I think you have some good ideas here.

One comment: we often or even always speak about our dance not only gender
free, no partner necessary to bring, but also as no lessons needed, each
dance being taught and "walked through".  Then we advertise "the lesson" b4
the dance. If words matter (and I think we agree they do) the this is a
huge contradiction.

I say to people these sets of words & phrasing: easy, walking to music,
Only 8 steps, no need to bring partner but a friend is fun, dances are
taught, practiced (stole from country line dance & swing) and then they are
prompted once the music starts. We offer basic move instruction rather than
lesson.

I don't really know if these changes help, hinder or have no effect. I only
know that not having a friend anchor for the first few dances would have
resulted in my not coming back. The lesson too. But that's just my
perception.

We give out "get in free" cards and encourage ppl to share theirs with a
friend. I also encourage people who say "I told my friends...", to next
dance offer to pick them up or meet b4 and come together.

We also encourage experienced dancers to partner with new dancers.

I am anxious to hear other's ideas.

Mary "from Buffalo", not.


On Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 12:49 PM Sandy Seiler via Organizers <
organizers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

> Newbies are not returning my thoughts...
> Why? not feeling welcome?, feeling intimidated/too hard?  Coming late to
> lesson and being lost/confused during dance?  Lack of feeling of
> mastery/learning?  Need follow up lesson since we only dance 1x/month?  One
> month is a long time to wait for another lesson.  Not enough younger
> dancers like themselves?
> Ideas:
> 1. Use beginner friendly buttons
> 2. Ask experienced dancers to dance with beginners for first 2 dances at
> least.  Board members lead by example.
> 3. Encourage experienced dancers to come for the beginner lesson to
> welcome/socialize with new dancers.
> 4. Have caller or one of us give out free passes (pass for next dance) at
> the lesson so we don't have to remember to do it at the table.  We gave out
> 15 free passes to new dancers in Feb and did not get any to return in
> March. (March dance was on 2nd sat instead of our normal 3rd sat and it's
> spring break.  Feb attendance 61, March 38 (paid dancers, not including 3
> listeners).  Also there was a local magazine article about LBDA in February
> and we had our most experienced and popular contra dance band (Kaw Creek)
> playing.
> 5. Our Lesson is at 7:00, Dance 7:30.  Should we use start time 7:00 in
> advertising bc experienced dancers will figure it out and adjust to coming
> at 7:30 more easily than new people knowing they need to come at 7:00 for
> the lesson.  New people attending and being on time for 7:00 lesson is
> important for a smooth dance so do we need to advertise that way?  Want
> experienced dancers to be there to meet and socialize with them so they can
> be better integrated into the community and not feel so awkward.  I have
> suggested this to our board before, but was told that would be manipulative
> toward experienced dancers who would be upset that they came too early and
> wasted their time.  That feels like a very unwelcoming attitude, and I
> would like to encourage all our dancers to consider that 7:00 is our start
> time because beginners are important and we need to be there to greet them
> and socialize.
> 6. Schedule a 1 hour lesson or series of lessons led by experienced
> callers Lisa and or Jill and a couple new callers... before the dance?  On
> a different day?  Through Parks and Rec this summer?
> 7. New dancers are far outnumbering experienced dancers.  Need to do
> advanced dance to pull back in some dancers who drifted away after the
> pandemic.  Contact individually by phone/email?
>
> And then getting younger people to attend is a whole other but strongly
> related topic we need to address more effectively.  We are not getting
> enough young people at dances.  It appears to me that when a young person
> comes they often decide to not return because there aren't enough people in
> their age group.
>
> Please tell me if you like/encourage these ideas I have come up with so
> far and add others.
> Especially I want to know how to get new people to come on time for the
> lesson.
> Is it ok to advertise dance for 7:00 even though first 30 minutes is
> lesson?  It's frustrating for our callers and then they don't get a full
> lesson which is not good for anyone.
>
>
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[Organizers] Monthly organizers zoom meetup 3rd Mondays (TODAY!)

[Darlene Hamilton via Organizers]

We welcome other dance group organizers that work in a similar manner.
Every 3rd Monday. We discuss all things topical to running our groups.


Organizers of ECD meet-up, this afternoon at 1:30 pm PT/4:30 pm ET.

https://tinyurl.com/ECD-Organizers

Meeting ID: 831 1348 0385 Passcode: community


Darlene Hamilton
Historical Tea & Dance Society
-- 



Darlene Hamilton

*Caller, Dancer, Founder of*
*The Historical Tea & Dance Society*
*Historical Balls, Tea Dances, and Historical Dance classes*
*For more information about events and classes go
to**www.historicalteaanddance.org
*

*Like us on facebook!*
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[Organizers] Need ideas/feedback about how to get new dancers to return

[Sandy Seiler via Organizers]

 Newbies are not returning my thoughts...
Why? not feeling welcome?, feeling intimidated/too hard?  Coming late to
lesson and being lost/confused during dance?  Lack of feeling of
mastery/learning?  Need follow up lesson since we only dance 1x/month?  One
month is a long time to wait for another lesson.  Not enough younger
dancers like themselves?
Ideas:
1. Use beginner friendly buttons
2. Ask experienced dancers to dance with beginners for first 2 dances at
least.  Board members lead by example.
3. Encourage experienced dancers to come for the beginner lesson to
welcome/socialize with new dancers.
4. Have caller or one of us give out free passes (pass for next dance) at
the lesson so we don't have to remember to do it at the table.  We gave out
15 free passes to new dancers in Feb and did not get any to return in
March. (March dance was on 2nd sat instead of our normal 3rd sat and it's
spring break.  Feb attendance 61, March 38 (paid dancers, not including 3
listeners).  Also there was a local magazine article about LBDA in February
and we had our most experienced and popular contra dance band (Kaw Creek)
playing.
5. Our Lesson is at 7:00, Dance 7:30.  Should we use start time 7:00 in
advertising bc experienced dancers will figure it out and adjust to coming
at 7:30 more easily than new people knowing they need to come at 7:00 for
the lesson.  New people attending and being on time for 7:00 lesson is
important for a smooth dance so do we need to advertise that way?  Want
experienced dancers to be there to meet and socialize with them so they can
be better integrated into the community and not feel so awkward.  I have
suggested this to our board before, but was told that would be manipulative
toward experienced dancers who would be upset that they came too early and
wasted their time.  That feels like a very unwelcoming attitude, and I
would like to encourage all our dancers to consider that 7:00 is our start
time because beginners are important and we need to be there to greet them
and socialize.
6. Schedule a 1 hour lesson or series of lessons led by experienced callers
Lisa and or Jill and a couple new callers... before the dance?  On a
different day?  Through Parks and Rec this summer?
7. New dancers are far outnumbering experienced dancers.  Need to do
advanced dance to pull back in some dancers who drifted away after the
pandemic.  Contact individually by phone/email?

And then getting younger people to attend is a whole other but strongly
related topic we need to address more effectively.  We are not getting
enough young people at dances.  It appears to me that when a young person
comes they often decide to not return because there aren't enough people in
their age group.

Please tell me if you like/encourage these ideas I have come up with so far
and add others.
Especially I want to know how to get new people to come on time for the
lesson.
Is it ok to advertise dance for 7:00 even though first 30 minutes is
lesson?  It's frustrating for our callers and then they don't get a full
lesson which is not good for anyone.
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