Re: [OSList] Okay...Forget Certification then...How about Co-Creating a NEW OST ASSOCIATION? Such as...THE International Association for Peace and Human Understanding...?

[Chris Corrigan via OSList]

Right here. Here are the links for the Tao of Holding Space and if you’d like a 
beautiful designed copy email me for details. 


http://www.chriscorrigan.com/parkinglot/the-tao-of-holding-space/

Chris
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CHRIS CORRIGAN
www.chriscorrigan.com

> On Aug 21, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Harrison Owen via OSList 
>  wrote:
> 
> Paul – Wonderful to hear from you! And… several years ago I was in Beijing 
> with peers, colleagues and friends who collectively had doubtless done many 
> more OSTs than I – all in a most challenging environment. They asked me to 
> say something and I replied that actually I thought it had all been said some 
> 3000 years ago by a marvelous person, Lao Tzu. And I think you would be 
> interested in a wonderful book done by an old friend, Chris Corrigan called 
> the “Tao of Holding Space.” Chris shows up here (OSLIST) more than 
> occasionally – Chris where are you? I think he put it up (PDF) online??? You 
> will enjoy.
>  
> Harrison
>  
> From: Paul Nunesdea [mailto:p.nunes...@architectingcollaboration.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 2:11 PM
> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
> Cc: Harrison Owen
> Subject: Re: [OSList] Okay...Forget Certification then...How about 
> Co-Creating a NEW OST ASSOCIATION? Such as...THE International Association 
> for Peace and Human Understanding...?
>  
> Greetings HO, I have been away from this list except when something 
> extraordinarily contentious happens here, and I got attracted by the 
> certification subject. 
>  
> Yes, just to say I am among those that used OST by reading your book + an 
> extremely helpful and long coaching call from Lisa Heft - the Open Space 
> Community's Mary Magdalene. 
>  
> Since then the power of self-organization never ceased to amaze me, and to be 
> honest my most precious ally when big challenges are faced. 
>  
> I have written books about group facilitation in my mother languages, I argue 
> OST is the ultimate group facilitation methodology, inspired by seminal work 
> of very dear IAF colleagues (and your disciples?) here in Europe, Gerardo de 
> Luzemberg and Jean-Philippe Poupard. 
>  
> And your answer below, reinforces my faith on this absolute mystery of 
> self-organization that have been helping me so much. 
>  
> Tanks for the unsuspected Dee Hock's book recommendation, I will read it 
> next. 
>  
> I apologize Listers if this other unsuspected reference below has already 
> been discussed here before, but I recently re-discovered Lao Tzu book Tao Te 
> Ching (the book of the way) and cannot think about the resemblances with your 
> discoveries HO. 
>  
> If you like listening instead of reading, this is an amazing free resource on 
> Youtube: 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2UYch2JnO4 
>  
> I suspect Lao Tzu's interpretation of what the master will do about OST's 
> certification is just about what you have written below, beloved father. 
>  
> Best wishes
> Paul Nunesdea | Paulo Nunes de Abreu 
> https://www.architectingcollaboration.com/
> 
>  
>  
> 
> 
>  
> On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 23:15, Harrison Owen via OSList 
>  wrote:
> Barry -- your notion about "scale" -- numbers of people -- is pretty close to 
> the accepted wisdom. Summed up in the old refrain, Some day we got to get 
> organized! Especially when we get bigger. Certainly makes sense, keeps a lot 
> of MBA programs in business, but simply doesn't accord with my experience. 
> First in terms of my usual standard reference... Open Spaces. The curious, 
> but I think instructive thing, is that every Open Space that I have 
> facilitated or been a part of -- regardless of size (5- 2108) has been 
> unnervingly the same. 10-15 minutes for opening, 20 min for issue 
> announcement, 30 minutes for market place arrangements (combinations, 
> reschedules, cup of coffee) 1 hour to start of first session -- and from 
> there on it all happened by itself. This has even been true in several 
> situation where a very hard working planning committee worked out every 
> detail in accord with the best meeting management protocols. Looked great on 
> paper, immediately fell apart, and just as quickly self organized, despite 
> their best efforts. Weird!
>  
> Then there is the observed behavior and accomplishments of what we might 
> vaguely call, "The Open Space Community." If you put aside all question of 
> how we got there, the accomplishments I believe are rather impressive. Indeed 
> there are very few HR consulting groups that could come anywhere close. Just 
> take the numbers: 35 years in business, minimum 500,000 "interventions," 
> millions of participants, thousands of facilitators, massive coverage by the 
> international press, and a multitude of imitators -- which is always a 
> complement in a weird way. Not bad if I do say so myself. AND it might be 
> pointed out that all of this took place without a shred of formal 
> organization, no institutional funding, no defined leadership structure, zero 
> 

Re: [OSList] Okay...Forget Certification then...How about Co-Creating a NEW OST ASSOCIATION? Such as...THE International Association for Peace and Human Understanding...?

[Harrison Owen via OSList]

Paul – Wonderful to hear from you! And… several years ago I was in Beijing with 
peers, colleagues and friends who collectively had doubtless done many more 
OSTs than I – all in a most challenging environment. They asked me to say 
something and I replied that actually I thought it had all been said some 3000 
years ago by a marvelous person, Lao Tzu. And I think you would be interested 
in a wonderful book done by an old friend, Chris Corrigan called the “Tao of 
Holding Space.” Chris shows up here (OSLIST) more than occasionally – Chris 
where are you? I think he put it up (PDF) online??? You will enjoy.

 

Harrison 

 

From: Paul Nunesdea [mailto:p.nunes...@architectingcollaboration.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 2:11 PM
To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
Cc: Harrison Owen
Subject: Re: [OSList] Okay...Forget Certification then...How about Co-Creating 
a NEW OST ASSOCIATION? Such as...THE International Association for Peace and 
Human Understanding...?

 

Greetings HO, I have been away from this list except when something 
extraordinarily contentious happens here, and I got attracted by the 
certification subject. 

 

Yes, just to say I am among those that used OST by reading your book + an 
extremely helpful and long coaching call from Lisa Heft - the Open Space 
Community's Mary Magdalene. 

 

Since then the power of self-organization never ceased to amaze me, and to be 
honest my most precious ally when big challenges are faced. 

 

I have written books about group facilitation in my mother languages, I argue 
OST is the ultimate group facilitation methodology, inspired by seminal work of 
very dear IAF colleagues (and your disciples?) here in Europe, Gerardo de 
Luzemberg and Jean-Philippe Poupard. 

 

And your answer below, reinforces my faith on this absolute mystery of 
self-organization that have been helping me so much. 

 

Tanks for the unsuspected Dee Hock's book recommendation, I will read it next. 

 

I apologize Listers if this other unsuspected reference below has already been 
discussed here before, but I recently re-discovered Lao Tzu book Tao Te Ching 
(the book of the way) and cannot think about the resemblances with your 
discoveries HO. 

 

If you like listening instead of reading, this is an amazing free resource on 
Youtube: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2UYch2JnO4 

 

I suspect Lao Tzu's interpretation of what the master will do about OST's 
certification is just about what you have written below, beloved father. 

 

Best wishes


Paul Nunesdea | Paulo Nunes de Abreu 

  
https://www.architectingcollaboration.com/

   

 

 


  

 

 

On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 23:15, Harrison Owen via OSList 
 wrote:

Barry -- your notion about "scale" -- numbers of people -- is pretty close to 
the accepted wisdom. Summed up in the old refrain, Some day we got to get 
organized! Especially when we get bigger. Certainly makes sense, keeps a lot of 
MBA programs in business, but simply doesn't accord with my experience. First 
in terms of my usual standard reference... Open Spaces. The curious, but I 
think instructive thing, is that every Open Space that I have facilitated or 
been a part of -- regardless of size (5- 2108) has been unnervingly the same. 
10-15 minutes for opening, 20 min for issue announcement, 30 minutes for market 
place arrangements (combinations, reschedules, cup of coffee) 1 hour to start 
of first session -- and from there on it all happened by itself. This has even 
been true in several situation where a very hard working planning committee 
worked out every detail in accord with the best meeting management protocols. 
Looked great on paper, immediately fell apart, and just as quickly self 
organized, despite their best efforts. Weird! 

 

Then there is the observed behavior and accomplishments of what we might 
vaguely call, "The Open Space Community." If you put aside all question of how 
we got there, the accomplishments I believe are rather impressive. Indeed there 
are very few HR consulting groups that could come anywhere close. Just take the 
numbers: 35 years in business, minimum 500,000 "interventions," millions of 
participants, thousands of facilitators, massive coverage by the international 
press, and a multitude of imitators -- which is always a complement in a weird 
way. Not bad if I do say so myself. AND it might be pointed out that all of 
this took place without a shred of formal organization, no institutional 
funding, no defined leadership structure, zero effort at standardization or 
certification. Why would anybody want to change that ... even if you could?

 

And then in the REAL WORLD... That would be Corporations, Governments, NGOs -- 
I can give you any number of examples where such organizations spent millions 
of $$$ to get organized, 

Re: [OSList] Okay...Forget Certification then...How about Co-Creating a NEW OST ASSOCIATION? Such as...THE International Association for Peace and Human Understanding...?

[Paul Nunesdea via OSList]

Greetings HO, I have been away from this list except when something 
extraordinarily contentious happens here, and I got attracted by the 
certification subject. 

Yes, just to say I am among those that used OST by reading your book + an 
extremely helpful and long coaching call from Lisa Heft - the Open Space 
Community's Mary Magdalene. 

Since then the power of self-organization never ceased to amaze me, and to be 
honest my most precious ally when big challenges are faced. 

I have written books about group facilitation in my mother languages, I argue 
OST is the ultimate group facilitation methodology, inspired by seminal work of 
very dear IAF colleagues (and your disciples?) here in Europe, Gerardo de 
Luzemberg and Jean-Philippe Poupard. 

And your answer below, reinforces my faith on this absolute mystery of 
self-organization that have been helping me so much. 

Tanks for the unsuspected Dee Hock's book recommendation, I will read it next. 

I apologize Listers if this other unsuspected reference below has already been 
discussed here before, but I recently re-discovered Lao Tzu book Tao Te Ching 
(the book of the way) and cannot think about the resemblances with your 
discoveries HO. 

If you like listening instead of reading, this is an amazing free resource on 
Youtube: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2UYch2JnO4 

I suspect Lao Tzu's interpretation of what the master will do about OST's 
certification is just about what you have written below, beloved father. 
 
Best wishes 
 
Paul Nunesdea | Paulo Nunes de Abreu 
https://www.architectingcollaboration.com/


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> On 20 Aug 2019, at 22:15, Harrison Owen via OSList 
>  wrote:
> 
> Barry -- your notion about "scale" -- numbers of people -- is pretty close to 
> the accepted wisdom. Summed up in the old refrain, Some day we got to get 
> organized! Especially when we get bigger. Certainly makes sense, keeps a lot 
> of MBA programs in business, but simply doesn't accord with my experience. 
> First in terms of my usual standard reference... Open Spaces. The curious, 
> but I think instructive thing, is that every Open Space that I have 
> facilitated or been a part of -- regardless of size (5- 2108) has been 
> unnervingly the same. 10-15 minutes for opening, 20 min for issue 
> announcement, 30 minutes for market place arrangements (combinations, 
> reschedules, cup of coffee) 1 hour to start of first session -- and from 
> there on it all happened by itself. This has even been true in several 
> situation where a very hard working planning committee worked out every 
> detail in accord with the best meeting management protocols. Looked great on 
> paper, immediately fell apart, and just as quickly self organized, despite 
> their best efforts. Weird!
> 
> Then there is the observed behavior and accomplishments of what we might 
> vaguely call, "The Open Space Community." If you put aside all question of 
> how we got there, the accomplishments I believe are rather impressive. Indeed 
> there are very few HR consulting groups that could come anywhere close. Just 
> take the numbers: 35 years in business, minimum 500,000 "interventions," 
> millions of participants, thousands of facilitators, massive coverage by the 
> international press, and a multitude of imitators -- which is always a 
> complement in a weird way. Not bad if I do say so myself. AND it might be 
> pointed out that all of this took place without a shred of formal 
> organization, no institutional funding, no defined leadership structure, zero 
> effort at standardization or certification. Why would anybody want to change 
> that ... even if you could?
> 
> And then in the REAL WORLD... That would be Corporations, Governments, NGOs 
> -- I can give you any number of examples where such organizations spent 
> millions of $$$ to get organized, failed, -- and then opened some space to 
> accomplish in several days where they had failed miserably for years. I "did" 
> a few of those personally, but in most cases (if I was directly involved) I 
> advised that they save a lot of money, buy the book, and do it. And of course 
> there were any number of situations where sensitive participants of one OST 
> simply went out and "did" it again without benefit of book, training, 
> certification. Marvelous!
> 
> And if you want "testimony" from a different, and presumably unbiased source, 
> check out Dee Hock, "Chaordic Organizations."
> 
> Harrison (and -- of course -- also your father.)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Barry Owen via OSList 
> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list 
> 
> Cc: Barry Owen ; Michael M Pannwitz 
> 
> Sent: Tue, Aug 20, 2019 11:10 am
> Subject: Re: [OSList] Okay...Forget Certification then...How about 
> Co-Creating a NEW OST ASSOCIATION? Such as...THE International Association 
> for Peace and Human Understanding...?
> 
> I've been mulling this over for months now. 
> Have come to what I think is a conclusion