RE: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note.

[Don Gaul]

You might also want to look at the following link for how to papers

http://otn.oracle.com/products/jdev/content.html

Near the bottom you'll see:

JDeveloper 3.2 Technical Information
HTMLHow To Deploy a BC4J Application to the Oracle9iAS J2EE Container
HTMLHow To Develop EJB Session Beans and Deploy Them to the Oracle9iAS
J2EE Container
HTMLHow To Develop Entity Beans and Deploy Them to the Oracle9iAS J2EE
Container
HTMLHow To Remotely Debug a Java Servlet on the Oracle9iAS J2EE Container


Don

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of elephantwalker
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 11:53 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note.

J,

I am an oracle customer. All you have to do is call support, and they answer
questions about orion. They also have good attempt at documentation:

http://technet.oracle.com/docs/tech/java/oc4j/htdocs/getstart.htm#1016486

You will have to create an account with otn, but that's pretty easy to do by
going to :

http://technet.oracle.com/index.html, and clicking the membership link. Its
free.

Regards,

the elephantwalker

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jay Armstrong
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 10:22 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note.


Nathan,

A lot of what you're saying is true.  I acknowledge that Orion is
relatively fast and has some great features (like auto-reconfigure), but I
recall that Orion used to claim that it was the fastest J2EE product (or
something like that), then had to remove that claim from the
orionserver.com site (I think BEA challenged the claim).

Also, one of the first questions I get asked when recommending software for
clients is about support.  It's probably the primary reason why major
systems do not rely on open products, or semi-open products like Orion.

Yes, Karl and Magnus built a fabulous product, but where's the support
(documentation, help desk, etc)?

I am not applauding the support for WebLogic, WebsFear, IPlanit, etc, but
if I report a problem with WebLogic to BEA, eventually it will filter to
the gurus, who will respond (usually they ask for a reconfigure, restart,
and a dump).

Who will handle this for Orion/Oracle?  Karl and Magnus?  They rarely
respond now, so don't you think they could get even more overwhelmed?

Please, point me to where Ellison talked about support.

Jay

At 09:32 AM 6/11/01 -0500, you wrote:
On a different note concerning the Oracle deal:

I wasn't at JavaOne, but I've been reading all about it on the web.  One
news story that I've seen a lot about is Larry Ellison and Bill Coleman's
little fight.  Oracle has put Orion in the big leagues... I mean, Karl
could
have produced all sorts of documentation that said Orion is better then
Weblogic, but BEA would have paid it no attention.  However, when Oracle
says Oracle is better then Weblogic, BEA certainly takes notice!

I consider this a great victory for Ironflare, the J2EE community, and
every
single young person hacking away in his garage.  This proves it--a few
talented and committed developers can accomplish anything they set their
minds too.  I think Larry Ellison said it best, when, at JavaOne, he said
We have thrown out literally all of our old Java code.  The reason we
threw
away all of our old J2EE implementations is we had to build a high
performance, scaleable version of J2EE. We think that this is a huge
breakthrough for the entire Java community because it addresses the single
biggest threat to Java, which is performance.

And we, all of us on this list, know what Larry Ellison was really
saying...

We replaced all our old Java code with the code from a small Swedish
company called Ironflare.  The reason we threw away all of our old J2EE
implementations was that, plain and simple, these two Swedish guys are
studs, and had managed to build a high performance, scaleable version of
J2EE when we had largely failed internally.  We think that this is a huge
breakthrough for the entire Java community because it addresses the single
biggest threat to Java, which is performance.

   -LARRY ELLISON
CEO, ORACLE


Now, that is sweet!

Orion Newbie Question about frontend with Apache and disabling the Orion listener

[Don Gaul]

Someone asked me the other day when were discussing
Orion and Oracle IAS9i/OC4J whether you could use an Apache front end and the
answer is well documented, on the Orion (and/or Orionserver) web site as well
as in the Oracle OC4J documentation, as YES.



Then I was asked 



Can I guarantee that all web traffic to the
web server is ONLY going through the Apache front-end and not doing an
end-around by using the Orion listener as a back door? Im assuming he wanted to disable the
Orion listener to force the Apache front end as the sole point of contact



Ive checked the Orion and Orionserver web
sites, as well as the Oracle OC4J doc, and I cant find how to do this 



Either I missed it (VERY probably the case)
or its not possible 



Any advice on how to do this would be
appreciated.









By the way 



Im very pleased that Oracle has identified
this outstanding product exists and managed to persuade the Ironflare developers
to let Oracle acquire the right to incorporate it into IAS9i. 



I missed Java One. Does anyone have a web site where this quote
is listed?



I think Larry Ellison said it best, when, at Java One, he
said 



We have thrown out literally all of our old Java
code. The reason we threw away all
of our old J2EE implementations is we had to build a high

performance, scaleable version of J2EE. We think that this
is a huge breakthrough for the entire Java community because it addresses the
single

biggest threat to Java, which is performance.



It sounds like him!!















Don aka Bubba