Re: [OSList] Response from Harrison Owen

[Elwin and Joan via OSList]

 To Harrison's point:
Shortly after the close of the Bosnian War, I facilitated an Open Space for the 
USAID sponsored Democracy Network project.
Assembled were "leaders" of the three warring factions, Croates, Bosniacs and 
Serbs.
At the close the participants held a totally self-organized party, complete 
with live music and more than enough food and drink. There was plenty of 
dancing and singing.
If you didn't know better, you would have said someone had just gotten married.
There's hope. Go to work!
Elwin GuildFuture Development InternationalPortland, CT 
On Friday, February 25, 2022, 08:03:37 AM EST, Harold Shinsato via OSList 
 wrote:  
 
  [This is from Harrison Owen because he is having trouble posting and 
asked me to send this on his behalf. - Harold]
 
  Michael Panwitz's response was superb and brought back many memories. Michael 
and I teamed to produce some open space for 250 Rabbis and Imams -- as he said. 
But they weren't just "any" Imams and Rabbis. They were the lead guys in such 
places as Jerusalem, Paris, New York, Istanbul -- and all around the world. How 
we got into all this, I truly don't know, but there it was in Barcelona, Spain. 
The theme: "Peace."   Talk about Conflict and High Dama. 
  The sponsors had decided that since the attendees were a rather formal sort, 
we should not jump right into Open Space, but rather ease in. So the meeting 
began with the usual dais, speakers, and everybody sitting rows. Personally, I 
can't stand meetings like that, so I did not attend, but somewhere around noon, 
I was walking through the massive atrium of the hotel  when I heard the 
conference organizer (the guy who does all the work) yelling "Harrison, 
Harrison..". He caught up to me,  and asked -- "How quickly can you do Open 
Space? It is Chaos in there (the main auditorium)." "The Imam from Paris is 
standing on the dais screaming at the Chief Rabbi from Jerusalem..." 
  I replied -- that depended totally on the hotel staff and how quickly they 
could make a circle out of rows of chairs. To give them plenty of time, I 
suggested a three hour lunch break. That might sound extreme, but not unheard 
of in Barcelona and other parts of the world. It would also provide a good 
cooling off period. 
  At 3:00 pm the 250 Rabbis and Imams walked into a transformed environment -- 
one big circle. There was a quiet buzz,  radically different from the cacophony 
of the morning. What a difference a circle can make. I stood at the edge to 
welcome the people and said simply that we are here to find our way in peace. 
Then walking slowly around the circle I invited each person to notice all the 
others, locating those they knew, would like to know -- and all the strangers. 
When I reached the point of my beginning I stopped to enjoy the silence which 
was deep and pregnant. You could hear a pin drop. 
  You know what happened next. I moved to the center of the circle to quickly 
explain about posting issues, The Five Principles, One Law, Bumble Bees and 
Butterflies  --  with a final admonition to Be prepared to be surprised...  And 
then an invitation to any one who cared to post their issue. Total silence.  
  One by one, and soon small groups... participants moved to the center to take 
a piece of paper and write their issue. I stood quietly, and as each person 
became ready I gave them the microphone along with the suggestion that they 
keep their remarks as brief as possible. But clearly the group had different 
ideas -- and they made the space their own. Each announcement became a 5-10 
minute "sermonet" offered with feeling but real respect. For more than two 
hours we proceeded in that fashion and the group as a whole listened to every 
word. Perhaps some people left, but I didn't notice. But what I did notice was 
that I was personally exhausted. It is amazing what happens when you are in the 
vortex of all that swirling energy even if you are apparently doing nothing. I 
just had to go. When I had the opportunity, I handed the microphone to Michael, 
said thank you, and walked out.  
  I had no question that everything would work out perfectly. And as Michael 
has described, the people quickly  came to a conclusion and adjourned for the 
evening. The next morning we met briefly in the circle, but since all the 
issues were posted there was really nothing to do but -- Go to work. Which we 
did. The issue groups met in the huge atrium of the hotel. Everyone contributed 
to the common buzz in the multiple languages of the participants. Great 
intensity, but also quiet respect. It seemed like the most natural thing in the 
world. 
  On this first night of the invasion of Ukraine, the peace, respect and 
passion of Barcelona might seem a distant dream. But it is also a hopeful one. 
It can happen again. However, we have a lot of space to open -- not just in the 
Ukraine. There are 8 billion of us affected by what is taking place and there 
are not nearly enough atrium hotels to 

Re: [OSList] Asking for your wisdom - Leora Tushinski

[Elwin and Joan via OSList]

 Leora,
My 30 years in Open Space tells me your ONLY MANAGEMENT role is creating the 
INVITATION. Full Stop!  All else is as Harrison has stated.
eg
On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, 09:43:25 AM EST, Harrison Owen SR via OSList 
 wrote:  
 
 Leora -- My very best to Tova! Holding the tension is a loosing game.. Just 
open some space and if the people really care, they will get amazing things 
accomplished with no intervention or supervision. Ask Tova about our time 
together in Rome with 50 Palestinians and Israelis who were mostly security 
types. At the start I remember standing behind two gentlemen I didn't know. One 
said to the other, "This is really weird -- we are in business to kill each 
other." Try it. Amazing things do happen.
Harrison
On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 9:34 AM David Osborne via OSList 
 wrote:

Interesting question Leona.
My answer is more about the principles of self-organization underneath 
openspace (that I learned from Harrison over lunches and a cocktail or two at 
the Glenn Echo Inn) than open space methodology.  Open space requires something 
to be urgent and important.otherwise people won't care and they won't show 
up and invest in it. I think as a manager part of your role is defining what's 
important to the organization and why in a way that people care. and want to 
contribute this sets the direction for your team or group. The urgent 
important issue is like the camp fire that you can then invite people to gather 
around and discuss.it is your role as manager to make the environment 
inclusive and safe for people to gather and share their views and ideas openly 
until insight emerges about the situation itself and what to do about it.   The 
energy and motivation to act will naturally arise at this point and you can 
help the group stay connected and share information about progress and what's 
working and what's not.  It's all self-organizing or emergent change. Where 
Harrison and I differed and I'm still exploring his view is whether we need to 
do anything at all or whether it will all happen by itself.   My view has been 
that I care too, and I want to do something. I am part of the emergence. Is my 
role necessary no. But without it something different will emerge.  Systems are 
always moving toward fragmentation or cohesion and your role as manager will 
make a huge difference in which way they are headed.
Thanks for your question, and my best to all.
David
David R. Osborne
Organization and Leadership Development

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On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 6:13 AM leora tushinski via OSList 
 wrote:


Hello everyone,
 

This is my first time in the OSList and I am writing to ask for the wisdom I am 
sure is held in this group.

My name is Leora and I'm a student of "Dialogic interventions in Large group" , 
held by Tova Averbuch and Rotem Ofer.

As a manager I have a challenge (and maybe a fear): wondering how to "hold" the 
tension between the "freedom" in the OS method,   and “purposefulness” needed 
in most of the processes .

How can we expect to get to "bottom lines" (get the work done) when we depend 
only on the people who come, and what they decide…?

  And more, how can we avoid   the "loose" rules   lead to "anarchy", 
especially in complex environment? 

I will appreciate your time, attention and wisdom

Thank you

Leora

Israel

 
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בברכה,ליאורה 
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Re: [OSList] Poetry on the oslist

[Elwin and Joan via OSList]

 Brilliant Jeff, absolutely brilliant!
You get the prize.
Thank you... I needed that.
eg
On Friday, January 29, 2021, 02:52:18 PM EST, Jeff Aitken via OSList 
 wrote:  
 
 
An open space

By internet

Can serve

During

Emergencies

Fostering

Good conversations

Held in surprising

Intimacy

Just because our

Kind faces

Linger at the screen

Making that

Nearby feeling.

Optimally a

Platform like

Qiqo is a

Resource

Suited

To

Underpin a

Very

Welcoming

Xperience if

You so

deZire.




On Fri, Jan 29, 2021, 10:12 AM Jeff Aitken  wrote:


Hi folks. The warm invite to check the oslist archives led me on a good journey 
last night. Some of the jewels I found were poems, from the days of the "poetry 
celebration and contest" that lived here for a long while. 

Poems of open space! With a convenor naming a poetic "form" to follow for that 
round of celebration. 


Here is one, in the form of three stanzas of haiku.




huge pens and newsprint

like twigs and leaves on the floor:

fall forest clearing.






wall like wide canvas

bare, primed, awaiting fresh strokes

painted by our hearts.






circle of welcome,

like setting an old table

for neighbors and friends.







Here is one in a fun form using an alphabet. It's not about open space, but is 
about writing a poem, kinda. (Without launching a new Celebration formally, i 
invite you to try it...)



And I
Believe you too
Can
Do a poem, and
Even
Fairly
Gracefully – I
Have seen
Innovative
Juxtapositions
Kindly
Line up in
Many
New and
Original
Poems - it’s 
Quite
Reasonable to get
So many words
To line
Up
Very
Willingly
Xcept if you get this far it’s sometimes trouble.






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Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time

[Elwin and Joan via OSList]

Mark

If it ain't broke don't fix it!!!

eg 

On Thu Jan 28 2021 19:01:23 GMT-0500 (EST), l33t.79--- via OSList 
 wrote:  
 
 if you prefer Facebook groups, then we have one here:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/7189220743/



On Thu, 28 Jan 2021, 09:15 Mark Carmel via OSList, 
 wrote:

It is so hard to follow a thread of thought. When was this platform started? 
When the internet was first invented? Come on folks, let's catch up with a 
workable format.  This is in need of a major upgrade. Thanks for your 
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Re: [OSList] The wisdom of Lisa.... shared.....

[Elwin and Joan via OSList]

 Dear God,
I can only echo Romy's opening paragraph.  You have made a "difference" for all 
who know you.peaceeg
On Tuesday, July 7, 2020, 02:58:19 AM EDT, Romy Shovelton via OSList 
 wrote:  
 
 Dearest Lisa, 
I sit here in a kind of stunned silence having taken in all the wisdom that you 
have so generously shared, even when that took much physical effort right now. 
How the world has been touched by your wisdom and your determination and your 
ACTIONs…. How lucky we are to have shared some of those times with you. Thank 
you.
And now, Life is delivering some enforced rest for you. Thank goodness you have 
your loving wife with you.
I’m sure the last thing you want or need is any advice or ‘me too’ stories ! 
And at the risk of being one of those annoying people, may I just quickly share 
that in the early 80s I had a dance with ME/CFS, and still need to listen very 
closely to the signals my body gives me. 
Back then I arrived at a point when, not only could I not speak, I couldn’t 
even listen eg. to kind friends who visited, it was too exhausting. Thanks to a 
naturopath, with fasting & who knows what, that I cannot even remember as I was 
too ‘out of it’ at the time, I began to emerge a little. Then I sailed around 
Australia in a small boat for a year (with two other people) = lots of doing 
nothing except watching yet more sea and yet more sky….and a complete change 
from my usual life. I began to emerge some more. 
Then I read a little book on ME by Erica White, who understands the link 
between ME and what we eat. I went to see her. Gradually I returned to a gentle 
strength. Now, I am well… while still watching those moments when I become what 
I can “dangerously tired”, which is a different kind of tired. When my body 
says rest, I lie down (usually a couple of hours each afternoon). You may have 
heard of Dr. Sarah Myhill. I know Sarah and have been a patient of hers for 
many years. She has some very helpful information to share on her website.
OK… there… I’ve done what I felt might be annoying…. and I just trust that 
perhaps some of it might be useful to you dear Lisa. When your strength is 
sufficient, and should you ever feel called to visit the mountains, lakes, sea 
shores and more of wonderful Wales, there is a space here at Tyddyn Retreat for 
you and your wife, to stay, rest, revive and nourish some more.
With HUGE love…. and a big squishy hug
Romy
PS I made a little film about having ME. It’s always a good reminder to me 
about how precious life is and how I need to listen and listen to my one dear 
and precious body. 

Romy Shovelton

Executive Director
Wikima and the 5* Tyddyn Retreat
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Re: [OSList] Happy birthday Harrison

[Elwin and Joan via OSList]

 ho-at the end of the day all these notes are about love!
look what you triggered!!
Elwin
On Tuesday, December 3, 2019, 08:22:47 AM EST, Harrison Owen via OSList 
 wrote:  
 
 
Made it through another year. Was thinking of moving to Mars… shorter yeara! 
Thanks everybody!!

  

ho

  

From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Peggy 
Holman via OSList
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 12:40 PM
To: Open Space Listserv
Cc: Peggy Holman
Subject: [OSList] Happy birthday Harrison

  

Morning all,

  

It’s that time of year. For most of us, it’s holiday season.

  

A special day for Open Space Technology is today: Harrison Owen’s birthday. 

  

Harrison: wishing you a great day and a special year. As disruption of the 
status quo becomes louder and more prevalent, your gift to the world becomes 
ever more relevant.

  

Thanks for being you.

  

Love,

Peggy

  

  

  



Peggy Holman
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Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval into Opportunity









  
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Re: [OSList] The Triumph of Truth Over Error...Chime in if that's OKAY with YOU? What do you say we raise some SERIOUS money OFFICIALLY training and certifying ALL the GOOD SPIRITS among us mortals to

[Elwin and Joan via OSList]

 and I agree with Chris and Koos
NO
eg
On Thursday, August 1, 2019, 07:01:00 PM EDT, Harrison Owen via OSList 
 wrote:  
 
 
True. I think.

  

ho

  

From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Chris 
Corrigan via OSList
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 4:54 PM
To: Koos de Heer; World wide Open Space Technology email list
Cc: Chris Corrigan; Mark Carmel
Subject: Re: [OSList] The Triumph of Truth Over Error...Chime in if that's OKAY 
with YOU? What do you say we raise some SERIOUS money OFFICIALLY training and 
certifying ALL the GOOD SPIRITS among us mortals to become CERTIFIED OPEN SPACE 
TECHNOLOGISTS???

  

I strongly agree with Koos.  

  

No.  

  

Chris Corrigan.





On Aug 1, 2019, at 1:10 PM, Koos de Heer via OSList 
 wrote:

  

No thanks. I suggest you scan the archive of this list at 
http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/ to find out 
why. There are over 1,000 matches on “certified” or “certification.” No use 
repeating this discussion over and over again.

 

Van: OSList  Namens Mark Carmel via 
OSList
Verzonden: donderdag 1 augustus 2019 21:36
Aan: World wide Open Space Technology email list 

CC: Mark Carmel 
Onderwerp: [OSList] The Triumph of Truth Over Error...Chime in if that's OKAY 
with YOU? What do you say we raise some SERIOUS money OFFICIALLY training and 
certifying ALL the GOOD SPIRITS among us mortals to become CERTIFIED OPEN SPACE 
TECHNOLOGISTS???

 

Dear World Wide Open Space Technologists,

 

ALL we have to do ONLY requires a collective DECISION.  

 

Here is the question:  Are you IN or out?

 

Mark Carmel

Wannabe Certified OST

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Re: [OSList] Harrison - generous as ever

[Elwin and Joan via OSList]

 ho,
As one who acquired the "green" Users Guide from the last box in your basement, 
and several times witnessed your Down East waterfront confrontations with geese 
and for years have witnessed your love for Curtis who serves as your feline 
spiritual advisor, I say "there are no words to capture the love that surrounds 
you!"
peaceeg  
On Wednesday, June 19, 2019, 1:40:11 PM EDT, Harrison Owen via OSList 
 wrote:  
 
 
Romy… Wonderful to hear your voice. Or whatever. Am in Maine. Remembering when 
you were here too. I did a little Goose Diversion. Saw shock in your eyes. 
Shoot a Goose? Yep. But not mortally.

  

ho  

  

From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Romy 
Shovelton via OSList
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 2:49 AM
To: oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
Cc: Romy Shovelton
Subject: [OSList] Harrison - generous as ever

  

Harrison,

  

Your response to Mark is wonderfully typically YOU - generous as ever…. and…. I 
know that you mean every word - it’s a principle or 5 ! Thank you

  

Romy

  

  

Romy Shovelton

Executive Director
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Re: [OSList] Remembering Chris

[Elwin and Joan via OSList]

As I sit on the edge of our circle I'm touched by the spirit we share.  
At my point of passage, I do not read every OSLIST entry.  
But I always read those from Chris.
Thanks to you all for ringing the temple bells!
eg



  From: Peggy Holman via OSList 
 To: Open Listserv  
 Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 3:13 PM
 Subject: Re: [OSList] Remembering Chris
   
Thank you, Chris, for your loving tribute to Chris Weaver. I knew him only 
through his presence on this list. Children and poetry will always be what 
comes up when I think of him.
Ironically, I was walking in the woods this morning with a clear sky and yet it 
was raining in the woods. Guess it was Chris passing by. Thank you for sharing 
this image.
Peggy

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On Sep 22, 2017, at 11:34 AM, Chris Corrigan via OSList 
 wrote:

I’ve added a blog post to the dozens of remembrances for Chris that are 
swirling around the globe today.  If anyone is attending his memorial in 
Asheville, please share this with them.
http://www.chriscorrigan.com/parkinglot/it-rains-in-the-forest-long-after-the-sky-has-cleared/

Hugs to all of you who are so deeply feeling his loss today.
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[OSList] Harrison's Birthday - 2 December

[Elwin and Joan via OSList]

And so every once in a lifetime you bump into someone whoends up changing your 
life for the better!  In a 1995 search for a “User’s Guide”, I encountered 
thisHarrison Owen fellow, seated in his “office”, that consisted of a window 
tableat the Old Angler’s Inn, Potomac, Maryland. Yes, he had a Martini in hand. 
The rest is history as the saying goes.  But that history has taken me through 
28countries since then and all in the name of Open Space. Thus my birthday card 
to Harrison is simply this recognitionof his gift to me, and you! Much Love 
Brother!! Elwin___
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Re: [OSList] OLpening Space for Civil Conversation

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Harrison’s ability to help us put our own thoughts in orderis a gift!   He and 
I share much, basically the same “bubble”. I’m a WASPsans prep school. I see it 
as Harrison does but I always place italics and boldprint on the term FEAR!!! 
FEAR is the product of the absence of Open Space i.e., thecollective engagement 
in meeting the needs of all.  Despite our efforts, this world shows evergrowing 
evidence of fear.  Trump’s win was not about Trump. It was about “them”, 
allthose living in fear of others. They’re a mob unified only by fear.   I am 
following Harrison’s prescription here in small townAmerica. I’m opening space 
in hopes of restoring trust in our system ofgovernance. It’s working!Elwin 
GuildFuture Development InternationalPortland, CT

  From: Harrison Owen via OSList 
 To: 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' 
 
 Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 10:24 AM
 Subject: [OSList] OLpening Space for Civil Conversation
   
The American election occurred almost three 
weeks ago. Curiously, not a word has been uttered here on OSLIST. Obviously 
this was an American election, but it seems very much of a global phenomenon. 
It is also true that over the years we have typically avoided politics of 
whatever sort. However, I think the case can be made that while politics, 
nationally and internationally, are very much a part of what is transpiring – 
The issues are much deeper and more profound. Creating space for useful, civil 
conversations is critical, and we know something about that.  Ho  Ps – I have 
offered a few thoughts below.  
***Donald
 Trump Was Not elected by Martians  I experienced the election of Donald Trump 
as a massive shock. That said, it must be affirmed that he won fair and square 
– albeit with a little help from an arcane institution: The Electoral College. 
Curiously, there were several million more people voting for Hillary than 
Donald. But never mind – he won. And Donald Trump was not elected by Martians.  
The Donald’s victory is appalling to me for many reasons, which need not be 
reiterated. But it is a fact. He won. The Donald is also a recognizable 
American Type, perhaps more in the mold of The Robber Barons or Al Capone, but 
definitely, “American.” Actually, he is his own Brand, or so he would have you 
believe.  More to the point, he was elected by Americans. These Americans are 
my fellow citizens, a disparate bunch for sure, and some of them are neighbors, 
relatives, even friends. How could they do this?   You will not miss the pain 
and incredulity of my question. However, in the interests of transparency,  I 
have a confession to make. I am an endangered species, one of a vanishing few: 
a certified WASP. Skin color, definitely light, Anglo-Saxon for sure, and 
Protestant of the Episcopalian sort. Old Philadelphian, Socially Registered, 
all the proper schools. In short: WASP  And I lived in a bubble. It is true 
that I have traveled the world, living and working on every continent (save 
Antarctica) – for corporations, governments and very small villages. I have 
heard much, and seen more – but you never get out of your skin. That bubble 
goes with you. The election of Donald Trump popped my bubble.  I have to thank 
him for that.   The revelation experienced has little to do with a sudden 
perception of the issues involved. Some of those issues were less familiar, but 
few were strangers. Indeed, I seem to have worked with them all. What I missed 
(or miss-gauged) was more fundamental: Fear. Deep, existential Fear. The 
Germans would say Angst.  The source of all this anxiety? I suspect the culprit 
is none other than Change. Deep, radical Change... with no end in sight. All 
7.5+ billion of us are in the midst of a transformative moment. Every 
organization, institution, or social structure worldwide is being pushed to the 
edge of breaking –  and beyond. The Pillars of the Earth, the central 
structures, the things we count on are on shaking ground. It is all called 
CHANGE with a very capitol C. Terrifying – if you stop to think about it.   
Remarking that the world is changing has become a tattered cliché. And 
curiously, on the American political scene, a leading theme is the need for 
CHANGE! Both Obama (“Change you can believe in”) and Trump played that card. We 
seem to be asking for more of our most frightening nightmare.The insanity of 
this paradox resolves once the nature of our desired change is specified. More 
often than not, the hoped for Change is, “Back to the good old days.” That 
could be days as they actually were, or more usually, days as we might wish 
them to have been. The “American Dream” being a good example.  That there is 
The Dream is a fact, and it has had the beneficial effect of pushing and 
sucking us along. But suggesting that The Dream represents an assured 

Re: [OSList] WOSonOS Updating

[Elwin and Joan via OSList]

so I just spent an inspiring hour or more in the online company of Lisa Heft 
and Michael Herman and my heart is at peace, on a day when that was desperately 
needed. Much love.

The opening at WOSonOS was "perfect"
ElwinFuture Development International


  From: Michael Herman via OSList 
 To: OSLIST  
 Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 8:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [OSList] WOSonOS Updating
   
...Harrison gave a short hello via zoom on the big screen in Manila a few 
minutes ago, Sharon welcomed all the participants, and now Mitch is doing the 
opening briefing.  Lisa, Elwin, Lucas, Skye, and some friends I haven't met yet 
sitting in, via openspace.qiqochat.com, and i think maybe we're on the big 
screen in the room, too.  Looking forward to hearing everyone start posting 
topics...
 
--

Michael Herman
Michael Herman Associates312-280-7838 (mobile)

http://MichaelHerman.com
http://OpenSpaceWorld.org


On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Michael Herman  
wrote:

I've just been chatting with Mitch who will soon be opening the space in 
Manila.  Suzanne Daigle and Alan Stewart have arrived and said good morning.  
The space and the gardens and the food table all look great.  The opening will 
start in a little over half an hour.  There are a couple dozen people 
registered online, some in Manila and some other places.  Join us from wherever 
you are, if you like, via openspace.qiqochat.com...

 
--

Michael Herman
Michael Herman Associates312-280-7838 (mobile)

http://MichaelHerman.com
http://OpenSpaceWorld.org




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Re: [OSList] Hello and a question

[Elwin and Joan via OSList]

This short video of OST use in town-wide planning might be a helpful guide for 
you.http://portlandplan.org/
ElwinFuture Development International
Portland CT

  From: Xenki berho muxika via OSList 
 To: Bhavesh Patel ; World wide Open Space Technology email 
list  
 Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 5:40 AM
 Subject: Re: [OSList] Hello and a question
   
Hi you all, I can´t ignore this message chain 
that is taking place on this fabolous community.

My name is Xenki, and I´m also from a little town near San Sebastian-Donostia.
Co-Organizer of THE ART OF COLLABORATION, we are this days planing how to 
spread the "tribes call" that we are doing for the Collaboratory space that we 
are creating. Collaboratory Space on which differents Tribes all over the World 
coul join in a facilitated space. Tribes that develop differents methodologycal 
aspect of the colective creation (facilitation, process work, sociocracy, 
forum, dragon dreaming, visual thinking..) but also which applicates that 
knowlage in other social or economical spaces (circular economy, collaborative 
economy, p2p knowledge, commons, transition towns, ecovillage global network, 
permaculture, design for change education, gaia education...) so many. SO 
MANY!!!

This want to be a great worldwide tribes call. The COLLABORATORY WANT TO BE a 
conecting/colearnig and cocreating space. The COLERNING WANT TO BE a University 
of those ways of living.

We have invited to more than 30 tribes, and they are managing the answer. 
Participating like a tribe gives discount and facilities.
I was desing to call all of you OpenSpacers, and because of that I spoke Eleder 
this week to invite him to make the call. Because I´m pretty bussy in other 
branches of the project (even i couldn´t enjoy Lisas compañy like I wanted:(. 
But wow!! 
this is the opportunitty.

Is because of that that I share with you this dream that is taking form little 
by little, and we guess this last month will be fantanstic! This casualty is 
prove of that.

SO YOU ARE INVITED  Open Spacers, tribe of this methodology. If you want I 
share more info about how to participate or collaborate like tribe or 
individual in another message. That will be fantastic.

Good luck and be happy, ...and rest ;) 

The Organisational group is descentralised, is working on network, special and 
interesting way!! but is also hard 

- - - - - - - - - - - - 
Xenki Berho Mujika
CO-Organizer
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tlf. 664.178.993

 
2016-05-25 8:30 GMT+02:00 Bhavesh Patel via OSList 
:

Dear Maria,

I don't have a direct response to your question... however I know this event is 
also happening in your space: http://www.theartof-co.com/

Is this a place you could bring your idea, and over a week see how it grows and 
who else gets attracted to it, and maybe your idea will tell you what to do 
next by the end of the week?

I understand that some of the team who organised the OSELE are also organising 
this event.


Smiles Bhav...




On 25 May 2016 at 00:07, Maria A via OSList  
wrote:

Dear space openers,

I write from Donosti-San Sebastian, the city where this last OSELE has taken 
place. I am really inspired by this experience, such a luxury to have you here! 

I come to you to ask about experiences in OS related to future scenarios for a 
city. This one is not too big, some of us think it´s a big village ;-) Mark 
suggested this idea at OSELE, and I felt it made total sense for me, to open a 
space in the city where I was born and have lived for so many years. It is a 
huge and great challenge, and I have no experience in this kind of OS. I would 
really appreciate any hint or ideas. I want to write the project assap so we 
can apply for some grant... who knows!

Thank you for this list and for being there,

Maria

 
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Re: [OSList] Opening space when borders are closing

[Elwin and Joan via OSList]

ho-
you nailed it! 
"something to do during this Transformative Moment" = Open some  Space
Elwin
  From: Harrison Owen via OSList 
 To: 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' 
 
 Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2015 4:57 PM
 Subject: [OSList] Opening space when borders are closing
   
The events in Paris have caught our 
attention. However, with deepest respect and sympathy for my Parisian friends 
(Christine in particular), the simple truth is that the human toll (127 and 
counting) is only the daily score in many troubled spots of the world. You can 
name them as well as I.   And Mr Holland, President of France, declaring, “This 
is an act of War,” and “promising” retaliation of whatever sort  -- is quite 
understandable. Of course he also (according to the American Press) closed the 
borders. Again understandable, but curious especially when it appears that 
some substantial portion of the combatants (enemy) are French. Somehow the 
enemy is us This is not your grandfather’s war.  Or Something.  Any human 
being who claims to understand what is going on, and feels competent to 
prescribe the  specific solution (close the borders, open the borders, ban the 
immigrants, welcome the immigrants, shoot them all, whatever) is, in my humble 
judgment, quite mad.   I, however, will venture one affirmative (positive) 
statement. We (That’s all 7 ½ Billion of us) are in a Transformative Moment. 
How long it will last, and what the end result will be, I don’t have a clue. 
But I do believe that it will take all 7 ½ billion of us, working together, to 
solve the issues at hand. Tall order, to be sure. Then again, we have had some 
several hundred thousand years’ practice. And to date – despite all odds – 
we’re still here.  And the magic sauce?  I do know some things it’s (special 
sauce) NOT: a special program, ideology, methodology, tool, technique, 
intervention, practice, discipline...  It is something that has been around 
a lot longer, much more basic and fundamental.  You guessed it. Self 
Organization.  We did not invent it. Certainly didn’t create it. But we can 
help, I do believe.   Open Space wherever, whenever, however, with whom-so-ever 
as often as you can. If nothing else, it will give you something to do during 
this Transformative Moment.  Harrison        Winter Address7808 River Falls 
DrivePotomac, MD 20854301-365-2093  Summer Address189 Beaucaire Ave.Camden, ME 
04843207-763-3261  Websites www.openspaceworld.comwww.ho-image.comOSLIST To 
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Re: [OSList] 30 Years ... and Counting!

[Elwin and Joan via OSList]

Everyone's comment on this occasion has one thing at its center, gratefulness 
for 
OST's life changing impact.
Count me among'em!!
Elwin GuildPortland, CT
  From: Daniel Mezick via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
 To: oslist@lists.openspacetech.org 
 Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 7:51 AM
 Subject: Re: [OSList] 30 Years ... and Counting!
   
 Do we just do what we are programmed to do? Are Troublemakers born, rather 
then made? Tricksters? Warriors? Storytellers? 
 
 Is free will an illusion? Is [the Law of 2 Feet] therefore a joke, a rather 
funny joke actually, and one that is on us?
 
 
  Like the output of a programmed computer, only one choice is ever physically 
possible: the one you made, Coyne wrote.
 
 Mele pointed out that the study participants' brain activity accurately 
predicted their eventual decision only 60 percent of the time. In his view, 
this suggests people can consciously choose to override their brains' 
predispositions.  Therefore, he wrote, I do not recommend betting the farm on 
the nonexistence of free will.
  http://www.livescience.com/19213-free-fate.html
  
 
 

On 6/27/15 8:13 AM, Harrison via OSList wrote:
  
 
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div.yiv5306195737WordSection1 {}#yiv5306195737  Paul – I cannot dispute that 
something called “Harrison Owen” was present. But I was just giving you an 
“inside report” of my experience. I never doubted my presence, but how, why, or 
for what purpose I showed up remained pretty much of a constant mystery to me 
prospectively. Retrospectively it all seems to make some sort of sense, and 
with a little effort I can spin a marvelous tale. Or at least I enjoy it.    
Specifically, I never got a job that I went after. I never went after a job 
that I got. I did “choose” a career, but that blew up in the first few years. 
Very honestly, I always seems to be well on my way to the next part of my life 
before I had even a small clue. Talk about life plan. Is that self 
organization? I don’t know, but it works for me.    Harrison     Winter Address 
7808 River Falls Drive Potomac, MD 20854 301-365-2093    Summer Address 189 
Beaucaire Ave. Camden, ME 04843 207-763-3261    Websites  
www.openspaceworld.com www.ho-image.com OSLIST To subscribe, unsubscribe, 
change your options, view the archives of OSLIST Go 
to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org     
From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of paul 
levy via OSList
 Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 3:10 AM
 To: Michael Herman; World wide Open Space Technology email list
 Cc: Harrison
 Subject: Re: [OSList] 30 Years ... and Counting!     Harrison        You had 
everything to do with it. You were there, and it could never happened without 
you, for you are it-self.     Warm wishes     Paul 
 
 On Saturday, 27 June 2015, Michael Herman via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:  i want to add something to what you're 
saying about acting UPON the system and acting IN the system, paul.  i think 
there's a third way.         it's common, as you say, for people to separate 
and try to have some effect UPON the Self, the circle, the system.  we call it 
managing, directing, imposing, controlling, and improving – and the shape is 
the same even if we're trying to improve open space.   it's all outside and 
unsatisfied.  then there is, as you say, acting IN the system.  people 
announcing sessions, floating around as butterflies, and so on.      the 
third way takes a certain kind of person and/or a good deal of practice, maybe 
even a little luck (a few martinis, perhaps?).  the third way is when little 
individual separate selves manage to speak up AS the Self.  this is just the 
opposite of the manager self attempting to speak for the Self.      in 
those moments, mostly fleeting, of 

Re: [OSList] Help Request

[Elwin and Joan via OSList]

My wife listened to me read Yousif's story and suggested that someone link him 
up with George Clooney who has been extremely active on Sudanese issues.
Elwin

  From: Peggy Holman via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
 To: Open Listserv oslist@lists.openspacetech.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 11:59 AM
 Subject: [OSList] Help Request
   
Hi all,
I had an unusual phone call yesterday with a Sudanese man, Yousif Ibra, who is 
living in Fort Wayne, Indiana. He has been in the U.S. for about one year and 
has applied for asylum but has yet to hear anything. He left family behind when 
he fled his country. 
Yousif told me that he saw my book online and thought I could help. I committed 
to sending him copies of my books and said that I would reach out to the 
networks I’m in to see if there’s someone better equipped than I to work with 
him. I’m definitely out of my element on this!
I asked him to write something about his request for help. His response to my 
request is below. There are no doubt multiple forms of support that might be 
possible: connections with organizations that are involved with Sudan, a place 
for him in a workshop you are doing, or working with him to imagine something 
that can be done.
I’m sending this message in hopes that someone(s) are in a position to help 
Yousif. His contact information is in his message. Do copy me if you reach out 
to him. In fact, let us know on this list if you do.
I guess I’m counting on the miracle of this world wide network of friends to 
have someone who can make a difference.
With gratitude,Peggy



Begin forwarded message:
Subject: Help request 
From: Yousif yousifibr...@gmail.com
Date: April 6, 2015 at 4:34:11 PM PDT
To: pe...@peggyholman.com pe...@peggyholman.com

Dear peggy Holman:
My greets and appreciate for your interest on my catastrophic issue.
my name is Yousif Ibra ,PhD accounting.
I came US in February 2014 as escaped politician from Sudan.the situation in my 
country is very hard .governed by military dictator, discriminative terrorist 
sponsor, oppressive ,and so far immoral corrupt regime.
Since the regime took power in 1989 by military coup became main terrorism 
coordinator against Israel ,U.S.A , and all the free democracy or un Islamic  
Fundamelism countries ,and that which defamed the innocent Sudanese as they are 
criminals.
May political opposition parties and rebellion groups created to fight for 
changing this totalitarian regime ,but all the politician are even killed ,put 
in prisons or enforced to leave the country ..And all the population in 
rebellion regions are oppressed by devastating their houses ,farmlands ,and 
whole livestocks are even confiscated or raided by the regime's warplanes.
Even all that efforts ,the opposition groups are failed  to coordinate to 
change this mi serious situation for  many reasons which some of them are:
1-lack of strategic vision in most of rebellion group.
2- lack of comprehensive changing methodology in most of the political parties.
3-There is no real under stand and interface among global leaders ,institutes 
,and intellectuals about the existing regime as again course  of in stability 
in the region and source of in security threat for the west and free countries 
in Africa ,Middle east and Israel's people in particular.
I read some abstracts from honorable Peggy Holman's References about 
comprehensive changing ,and I think this scientific methodology and approach is 
very important to be consulted in  working for real change in my complicated  
and aggravated country .
For the brief above we are in extreme for your help by means of :
1-your expertise advice to any sudanese he is honestly working for better 
future.
2-we need to any financial ,political and structural aid that help us so much 
to coordinate,unify ,and help the scattered efforts for the main goal; which is 
how to change this sad situation.
3-we need your help for the very necessary access to the deferent persons 
,organizations and decision makers who have desire of help us to change the 
inhumanity situation in my country.
4- I need your help and will be very thankful if you invited me to attend any 
program ,workshops ,or events with your organization or any of your partners or 
work relations nets.
Thanks
Your truly sincere
Yousif Ibra. My Address:
   Yousif Ibra

  1215 Fulton St
  Fort Wayne  IN 46802
My email:
yousifibr...@gmail.com



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Re: [OSList] Combining sessions - a slight change of title

[Elwin and Joan via OSList]

Chris,
As always, spot on and beautifully said.
Amen Brother!
Elwin Guild

  From: Chris Corrigan via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
 To: Peggy Holman pe...@peggyholman.com; World wide Open Space Technology 
email list oslist@lists.openspacetech.org 
 Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 10:58 AM
 Subject: Re: [OSList] Combining sessions - a slight change of title
   
Great stories. 

One bit of coaching wisdom from my partner Caitlin Frost: when you find 
yourself quick to provide advice to groups of people keep quiet and write that 
advice down for yourself.

If we are really doing work to address topics that we don't know how to address 
otherwise, then there is no way we as facilitators can make an intervention 
that will result in better quality than the group making its own decisions. If 
you think otherwise, then it was probably  wrong to choose open space in the 
first place. None of us alone are brilliant enough to know how we should solve 
intractable problems. So trust the group and hold the space for them to find 
their way. 

Harrison has said it before and I agree: forget about trusting the process; 
trust the people.

I don't believe that open space technology is the only method for addressing 
problems that groups and organizations and communities face. But there are good 
reasons for doing it and if you discern these and choose it, use it.

Chris




-- 
CHRIS CORRIGAN
Harvest Moon Consultants
Facilitation, Open Space Technology and process design 

Check www.chriscorrigan.com for upcoming workshops, blog posts and free 
resources. 



 On Jan 30, 2015, at 7:02 AM, Peggy Holman via OSList 
 oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:
 
 Just read through this thread. I have a real story of almost as many sessions 
 as participants that illustrates much of the wise counsel in this exchange. 
 It was a small group, about a dozen people on the last morning of a 3-day 
 gathering. Over the previous days, they had heard the sort of message others 
 have mentioned about not combining sessions and that ultimately the choice 
 belongs to the conveners. 
 
 I had just invited people to post for a single round focused on taking 
 action. Virtually everyone posted something. With about 10 topics for twelve 
 people, they sat in the circle and asked themselves what should we do? They 
 started analyzing the situation, discussing different ways to handle it. It 
 occurred to me that they were using their precious time on the last day 
 talking ABOUT how to organize rather than going to their sessions. 
 
 So I said to them, just go to the wall and you'll figure it out. They did. 
 Within a minute, they had grouped the offerings into three sessions and 
 headed to their rooms for the conversations. There was nothing overtly 
 logical about their groupings. I'm not sure they could tell you their 
 rationale for how they organized them. But it worked. 
 
 Peggy Holman 
 425-746-6274
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Jan 30, 2015, at 3:43 AM, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList 
 oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:
 
 Dear John,
 
 you write:
 
 ...Yes you could leave it, but really I think that is too many issues to 
 really be productive.  Will people self organise and have the most 
 productive conversations they can?...
 
 This is what came to my mind:
 
 Can there be too many issues for folks to be productive?
 
 Can people selforganise without having the most productive conversation for 
 themselves?
 
 And here some snips of my experiences around what I assume we are talking 
 about:
 
 When participants listen to the issues of others I felt that this listening 
 would filter duplicates. Often, however, I noticed that almost identical 
 or only slightly different issues were posted. That sometimes had the effect 
 that the first person that offered the issue suggested combining the new 
 similar issue with the one posted first. Sometimes this was agreed to and at 
 other times it was not. This was another puzzle for me to occupy myself with.
 
 Then, I had the fortune of facilitating an os-event where folks spoke a 
 language I did not understand. Experiencing, how that reduced me to what I 
 now consider to be closer to my real tasks as an os-facilitator I began to 
 stop listening to the content of issues and increasingly got disattached 
 more and more from content (mind you, I am still grappling with it).
 
 And here some preliminary thoughts on a possible background for all this, 
 even though it reads quite a bit like dogma on second reading:
 
 One of my little assumptions regarding the effectiveness especially of 
 os-facilitation (in contrast to other modes of facilitation that I busied 
 myself with for decades of OD work) is practicing what I espouse as a fact 
 of life I claim to have understood: There is nothing as effective and (add 
 your own adjectives) as selforganisation. Or, stepping aside, abandoning 
 control, etc. is the best invitation for the awesome force of 
 selforganisation to do its 

Re: [OSList] Combining sessions - a slight change of title

[Elwin and Joan via OSList]

Chris,
As always, spot on and beautifully said.
Amen Brother!
Elwin Guild

  From: Chris Corrigan via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
 To: Peggy Holman pe...@peggyholman.com; World wide Open Space Technology 
email list oslist@lists.openspacetech.org 
 Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 10:58 AM
 Subject: Re: [OSList] Combining sessions - a slight change of title
   
Great stories. 

One bit of coaching wisdom from my partner Caitlin Frost: when you find 
yourself quick to provide advice to groups of people keep quiet and write that 
advice down for yourself.

If we are really doing work to address topics that we don't know how to address 
otherwise, then there is no way we as facilitators can make an intervention 
that will result in better quality than the group making its own decisions. If 
you think otherwise, then it was probably  wrong to choose open space in the 
first place. None of us alone are brilliant enough to know how we should solve 
intractable problems. So trust the group and hold the space for them to find 
their way. 

Harrison has said it before and I agree: forget about trusting the process; 
trust the people.

I don't believe that open space technology is the only method for addressing 
problems that groups and organizations and communities face. But there are good 
reasons for doing it and if you discern these and choose it, use it.

Chris




-- 
CHRIS CORRIGAN
Harvest Moon Consultants
Facilitation, Open Space Technology and process design 

Check www.chriscorrigan.com for upcoming workshops, blog posts and free 
resources. 



 On Jan 30, 2015, at 7:02 AM, Peggy Holman via OSList 
 oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:
 
 Just read through this thread. I have a real story of almost as many sessions 
 as participants that illustrates much of the wise counsel in this exchange. 
 It was a small group, about a dozen people on the last morning of a 3-day 
 gathering. Over the previous days, they had heard the sort of message others 
 have mentioned about not combining sessions and that ultimately the choice 
 belongs to the conveners. 
 
 I had just invited people to post for a single round focused on taking 
 action. Virtually everyone posted something. With about 10 topics for twelve 
 people, they sat in the circle and asked themselves what should we do? They 
 started analyzing the situation, discussing different ways to handle it. It 
 occurred to me that they were using their precious time on the last day 
 talking ABOUT how to organize rather than going to their sessions. 
 
 So I said to them, just go to the wall and you'll figure it out. They did. 
 Within a minute, they had grouped the offerings into three sessions and 
 headed to their rooms for the conversations. There was nothing overtly 
 logical about their groupings. I'm not sure they could tell you their 
 rationale for how they organized them. But it worked. 
 
 Peggy Holman 
 425-746-6274
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Jan 30, 2015, at 3:43 AM, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList 
 oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:
 
 Dear John,
 
 you write:
 
 ...Yes you could leave it, but really I think that is too many issues to 
 really be productive.  Will people self organise and have the most 
 productive conversations they can?...
 
 This is what came to my mind:
 
 Can there be too many issues for folks to be productive?
 
 Can people selforganise without having the most productive conversation for 
 themselves?
 
 And here some snips of my experiences around what I assume we are talking 
 about:
 
 When participants listen to the issues of others I felt that this listening 
 would filter duplicates. Often, however, I noticed that almost identical 
 or only slightly different issues were posted. That sometimes had the effect 
 that the first person that offered the issue suggested combining the new 
 similar issue with the one posted first. Sometimes this was agreed to and at 
 other times it was not. This was another puzzle for me to occupy myself with.
 
 Then, I had the fortune of facilitating an os-event where folks spoke a 
 language I did not understand. Experiencing, how that reduced me to what I 
 now consider to be closer to my real tasks as an os-facilitator I began to 
 stop listening to the content of issues and increasingly got disattached 
 more and more from content (mind you, I am still grappling with it).
 
 And here some preliminary thoughts on a possible background for all this, 
 even though it reads quite a bit like dogma on second reading:
 
 One of my little assumptions regarding the effectiveness especially of 
 os-facilitation (in contrast to other modes of facilitation that I busied 
 myself with for decades of OD work) is practicing what I espouse as a fact 
 of life I claim to have understood: There is nothing as effective and (add 
 your own adjectives) as selforganisation. Or, stepping aside, abandoning 
 control, etc. is the best invitation for the awesome force of 
 selforganisation to do its 

Re: [OSList] Combining sessions - a slight change of title

[Elwin and Joan via OSList]

Chris,
As always, spot on and beautifully said.
Amen Brother!
Elwin Guild

  From: Chris Corrigan via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
 To: Peggy Holman pe...@peggyholman.com; World wide Open Space Technology 
email list oslist@lists.openspacetech.org 
 Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 10:58 AM
 Subject: Re: [OSList] Combining sessions - a slight change of title
   
Great stories. 

One bit of coaching wisdom from my partner Caitlin Frost: when you find 
yourself quick to provide advice to groups of people keep quiet and write that 
advice down for yourself.

If we are really doing work to address topics that we don't know how to address 
otherwise, then there is no way we as facilitators can make an intervention 
that will result in better quality than the group making its own decisions. If 
you think otherwise, then it was probably  wrong to choose open space in the 
first place. None of us alone are brilliant enough to know how we should solve 
intractable problems. So trust the group and hold the space for them to find 
their way. 

Harrison has said it before and I agree: forget about trusting the process; 
trust the people.

I don't believe that open space technology is the only method for addressing 
problems that groups and organizations and communities face. But there are good 
reasons for doing it and if you discern these and choose it, use it.

Chris




-- 
CHRIS CORRIGAN
Harvest Moon Consultants
Facilitation, Open Space Technology and process design 

Check www.chriscorrigan.com for upcoming workshops, blog posts and free 
resources. 



 On Jan 30, 2015, at 7:02 AM, Peggy Holman via OSList 
 oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:
 
 Just read through this thread. I have a real story of almost as many sessions 
 as participants that illustrates much of the wise counsel in this exchange. 
 It was a small group, about a dozen people on the last morning of a 3-day 
 gathering. Over the previous days, they had heard the sort of message others 
 have mentioned about not combining sessions and that ultimately the choice 
 belongs to the conveners. 
 
 I had just invited people to post for a single round focused on taking 
 action. Virtually everyone posted something. With about 10 topics for twelve 
 people, they sat in the circle and asked themselves what should we do? They 
 started analyzing the situation, discussing different ways to handle it. It 
 occurred to me that they were using their precious time on the last day 
 talking ABOUT how to organize rather than going to their sessions. 
 
 So I said to them, just go to the wall and you'll figure it out. They did. 
 Within a minute, they had grouped the offerings into three sessions and 
 headed to their rooms for the conversations. There was nothing overtly 
 logical about their groupings. I'm not sure they could tell you their 
 rationale for how they organized them. But it worked. 
 
 Peggy Holman 
 425-746-6274
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Jan 30, 2015, at 3:43 AM, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList 
 oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:
 
 Dear John,
 
 you write:
 
 ...Yes you could leave it, but really I think that is too many issues to 
 really be productive.  Will people self organise and have the most 
 productive conversations they can?...
 
 This is what came to my mind:
 
 Can there be too many issues for folks to be productive?
 
 Can people selforganise without having the most productive conversation for 
 themselves?
 
 And here some snips of my experiences around what I assume we are talking 
 about:
 
 When participants listen to the issues of others I felt that this listening 
 would filter duplicates. Often, however, I noticed that almost identical 
 or only slightly different issues were posted. That sometimes had the effect 
 that the first person that offered the issue suggested combining the new 
 similar issue with the one posted first. Sometimes this was agreed to and at 
 other times it was not. This was another puzzle for me to occupy myself with.
 
 Then, I had the fortune of facilitating an os-event where folks spoke a 
 language I did not understand. Experiencing, how that reduced me to what I 
 now consider to be closer to my real tasks as an os-facilitator I began to 
 stop listening to the content of issues and increasingly got disattached 
 more and more from content (mind you, I am still grappling with it).
 
 And here some preliminary thoughts on a possible background for all this, 
 even though it reads quite a bit like dogma on second reading:
 
 One of my little assumptions regarding the effectiveness especially of 
 os-facilitation (in contrast to other modes of facilitation that I busied 
 myself with for decades of OD work) is practicing what I espouse as a fact 
 of life I claim to have understood: There is nothing as effective and (add 
 your own adjectives) as selforganisation. Or, stepping aside, abandoning 
 control, etc. is the best invitation for the awesome force of 
 selforganisation to do its 

Re: [OSList] Anticipating number of topics/sessions...

[Elwin and Joan via OSList]

I have always found it useful to demonstrate the Marketplace aspect of OST.
In a quick heartbeat I say, Here's all you have to do to create today's 
agenda. I have an issue. I do not get paid enough to Facilitate this event. So 
my Topic is 'Help me get more pay!' (I write it on the paper, announce it to 
the circle and move to the wall). Here's the tape to attach it to the agenda 
(apply the tape) Now I need a time and place for you to meet with me. ( I pluck 
a pink post-it with 2 pm printed on it and stick it to my issue) Now you know 
what I need your help with and where and when to find me.
When you do that RETURN TO YOUR SEAT  and LISTEN to the other meeting 
announcements. If we do that, there will not be  many duplicate meetings. We'll 
all go to the same one.
The final statement in this demonstration is a clear way to gain 
understanding of the process while reducing potential duplicate meetings.

Elwin GuildFuture Development International(deep in snow in Portland 
Connecticut)
  From: Lisa Heft - via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
 To: OSLIST oslist@lists.openspacetech.org 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 11:45 AM
 Subject: Re: [OSList] Anticipating number of topics/sessions...
   
I am enjoying your responses, all, and it also does touch upon what I first 
thought when I myself was about to respond.

Everything in a human systems dynamic (facilitation, dialogue) touches upon and 
informs everything else

So what came to mind for me - in addition to how many chairs or breakout spaces 
I design into a big meeting room for Open Space…

- depends on how you yourself explain the principles and such - do you invite 
the individual thinker or do other illustration of those principles
- depends on how you invite the topics (or whatever language you may use) - do 
you say ‘even a question you do not know the answer to’ or another way of 
saying everything is welcome
- depends on the design of the timing - are you giving enough time in the 
agenda co-creation time for both quick responders and also for reflective 
thinkers
- depends on how many or how short the discussion session times may be
- depends on how much furniture is available or what kinds of chairs they are - 
chairs with little desks attached or ‘wide-body’ chairs or ?
- depends whether the room is square or long and skinny
- depends on the sound quality in the room
…in addition to the important elements my colleagues are naming here…
- depends on so many things, all ideally taken into consideration in advance of 
the event.

By the way, I say the same - topics may seem the same but may be totally 
different in two individuals’ heads; if it’s so important it came up through 
different people it may benefit from two different conversations with different 
mixes of people at different times in the day; only the convenors may make that 
decision; and: for some groups when appropriate / when I sense it (as sometimes 
with academicians) - think of how our Western / Northern (hemisphere) culture / 
education has us always move towards synthesis, majority-think. Think what rich 
diverse ideas something might yield when we do not automatically move to 
synthesis / combination but instead honor and make room for the differences. 
What then might we discover?

Lisa



On Jan 27, 2015, at 8:27 AM, Chris Corrigan via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

 I also point out that combining topics might seem like a good idea but for 
 complex problems there is actually a benefit to having two different 
 conversations. There is no such thing as redundancy and different 
 conversations with different people gives you the obliquity to address 
 intractable issues. 
 
 Chris 
 
 
 
 
 On Jan 27, 2015, at 2:54 AM, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList 
 oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:
 
 Dear Susan,
 
 yes, thats my feeling too, 15 to 20 breakout spaces for 30 to 40 issues.
 
 Jeffs response on combining or abandoning topics got me to reflect on the 
 word topic. From work wayback with structured brainstorming I remember a 
 group of 25 generating between 30 to 50 topics.
 
 With os crowds and my use of the word issue (with talking a bit about what 
 is meant with issue in contrast to topic or idea or something I am 
 interested in, mentioning passion, urgency etc.) I find that there was 
 decreasing tendency of combining or abolishing. Actually, when someone 
 suggested to combine issues I would suggest in a very low-key way that this 
 was not illegal and add something like: What might look and sound very 
 similar often turns out to be different in an important way.
 
 As a participant I have become    quite uncomfortable, irritated or even 
 foaming when I had a facilitator go to the Bulleting Board and cluster 
 stuff... turning into a space invador. My reaction, I suppose, got me to be 
 cautious with combining.
 
 How is your take on the impact of the words we use?
 
 
 Cheers and good luck with a very short event!
 
 mmp
 
 On 

Re: [OSList] Anticipating number of topics/sessions...

[Elwin and Joan via OSList]

I have always found it useful to demonstrate the Marketplace aspect of OST.
In a quick heartbeat I say, Here's all you have to do to create today's 
agenda. I have an issue. I do not get paid enough to Facilitate this event. So 
my Topic is 'Help me get more pay!' (I write it on the paper, announce it to 
the circle and move to the wall). Here's the tape to attach it to the agenda 
(apply the tape) Now I need a time and place for you to meet with me. ( I pluck 
a pink post-it with 2 pm printed on it and stick it to my issue) Now you know 
what I need your help with and where and when to find me.
When you do that RETURN TO YOUR SEAT  and LISTEN to the other meeting 
announcements. If we do that, there will not be  many duplicate meetings. We'll 
all go to the same one.
The final statement in this demonstration is a clear way to gain 
understanding of the process while reducing potential duplicate meetings.

Elwin GuildFuture Development International(deep in snow in Portland 
Connecticut)
  From: Lisa Heft - via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
 To: OSLIST oslist@lists.openspacetech.org 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 11:45 AM
 Subject: Re: [OSList] Anticipating number of topics/sessions...
   
I am enjoying your responses, all, and it also does touch upon what I first 
thought when I myself was about to respond.

Everything in a human systems dynamic (facilitation, dialogue) touches upon and 
informs everything else

So what came to mind for me - in addition to how many chairs or breakout spaces 
I design into a big meeting room for Open Space…

- depends on how you yourself explain the principles and such - do you invite 
the individual thinker or do other illustration of those principles
- depends on how you invite the topics (or whatever language you may use) - do 
you say ‘even a question you do not know the answer to’ or another way of 
saying everything is welcome
- depends on the design of the timing - are you giving enough time in the 
agenda co-creation time for both quick responders and also for reflective 
thinkers
- depends on how many or how short the discussion session times may be
- depends on how much furniture is available or what kinds of chairs they are - 
chairs with little desks attached or ‘wide-body’ chairs or ?
- depends whether the room is square or long and skinny
- depends on the sound quality in the room
…in addition to the important elements my colleagues are naming here…
- depends on so many things, all ideally taken into consideration in advance of 
the event.

By the way, I say the same - topics may seem the same but may be totally 
different in two individuals’ heads; if it’s so important it came up through 
different people it may benefit from two different conversations with different 
mixes of people at different times in the day; only the convenors may make that 
decision; and: for some groups when appropriate / when I sense it (as sometimes 
with academicians) - think of how our Western / Northern (hemisphere) culture / 
education has us always move towards synthesis, majority-think. Think what rich 
diverse ideas something might yield when we do not automatically move to 
synthesis / combination but instead honor and make room for the differences. 
What then might we discover?

Lisa



On Jan 27, 2015, at 8:27 AM, Chris Corrigan via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

 I also point out that combining topics might seem like a good idea but for 
 complex problems there is actually a benefit to having two different 
 conversations. There is no such thing as redundancy and different 
 conversations with different people gives you the obliquity to address 
 intractable issues. 
 
 Chris 
 
 
 
 
 On Jan 27, 2015, at 2:54 AM, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList 
 oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:
 
 Dear Susan,
 
 yes, thats my feeling too, 15 to 20 breakout spaces for 30 to 40 issues.
 
 Jeffs response on combining or abandoning topics got me to reflect on the 
 word topic. From work wayback with structured brainstorming I remember a 
 group of 25 generating between 30 to 50 topics.
 
 With os crowds and my use of the word issue (with talking a bit about what 
 is meant with issue in contrast to topic or idea or something I am 
 interested in, mentioning passion, urgency etc.) I find that there was 
 decreasing tendency of combining or abolishing. Actually, when someone 
 suggested to combine issues I would suggest in a very low-key way that this 
 was not illegal and add something like: What might look and sound very 
 similar often turns out to be different in an important way.
 
 As a participant I have become    quite uncomfortable, irritated or even 
 foaming when I had a facilitator go to the Bulleting Board and cluster 
 stuff... turning into a space invador. My reaction, I suppose, got me to be 
 cautious with combining.
 
 How is your take on the impact of the words we use?
 
 
 Cheers and good luck with a very short event!
 
 mmp
 
 On 

Re: [OSList] Anticipating number of topics/sessions...

[Elwin and Joan via OSList]

I have always found it useful to demonstrate the Marketplace aspect of OST.
In a quick heartbeat I say, Here's all you have to do to create today's 
agenda. I have an issue. I do not get paid enough to Facilitate this event. So 
my Topic is 'Help me get more pay!' (I write it on the paper, announce it to 
the circle and move to the wall). Here's the tape to attach it to the agenda 
(apply the tape) Now I need a time and place for you to meet with me. ( I pluck 
a pink post-it with 2 pm printed on it and stick it to my issue) Now you know 
what I need your help with and where and when to find me.
When you do that RETURN TO YOUR SEAT  and LISTEN to the other meeting 
announcements. If we do that, there will not be  many duplicate meetings. We'll 
all go to the same one.
The final statement in this demonstration is a clear way to gain 
understanding of the process while reducing potential duplicate meetings.

Elwin GuildFuture Development International(deep in snow in Portland 
Connecticut)
  From: Lisa Heft - via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
 To: OSLIST oslist@lists.openspacetech.org 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 11:45 AM
 Subject: Re: [OSList] Anticipating number of topics/sessions...
   
I am enjoying your responses, all, and it also does touch upon what I first 
thought when I myself was about to respond.

Everything in a human systems dynamic (facilitation, dialogue) touches upon and 
informs everything else

So what came to mind for me - in addition to how many chairs or breakout spaces 
I design into a big meeting room for Open Space…

- depends on how you yourself explain the principles and such - do you invite 
the individual thinker or do other illustration of those principles
- depends on how you invite the topics (or whatever language you may use) - do 
you say ‘even a question you do not know the answer to’ or another way of 
saying everything is welcome
- depends on the design of the timing - are you giving enough time in the 
agenda co-creation time for both quick responders and also for reflective 
thinkers
- depends on how many or how short the discussion session times may be
- depends on how much furniture is available or what kinds of chairs they are - 
chairs with little desks attached or ‘wide-body’ chairs or ?
- depends whether the room is square or long and skinny
- depends on the sound quality in the room
…in addition to the important elements my colleagues are naming here…
- depends on so many things, all ideally taken into consideration in advance of 
the event.

By the way, I say the same - topics may seem the same but may be totally 
different in two individuals’ heads; if it’s so important it came up through 
different people it may benefit from two different conversations with different 
mixes of people at different times in the day; only the convenors may make that 
decision; and: for some groups when appropriate / when I sense it (as sometimes 
with academicians) - think of how our Western / Northern (hemisphere) culture / 
education has us always move towards synthesis, majority-think. Think what rich 
diverse ideas something might yield when we do not automatically move to 
synthesis / combination but instead honor and make room for the differences. 
What then might we discover?

Lisa



On Jan 27, 2015, at 8:27 AM, Chris Corrigan via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

 I also point out that combining topics might seem like a good idea but for 
 complex problems there is actually a benefit to having two different 
 conversations. There is no such thing as redundancy and different 
 conversations with different people gives you the obliquity to address 
 intractable issues. 
 
 Chris 
 
 
 
 
 On Jan 27, 2015, at 2:54 AM, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList 
 oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:
 
 Dear Susan,
 
 yes, thats my feeling too, 15 to 20 breakout spaces for 30 to 40 issues.
 
 Jeffs response on combining or abandoning topics got me to reflect on the 
 word topic. From work wayback with structured brainstorming I remember a 
 group of 25 generating between 30 to 50 topics.
 
 With os crowds and my use of the word issue (with talking a bit about what 
 is meant with issue in contrast to topic or idea or something I am 
 interested in, mentioning passion, urgency etc.) I find that there was 
 decreasing tendency of combining or abolishing. Actually, when someone 
 suggested to combine issues I would suggest in a very low-key way that this 
 was not illegal and add something like: What might look and sound very 
 similar often turns out to be different in an important way.
 
 As a participant I have become    quite uncomfortable, irritated or even 
 foaming when I had a facilitator go to the Bulleting Board and cluster 
 stuff... turning into a space invador. My reaction, I suppose, got me to be 
 cautious with combining.
 
 How is your take on the impact of the words we use?
 
 
 Cheers and good luck with a very short event!
 
 mmp
 
 On 

Re: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?

[Elwin and Joan via OSList]

too many to count

  From: Daniel Mezick via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
 To: World wide Open Space Technology email list 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org 
 Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 11:34 AM
 Subject: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
   
 Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.
 
 ...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of experience being 
reported! 
 
 So interesting ... so much depth.  Seems like something to ... explore
 
 So: if you want, you are cordially invited to play ... let's call it the OST-7 
Game:
 
 
 
 The OST-7 Game
 
 
 The Goal:
 Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually Facilitated 7 or 
more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way: what is the depth of 
practical OST facilitation experience across the entire membership?
 
 The Rules:
 If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying with hey 
... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might like to say, for 
example: where you are located, last time you did one, your hair color, etc
 
 Tracking Progress:
 Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of countries, # of OST 
events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair, or absolutely any 
other measures you like
 
 Play:
 100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and prefer to 
just watch the game, that's OK too. 
 
 
 
 
 
 Notes:

   - For this game, OST means something like this: 
http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm   
 
   - This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've Facilitated at 
least 7 of these events in your lifetime.   
 
   - Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the thread stays 
together, under the same subject
 
 Steps to Play:

   - Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
   - Reply with hey or with absolutely anything else you might like to say   
 
 
 You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...


 
 Daniel
 
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Re: [OSList] “regular lurker” + our OSTLIST web platform

[Elwin and Joan via OSList]

Michael, 

You sir are truly a give of God. 

We all are in your debt.
Elwin Guild

  From: Michael Herman via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
 To: Patricia Haines levelgreen2...@gmail.com; World wide Open Space 
Technology email list oslist@lists.openspacetech.org 
 Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 1:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [OSList] “regular lurker” + our OSTLIST web platform
   
I think it was about 1998 when murkier, who started the list at boise state 
univ, suggested moving the list to a fancy up-and-coming platform called 
egroups. It was a threaded discussion email site. In my memory, must be the 
biggest and most energized conversation we ever had on this list. In the end, 
it was rejected. And where is egroups today?
At openspaceworld.org, since 1999, we have had discussion forums, wiki, 
wordpress group blog, but the I think the best thing we did was that I wrote 
some about OST stuff and artur de silva suggested that it ought to be in 
languages other than English. He volunteered to do Spanish andPortuguese, 
others did their languages too. The tasks were simple and defined and got done 
whenever anyone came forward and offered something. Now we have links to intro 
material in 17 languages I think. All completely unplanned, but supported by 
just keeping the site online. 
In the meantime, there is a Wikipedia page, a Facebook group, a Ning community, 
the os hotline, and any number of regional lists and groups and meet ups of 
various shapes and frequencies. 
it's easy to design and build a site or platform, but yet another thing to keep 
it going and up to date. And I don't think we can build anything and expect it 
to both replace an established community center and also grow past it, 
succeeding where every past effort has not. 
At the same time, none of those prior offerings really set out to replace 
anything, I think. They all just offered something else. And that is an 
approach that seems very open spacey to me, to just do something, try 
something, offer something and see what happens. It might displace everything 
or nothing, but that won't matter. It's the offering, I think, that keep us 
going. 
I'm glad to offer sub domain space at openspaceworld.org for anything that 
wants building and trying. Done this with many language wikis over the years. 
I'm also getting ready to cleanup at openspaceworld.org, so anyone who wants to 
help think and do about that is welcome. It's the one big site/platform we have 
that's completely unconstrained by the structures imposed by service companies 
like Facebook. So we can do anything we want there to tie all the other things 
together, as long as we also find a way to maintain past contributions. 
I always keep looking for ways for openspaceworld.org to virtually disappear, 
into just a set of links, something michael pannwitz suggested to me when the 
site was still just six months old, and in that way to suggest and demonstrate 
that os is much bigger than any of these platforms. 
Michael




On Saturday, December 13, 2014, Patricia Haines via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

Please don't replace this listserv with something complicated!

Level Green Institute: fostering just  sustainable community through education 
and the arts
On Dec 13, 2014, at 5:35 AM, Arturo Uscategui-Colaboremos via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:



Dear All,And what ifwe set a team to design, develop, deliver and maintain our 
new wonderful OSTLIST web platform,which will be up to the requirements to 
replace this OSLIST?This teamcould work on an Agile way. I’ll behappy to 
contribute. I don’t know exactly how, but I’ll be there to do it togetherwith 
those who wish to do it also. ;)ORGANIZATIONAL DEVELOPMENT FROM WITHIN
www.colaboremos.com Arturo Uscátegui Restrepo
Transition Facilitator Specialized in Organizational Development. 
Helping organizations to collaborate and find their own solutions from 
within+33 (0)6 52 14 29 09Skype: auscateguirTwitter: @icolaboremosLinked in : 
fr.linkedin.com/in/arturouscategui/


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Re: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?

[Elwin and Joan via OSList]

too many to count

  From: Daniel Mezick via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
 To: World wide Open Space Technology email list 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org 
 Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 11:34 AM
 Subject: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
   
 Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.
 
 ...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of experience being 
reported! 
 
 So interesting ... so much depth.  Seems like something to ... explore
 
 So: if you want, you are cordially invited to play ... let's call it the OST-7 
Game:
 
 
 
 The OST-7 Game
 
 
 The Goal:
 Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually Facilitated 7 or 
more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way: what is the depth of 
practical OST facilitation experience across the entire membership?
 
 The Rules:
 If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying with hey 
... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might like to say, for 
example: where you are located, last time you did one, your hair color, etc
 
 Tracking Progress:
 Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of countries, # of OST 
events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair, or absolutely any 
other measures you like
 
 Play:
 100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and prefer to 
just watch the game, that's OK too. 
 
 
 
 
 
 Notes:

   - For this game, OST means something like this: 
http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm   
 
   - This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've Facilitated at 
least 7 of these events in your lifetime.   
 
   - Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the thread stays 
together, under the same subject
 
 Steps to Play:

   - Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
   - Reply with hey or with absolutely anything else you might like to say   
 
 
 You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...


 
 Daniel
 
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Technology Solutions Inc. (203) 915 7248 (cell) Bio. Blog. Twitter.  Examine my 
new book:  The Culture Game : Tools for the Agile Manager. Explore Agile Team 
Training and Coaching. Explore the Agile Boston Community.  
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Re: [OSList] “regular lurker” + our OSTLIST web platform

[Elwin and Joan via OSList]

Michael, 

You sir are truly a give of God. 

We all are in your debt.
Elwin Guild

  From: Michael Herman via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
 To: Patricia Haines levelgreen2...@gmail.com; World wide Open Space 
Technology email list oslist@lists.openspacetech.org 
 Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 1:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [OSList] “regular lurker” + our OSTLIST web platform
   
I think it was about 1998 when murkier, who started the list at boise state 
univ, suggested moving the list to a fancy up-and-coming platform called 
egroups. It was a threaded discussion email site. In my memory, must be the 
biggest and most energized conversation we ever had on this list. In the end, 
it was rejected. And where is egroups today?
At openspaceworld.org, since 1999, we have had discussion forums, wiki, 
wordpress group blog, but the I think the best thing we did was that I wrote 
some about OST stuff and artur de silva suggested that it ought to be in 
languages other than English. He volunteered to do Spanish andPortuguese, 
others did their languages too. The tasks were simple and defined and got done 
whenever anyone came forward and offered something. Now we have links to intro 
material in 17 languages I think. All completely unplanned, but supported by 
just keeping the site online. 
In the meantime, there is a Wikipedia page, a Facebook group, a Ning community, 
the os hotline, and any number of regional lists and groups and meet ups of 
various shapes and frequencies. 
it's easy to design and build a site or platform, but yet another thing to keep 
it going and up to date. And I don't think we can build anything and expect it 
to both replace an established community center and also grow past it, 
succeeding where every past effort has not. 
At the same time, none of those prior offerings really set out to replace 
anything, I think. They all just offered something else. And that is an 
approach that seems very open spacey to me, to just do something, try 
something, offer something and see what happens. It might displace everything 
or nothing, but that won't matter. It's the offering, I think, that keep us 
going. 
I'm glad to offer sub domain space at openspaceworld.org for anything that 
wants building and trying. Done this with many language wikis over the years. 
I'm also getting ready to cleanup at openspaceworld.org, so anyone who wants to 
help think and do about that is welcome. It's the one big site/platform we have 
that's completely unconstrained by the structures imposed by service companies 
like Facebook. So we can do anything we want there to tie all the other things 
together, as long as we also find a way to maintain past contributions. 
I always keep looking for ways for openspaceworld.org to virtually disappear, 
into just a set of links, something michael pannwitz suggested to me when the 
site was still just six months old, and in that way to suggest and demonstrate 
that os is much bigger than any of these platforms. 
Michael




On Saturday, December 13, 2014, Patricia Haines via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

Please don't replace this listserv with something complicated!

Level Green Institute: fostering just  sustainable community through education 
and the arts
On Dec 13, 2014, at 5:35 AM, Arturo Uscategui-Colaboremos via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:



Dear All,And what ifwe set a team to design, develop, deliver and maintain our 
new wonderful OSTLIST web platform,which will be up to the requirements to 
replace this OSLIST?This teamcould work on an Agile way. I’ll behappy to 
contribute. I don’t know exactly how, but I’ll be there to do it togetherwith 
those who wish to do it also. ;)ORGANIZATIONAL DEVELOPMENT FROM WITHIN
www.colaboremos.com Arturo Uscátegui Restrepo
Transition Facilitator Specialized in Organizational Development. 
Helping organizations to collaborate and find their own solutions from 
within+33 (0)6 52 14 29 09Skype: auscateguirTwitter: @icolaboremosLinked in : 
fr.linkedin.com/in/arturouscategui/


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http://MichaelHerman.com
http://OpenSpaceWorld.org



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Re: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?

[Elwin and Joan via OSList]

too many to count

  From: Daniel Mezick via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
 To: World wide Open Space Technology email list 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org 
 Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 11:34 AM
 Subject: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?
   
 Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.
 
 ...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of experience being 
reported! 
 
 So interesting ... so much depth.  Seems like something to ... explore
 
 So: if you want, you are cordially invited to play ... let's call it the OST-7 
Game:
 
 
 
 The OST-7 Game
 
 
 The Goal:
 Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually Facilitated 7 or 
more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way: what is the depth of 
practical OST facilitation experience across the entire membership?
 
 The Rules:
 If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying with hey 
... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might like to say, for 
example: where you are located, last time you did one, your hair color, etc
 
 Tracking Progress:
 Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of countries, # of OST 
events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair, or absolutely any 
other measures you like
 
 Play:
 100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and prefer to 
just watch the game, that's OK too. 
 
 
 
 
 
 Notes:

   - For this game, OST means something like this: 
http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm   
 
   - This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've Facilitated at 
least 7 of these events in your lifetime.   
 
   - Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the thread stays 
together, under the same subject
 
 Steps to Play:

   - Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
   - Reply with hey or with absolutely anything else you might like to say   
 
 
 You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...


 
 Daniel
 
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Technology Solutions Inc. (203) 915 7248 (cell) Bio. Blog. Twitter.  Examine my 
new book:  The Culture Game : Tools for the Agile Manager. Explore Agile Team 
Training and Coaching. Explore the Agile Boston Community.  
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Re: [OSList] “regular lurker” + our OSTLIST web platform

[Elwin and Joan via OSList]

Michael, 

You sir are truly a give of God. 

We all are in your debt.
Elwin Guild

  From: Michael Herman via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
 To: Patricia Haines levelgreen2...@gmail.com; World wide Open Space 
Technology email list oslist@lists.openspacetech.org 
 Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 1:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [OSList] “regular lurker” + our OSTLIST web platform
   
I think it was about 1998 when murkier, who started the list at boise state 
univ, suggested moving the list to a fancy up-and-coming platform called 
egroups. It was a threaded discussion email site. In my memory, must be the 
biggest and most energized conversation we ever had on this list. In the end, 
it was rejected. And where is egroups today?
At openspaceworld.org, since 1999, we have had discussion forums, wiki, 
wordpress group blog, but the I think the best thing we did was that I wrote 
some about OST stuff and artur de silva suggested that it ought to be in 
languages other than English. He volunteered to do Spanish andPortuguese, 
others did their languages too. The tasks were simple and defined and got done 
whenever anyone came forward and offered something. Now we have links to intro 
material in 17 languages I think. All completely unplanned, but supported by 
just keeping the site online. 
In the meantime, there is a Wikipedia page, a Facebook group, a Ning community, 
the os hotline, and any number of regional lists and groups and meet ups of 
various shapes and frequencies. 
it's easy to design and build a site or platform, but yet another thing to keep 
it going and up to date. And I don't think we can build anything and expect it 
to both replace an established community center and also grow past it, 
succeeding where every past effort has not. 
At the same time, none of those prior offerings really set out to replace 
anything, I think. They all just offered something else. And that is an 
approach that seems very open spacey to me, to just do something, try 
something, offer something and see what happens. It might displace everything 
or nothing, but that won't matter. It's the offering, I think, that keep us 
going. 
I'm glad to offer sub domain space at openspaceworld.org for anything that 
wants building and trying. Done this with many language wikis over the years. 
I'm also getting ready to cleanup at openspaceworld.org, so anyone who wants to 
help think and do about that is welcome. It's the one big site/platform we have 
that's completely unconstrained by the structures imposed by service companies 
like Facebook. So we can do anything we want there to tie all the other things 
together, as long as we also find a way to maintain past contributions. 
I always keep looking for ways for openspaceworld.org to virtually disappear, 
into just a set of links, something michael pannwitz suggested to me when the 
site was still just six months old, and in that way to suggest and demonstrate 
that os is much bigger than any of these platforms. 
Michael




On Saturday, December 13, 2014, Patricia Haines via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:

Please don't replace this listserv with something complicated!

Level Green Institute: fostering just  sustainable community through education 
and the arts
On Dec 13, 2014, at 5:35 AM, Arturo Uscategui-Colaboremos via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:



Dear All,And what ifwe set a team to design, develop, deliver and maintain our 
new wonderful OSTLIST web platform,which will be up to the requirements to 
replace this OSLIST?This teamcould work on an Agile way. I’ll behappy to 
contribute. I don’t know exactly how, but I’ll be there to do it togetherwith 
those who wish to do it also. ;)ORGANIZATIONAL DEVELOPMENT FROM WITHIN
www.colaboremos.com Arturo Uscátegui Restrepo
Transition Facilitator Specialized in Organizational Development. 
Helping organizations to collaborate and find their own solutions from 
within+33 (0)6 52 14 29 09Skype: auscateguirTwitter: @icolaboremosLinked in : 
fr.linkedin.com/in/arturouscategui/


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http://MichaelHerman.com
http://OpenSpaceWorld.org



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Re: [OSList] The next Poet Laureate of Open Space is.....

[Elwin and Joan via OSList]

Lisa,Your very being is poetry!
Elwin
  From: Lisa Heft - via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
 To: Jonathan Coe coe...@hotmail.com; OSLIST oslist@lists.openspacetech.org 
 Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2014 7:40 PM
 Subject: Re: [OSList] The next Poet Laureate of Open Space is.
   
A warm thank you for this honor, fellow Poet Laureate Jonathan - as I try to 
balance this particular crown on my head along with my Access Queen tiara.
I learned about found poetry from our late great fellow OSLISTer, dear friend, 
and past Poet Laureate, Ms. Laurel Doersam.I love showing your collective 
wisdom back to you, my OS friends.
A deep bow to you, Ms. Laurel.
Stay tuned for more found poetry over time during my season of Poet 
Laureate-ness.
And dear readers, I begin my season of Poet Laureate-ness with the following 
poem by…
The late, great Kerry Napuk
Here is a poem Kerry contributed to a past OSLIST poetry contest:

___

space,

opening

unfolding

wondrous

 - Kerry Napuk, May 24, 2013

__
On Nov 1, 2014, at 1:41 AM, Jonathan Coe via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:


After some procrastination

Lisa Heft!

I am told there have been a few Poets Laureate of Open Space who have been 
selected more than once, and this time there was only one poet entering - so 
having no voting process was what happened this time.

Lisa put in two lovely poems and I am happy to pass over to her, and look 
forward to her holding of this space.


Jonathan

 




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Re: [OSList] The next Poet Laureate of Open Space is.....

[Elwin and Joan via OSList]

Lisa,Your very being is poetry!
Elwin
  From: Lisa Heft - via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
 To: Jonathan Coe coe...@hotmail.com; OSLIST oslist@lists.openspacetech.org 
 Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2014 7:40 PM
 Subject: Re: [OSList] The next Poet Laureate of Open Space is.
   
A warm thank you for this honor, fellow Poet Laureate Jonathan - as I try to 
balance this particular crown on my head along with my Access Queen tiara.
I learned about found poetry from our late great fellow OSLISTer, dear friend, 
and past Poet Laureate, Ms. Laurel Doersam.I love showing your collective 
wisdom back to you, my OS friends.
A deep bow to you, Ms. Laurel.
Stay tuned for more found poetry over time during my season of Poet 
Laureate-ness.
And dear readers, I begin my season of Poet Laureate-ness with the following 
poem by…
The late, great Kerry Napuk
Here is a poem Kerry contributed to a past OSLIST poetry contest:

___

space,

opening

unfolding

wondrous

 - Kerry Napuk, May 24, 2013

__
On Nov 1, 2014, at 1:41 AM, Jonathan Coe via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:


After some procrastination

Lisa Heft!

I am told there have been a few Poets Laureate of Open Space who have been 
selected more than once, and this time there was only one poet entering - so 
having no voting process was what happened this time.

Lisa put in two lovely poems and I am happy to pass over to her, and look 
forward to her holding of this space.


Jonathan

 




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Re: [OSList] The next Poet Laureate of Open Space is.....

[Elwin and Joan via OSList]

Lisa,Your very being is poetry!
Elwin
  From: Lisa Heft - via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
 To: Jonathan Coe coe...@hotmail.com; OSLIST oslist@lists.openspacetech.org 
 Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2014 7:40 PM
 Subject: Re: [OSList] The next Poet Laureate of Open Space is.
   
A warm thank you for this honor, fellow Poet Laureate Jonathan - as I try to 
balance this particular crown on my head along with my Access Queen tiara.
I learned about found poetry from our late great fellow OSLISTer, dear friend, 
and past Poet Laureate, Ms. Laurel Doersam.I love showing your collective 
wisdom back to you, my OS friends.
A deep bow to you, Ms. Laurel.
Stay tuned for more found poetry over time during my season of Poet 
Laureate-ness.
And dear readers, I begin my season of Poet Laureate-ness with the following 
poem by…
The late, great Kerry Napuk
Here is a poem Kerry contributed to a past OSLIST poetry contest:

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space,

opening

unfolding

wondrous

 - Kerry Napuk, May 24, 2013

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On Nov 1, 2014, at 1:41 AM, Jonathan Coe via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:


After some procrastination

Lisa Heft!

I am told there have been a few Poets Laureate of Open Space who have been 
selected more than once, and this time there was only one poet entering - so 
having no voting process was what happened this time.

Lisa put in two lovely poems and I am happy to pass over to her, and look 
forward to her holding of this space.


Jonathan

 




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