RE: List rant (was RE: Virtual DirecTory -- Help)
Hey, for some of us this is entertainment worth staying up for! Just kidding, I'm in Europe right now so it was much later than 6am then! Hani On Sun, 26 Aug 2001, Juan Lorandi (Chile) wrote: Hani is in PST time zone too? Maybe it took 11 minutes tu be delivered (pretty fast for an email in a list). BTW Hani, you're posting to orion-interest Sunday at 6 am? I'm getting REALLY worried. Juan Pablo. -Original Message- From: Alex Paransky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Domingo, 26 de Agosto de 2001 11:28 To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: List rant (was RE: Virtual DirecTory -- Help) You are missing the point. The list is broken most of the time. You send your message at 6:21am, I get it at 7:32am. More than 1 hour later. Sometimes, I get at 2 hours later, 20 hours later, 24 hours later. Many times I don't get it at all. What good is it to have a list that you cannot rely on. If you have a problem which needs addressing fast, you don't want to wait for 24 or 48 hours while the list sends the question to all the people. Sometimes, it does not send at all. So many of us have been making 1, 2, 3, or more postings to the list, just to PUSH the damn message through. Furthermore, I hate having to type a long detailed response, only to not have it go through on the list. It's a waste of my time. So, I think, this list should be closed, and people redirected to the Yahoo list. By the way, I just posted to the Yahoo list and I see the message in my mail box 3 minutes later. That's response time! -AP_ PS: Let's see how long it takes this message to get propagated. It's Sunday, August 26th, 2001 8:28am PST. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hani Suleiman Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 6:21 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: List rant (was RE: Virtual DirecTory -- Help) I have to add my voice to this. This is just an example of the problems that can happen when a lot of well meaning and eager people do what seems to be a good idea, yet turns out to do nothing beyond make the problem they're trying to fix even worse. The people who end up suffering are those who need actual help with Orion, as every new mailing list further dilutes the pool of competent knowledgable people present on any given resource that can provide help. I for one will NOT be joining any orion related mailing lists other o-i, and I would go so far as asking you all to likewise resist the temptation of 'encouraging' these other lists, for the following reasons: - Any individual list is 'worth less', as it's only a subset of the community. - The barrier of entry to Orion is higher (who wants to join 4 mailing lists just to ask a simple question?) - Bias that is very likely to occur (MY support site/list/whatever is cooler/better/richer than yours!) - Turf issues. (don't crosspost to our list! Go away and ask *that* list! Oh now you come to us after you failed on *that* list?) - Same old same old. Does anyone truly think the rash of 'is Orion dead/gone/sold out' and 'have Magnus/Karl given up/died/become hermits/taken up fishing/sold out' questions that pop up every couple of months iks going to dimish? On the contrary, now you get per-list threads about the exact same thing! Wheee! Of course, feel free to ignore all this and join six orion related lists and sign up with four orion support websites. More power to you. Hani On Sun, 26 Aug 2001, Mike Cannon-Brookes wrote: Guys, I'm both for and against this new Orion list, but surely we're solving NOTHING other than creating more email if we send support messages to both lists? (Meaning everyone subscribes to both lists, everyone get's everything twice) Is there a sensible way we can resolve this? Personally I'd say use o-i when it's up, only use the egroups list when there's a problem. -mike Mike Cannon-Brookes :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Atlassian :: http://www.atlassian.com Supporting YOUR J2EE World -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Daniele Arduini Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 7:14 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: Virtual DirecTory -- Help Eddie Post wrote: Hellu, I am trying to exculde my JSP files from the war file, such that the designer can easily change them without my help (withoud deployment, etc...). Anyone any idea/advice how to do that as I tried many things, but appearantly am not able to succeed ? 1. create an orion user and an orion group. 2. chown -R orion:orion /opt/orion 3. Run Orion as orion user from a shell script
List rant (was RE: Virtual DirecTory -- Help)
I have to add my voice to this. This is just an example of the problems that can happen when a lot of well meaning and eager people do what seems to be a good idea, yet turns out to do nothing beyond make the problem they're trying to fix even worse. The people who end up suffering are those who need actual help with Orion, as every new mailing list further dilutes the pool of competent knowledgable people present on any given resource that can provide help. I for one will NOT be joining any orion related mailing lists other o-i, and I would go so far as asking you all to likewise resist the temptation of 'encouraging' these other lists, for the following reasons: - Any individual list is 'worth less', as it's only a subset of the community. - The barrier of entry to Orion is higher (who wants to join 4 mailing lists just to ask a simple question?) - Bias that is very likely to occur (MY support site/list/whatever is cooler/better/richer than yours!) - Turf issues. (don't crosspost to our list! Go away and ask *that* list! Oh now you come to us after you failed on *that* list?) - Same old same old. Does anyone truly think the rash of 'is Orion dead/gone/sold out' and 'have Magnus/Karl given up/died/become hermits/taken up fishing/sold out' questions that pop up every couple of months iks going to dimish? On the contrary, now you get per-list threads about the exact same thing! Wheee! Of course, feel free to ignore all this and join six orion related lists and sign up with four orion support websites. More power to you. Hani On Sun, 26 Aug 2001, Mike Cannon-Brookes wrote: Guys, I'm both for and against this new Orion list, but surely we're solving NOTHING other than creating more email if we send support messages to both lists? (Meaning everyone subscribes to both lists, everyone get's everything twice) Is there a sensible way we can resolve this? Personally I'd say use o-i when it's up, only use the egroups list when there's a problem. -mike Mike Cannon-Brookes :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Atlassian :: http://www.atlassian.com Supporting YOUR J2EE World -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Daniele Arduini Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 7:14 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: Virtual DirecTory -- Help Eddie Post wrote: Hellu, I am trying to exculde my JSP files from the war file, such that the designer can easily change them without my help (withoud deployment, etc...). Anyone any idea/advice how to do that as I tried many things, but appearantly am not able to succeed ? 1. create an orion user and an orion group. 2. chown -R orion:orion /opt/orion 3. Run Orion as orion user from a shell script: ... umask 002 # IMPORTANT! cd /opt/orion java -jar orion.jar $@ ... 4. add your designer to the orion group. in /etc/group: ... orion::204:designer ... 5. use symbolic links to enable access .jsp pages from designer's home. bye, Daniele Arduini What I tried (I am running on a linux box, RedHat 7.0, Orion 1.5.1, JDK 1.3) ? - First I changed the jsp entry in my web.xml, from a relative path to a absolute path, that doesn't work, as he always starts looking from within the web application: --- servlet servlet-nameMainWebShop/servlet-name display-nameMain page of web-shop/display-name description/description jsp-file/home/development/vwr/web-client/jsp/webwinkel/html/main .jsp/jsp- file /servlet -- - I did add a virtual directoy entry in orion-web.xml of the the default web application, as the application runs under the default web application: - virtual-directory real-path=/home/development/vwr/web-client/jsp virtual-path=/VWR/jsp / However this doesn't work as the j2ee application itself listens to the root url /VWR/. It also tried the following: - virtual-directory real-path=/home/development/vwr/web-client/jsp virtual-path=/VWR_jsp / Which works but then the jsp's don't run in the application environment, and as such you need to make a connection as if you were an external j2ee client, which isn't very logical ofcource. - I tried to put a symbolic link in the war file to the jsp's, but jar doesn't understand that. It will just copy all the files. Any ideas are more than welcome. Eddie :(
RE: List rant (was RE: Virtual DirecTory -- Help)
You are missing the point. The list is broken most of the time. You send your message at 6:21am, I get it at 7:32am. More than 1 hour later. Sometimes, I get at 2 hours later, 20 hours later, 24 hours later. Many times I don't get it at all. What good is it to have a list that you cannot rely on. If you have a problem which needs addressing fast, you don't want to wait for 24 or 48 hours while the list sends the question to all the people. Sometimes, it does not send at all. So many of us have been making 1, 2, 3, or more postings to the list, just to PUSH the damn message through. Furthermore, I hate having to type a long detailed response, only to not have it go through on the list. It's a waste of my time. So, I think, this list should be closed, and people redirected to the Yahoo list. By the way, I just posted to the Yahoo list and I see the message in my mail box 3 minutes later. That's response time! -AP_ PS: Let's see how long it takes this message to get propagated. It's Sunday, August 26th, 2001 8:28am PST. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hani Suleiman Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 6:21 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: List rant (was RE: Virtual DirecTory -- Help) I have to add my voice to this. This is just an example of the problems that can happen when a lot of well meaning and eager people do what seems to be a good idea, yet turns out to do nothing beyond make the problem they're trying to fix even worse. The people who end up suffering are those who need actual help with Orion, as every new mailing list further dilutes the pool of competent knowledgable people present on any given resource that can provide help. I for one will NOT be joining any orion related mailing lists other o-i, and I would go so far as asking you all to likewise resist the temptation of 'encouraging' these other lists, for the following reasons: - Any individual list is 'worth less', as it's only a subset of the community. - The barrier of entry to Orion is higher (who wants to join 4 mailing lists just to ask a simple question?) - Bias that is very likely to occur (MY support site/list/whatever is cooler/better/richer than yours!) - Turf issues. (don't crosspost to our list! Go away and ask *that* list! Oh now you come to us after you failed on *that* list?) - Same old same old. Does anyone truly think the rash of 'is Orion dead/gone/sold out' and 'have Magnus/Karl given up/died/become hermits/taken up fishing/sold out' questions that pop up every couple of months iks going to dimish? On the contrary, now you get per-list threads about the exact same thing! Wheee! Of course, feel free to ignore all this and join six orion related lists and sign up with four orion support websites. More power to you. Hani On Sun, 26 Aug 2001, Mike Cannon-Brookes wrote: Guys, I'm both for and against this new Orion list, but surely we're solving NOTHING other than creating more email if we send support messages to both lists? (Meaning everyone subscribes to both lists, everyone get's everything twice) Is there a sensible way we can resolve this? Personally I'd say use o-i when it's up, only use the egroups list when there's a problem. -mike Mike Cannon-Brookes :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Atlassian :: http://www.atlassian.com Supporting YOUR J2EE World -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Daniele Arduini Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 7:14 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: Virtual DirecTory -- Help Eddie Post wrote: Hellu, I am trying to exculde my JSP files from the war file, such that the designer can easily change them without my help (withoud deployment, etc...). Anyone any idea/advice how to do that as I tried many things, but appearantly am not able to succeed ? 1. create an orion user and an orion group. 2. chown -R orion:orion /opt/orion 3. Run Orion as orion user from a shell script: ... umask 002 # IMPORTANT! cd /opt/orion java -jar orion.jar $@ ... 4. add your designer to the orion group. in /etc/group: ... orion::204:designer ... 5. use symbolic links to enable access .jsp pages from designer's home. bye, Daniele Arduini What I tried (I am running on a linux box, RedHat 7.0, Orion 1.5.1, JDK 1.3) ? - First I changed the jsp entry in my web.xml, from a relative path to a absolute path, that doesn't work, as he always starts looking from within the web application: --- servlet servlet-nameMainWebShop/servlet-name display-nameMain page of web-shop/display-name description/description jsp-file/home/development/vwr/web-client/jsp/webwinkel/html/main .jsp/jsp- file /servlet -- - I did add a virtual directoy entry in orion
RE: List rant (was RE: Virtual DirecTory -- Help)
Hani is in PST time zone too? Maybe it took 11 minutes tu be delivered (pretty fast for an email in a list). BTW Hani, you're posting to orion-interest Sunday at 6 am? I'm getting REALLY worried. Juan Pablo. -Original Message- From: Alex Paransky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Domingo, 26 de Agosto de 2001 11:28 To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: List rant (was RE: Virtual DirecTory -- Help) You are missing the point. The list is broken most of the time. You send your message at 6:21am, I get it at 7:32am. More than 1 hour later. Sometimes, I get at 2 hours later, 20 hours later, 24 hours later. Many times I don't get it at all. What good is it to have a list that you cannot rely on. If you have a problem which needs addressing fast, you don't want to wait for 24 or 48 hours while the list sends the question to all the people. Sometimes, it does not send at all. So many of us have been making 1, 2, 3, or more postings to the list, just to PUSH the damn message through. Furthermore, I hate having to type a long detailed response, only to not have it go through on the list. It's a waste of my time. So, I think, this list should be closed, and people redirected to the Yahoo list. By the way, I just posted to the Yahoo list and I see the message in my mail box 3 minutes later. That's response time! -AP_ PS: Let's see how long it takes this message to get propagated. It's Sunday, August 26th, 2001 8:28am PST. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hani Suleiman Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 6:21 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: List rant (was RE: Virtual DirecTory -- Help) I have to add my voice to this. This is just an example of the problems that can happen when a lot of well meaning and eager people do what seems to be a good idea, yet turns out to do nothing beyond make the problem they're trying to fix even worse. The people who end up suffering are those who need actual help with Orion, as every new mailing list further dilutes the pool of competent knowledgable people present on any given resource that can provide help. I for one will NOT be joining any orion related mailing lists other o-i, and I would go so far as asking you all to likewise resist the temptation of 'encouraging' these other lists, for the following reasons: - Any individual list is 'worth less', as it's only a subset of the community. - The barrier of entry to Orion is higher (who wants to join 4 mailing lists just to ask a simple question?) - Bias that is very likely to occur (MY support site/list/whatever is cooler/better/richer than yours!) - Turf issues. (don't crosspost to our list! Go away and ask *that* list! Oh now you come to us after you failed on *that* list?) - Same old same old. Does anyone truly think the rash of 'is Orion dead/gone/sold out' and 'have Magnus/Karl given up/died/become hermits/taken up fishing/sold out' questions that pop up every couple of months iks going to dimish? On the contrary, now you get per-list threads about the exact same thing! Wheee! Of course, feel free to ignore all this and join six orion related lists and sign up with four orion support websites. More power to you. Hani On Sun, 26 Aug 2001, Mike Cannon-Brookes wrote: Guys, I'm both for and against this new Orion list, but surely we're solving NOTHING other than creating more email if we send support messages to both lists? (Meaning everyone subscribes to both lists, everyone get's everything twice) Is there a sensible way we can resolve this? Personally I'd say use o-i when it's up, only use the egroups list when there's a problem. -mike Mike Cannon-Brookes :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Atlassian :: http://www.atlassian.com Supporting YOUR J2EE World -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Daniele Arduini Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 7:14 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: Virtual DirecTory -- Help Eddie Post wrote: Hellu, I am trying to exculde my JSP files from the war file, such that the designer can easily change them without my help (withoud deployment, etc...). Anyone any idea/advice how to do that as I tried many things, but appearantly am not able to succeed ? 1. create an orion user and an orion group. 2. chown -R orion:orion /opt/orion 3. Run Orion as orion user from a shell script: ... umask 002 # IMPORTANT! cd /opt/orion java -jar orion.jar $@ ... 4. add your designer to the orion group. in /etc/group: ... orion::204:designer ... 5. use symbolic links to enable access .jsp pages from designer's home. bye, Daniele Arduini
