[osdcmy-public] Lets flirt or...

[Camellia]

Hi to community, Im first time here.
Life is boring and uninteresting, entertain me :)

Lets flirt or maybe something more?
Im here:
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[osdcmy-public] Re: Lets flirt or...

[darXness darXness]

SPAM

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[osdcmy-public] Re: Lets flirt or...

[Harisfazillah Jamel]

Sudah buang... Sebelum ni dia spam group OSS lain...

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:30 PM, darXness darXness  wrote:
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[osdcmy-public] We are not in the top 30 unis of Asia!

[red1]

http://www.topuniversities.com/worlduniversityrankings/asianuniversityrankings/asian_university_rankings_top_200_universities/

What more in the top 100 of the world 
http://www.topuniversities.com/university_rankings/results/2008/overall_rankings/top_100_universities/

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[osdcmy-public] Re: We are not in the top 30 unis of Asia!

[sweemeng ng]

Thats the issue isn't it.
Concern about the rating.

Not to mention, local universities job is to provide workforce to the
industry, the easiest way possible
which is really sad, because not just they did not do that. Thats not a
university job for the first place. They got more than just giving the
industry


On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 6:17 PM, red1  wrote:

>
>
> http://www.topuniversities.com/worlduniversityrankings/asianuniversityrankings/asian_university_rankings_top_200_universities/
>
> What more in the top 100 of the world
>
> http://www.topuniversities.com/university_rankings/results/2008/overall_rankings/top_100_universities/
>
> Odds should challenge you. Do it not because it is easy, but because it
> is hard <-- stole from John F. Kennedy's speech.
>
> >
>

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[osdcmy-public] Re: Lets flirt or...

[Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini]

lol

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel <
linuxmalay...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Sudah buang... Sebelum ni dia spam group OSS lain...
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:30 PM, darXness darXness 
> wrote:
> >
> > SPAM
> >
> > >
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[osdcmy-public] Re: We are not in the top 30 unis of Asia!

[red1]

sweemeng ng wrote:
> Thats the issue isn't it.
> Concern about the rating.
>
> Not to mention, local universities job is to provide workforce to the 
> industry, the easiest way possible
> which is really sad, because not just they did not do that. Thats not 
> a university job for the first place. They got more than just giving 
> the industry
>
 What is interesting in the ranking criteria is that original research 
scores 60% of the marks whereas employability of the grads score 10%. 
That is what set the best apart from the rest - not cari makan but cari 
ilmu.

A world class graduate is one who goes to university to learn how to 
make the world a better place, not find for him/herself a better place.

Open Source is ours to change the world, not our childish rebellious 
escapism.

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[osdcmy-public] Re: Linux Varsiti - panggilan untuk sukarelawan

[Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini]

nampaknya Linux Varsiti di UTM akan berlangsung tak lama lagi..
tapi para speaker masih lagi tak mencukupi (sebab ada yang masih belum beri
saya confirmation)..
at this time, yang confirm is KatieKitty's "Pelajar IT dalam Sumber Terbuka"
and my speech (more on Ubuntu stuff)..
to e1 and also especially to red1, any topic? because both of you are the
most requested speaker for this UTM edition..

lain-lain yang berminat boleh isi slot bengkel dari jam 2ptg hingga ptg
(boleh untuk 2 topik)..
and please fill in this form :-

http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dG9wbXBHamFwMWt3emFFYnB0dFZEeHc6MA
..

HAPAT DAPAT MAKLUMAT DENGAN SEGERA! printing akan dimulakan pada hari Isnin
nanti. Harap Maklum

2009/9/24 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 

>
>
> 2009/9/24 Hafiz Bhari 
>
>> website linuxvarsiti dah suspended yerk.
>>
>> sebenarnye tengah mengurus domain baru..
> nanti akan dimaklumkan domain tu..
>
>
>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 6:32 PM, darXness darXness wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> haha..baru nak tgr...sian lak ko ulang alik kuali.hihihi...kalo xcukup
>>> tmpt,sewa bilik ramai2 la..baru sonok.hehe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Hafiz
>>
>>
>> >>
>>
>

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[osdcmy-public] Re: Linux Varsiti - panggilan untuk sukarelawan

[red1]

Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini wrote:
> nampaknya Linux Varsiti di UTM akan berlangsung tak lama lagi..
> tapi para speaker masih lagi tak mencukupi (sebab ada yang masih belum 
> beri saya confirmation)..
> at this time, yang confirm is KatieKitty's "Pelajar IT dalam Sumber 
> Terbuka" and my speech (more on Ubuntu stuff)..
> to e1 and also especially to red1, any topic? because both of you are 
> the most requested speaker for this UTM edition..
>
> lain-lain yang berminat boleh isi slot bengkel dari jam 2ptg hingga 
> ptg (boleh untuk 2 topik)..
> and please fill in this form :-
How about this topic?:

"How Open Source Opens For You A Better World". It will be delivered in 
university english only.

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[osdcmy-public] Re: Linux Varsiti - panggilan untuk sukarelawan

[Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini]

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 8:13 PM, red1  wrote:

> How about this topic?:
>
> "How Open Source Opens For You A Better World". It will be delivered in
> university english only.
>

pastinya akan menjadi sesuatu yang sangat menarik [?]

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[osdcmy-public] Re: Linux Varsiti - panggilan untuk sukarelawan

[Mohd Hidzuan]

Salam Syawal ke -6,

topik seperti dipersetujui... ada ok kah?

"pengenalan kepada perisian sumber terbuka"

1 jam kan... so nak mula dengan basic kan.. boleh tau siapa yang ada dalam
dewan tu.. fakulti IT kah.. lecturer kah.. any VIP ker VVIP..

ok tuan.. slide mau sekarang kah?

Salam Syawal sekali lagi.

...
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Sent from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Pablo Picasso
- "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 8:17 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini <
jipangmenje...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 8:13 PM, red1  wrote:
>
>> How about this topic?:
>>
>> "How Open Source Opens For You A Better World". It will be delivered in
>> university english only.
>>
>
> pastinya akan menjadi sesuatu yang sangat menarik [?]
>
>
> >
>

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[osdcmy-public] Re: Linux Varsiti - panggilan untuk sukarelawan

[Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini]

majoriti student..
lecturer pasti ada..

slide kasi simpan dulu, nanti serah hari sebelum event.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Mohd Hidzuan  wrote:

> Salam Syawal ke -6,
>
> topik seperti dipersetujui... ada ok kah?
>
> "pengenalan kepada perisian sumber terbuka"
>
> 1 jam kan... so nak mula dengan basic kan.. boleh tau siapa yang ada dalam
> dewan tu.. fakulti IT kah.. lecturer kah.. any VIP ker VVIP..
>
> ok tuan.. slide mau sekarang kah?
>
> Salam Syawal sekali lagi.
>
> ...
> To follow the path, look to the master,
> follow the master, walk with the master,
> see through the master, become the master.
>
> Selasih Net Enterprise
> "we never sleep, we just park our head"
>
>
> Sent from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
> Pablo Picasso 
> - "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 8:17 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini <
> jipangmenje...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 8:13 PM, red1  wrote:
>>
>>> How about this topic?:
>>>
>>> "How Open Source Opens For You A Better World". It will be delivered in
>>> university english only.
>>>
>>
>> pastinya akan menjadi sesuatu yang sangat menarik [?]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> >
>

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[osdcmy-public] Re: Linux Varsiti - panggilan untuk sukarelawan

[Mohd Hidzuan]

so tuan .. tajuk tu ok kah... nak buat muka hadapan ni.. kui..kui..kui..
satu ai satu slide... muahahahaha
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On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini <
jipangmenje...@gmail.com> wrote:

> majoriti student..
> lecturer pasti ada..
>
> slide kasi simpan dulu, nanti serah hari sebelum event.
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Mohd Hidzuan  wrote:
>
>> Salam Syawal ke -6,
>>
>> topik seperti dipersetujui... ada ok kah?
>>
>> "pengenalan kepada perisian sumber terbuka"
>>
>> 1 jam kan... so nak mula dengan basic kan.. boleh tau siapa yang ada dalam
>> dewan tu.. fakulti IT kah.. lecturer kah.. any VIP ker VVIP..
>>
>> ok tuan.. slide mau sekarang kah?
>>
>> Salam Syawal sekali lagi.
>>
>> ...
>> To follow the path, look to the master,
>> follow the master, walk with the master,
>> see through the master, become the master.
>>
>> Selasih Net Enterprise
>> "we never sleep, we just park our head"
>>
>>
>> Sent from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
>> Pablo 
>> Picasso - 
>> "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 8:17 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini <
>> jipangmenje...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 8:13 PM, red1  wrote:
>>>
 How about this topic?:

 "How Open Source Opens For You A Better World". It will be delivered in
 university english only.

>>>
>>> pastinya akan menjadi sesuatu yang sangat menarik [?]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> >
>

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[osdcmy-public] Re: We are not in the top 30 unis of Asia!

[red1]

Finally found our top Malaysian university - UM at 230th ranking 
http://www.topuniversities.com/university_rankings/results/2008/overall_rankings/fullrankings/

UTM is 356th.


red1 wrote:
> http://www.topuniversities.com/worlduniversityrankings/asianuniversityrankings/asian_university_rankings_top_200_universities/
>
> What more in the top 100 of the world 
> http://www.topuniversities.com/university_rankings/results/2008/overall_rankings/top_100_universities/
>
> Odds should challenge you. Do it not because it is easy, but because it 
> is hard <-- stole from John F. Kennedy's speech.
 

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[osdcmy-public] Re: Linux Varsiti - panggilan untuk sukarelawan

[Mohd Hidzuan]

ai = hari .. short hand.. edisi sendiri...

so tuan .. tajuk tu ok kah... nak buat muka hadapan ni.. kui..kui..kui..
satu hari satu slide sehingga 5/10/09
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Sent from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia


On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Mohd Hidzuan  wrote:

> so tuan .. tajuk tu ok kah... nak buat muka hadapan ni.. kui..kui..kui..
> satu ai satu slide... muahahahaha
> ...
> To follow the path, look to the master,
> follow the master, walk with the master,
> see through the master, become the master.
>
> Selasih Net Enterprise
> "we never sleep, we just park our head"
>
>
> Sent from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini <
> jipangmenje...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> majoriti student..
>> lecturer pasti ada..
>>
>> slide kasi simpan dulu, nanti serah hari sebelum event.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Mohd Hidzuan  wrote:
>>
>>> Salam Syawal ke -6,
>>>
>>> topik seperti dipersetujui... ada ok kah?
>>>
>>> "pengenalan kepada perisian sumber terbuka"
>>>
>>> 1 jam kan... so nak mula dengan basic kan.. boleh tau siapa yang ada
>>> dalam dewan tu.. fakulti IT kah.. lecturer kah.. any VIP ker VVIP..
>>>
>>> ok tuan.. slide mau sekarang kah?
>>>
>>> Salam Syawal sekali lagi.
>>>
>>> ...
>>> To follow the path, look to the master,
>>> follow the master, walk with the master,
>>> see through the master, become the master.
>>>
>>> Selasih Net Enterprise
>>> "we never sleep, we just park our head"
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
>>> Pablo 
>>> Picasso - 
>>> "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 8:17 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini <
>>> jipangmenje...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 8:13 PM, red1  wrote:

> How about this topic?:
>
> "How Open Source Opens For You A Better World". It will be delivered in
> university english only.
>

 pastinya akan menjadi sesuatu yang sangat menarik [?]




>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> >>
>>
>

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[osdcmy-public] Re: We are not in the top 30 unis of Asia!

[Mohd Hidzuan]

Sedih sungguh UiTM x de dalam senarai.. :-(
...
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On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 9:03 PM, red1  wrote:

>
> Finally found our top Malaysian university - UM at 230th ranking
>
> http://www.topuniversities.com/university_rankings/results/2008/overall_rankings/fullrankings/
>
> UTM is 356th.
>
>
> red1 wrote:
> >
> http://www.topuniversities.com/worlduniversityrankings/asianuniversityrankings/asian_university_rankings_top_200_universities/
> >
> > What more in the top 100 of the world
> >
> http://www.topuniversities.com/university_rankings/results/2008/overall_rankings/top_100_universities/
> >
> > Odds should challenge you. Do it not because it is easy, but because it
> > is hard <-- stole from John F. Kennedy's speech.
>
>
> >
>

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[osdcmy-public] Re: We are not in the top 30 unis of Asia!

[red1]

Mohd Hidzuan wrote:
> Sedih sungguh UiTM x de dalam senarai.. :-(
> ...
UKM - 250th
USM - 313th
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UiTM elek.. cari sampai list 501+ tak jumpa gak.

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[osdcmy-public] Re: We are not in the top 30 unis of Asia!

[red1]

When UM a few years back about top 100 i did propose to do ADempiere
there (before ADempiere was born) but they always busy, busy, busy..
with the kain rentang menunjukkan UM top 100 dalam dunia. Sekarang
jemput saya pun saya rasa menjatuhkan nama ADempiere pasal ADempiere
dah no.1

Di UTM pun saya sudah naik turun sejak 7 tahun yang silam. Dah kenal
dari Dr Noraini (Dekan Entrepreneur di Semarak), Dr Zuhaimi, Dekan
Matematik Skudai, Dato Zaini Ujang, TNC. .. MTDC, Skit, dan lain lain
lagi. 

Saya rasa Malaysia kita ini lumayan, ada ketua projek utama dunia naik
turun berjumpa mereka pun tak perasan.

red1 wrote:

  Mohd Hidzuan wrote:
  
  
Sedih sungguh UiTM x de dalam senarai.. :-(
...

  
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[osdcmy-public] Re: We are not in the top 30 unis of Asia!

[sweemeng ng]

FYI a ex-UM student here.So I understands

UM just don't cut out to have the culture, and that time, they actually
gaming the system
They don't deserve it..

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:44 PM, red1  wrote:

>  When UM a few years back about top 100 i did propose to do ADempiere there
> (before ADempiere was born) but they always busy, busy, busy.. with the kain
> rentang menunjukkan UM top 100 dalam dunia. Sekarang jemput saya pun saya
> rasa menjatuhkan nama ADempiere pasal ADempiere dah no.1
>
> Di UTM pun saya sudah naik turun sejak 7 tahun yang silam. Dah kenal dari
> Dr Noraini (Dekan Entrepreneur di Semarak), Dr Zuhaimi, Dekan Matematik
> Skudai, Dato Zaini Ujang, TNC. .. MTDC, Skit, dan lain lain lagi.
>
> Saya rasa Malaysia kita ini lumayan, ada ketua projek utama dunia naik
> turun berjumpa mereka pun tak perasan.
>
>
> red1 wrote:
>
> Mohd Hidzuan wrote:
>
>
>  Sedih sungguh UiTM x de dalam senarai.. :-(
> ...
>
>
>  UKM - 250th
> USM - 313th
> UPM - 320th
>
> UiTM elek.. cari sampai list 501+ tak jumpa gak.
>
>
>
> >
>

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[osdcmy-public] Re: Linux Varsiti - panggilan untuk sukarelawan

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>
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[osdcmy-public] Re: Lets flirt or...

[Mohd Nizam]

are the girls 'open' source as well .. hehe ..

seriously, get this arse out of the mailing list ..

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini <
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> lol
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel <
> linuxmalay...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Sudah buang... Sebelum ni dia spam group OSS lain...
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:30 PM, darXness darXness 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > SPAM
>> >
>> >
>>
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>
> >
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[osdcmy-public] Re: We are not in the top 30 unis of Asia!

[red1]

sweemeng ng wrote:
> FYI a ex-UM student here.So I understands
 
i think one of the malady is that the grads no longer have to do degree 
theses. They can choose to do project work. Is this still true?

Thesis writing to me is hard, and that is why we must do it. To 
formulate an own theory and see it through intellectually is the 
greatest gift the mind can indulge in.

As for me, i graduate from the University of Life and listen to 
Professor Hard Knocks. And i am seeing my thesis through - that there 
must be a university for ERP and that it will one day overrun the USD60 
billion market of SAP. I have spoken to many many people and lots 
agreed. But the decision-makers just couldn't figure it out. Like you 
say it is just not in the mental climate. *sigh*

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[osdcmy-public] Re: Linux Varsiti - panggilan untuk sukarelawan

[Mohd Hidzuan]

idea menarik bro ...

takut disana ada dewa jugak.. mau jadi P.Ramlee balik KL semula..
kui..kui..kui
sebab x mampu nak bagi apa dah... semua depa boleh jawab... hehehe

...
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follow the master, walk with the master,
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Sent from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia


2009/9/25 red1 

>
> Mohd Hidzuan wrote:
> > ai = hari .. short hand.. edisi sendiri...
> >
> > so tuan .. tajuk tu ok kah... nak buat muka hadapan ni..
> > kui..kui..kui.. satu hari satu slide sehingga 5/10/09
> > ...
>  taktik bagus dalam ceramah ialah untuk offer hadiah lumayan. Berikan
> soalan kuiz. Siapa dapat jawab berikan RM50. Biasanya soalan kita orang
> tak dapat jawab. Kita tambah RM100. Tambah lagi sehingga berapa ribu
> pun. Jangan risau, tak dapat jawab pun :)
>
> >
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[osdcmy-public] Re: We are not in the top 30 unis of Asia!

[Mohd Hidzuan]

bro red1..

lupakan Uni lain.. masih ada AeU.. sekurang-kurangnya.. utk buat masa ini..
janganlah takut seketika sahaja... hehehe

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On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 11:47 PM, red1  wrote:

>
> sweemeng ng wrote:
> > FYI a ex-UM student here.So I understands
>
> i think one of the malady is that the grads no longer have to do degree
> theses. They can choose to do project work. Is this still true?
>
> Thesis writing to me is hard, and that is why we must do it. To
> formulate an own theory and see it through intellectually is the
> greatest gift the mind can indulge in.
>
> As for me, i graduate from the University of Life and listen to
> Professor Hard Knocks. And i am seeing my thesis through - that there
> must be a university for ERP and that it will one day overrun the USD60
> billion market of SAP. I have spoken to many many people and lots
> agreed. But the decision-makers just couldn't figure it out. Like you
> say it is just not in the mental climate. *sigh*
>
> >
>

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[osdcmy-public] Re: We are not in the top 30 unis of Asia!

[red1]

Mohd Hidzuan wrote:
> bro red1..
>
> lupakan Uni lain.. masih ada AeU.. sekurang-kurangnya.. utk buat masa 
> ini.. janganlah takut seketika sahaja... hehehe

AeU, entah keberapa rankingnya kerana baru je terbit.. tapi ada lagi 
berita baik. Lagi sebuah IPTS ingin turut melakukan research centre 
untuk ADempiere. Acheh pula mungkin buka peluang universiti pertamanya 
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[osdcmy-public] Re: We are not in the top 30 unis of Asia!

[sweemeng ng]

The real issue is, what research, there is no research

There is more to CS than Enterprise Software. Though it is equally worth
studying
And there is many interesting stuff in computer science. program validation,
concurrency, AI, kernel level design, etc. Even application of existing
theory is fascinating. Nope, none is happening.

I am hoping to learn to understand how OS works, or how to write a compiler
when go to university. Instead I just got to learn something that I already
learned before I got into uni.

University that I know of, just turn into a vocational school, and it don't
even do a proper job at that.

SAD, real sad

2009/9/26 red1 

>
> Mohd Hidzuan wrote:
> > bro red1..
> >
> > lupakan Uni lain.. masih ada AeU.. sekurang-kurangnya.. utk buat masa
> > ini.. janganlah takut seketika sahaja... hehehe
>
> AeU, entah keberapa rankingnya kerana baru je terbit.. tapi ada lagi
> berita baik. Lagi sebuah IPTS ingin turut melakukan research centre
> untuk ADempiere. Acheh pula mungkin buka peluang universiti pertamanya
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> sekiranya jadi.
>
> >
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[osdcmy-public] Re: We are not in the top 30 unis of Asia!

[sweemeng ng]

DId I tell you that when they say real world. Many lecturer never in one..
It is in university when I heard comments that this is not used, or that is
not used.

Place of learning my foot. It is not even on the priority list. Exam is,
learning is not. In fact learning useful thing not in exam, is way below in
priority. School politics got much bigger attention

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 1:52 AM, sweemeng ng  wrote:

> The real issue is, what research, there is no research
>
> There is more to CS than Enterprise Software. Though it is equally worth
> studying
> And there is many interesting stuff in computer science. program
> validation, concurrency, AI, kernel level design, etc. Even application of
> existing theory is fascinating. Nope, none is happening.
>
> I am hoping to learn to understand how OS works, or how to write a compiler
> when go to university. Instead I just got to learn something that I already
> learned before I got into uni.
>
> University that I know of, just turn into a vocational school, and it don't
> even do a proper job at that.
>
> SAD, real sad
>
> 2009/9/26 red1 
>
>
>> Mohd Hidzuan wrote:
>> > bro red1..
>> >
>> > lupakan Uni lain.. masih ada AeU.. sekurang-kurangnya.. utk buat masa
>> > ini.. janganlah takut seketika sahaja... hehehe
>>
>> AeU, entah keberapa rankingnya kerana baru je terbit.. tapi ada lagi
>> berita baik. Lagi sebuah IPTS ingin turut melakukan research centre
>> untuk ADempiere. Acheh pula mungkin buka peluang universiti pertamanya
>> berdasarkan FOSS. Semua masih dalam berbincangan. Akan dihebohkan
>> sekiranya jadi.
>>
>> >>
>>
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[osdcmy-public] Re: We are not in the top 30 unis of Asia!

[Mohammed Firdaus]

Swee Meng,
Can't be as bad as a learning institution at TPM...

Thanks,

Mohammed Firdaus

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 1:55 AM, sweemeng ng  wrote:

> DId I tell you that when they say real world. Many lecturer never in one..
> It is in university when I heard comments that this is not used, or that is
> not used.
>
> Place of learning my foot. It is not even on the priority list. Exam is,
> learning is not. In fact learning useful thing not in exam, is way below in
> priority. School politics got much bigger attention
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 1:52 AM, sweemeng ng  wrote:
>
>> The real issue is, what research, there is no research
>>
>> There is more to CS than Enterprise Software. Though it is equally worth
>> studying
>> And there is many interesting stuff in computer science. program
>> validation, concurrency, AI, kernel level design, etc. Even application of
>> existing theory is fascinating. Nope, none is happening.
>>
>> I am hoping to learn to understand how OS works, or how to write a
>> compiler when go to university. Instead I just got to learn something that I
>> already learned before I got into uni.
>>
>> University that I know of, just turn into a vocational school, and it
>> don't even do a proper job at that.
>>
>> SAD, real sad
>>
>> 2009/9/26 red1 
>>
>>
>>> Mohd Hidzuan wrote:
>>> > bro red1..
>>> >
>>> > lupakan Uni lain.. masih ada AeU.. sekurang-kurangnya.. utk buat masa
>>> > ini.. janganlah takut seketika sahaja... hehehe
>>>
>>> AeU, entah keberapa rankingnya kerana baru je terbit.. tapi ada lagi
>>> berita baik. Lagi sebuah IPTS ingin turut melakukan research centre
>>> untuk ADempiere. Acheh pula mungkin buka peluang universiti pertamanya
>>> berdasarkan FOSS. Semua masih dalam berbincangan. Akan dihebohkan
>>> sekiranya jadi.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> >
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[osdcmy-public] Re: Linux Varsiti - panggilan untuk sukarelawan

[Mohd Rizal Mohd Shahari]

Bila diaorang jawap, kau cakap jawapan x cukup lengkap... so bg saguhati jek
:)

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On Sep 26, 2009 1:01 AM, "Mohd Hidzuan"  wrote:

idea menarik bro ...

takut disana ada dewa jugak.. mau jadi P.Ramlee balik KL semula..
kui..kui..kui
sebab x mampu nak bagi apa dah... semua depa boleh jawab... hehehe

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[osdcmy-public] Re: We are not in the top 30 unis of Asia!

[red1]

Thanks SweeMeng for such insights, cos i never go to university. I can
hardly stand the school system. They do not have subjects i wanted -
astronomy, occult science, psychology, sexology, historical flames,
ancient philosophy to name a few. I mean who can study the boring
sejarah penjajah dan nasionalisma?

I choose to dropout and see the real world myself. It was tough. I was
a wanderer for many years. Learnt to sell air tebu tepi jalan - minum
sendiri jika hujan, pasar malam, penceramah pelbagai jurusan, got
cheated by common cons.

About R&D, you hit on many nails. Indeed those that call themselves
R&D are mere C&P (copy & paste). Like the saying goes,
"Good Artists Copy. Great Artists Steal".
Indeed CS starts with the machine and advanced thru the OS and
compiler. I bought  a book on the JVM like compiler and studied that a
bit and must say it is simpler ta machine level. I was a good C&P
Cobol programmer in early 80s. But the challenge today is to rule an
empire, a global one and whack not one machine version or two, but some
real legends.

SAP anyone?

red1

sweemeng ng wrote:

  DId I tell you that when they say real world. Many
lecturer never in one..
It is in university when I heard comments that this is not used, or
that is not used. 
  
Place of learning my foot. It is not even on the priority list. Exam
is, learning is not. In fact learning useful thing not in exam, is way
below in priority. School politics got much bigger attention
  
  On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 1:52 AM, sweemeng ng
  
wrote:
  
The real issue is, what research, there is no
research

There is more to CS than Enterprise Software. Though it is equally
worth studying
And there is many interesting stuff in computer science. program
validation, concurrency, AI, kernel level design, etc. Even application
of existing theory is fascinating. Nope, none is happening. 

I am hoping to learn to understand how OS works, or how to write a
compiler when go to university. Instead I just got to learn something
that I already learned before I got into uni. 

University that I know of, just turn into a vocational school, and it
don't even do a proper job at that. 

SAD, real sad
  
  
  

 

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[osdcmy-public] Re: We are not in the top 30 unis of Asia!

[Boh Yap]

hi all,

all this debate on the quality of our esteemed universities has been
simmering for so long I just can't refuse not to join in... ;-)

Warning: sarcasm, satire, wit, true facts and logic are all mixed in
here... let's have some healthy debate!

(I am also reposting this to the python.my list, its too good to be
left to waste...

UM used to be good, that was in the days when Msia only had a handful
on Unis, USM, SPM, UKM... Now we have ...how many? 20, 30?...

Yes, edu especally Uni has gone down the tubes in Msia, in that
respect we're becoming a 'banana republic'... when I was Philipines
quite a few years ago, they have a 'University' in a block of shop
house, I thought that was pretty uncool, but then now we have that in
Malaysia. That's progress!

Why that's uncool, well for one thing, you cannot provide a conducive
knowledge-based  environment. How inspiring can it be staring at
another drab building, and hanging out at the local mamak to discuss a
momentous world class technopreneureal idea I think not. Hey you
can't even find a basement to start off your project in...  (like
Google, Yahoo, Youtube...)

Besides shophouse don't make good locations for data-centres,
supercomputing centre (lousy powersupply and cooling), you can't have
a genetics lab (bio hazard!) or a nuclear research lab (nope I don't
think you can fit your heavy-particle collider in here..)... so forget
about 'high' tech. So such a facillities can only be a 'low' tech
'degree mils', churn out as many blur (as sotong) grads as you can.

The other problem of course is you have blur educators (by this I
don't only lay the blame only on lecturers and academic staff but also
those in charge of education policy... they are the ones who determine
the agenda!) Also as someone pointed out, our professors don't publish
papers, well we can't really blame them. The shophouse scenario is not
very inspirational, and they can't have a fancy lab in those tiny
buildings anyway. Also I guess there are also no equivalent peer
reviewed publications like Science  and Nature (where world famous
professors  and Nobel Laurettes publish their papers) in Bahasa
Malaysia...

Talking about 'frightening' scenarios, when visiting a friend who is a
 Assc. Professor in a local Uni, I was handed a syllabus and asked to
guess what year was it for. A quick glance through it and I said
perhaps pre-U or 1st year. Nope, wrong he said, its 3rd Year! Thats
how low standards are! So I asked surely you are unhappy about this
level, can't you teach at a higher level, no, was his reply, the
Lembaga Accredition Negara sets the policy and everyone has to
follow... and that's the standard!

Duh... what does a bunch of bureaucrats know about Comp Sc. Not a lot
it seems!  (this happened abt 3 yrs ago). Now it seems its a bit
better, but they are letting Microsoft determine the syllabus,
groan...

Red1 hit the nail on the spot, a Uni is to 'Cari Ilmu' not 'Cari
makan' (for both students and lecturers!) but we have since lost the
ideal. Also, our edu system are like mushroom farms - "keep the
students/mushrooms in the dark and feed them a lot of sh*t". So all
this spoon-feeding produces a bunch of workers who are totlly without
initiative and waiting to be told what to do.

Let me back that up with another anecdote, a friend who was embarking
on a project involving embedded processors, spoke to a Uni professor
to get 1 or 2 of his better students to work on the project to qualify
for their industrial training. This friend is a very experianced
design engineer that has worked for >15 years in multinational
semiconductor companies, certainly used to leading project teams. The
usual briefing tookplace, outlining of targets/goals, providing
documentation and h/w (PCBoard for microprocesor development...) and
after 2 week on non-productivity, the student wss asked whay hasn't
he/she produced anything? The answer was - "...you didn't show me how
to do it!" Then at the end of the industrial training, the guy had the
cheek to ask, why he was'nt given a glowing report?!

So aren't our edu system producing mushrooms? Mushrooms who think they
are very important and that the world owes them a living?

And if this a better student, then what are the 'not so good ones' like?

And exams,... well passing an exam only shows that that particular
person is good at passing exams, not neccesarily his actual skills.
Especially when its not evaluated with other types of work... And now
we have projects... ah another anectdote, this is from a Uni near to
cyberjaya (students, take note if you want good project papers...)
some of the students are pooling money together to hire Indian
programmers working in Cyberjaya to write their projects for them!
Lecturers found out when otherwise mediocre students were turning out
'professional quality' code in their projects!

Yes Malaysians are good at 'gaming' the system.


 And now a pop quiz question, to all the OSS readers out there...

" If you are inte