Re: [OSList] Asynchronous voting

[Koos de Heer via OSList]

Hi Thomas!

 

Great question. As Michael en Michael have asked: what is the reason you think 
the voting has added value?  In my experience, voting was merely a distraction, 
sometimes even a big energy leak, so I stopped using it. I always make a big 
effort to get the reports in the hands of the participants as quickly as 
possible, so they have time to go through them if they want. And the next time 
we are meeting again (usually the next morning, sometimes later) we go straight 
into action planning. New blank agenda, but this time the theme is action 
planning.

 

But maybe there is a special reason you want to do the voting. Could you 
explain?

Warmest greetings from a nice and sunny spring day here in Amersfoort,

 

Koos

 

Van: OSList  Namens Michael Herman via 
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Verzonden: maandag 9 mei 2022 19:55
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CC: Michael Herman ; Michael M Pannwitz 

Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] Asynchronous voting

 

Hi Thomas, 

 

My first sense is that a week of voting is obviously technically possible, but 
it didn't feel useful.  Took me a minute to put my finger on it in a specific 
way.  The purpose of voting is converging again, after diverging in 
discussions.  There are various stories to be told about what might happen in a 
week of voting, what it might feel like, what people might do or not do, or 
experience... but in the end, for me, it comes down to converging.  All at once 
seems to do that best.  

 

I wouldn't offer this decision as a discussion during the program.  I think 
it's part of the container you/we are asked to provide.  Could there be value 
in such a discussion, sure.  Could also be a big distraction and no obvious way 
to settle the question, undermining everything else, needlessly.  And in the 
end, it just doesn't take that long to do it together, all at once.  

 

As Michael suggests, with a group that size it's often possible to go straight 
into what we've previously called "re-opening for action."  It might be worth 
making a space to collect ideas for action in advance of the action meeting -- 
ONLY -- if there is an existing place to post them THAT wants to be established 
or strengthened as the place people will be able to continue posting new ideas 
for discussion and action, in the course of their ongoing work together AND 
if people will be paying attention to that space and be likely to be having 
conversations about it in that interim period.  Absent those learning 
opportunities, there's not value in running a quiet, dark suggestion box sort 
of idea gathering place with little sense of responsibility tied to the ideas 
that might come forth.  Better to have people show up, call out their action 
interests, in person, fully responsible and ready to do their thing.

 

One important thing, maybe the most important thing re: action planning, is 
what you're already doing... putting the document back to them with the 
shortest possible delay, one day, as you say.  This models what you want them 
to do, to ACT, and gives them maximum time to read and discuss amongst 
themselves, in whatever channels and tools and ways that they already have and 
know well, so that they come to the next session READY to do the next thing, 
together.   

 

I guess that's my final criteria for your voting decision... which way is most 
likely to make the most people feel like they really are doing something new 
and important TOGETHER?

 

m 

 

  


 
--

Michael Herman
Michael Herman Associates

312-280-7838 (mobile)

 

MichaelHerman.com  
OpenSpaceWorld.org  

 

 

 

On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 4:08 AM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList 
mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > wrote:

Dear Thomas,

usually, the folks at the action planning part of an os event will post 
their projects at the beginning of the action planning part of the open 
space event.
They are the champions for acting on the projects that have heart and 
meaning for them.

Against that background, what is the purpose of the "voting process" 
before the action planning?

Who needs the information on "what people feel most engaged to continue 
working on"?

My experience with action planning after an os event (one week and two 
weeks later) is that the focusing on action projects appears to be more 
grounded AND that folks that were not at the os event itself appear at 
the action planning part... my assumption has been, that folks talk to 
others that did not attend the os event and sometimes "recruit" those 
that need to be part of the projects, that they champion.

At several occasions folks that had been at the os event and then also 
took part in action planning told me that the extra person they 
"recruited" for the action planning had been very skeptical about the 
ost event and had felt no need to be part of it.

Have a great day in Kungsbacka on your Stiefmütterchen Weg
mmp

Am 08.05.2022 um 20:44 schrieb 

Re: [OSList] Invitation to Open Space Hotline for Tuesday, April 19th at Noon EDT

[Koos de Heer via OSList]

Hi Charles,

 

Thanks! The time zone converter is nice, but when I clicked on it, it came up 
with a date in March (despite the url you gave, which contains the correct 
date). In March, Europe does not have DST yet (it starts the last Sunday of 
March) so the time came out wrong. When I corrected the date to April, the time 
was right.

 

So, folks using the time zone converter have to pay attention to the date to 
make sure DST is calculated correctly.

 

Koos

 

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Onderwerp: [OSList] Invitation to Open Space Hotline for Tuesday, April 19th at 
Noon EDT

 

Hi all!

 

Here’s your invitation to the Open Space Hotline convening on Tuesday,  April 
19th, at  12:00pm EDT

 

Rolf suggested that I add a time zone converter so you can figure out what time 
noon EDT is in your time zone.

 

Here is one!

 

https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html?iso=20220419T16 

 =179

 

Are you involved in opening space? Are you interested in Open Space Technology?

 

It's not quite an Open Space event, but it is a space open to receive whatever 
is alive for you right now.

 

The invitation is to share, listen, inquire, and be open to be surprised.

 

Join the emergent conversation...

 

from PC, Mac, iOS or Android: 
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/751609912?pwd=QmZCYUNrYTU4Y2ZrWHVFTzVTcTMvUT09  

 

 

 

 

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Re: [OSList] A Preface

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Thank you dear Harrison, 

 

What a great read. So much depth and wisdom in just a few paragraphs. Made me 
happy to read it, like coming home. When I got to the bit where you write about 
the silence and about coming home, I realized that was exactly what was 
happening to me in that very moment. And it is what has happened to me every 
time I opened space for others or was taking part in an open space gathering. 
True magic.

 

Much love

 

Koos

 

Van: OSList  Namens Harrison Owen SR 
via OSList
Verzonden: dinsdag 15 maart 2022 21:37
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; Thiss_Tom ; Wendy Morris 
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Onderwerp: [OSList] A Preface

 




Audrey Hepburn, a Young Chinese lady (that really is her name!)  tells me that 
she is going to publish some of my books in Chinese and, would I write a 
preface? I said I would try, but always following my fundamental dictum (Never 
work harder than you have to) I suggested doing one for all. It is a preface 
and you could stick it anywhere... maybe. Easy said -- but I never quite 
figured how hard it might be to summarize 60 years of thinking into a page and 
a bit. I have no idea if I have succeeded, But you might -- and if not let me 
know, and I"ll try to do better.

 

Harrison

-- 

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Potomac, MD 20854 USA

301-365-2093

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Re: [OSList] Who is BS-ing Whom?

[Koos de Heer via OSList]

 Mark or his motives. 

I do think this is a topic worthy of serious and considered conversation. 

 

The best example I have seen so far, 

of someone who is in favor of vaccines, attempting to understand the viewpoint 
of those who are hesitant or skeptical,

is Norman Doidge's four-part series called "Needlepoints".


https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/science/articles/needle-points-vaccinations-chapter-one

 

I don't know the author, but I sure wish I did... 

apparently he's written a number of NYT best-sellers on neuroplasticity. 

Very erudite person, and lovely writer. 

 

And very thoughtful -- and thought-provoking -- perspectives.

 

all best wishes,

 

Rosaa

 

 

 

Rosa Zubizarreta 

 <http://diapraxis.com> DiaPraxis: Awakening the Spirit of Creative 
Collaboration
coaching in participatory leadership 
advanced group facilitation services & learning opportunities

 

 

 

 

 

On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 2:15 PM Koos de Heer via OSList 
mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > wrote:

Dear Mark,

 

The one and only burning question I have is: why???

 

Why do you post a quote like that, saying that it is not your words but posting 
it nonetheless? And when someone objects, you repeat the quote about society 
and truth, implying that you do indeed support the text you posted. And then 
you write that you agree with John that this kind of disinformation does not 
belong here. If you agree with that, why do you post it in the first place?

 

Is it just to play with us? To see who takes the bait and makes a fool of 
himself? If it is, PLEASE  go play somewhere else.

 

If this means I just made a fool of myself – so be it. It feels like bullying 
and I am sick of it. I want this to be a safe place.

 

Koos

 

Van: OSList mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org> > Namens Mark Carmel via OSList
Verzonden: donderdag 20 januari 2022 23:57
Aan: John Watkins mailto:johnw...@mac.com> >
CC: Mark Carmel mailto:markacar...@gmail.com> >; World 
wide Open Space Technology email list mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> >
Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] Who is BS-ing Whom?

 

I agree with you John...

 

On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 3:38 PM John Watkins mailto:johnw...@mac.com> > wrote:

I’m sorry but I do not think this kind of massive disinformation and political 
agenda belongs on this list. 

Sent from John's iPhone

 

On Jan 20, 2022, at 2:35 PM, Mark Carmel via OSList 
mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > wrote:



These are not my thoughts or my words.  I Do not know the author.  But here is 
food for thought, or better put... here is a shot for a thought... that I 
wanted to share with YOU, the World's greatest peacemakers:

Quote from author unknown:   ...Among all the vaccines I have known in my life 
(diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, measles, rubella, chickenpox, hepatitis, 
meningitis and tuberculosis), I want to also add flu and pneumonia. I have 
never seen a vaccine that forced me to wear a mask and maintain my social 
distance, even when you are fully vaccinated. I had never heard of a vaccine 
that spreads the virus even after vaccination. I had never heard of rewards, 
discounts, incentives to get vaccinated. I never saw discrimination for those 
who didn't. If you haven't been vaccinated no one has tried to make you feel 
like a bad person. I have never seen a vaccine that threatens the relationship 
between family, colleagues and friends. I have never seen a vaccine used to 
threaten livelihoods, work or school. I have never seen a vaccine that would 
allow a 12-year-old to override parental consent. After all the vaccines I 
listed above, I have never seen a vaccine like this one, which discriminates, 
divides and judges society as it is. And as the social fabric tightens… It's a 
powerful vaccine! She does all these things except IMMUNIZATION. If we still 
need a booster dose after we are fully vaccinated, and we still need to get a 
negative test after we are fully vaccinated, and we still need to wear a mask 
after we are fully vaccinated, and still be hospitalized after we have been 
fully vaccinated, it will likely come to ...It's time for us to admit that 
we've been completely deceived...   I have decided to never refer to this 
conglomerate of chemicals as a ...vaccine.. again if at all possible.   It is 
not a legitimate vaccine, it is a manufactured composition of unknown 
substances pretending to be something it IS NOT.  So, for me, I will only refer 
to it as an INJECTION, which is being forced upon us to subject us to TOTAL 
AUTHORITATIVE CONTROL of every aspect of our lives until every human being on 
this planet has been made a subject of the ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT, ONE WORLD 
ECONOMY, ONE WORLD RELIGION just as has been foretold by many Prophecies in 
SCRIPTURE for untold years.  This so-called virus was instituted by design by 
those whose agendum is TOTAL population CONTROL...  -  B.S.

...The furt

Re: [OSList] Who is BS-ing Whom?

[Koos de Heer via OSList]

Dear Mark,

 

The one and only burning question I have is: why???

 

Why do you post a quote like that, saying that it is not your words but posting 
it nonetheless? And when someone objects, you repeat the quote about society 
and truth, implying that you do indeed support the text you posted. And then 
you write that you agree with John that this kind of disinformation does not 
belong here. If you agree with that, why do you post it in the first place?

 

Is it just to play with us? To see who takes the bait and makes a fool of 
himself? If it is, PLEASE  go play somewhere else.

 

If this means I just made a fool of myself – so be it. It feels like bullying 
and I am sick of it. I want this to be a safe place.

 

Koos

 

Van: OSList  Namens Mark Carmel via 
OSList
Verzonden: donderdag 20 januari 2022 23:57
Aan: John Watkins 
CC: Mark Carmel ; World wide Open Space Technology email 
list 
Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] Who is BS-ing Whom?

 

I agree with you John...

 

On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 3:38 PM John Watkins mailto:johnw...@mac.com> > wrote:

I’m sorry but I do not think this kind of massive disinformation and political 
agenda belongs on this list. 

Sent from John's iPhone





On Jan 20, 2022, at 2:35 PM, Mark Carmel via OSList 
mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > wrote:



These are not my thoughts or my words.  I Do not know the author.  But here is 
food for thought, or better put... here is a shot for a thought... that I 
wanted to share with YOU, the World's greatest peacemakers:

Quote from author unknown:   ...Among all the vaccines I have known in my life 
(diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, measles, rubella, chickenpox, hepatitis, 
meningitis and tuberculosis), I want to also add flu and pneumonia. I have 
never seen a vaccine that forced me to wear a mask and maintain my social 
distance, even when you are fully vaccinated. I had never heard of a vaccine 
that spreads the virus even after vaccination. I had never heard of rewards, 
discounts, incentives to get vaccinated. I never saw discrimination for those 
who didn't. If you haven't been vaccinated no one has tried to make you feel 
like a bad person. I have never seen a vaccine that threatens the relationship 
between family, colleagues and friends. I have never seen a vaccine used to 
threaten livelihoods, work or school. I have never seen a vaccine that would 
allow a 12-year-old to override parental consent. After all the vaccines I 
listed above, I have never seen a vaccine like this one, which discriminates, 
divides and judges society as it is. And as the social fabric tightens… It's a 
powerful vaccine! She does all these things except IMMUNIZATION. If we still 
need a booster dose after we are fully vaccinated, and we still need to get a 
negative test after we are fully vaccinated, and we still need to wear a mask 
after we are fully vaccinated, and still be hospitalized after we have been 
fully vaccinated, it will likely come to ...It's time for us to admit that 
we've been completely deceived...   I have decided to never refer to this 
conglomerate of chemicals as a ...vaccine.. again if at all possible.   It is 
not a legitimate vaccine, it is a manufactured composition of unknown 
substances pretending to be something it IS NOT.  So, for me, I will only refer 
to it as an INJECTION, which is being forced upon us to subject us to TOTAL 
AUTHORITATIVE CONTROL of every aspect of our lives until every human being on 
this planet has been made a subject of the ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT, ONE WORLD 
ECONOMY, ONE WORLD RELIGION just as has been foretold by many Prophecies in 
SCRIPTURE for untold years.  This so-called virus was instituted by design by 
those whose agendum is TOTAL population CONTROL...  -  B.S.

...The further a society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who 
speak it...--George Orwell

 

MC the MC

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Re: [OSList] Tree Fitzpatrick memorial celebration on March 21

[Koos de Heer via OSList]

Thank you Chris, this is really beautiful.

 

Van: OSList  Namens Chris Corrigan via 
OSList
Verzonden: maandag 8 maart 2021 20:21
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CC: Chris Corrigan 
Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] Tree Fitzpatrick memorial celebration on March 21

 

A story about how Tree schooled me on the needs of introverts, along with a 
long comment from her.  THis is why she meant so much to me. This post catches 
a powerful teaching moment for me and it changed my practice:

 

http://www.chriscorrigan.com/parkinglot/designing-with-introverts-in-mind/

 

Chris

 

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 11:15 PM Romy Shovelton via OSList 
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How absolutely precious…… Fly well Tree !!

 



 

Romy

 

 

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On 7 Mar 2021, at 10:33, Gail West via OSList mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > wrote:

 

I do, indeed, remember Tree at Whidbey Island.  Thanks for sharing this 
wonderful celebration.  Gail

 

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 3:06 AM Peggy Holman via OSList 
mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > wrote:

For those who have been practicing Open Space Technology for a while, you will 
likely remember the irascible voice of Tree Fitzpatrick. She left this earth on 
January 20th.

 

A small group of us have planned a memorial celebration for her. It is, of 
course, informed by Open Space. An invitation is below and on Facebook 
 . Please 
come and share the invitation with others you believe would want to know.

 

Of course, if you want to share a story on this list, I suspect many of us have 
learned from and even loved Tree.

 

Many thanks,

Peggy

 

 

  

 

Therese (Tree) Fitzpatrick

August 16, 1953 - January 20, 2021

 


Bio


Therese Marie Fitzpatrick (“Tree”)  was born in Mitchell, South Dakota (home of 
the Corn Palace), and raised on the south side of Chicago. Throughout her life, 
she lived in many places, including the Midwest, South America, Northeast, and 
Northwest before she landed in Berkeley, a place she’d always dreamed of 
living. She was a mother, a writer, an attorney, a political activist, a 
consultant, an art lover, a voracious reader, a daily swimmer, a sister, a 
daughter, and a friend. She was brilliant, determined, resourceful, loving, and 
creative. Despite a lifetime of challenges, she worked diligently to create and 
live the life she wanted. Join us as we remember her.





In memoriam…

 


Zoom Memorial - Sunday, March 21, 7 - 8:30pm ET /4-5:30 pm PT


 

Please join friends and family of Therese Marie Fitzpatrick (Tree) to honor and 
remember her fierce and loving spirit.

 

Register on Zoom  

 here.

 

Our purpose is to:

*Honor Tree

*Share/process our feelings

*Draw her family into the circle of love that Tree created among her 
friends

*Offer some sense of closure


We’ll be sharing stories at the celebration so please bring yours.


Additional Ways to Celebrate 


Share Favorites


Whether or not you come to the memorial, here are other ways to celebrate 
Tree’s life:


*Post on her  
 
Facebook Memorial event page

*Send music suggestions and pictures to Nancy White at 
nancy.wh...@gmail.com  . We’ll use them during 
the memorial service so share now! 


Make a Donation


Three suggestions from her daughter:

 

*  Walker Art Center
This is an incredible museum in Minneapolis that my mother took me to once a 
month as a child, and at which my mother was a volunteer and tour guide. 

*  Saint Francis Friends of the Poor.
This is an organization in NYC whose mission is as follows: "to offer permanent 
housing and supportive services to 

Re: [OSList] Where is Lisa? Here she is.

[Koos de Heer via OSList]

Dear Lisa,

 

Thank you so much for writing and sharing your situation and your insights. 
Great to hear from you. Sorry to hear about your health and the passing of the 
parents. 

 

I will also send you a private mail.

 

Much love and good wishes to both of you,

 

Koos

 

From: OSList  On Behalf Of Lisa Heft 
via OSList
Sent: vrijdag 12 juni 2020 22:44
To: World wide Open Space Technology email list 
Cc: Lisa Heft 
Subject: [OSList] Where is Lisa? Here she is.

 

Hello, OSLIST friends -

 

I have not written anything here since 2016 - although I am still sitting in 
the circle and listening in. 

Some of you are dear friends from across the years (note my new email, by the 
way). A few of you have mentioned that it might be nice if I wrote to the list 
about how I am doing. 

 

This message is long, because a) I have not visited in awhile, b) I am having a 
conversation with you here in my head over time, and c) in Open Space, even a 
group of 1 can have a rich conversation for an entire session or longer - and 
can then share their documentation of that exploration back to the rest of the 
group in their Book of Proceedings. Of course you have a choice to read it or 
delete it. 

 

Those of you who know me extra-well know that - since you have known me - I 
have while working as a facilitator and educator also been very involved in the 
care of elderly parents. What just a few of you know is that I have also been 
living with a health condition called ME/CFS 
 . That condition has progressed. 
I am fortunate that I am still able to care for myself, although here is one 
way to describe this particular invisible-to-others disability: I have to rest 
in-between putting on my right shoe and my left shoe. But I can still put on my 
shoes ;o)(and hey, who needs shoes in COVID quarantine??)  To understand 
the impact of this health issue (for people who have it much much worse than I 
do), perhaps your country offers access to a sobering yet beautiful documentary 
called Unrest  .  A few years ago I realized that 
true, radical wellness meant that I must release even those things I love (love 
love love facilitation and teaching about facilitation - love it). I did not 
feel sad releasing my client work - I felt lighter. I still grieve not being 
able to teach and facilitate, and in so many diverse settings, countries and 
cultures. But I knew immediately that it was the right thing to do. Last year 
my amazing father died, this year my amazing mother-in-law died, and after two 
decades of parental care, now my wife and I have more time and energy to care 
for our selves.  

 

Interestingly, I never thought of myself as disabled until recent years, 
because I simply lived my life. However, since my parents raised me in a 
richly-diverse world, I have always had a passion for seeing / imagining / 
designing with a priority of and focus on access and inclusion. So here I am in 
an embodied experience exploring things I always imagined might be someone 
else's experience. Fascinating.

 

I write this next part simply to share my background, with those of you who 
have not yet met me: I have facilitated for 40-something years. My interest 
area is dialogic methods that scale up (only one facilitator needed for a group 
of 5 or 3000+), that work across country and culture (without requiring 
participants to learn someone else’s vocabulary; without working through the 
facilitators’s own cultural filter), and in which participants frame their own 
experience (rather than the facilitator doing so). When I say 'dialogic', I 
mean those processes which engage participants in internal and external 
dialogue (conversation with self, conversation with others). And when I say 
conversation, I do not mean everyone has to speak aloud. Witnessing - fully 
listening - is participation just as much as speaking. I use existing and 
custom-designed processes which engage participants in silent reflection, 
kinesthetic and graphic thinking, improv, role play, poetry creation, movement, 
and (no surprise!) such methods as Open Space, World Cafe and Focused 
Conversation Method. Here is another   way of 
showing who I am (there are so very many different ways of seeing / naming / 
showing one's self).  

 

And now I write this part to share what I feel so proud of - and because 
writing this shows me back to myself, with you as witness to my "prouds". I 
have much more life to live, but this is also a point of my life where I am 
reflecting a bit. I am so proud of having been able to learn so much from and 
with so many of you. I am amazed (but not surprised) about how Open Space (I 
will call it OS) works. I have used it in over 20 countries, and within those 
countries with participants of many mixes of cultures and countries of origin. 
I have used it when only one person showed up, and with groups of 3500. I 

Re: [OSList] Our son on his way home from Nepal

[Koos de Heer via OSList]

That is great news Thomas, thank you for letting us know!

 

Much love to you and Mia

 

Koos

 

Van: OSList  Namens Thomas Herrmann
via OSList
Verzonden: woensdag 8 april 2020 09:01
Aan: 'GC list' ; 'OSLIST '

CC: Thomas Herrmann 
Onderwerp: [OSList] Our son on his way home from Nepal

 

Just want to let you know that our son Anton has a seat on a plane from
Kathmandu to München today and then he will travel onwards to Sweden by
train and boat. I reached out a few weeks ago on this list. I will send a
note when he is in our home, planned by Friday morning our time

My deepest appreciation for all who have supported us in different ways. We
are blessed being part of this international family and happy!

With love

Thomas and Mia

 

Thomas Herrmann

Open Space Consulting AB

Pensévägen 4, 434 46 Kungsbacka, Sweden

Telefon: +46 (0)709 98 97 81

Email: tho...@openspaceconsulting.com
 

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Medskapande är hör för att stanna – dags att vässa er förmåga? 

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Oct 25-27 Working with Whole Person Process Facilitation – Berlin, Germany
(also offered cont. Online)

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Re: [OSList] What's going on with the OST entry on Wikipedia lately?

[Koos de Heer via OSList]

Dear friends,

 

Why wait until WOSonOS? Editing Wikipedia pages is not difficult. I am a 
Wikipedia editor myself, it is not hard to learn.  Wikipedia is like Open 
Space. Anyone with a good mind and a good heart can do it.

 

I am willing to have a go at correcting the mistakes. Anyone of you who will be 
reading my improvements and who wants to suggest further edits, is welcome to 
email me and I will process it as soon as I have time.

 

This week is quite busy for me already, it may have to wait until the weekend 
before I get around to making the first edits. If you are OK with this plan, I 
will do it within a week and I will let you know when I have worked on it.

 

Wishing you all a great day

 

Koos de Heer

 

 

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Sounds like a great idea to me Bhavesh, as long as she/he understands the 
context, then whoever comes and what & where ever it happens…

Looking forward to meeting many of you!

 

Thomas Herrmann

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Pensévägen 4, 434 46 Kungsbacka, Sweden

Telefon: +46 (0)709 98 97 81

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Profile on LinkedIn:  
 
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Company page on Facebook:   
www.facebook.com/OpenSpaceConsulting 

 

Open Space Consulting frigör livskraft i människor, organisationer och samhälle.

We release lifepower in people, organizations and society.

 

Medskapande är hör för att stanna – dags att vässa er förmåga?

Co-creation is here to stay – time to sharpen your skills?

 

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March 25 5toFold Decision making (online). Genuine Contact Speciality workshops

April 2-3 Cross Cultural Conflict Resolution – Netherlands

June 7-11 Från vanespår till integration – den glömda kreativiteten. Öland, 
Sweden
  (From old habits to integration – the hidden creativity)

Sept 1-3 Working with Open Space Technology - Netherlands

Sept 4-5 Genuine Contact Mentoring circle, Amsterdam Netherlands

Oct 25-27 Working with Whole Person Process Facilitation – Berlin, Germany

 

Trainings/workshops 2021

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Från: OSList mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org> > För Bhavesh Patel via OSList
Skickat: den 19 februari 2020 10:52
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Kopia: Bhavesh Patel mailto:bhavm...@gmail.com> >; Michael 
M Pannwitz mailto:mmpannw...@gmail.com> >
Ämne: Re: [OSList] What's going on with the OST entry on Wikipedia lately?

 

And here is a random idea.

 

Berlin has the second biggest Wikipedia organisation in the world, over 100 
people.

 

One of the things that Wikipedians love to do is to run live 'learn how to edit 
the Wikipedia' sessions.

 

I am quite connected with the Berlin organisation, and Jo T has met them as 
well.

 

I could ask if:

*   Someone from the Berlin Wikipedia community wants to offer an editing 
session at the WOSonOS.
*   Whoever shows up for that session will both learn how to edit the 
Wikipedia and practice editing by working on the Open Space Technology page.

What do you think/feel?

 

 

 

 

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 at 11:38, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList 
mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > wrote:

Dear Steve,

first impression I had on reading the wikipedia entry was: Sabotage.

I checked the German version. Even though I am not happy with it (being 
a radical purist) its more or less ok. In the meantime, the actual 
practice is far more developed as well as the understanding what OST is 
really about (expand time and space for the force of selforganisation to 
unfold) is not reflected upon.

It seems to me the next WOSonOS in October in Berlin is an opportunity 
for all interested in this to post the wikipedia entry as an issue. 
Maybe even in different languages (I never would suggest translating the 
english version into another language), such as German, Swedish, 
Chinese, Hebrew, Dutch, Italian (I am suggesting these knowing that 
folks from countries where these languages are common will be at the 
WOSonOS).

In general, I love wikipedia and the way that stuff is characterized 
("This article contains 

Re: [OSList] Zoom Communications as an OST Tool? Motley Fool stock advisor is pushing Zoom as a collaborative video tool investment...FYI

[Koos de Heer via OSList]

I have used Zoom and as a tool it is OK. Not much better or worse or any more 
special than the other tools around. They are rather pushy and unpleasant  with 
their commercial activities, which is for me a reason to avoid them if I 
can.The mail you have forwarded confirms this.BestKoos
 Oorspronkelijk bericht Van: Mark Carmel via OSList 
 Datum: 18-01-2020  19:18  (GMT+01:00) Aan: 
World wide Open Space Technology email list  
Cc: Mark Carmel  Onderwerp: [OSList] Zoom Communications 
as an OST Tool? Motley Fool stock advisor is pushing Zoom as a collaborative 
video tool investment...FYI Hello Way Word Travelers...Has anyone used Zoom 
Communications for Open Space Technology?  When I received this hot investment 
tip from Motley Fool I thought of all you Disciples of THE Harrison Owen 
Discipline... all of you wonderful people who are the worlds leading  Peace 
Makers for Progress ... Now, WE are part of what Motley Fool is calling the 
WORKPLACE PRODUCTIVITY INDUSTRY right? Because this is supposed to be the 
hottest new video tool for remote conferencing... I wanted to share this with 
you for your information only...  I have not invested in Zoom, yet, not sure if 
I will...but I do hope someone has tried it and has some feedback...  Cheers to 
2020!!  And may God CONTINUE to bless Harrison Owen, his vision, his family and 
his Disciples...Here is the Motley Fool's take:Why we think you should buy 
shares in Zoom Video Communications todayWith teleworking and remote offices 
becoming more and more common, businesses need a video communication system 
they can rely on. Enter Zoom Communications.Founder and CEO Eric Yuan is 
passionate about making it easier for workers to collaborate effectively. He 
also owns billions’ worth of Zoom stock, tying his fortune to shareholder 
interests.Customer satisfaction is unparalleled, with many often adding to 
their subscriptions over time.With an estimated $43 billion market for video 
communications by 2022, Zoom has plenty of room to grow.Why Zoom Video 
Communications?Zoom has quickly become a force to be reckoned with in the 
always important (and quickly expanding) workplace productivity industry. Zoom 
has made it its goal to revolutionize the way people meet and communicate 
within the office. Gone are those static-filled conversations with remote 
co-workers! Zoom has replaced the awkward and complex office meetings with a 
smooth videoconferencing interface, complete with proprietary features like 
document and screen sharing.But the biggest factor is their ability to bring in 
and keep clients. The proof is in the pudding: Zoom now has over 66,000 
customers that have more than 10 employees using the service, up 29,000 from 
2018. But the biggest factor in acquiring customers is the revenue growth seen 
by companies that use Zoom. In the past 12 months, the number of customers 
generating $100,000 in revenue has doubled to almost 500. This alone makes it 
an incredible business decision to switch to Zoom Video Communications.Why 
now?Zoom has never looked stronger. Revenue in its fiscal second quarter in 
2018 rose almost 100%. And unlike most of the competition in the SaaS industry, 
Zoom is profitable.And for five quarters in a row, Zoom generated a net dollar 
expansion rate above 130%. This means that customers that have been with Zoom 
for the past year are spending 30% more now than they were initially. The 
expanding suite of capabilities makes it easy to keep businesses in the Zoom 
ecosystem.But what is most exciting? — Zoom’s prospects outside the Americas. 
Revenues from the Asia-Pacific and greater European regions are climbing at a 
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Re: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is that the planet does not need more successful people"

[Koos de Heer via OSList]

Mark,

 

I have to disagree with you here on three points:

 

“Respect is a two way street.”

No it is not. This is the quid-pro-quo, tit-for-tat mentality that has gotten 
us into an immense amount of trouble already. I can very well respect a person 
who does not respect me. I am sure you can too. Now that is something this 
world needs more of!

 

“The quote disrespects successful people and the need for more of them.”

No it does not. The quote says that it is a certain kind of success that we do 
not need more of. The quote continues to explain what and why. What we do not 
need is the kind of success that is measured in amounts of money and prides 
itself in a large ecological footprint. That is a kind of success this world 
does not need more of. See my earlier comments on definitions.

 

“I said the quote is ridiculous, not that any person is.”  That is how bullies 
get away with bullying. “I just said something about the words, not about the 
person.” (innocent face)

I can only talk for myself, but if I end my emails with a quote that is close 
to my heart, and someone calls that quote ridiculous, that hurts. And in my 
book, this is not respectful behavior.

 

Koos

 

Van: Mark Carmel  
Verzonden: donderdag 5 december 2019 22:25
Aan: k...@auryn.nl
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Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is 
that the planet does not need more successful people"

 

Koos, I said the quote is ridiculous, not that any person is.  See how simply 
words and their meaning can be misconstrued?  I agree with you on respect. 
Respect is a two way street. The quote disrespects successful people and the 
need for more of them. That is antithetical to our beloved OST.  For OST seeks 
to liberate its participants unto freedom to pursue their personal passion and 
responsibility, right?  To do what? Be unsuccessful?  See how ridiculous that 
assertion is? People yearn To become successful and accomplish their aims and 
objectives... However that is defined by each person.

 

All the best to you Koos,

MC

 

On Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 1:45 PM Koos de Heer mailto:k...@auryn.nl> 
> wrote:

Mark,

 

“THE dictionary”? As if there is one truth that supersedes all others? Not very 
Open Space-like imho.

 

It hurts me to see a quote being called ridiculous, especially if that quote 
has been said with an ideal, a true passion in mind. So I went looking for the 
meaning behind that quote and I found a few possible meanings that made good 
sense to me. When the ridiculing is topped off by saying the person should not 
be here, it hurts me even more. This feels like bullying and that, my friend, 
has no place here as far as I am concerned.

 

Let us treat each other with respect. Respect in my definition meaning:

*   Not calling each other ridiculous (or any other ugly name for that 
matter)
*   Welcoming everyone that wants to be here.

 

Koos

 

 

Van: Mark Carmel mailto:markacar...@gmail.com> > 
Verzonden: donderdag 5 december 2019 17:37
Aan: k...@auryn.nl  
CC: World wide Open Space Technology email list mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> >
Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is 
that the planet does not need more successful people"

 

Koos,

 

That IS why we have dictionaries my friend. Operational definitions are KEY in 
human understanding.  The definition of success I provided is in the 
dictionary.  

 

Thanks for your feedback.

 

MC

 

On Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 9:20 AM Koos de Heer mailto:k...@auryn.nl> 
> wrote:

It depends on your definition of success.

 

If you define success as earning a lot of money and using that money to deplete 
a large part of the earth’s resources, then I can agree with the statement that 
we don’t need that.

 

If you define success as having a large surviving offspring (and thus spreading 
your genes in larger numbers than others, the Darwinian definition of success) 
then I can agree with the statement that we don’t need that because there are 
already too many of us on this planet.

 

If you define success as realizing your dreams and if your dreams are about a 
sustainable lifestyle for all, then I think we do need that.

 

So it is all a matter of definitions.

 

Koos

 

 

Van: OSList mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org> > Namens Mark Carmel via OSList
Verzonden: donderdag 5 december 2019 16:57
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CC: Mark Carmel mailto:markacar...@gmail.com> >
Onderwerp: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is that 
the planet does not need more successful people"

 

The definition of success is:

 The Accomplishment of an aim or purpose. 

 

What IS Open Space Technology if not to inspire participants into action to 
pursue their passion to accomplish their aims? Their purpose? To become 
successful in their life? 

Re: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is that the planet does not need more successful people"

[Koos de Heer via OSList]

Mark,

 

“THE dictionary”? As if there is one truth that supersedes all others? Not very 
Open Space-like imho.

 

It hurts me to see a quote being called ridiculous, especially if that quote 
has been said with an ideal, a true passion in mind. So I went looking for the 
meaning behind that quote and I found a few possible meanings that made good 
sense to me. When the ridiculing is topped off by saying the person should not 
be here, it hurts me even more. This feels like bullying and that, my friend, 
has no place here as far as I am concerned.

 

Let us treat each other with respect. Respect in my definition meaning:

*   Not calling each other ridiculous (or any other ugly name for that 
matter)
*   Welcoming everyone that wants to be here.

 

Koos

 

 

Van: Mark Carmel  
Verzonden: donderdag 5 december 2019 17:37
Aan: k...@auryn.nl
CC: World wide Open Space Technology email list 
Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is 
that the planet does not need more successful people"

 

Koos,

 

That IS why we have dictionaries my friend. Operational definitions are KEY in 
human understanding.  The definition of success I provided is in the 
dictionary.  

 

Thanks for your feedback.

 

MC

 

On Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 9:20 AM Koos de Heer mailto:k...@auryn.nl> 
> wrote:

It depends on your definition of success.

 

If you define success as earning a lot of money and using that money to deplete 
a large part of the earth’s resources, then I can agree with the statement that 
we don’t need that.

 

If you define success as having a large surviving offspring (and thus spreading 
your genes in larger numbers than others, the Darwinian definition of success) 
then I can agree with the statement that we don’t need that because there are 
already too many of us on this planet.

 

If you define success as realizing your dreams and if your dreams are about a 
sustainable lifestyle for all, then I think we do need that.

 

So it is all a matter of definitions.

 

Koos

 

 

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CC: Mark Carmel mailto:markacar...@gmail.com> >
Onderwerp: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is that 
the planet does not need more successful people"

 

The definition of success is:

 The Accomplishment of an aim or purpose. 

 

What IS Open Space Technology if not to inspire participants into action to 
pursue their passion to accomplish their aims? Their purpose? To become 
successful in their life? 

 

The notion that we should stamp out successful people is idiotic given the 
sheer numbers - billions of people living without food, water, health care, 
safety, etc.   

 

There is a dangerous trend now disparaging success.  Anyone who buys into this 
idea to stifle success are part of the problem and should not be an OST 
Facilitatorin my humble opinion.  

 

"We need more successful people, not less." - Mark Carmel

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Hello all!!

This may be a teeny 

Re: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is that the planet does not need more successful people"

[Koos de Heer via OSList]

It depends on your definition of success.

 

If you define success as earning a lot of money and using that money to deplete 
a large part of the earth’s resources, then I can agree with the statement that 
we don’t need that.

 

If you define success as having a large surviving offspring (and thus spreading 
your genes in larger numbers than others, the Darwinian definition of success) 
then I can agree with the statement that we don’t need that because there are 
already too many of us on this planet.

 

If you define success as realizing your dreams and if your dreams are about a 
sustainable lifestyle for all, then I think we do need that.

 

So it is all a matter of definitions.

 

Koos

 

 

Van: OSList  Namens Mark Carmel via 
OSList
Verzonden: donderdag 5 december 2019 16:57
Aan: World wide Open Space Technology email list 

CC: Mark Carmel 
Onderwerp: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is that 
the planet does not need more successful people"

 

The definition of success is:

 The Accomplishment of an aim or purpose. 

 

What IS Open Space Technology if not to inspire participants into action to 
pursue their passion to accomplish their aims? Their purpose? To become 
successful in their life? 

 

The notion that we should stamp out successful people is idiotic given the 
sheer numbers - billions of people living without food, water, health care, 
safety, etc.   

 

There is a dangerous trend now disparaging success.  Anyone who buys into this 
idea to stifle success are part of the problem and should not be an OST 
Facilitatorin my humble opinion.  

 

"We need more successful people, not less." - Mark Carmel

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Hello all!!

This may be a teeny tiny bit off topic, but I will try to make it relevant!

I am looking for your reflections, insights, advice, referrals, etc. in
respect to work that I am doing and looking to expand/deepen.

Some of you may know that I have a strong interest in
movement/dance/embodiment, particularly in application to personal growth,
healing/transformation, "mindfulness", and the connections & growth
possible within groups and systems through body wisdom, embodiment
practice, and collective movement.

The awareness and acceptance of the value of the body as both a source of
wisdom and an important modality for emotional processing, healing trauma,
creative expression, group connection, seems to be growing in a number of
arenas, applications, and communities.

I am currently exploring potential areas for expanding my learning and my
practice and gathering information and insights, as well as exploring
within, so that I can choose where to focus my energies.

My questions to this community are: Do you see potential application for
movement/somatics work within any of the communities or organizations where
you work?

If so, can you identify where/how you can imagine the integration of body
and movement into the work that you do or the life/workflow of the people
with whom you work?

I welcome any and all insights and reflections and referrals! I see this
work, the way that I approach it, as truly an invitation to open space
within oneself and within 

Re: [OSList] Video?

[Koos de Heer via OSList]

Generally, it is considered good internet practice to not send large files to a 
mailing list, but a link.I am also very curious, so I hope the uploading 
works.Met vriendelijke groet,Koos de Heer
 Oorspronkelijk bericht Van: Jeff Aitken via OSList 
 Datum: 15-10-19  21:46  (GMT+01:00) Aan: World 
wide Open Space Technology email list  Cc: Jeff 
Aitken  Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] Video? Hey Phelim. No 
expert here, but a link seems wise. Can't wait to see it!JeffYelamu (San 
Francisco)On Tue, Oct 15, 2019, 10:29 AM Phelim McDermott via OSList 
 wrote:If I send a video in an email to the 
OSList will people be able to see it? Or do I need to upload it to something 
like Vimeo and send a link? 

Asking for a friend? 

Best regards,

Phelim 
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am currently aiming to respond the following day. If it is urgent please call 
me on 07956 187298. 
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Re: [OSList] The Triumph of Truth Over Error...Chime in if that's OKAY with YOU? What do you say we raise some SERIOUS money OFFICIALLY training and certifying ALL the GOOD SPIRITS among us mortals to

[Koos de Heer via OSList]

No thanks. I suggest you scan the archive of this list at  
 
http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/ to find out 
why. There are over 1,000 matches on “certified” or “certification.” No use 
repeating this discussion over and over again.

 

Van: OSList  Namens Mark Carmel via 
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Onderwerp: [OSList] The Triumph of Truth Over Error...Chime in if that's OKAY 
with YOU? What do you say we raise some SERIOUS money OFFICIALLY training and 
certifying ALL the GOOD SPIRITS among us mortals to become CERTIFIED OPEN SPACE 
TECHNOLOGISTS???

 

Dear World Wide Open Space Technologists,

 

ALL we have to do ONLY requires a collective DECISION.  

 

Here is the question:  Are you IN or out?

 

Mark Carmel

Wannabe Certified OST

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Re: [OSList] A linguistic question for a Korean friend

[Koos de Heer via OSList]

Hi Doris!
Our great friend Access Queen Lisa Heft has compiled an international  glossary 
of Open Space terms and phrases.  It is not where it used to be on the net - a 
few years ago Lisa had some problems with her website and she had to take down 
some pages including this one. I have not seen it online since. I don't know if 
the glossary contains Korean and of course I can't check right now.
Hopefully Lisa can give more info when she wakes up. She is on the West Coast 
(when not travelling) so I expect her to be up and about soon. 
That is all I have for now...
Except of course that I think that your friend, being Korean AND having worked 
with Open Space herself, is perfectly able and qualified to make her own Korean 
Open Space story. The intention behind the words is more important than the 
words themselves and I trust her intention completely.
Hope you are well.
Much love 
Koos
Met vriendelijke groet,
Koos de Heer

 Oorspronkelijk bericht Van: Doris Gottlieb via OSList 
 Datum: 10-12-17  14:14  (GMT+01:00) Aan: 
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Onderwerp: [OSList] A linguistic question for a Korean friend 
Hello Dear Open Space List,
Today I'm writing briefly for a friend of mine in Korea.  She will be holding 
an Open Space Technology meeting in Korea, and although she is Korean has, up 
to now only used the Principles and Law of Two feet  in English.  We were 
talking today and she was wondering if there is already a good translation of 
the principles and law in Korean?  
If so, I would be really grateful if you could let me know either where I can 
find them on the net, or if you could post them so I can share with her,
Thanks so much,
Doris 
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Re: [OSList] VB: Short report back - 2, 5 hours meeting (x-posted Genuine Contact list)

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To me it looks like the outline of a creative process. Divergence, Place of 
Difficulty, Convergence. 
The phase is the middle (difficulty, trouble or however you want to name it) is 
sometimes omitted (just divergence and convergence) but it is very important to 
recognize it and to practice being there. This is where the art of Holding 
Space is most needed. This is where we sit with chaos and instead of making 
sense by organizing/structuring/controlling, we allow sense to emerge.
This is what I see (and I like it). I don't know any Swedish so may be I am 
completely wrong ;-)
Met vriendelijke groet,
Koos de Heer

 Oorspronkelijk bericht Van: Michael M Pannwitz via OSList 
 Datum: 06-12-17  14:25  (GMT+01:00) Aan: 
Bhavesh Patel via OSList  Cc: Michael M 
Pannwitz  Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] VB: Short report back - 
2,
  5 hours meeting (x-posted Genuine Contact list) 
Dear Bhav,

grafic showing a specific stretch of time form 5/12 to 14/12-

On the left 24 or so critters in red, violet, green, orange colors, 
lined up fairly structured (all in the horizontal) in a triangular space 
with two borders closed and the one to the right semipermeable.

In the middle between the two triangles a stretch  with a huge purple 
swirl streaming towards the other triangle permeating into it.

The triangle to the right populated by 7 critters similar to those in 
the triangle on the left.

A bunch of 4 broad, colored strands moving out of the right triangle

A note at the bottom for the phase between 5/12 and 5/14 with something 
happening between those two days, I suppose in the purple swirl.

cheers
mmp




Am 06.12.2017 um 11:46 schrieb Bhavesh Patel via OSList:
> Could you explain the design please Thomas?
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Re: [OSList] Brett Wood Podcast

[Koos de Heer via OSList]

 

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/believe

 

 

Van: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] Namens Jan Hoglund 
via OSList
Verzonden: woensdag 3 mei 2017 11:21
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Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] Brett Wood Podcast

 

Harrison asked: What is this justification for this travesty?

 

There's no justification! But an organization's routine way of doing things is 
at risk when it begins to embrace life. The real power in the universe is 
creativity. When we serve creativity we get even more creativity. But 
creativity is not always welcome, despite slogans to the contrary.

Jan Höglund, Sweden 

Blog http://janhoglund.eu

Twitter @janhoglund

 


3 maj 2017 kl. 01:11 skrev Harrison Owen via OSList 
<oslist@lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> >:

Nicely done! And Michael – you might remind your bother that what he described 
is not unique. It always happens. It is a rare closing circle where tears are 
not shed. And after 30+ years of sitting “there,” I am never surprised. Now the 
question is: Why not every day? As I asked the Director of a Large US 
government agency who described his employees as “totally non-functional” 
before opening some space. Then we sat in a circle…. And  folks were definitely 
alive, creative, and engaged. And my question was: “What is it that you are 
doing as a business practice which renders these obviously engaged, creative, 
lively folks to be total Zombies?” He took a deep breath and didn’t say a word. 
So the question remains… What is this justification for this travesty?

 

Harrison

 

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207 763-3261

 

Websites

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www.ho-image.com <http://www.ho-image.com> 

 

From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Koos 
de Heer via OSList
Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 3:25 PM
To: 'Michael Wood'; 'World wide Open Space Technology email list'
Subject: Re: [OSList] Brett Wood Podcast

 

Great testimony indeed Michael. Thanks for sharing!

 

Koos

 

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Verzonden: dinsdag 2 mei 2017 06:20
Aan: oslist@lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> 
Onderwerp: [OSList] Brett Wood Podcast

 

Lovely testimony here to the power of OST, in the context of creativity.  Brett 
Wood is my brother and he is based in Sydney. 

 

The section of the podcast specifically related to OST is at 56 minutes and 30 
seconds through to 1 hour and 8 seconds. You can fast forward to that point if 
you want to.

 

http://theredshoes.com.au/podcast-ep-6-brett-robin-wood/

 

 

Michael Wood

Perth, Western Australia

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Re: [OSList] Brett Wood Podcast

[Koos de Heer via OSList]

Great testimony indeed Michael. Thanks for sharing!

 

Koos

 

Van: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] Namens Michael
Wood via OSList
Verzonden: dinsdag 2 mei 2017 06:20
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Onderwerp: [OSList] Brett Wood Podcast

 

Lovely testimony here to the power of OST, in the context of creativity.
Brett Wood is my brother and he is based in Sydney. 

 

The section of the podcast specifically related to OST is at 56 minutes and
30 seconds through to 1 hour and 8 seconds. You can fast forward to that
point if you want to.

 

http://theredshoes.com.au/podcast-ep-6-brett-robin-wood/

 

 

Michael Wood

Perth, Western Australia

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Re: [OSList] Twist

[Koos de Heer via OSList]

There is more than just this one twist (which is already more than just a 
“twist”).

Also: 

-Grouping of topics by the facilitator

-Urging the conveners to have lots of passion (wonder why that would be 
necessary at all – could it be because of the “twists”?)

-One facilitator per session – if there is one thing that I have seen 
to suck away the energy, it is this one.

 

Always difficult what to do. Whenever I encounter people who tell me “Nah, Open 
Space doesn’t work, I have done it and it was dull and boring” it always turns 
out to have been an Open Space with a twist. But there is nothing one can do to 
stop this – and after all, the law of self organization will always prevail in 
the end. So let’s just stick to our own truth and not waste energy fighting 
other’s truths.

 

Koos

 

Van: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] Namens Eva P 
Svensson via OSList
Verzonden: dinsdag 14 februari 2017 11:14
Aan: Richard Kasperowski ; World wide Open Space 
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Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] Twist

 

..and it's also wrong-it says that "facilitators lead and record the resulting 
discussions."..

 

I wonder how and if you can correct articles like this?

Cheers from Sweden

:o)

Eva

Skickat från min iPhone


13 feb. 2017 kl. 20:22 skrev Richard Kasperowski via OSList 
 >:

Hi, Bhavesh! I agree with you--it's a change, and it's not really OST. It's 
more like a long-format World Cafe, with pre-set topics.

 

Cheers!

 

 

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 2:14 PM Bhavesh Patel via OSList 
 > wrote:

This came across my desk: https://workshopbank.com/open-space-technology

The guy talks about a 'twist' in the process that seems like a fundamental 
change to me... what do you think?



Smiles Bhav...

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Re: [OSList] Accessibility concerns about bending down to pick up paper/pens

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As far as I can remember, it has never been a problem. Surely folks have 
complained, but I am with Harrison on this one: the ones to complain in my 
experience were not the ones with serious disabilities, merely people suffering 
from indignation: “Are you really asking ME to bend down to the FLOOR?” I am 
afraid that I have a disability here myself: I find it very difficult to make 
space or to organize for this. The people who had arthritis or a short skirt 
(or even a wheelchair) always found a solution quickly. 

 

I feel that the more I try to organize, the more I am in the way of the self 
organizing of the group. Of course I need to provide conditions, but there is a 
balance between providing conditions and pampering. Pampering is not a good 
condition for self organization. I try to tell myself that the people who are 
invited are incredibly welcome and incredibly powerful. That includes finding 
solutions for practical problems. If I try to predict and organize for every 
possible problem, I work way too hard and I don’t trust the folks in the room.

 

I once had a deaf person attending. She contacted us beforehand, announced that 
she would bring her own sign language interpreter and asked us to help make 
this possible. So we made sure they could both sit in such a way that the 
interpreting would work well.

 

A co-worker once organized an Open Space event where a number of police and 
government hot shots would attend. The organizing committee (including my 
coworker) decided to put tables in the middle because they felt it was 
impossible to ask these high ranked officials to bend over or sit on the floor. 
I thought it looked awful and I did not like the energy in the circle. 


A year or so later, I had two Open Space events for that same police and some 
other organizations, again including a number of stripes and stars. I did not 
do any tables, just everything on the floor, and nobody complained. Everybody 
took part and everybody loved the energy and creativity of the group.

 

Koos

 

Van: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] Namens Chris 
Corrigan via OSList
Verzonden: vrijdag 19 augustus 2016 17:18
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Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] Accessibility concerns about bending down to pick up 
paper/pens

 

I often share the principle of "ask for what you need and offer what you can" 
with the idea that we should ensure that everyone who wishes to participate can 
do so. And that includes providing tranlastion for those that need it. 

 

Bottom line is to be as hospitable as you can and then encourage the group to 
look after each other. 

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www.chriscorrigan.com  

 


On Aug 19, 2016, at 7:38 AM, Birgitt Williams via OSList 
 > wrote:

Hi all,

I am choosing to answer a question that was not asked. The question is 'what is 
needed in our OST meetings to ensure that people who have disabilities of any 
sort can feel welcomed and included?'. Having worked with people with lots of 
different abilities and what are commonly referred to as disabilities...both 
obvious and invisible, there are some things our clients have recommended. Some 
of them are basic good manners of welcome as we would include in our homes.

 

1. For visually impaired, do not have markers/pens rolling around on the floor 
either in the middle or at the agenda wall...use some sort of container and 
explain to people why. For the blind, having a partner to assist throughout the 
process is helpfulit is amazing how much of an OST meeting depends on being 
able to see. For the deaf, arrange for people to sign...not just in the main 
room but in the breakout spaceand if signing is no longer the best option 
with our advanced technology, do something that is current and helpful.

2. For seniors and those taking medications who have difficulty seeing a 
typical printed report...have reports on flip chart paper with big print OR if 
printed on a computer, use 18 point or greater font...and double space.

3. For the 10% of the population who gets headaches and other symptoms from 
scents/chemicals, use unscented markers/pens and in the invitation ask people 
to refrain from wearing any products with fragrances. Check the venue including 
restrooms/toilet areas to ensure no air fresheners are in use. If the venue 
uses pesticides, arrange with them ahead of time to refrain from spraying on 
day of meeting.

4.For those with joints that don't bend so well, provide some kind of tables 
with markers/pensmaybe at the side...so that they can maintain as much 
independence as possible in getting the topics up.

5. For those who have various allergies/intolerances/cultural needs with food, 
take care with beverages and food so that people are not 

Re: [OSList] Open Space voices

[Koos de Heer via OSList]

Thank you Brendan! 

 

So great to see these. People I love, in the summary there is even a short 
appearance of the late father Brian Bainbridge – indeed fond memories.  And 
certainly good material for training purposes. Thanks for sharing!

 

Koos

 

Van: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] Namens Brendan 
McKeague via OSList
Verzonden: donderdag 9 juni 2016 08:08
Aan: OS Listserve 
Onderwerp: [OSList] Open Space voices

 

Hi all

 

We have been gifted with a beautiful piece of history...some wonderful words of 
wisdom from Harrison Owen, Peggy Holman and Nev Kennard from WOSonOSinOZ, 
recorded 14 YEARS AGO, way back in 2002 at Marysville, near Melbourne in 
Australia.

 

  
www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zo2qQNdp5U

 

David Smith (from Imaginaction http://www.imaginaction.net.au/index.htm) filmed 
the event and recorded a number of interviews with participants. 

 

THANK YOU DAVID

 

His 5 mins summary of the event is also on YouTube

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WlRiX_ID68

 

I regularly use these for Open Space Learning programs - the new and curious 
inquirers find them useful, stimulating and inspiring.

 

I hope you enjoy the musings and the memories…

 

Cheers

Brendan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: [OSList] OST for big changes in company

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Hi Karolina,

 

If you have been supporting this company for a while, I assume you are in a 
position to ask questions about their change strategy – maybe you are even 
helping them design their change strategy. If I would be in a position to 
discuss this with them, I think I would ask some more fundamental questions 
first.  This is because for me, the idea behind Open Space is that there is not 
one person (or a small group of people) who has the answers. Usually, when you 
involve the whole system to explore the challenges that are ahead of us, the 
solutions are much better than any one person on their own could ever imagine. 
This is what happens over and over in Open Space and this is why it is so 
great. But this greatness comes with a price and I always discuss this price 
beforehand.

 

So the question is: is there a possibility to put this major change itself on 
the table? How certain are the management of the company that the solution they 
have chosen is the best solution? Could the whole system, brought together in 
Open Space, maybe design an even better solution, with less pain for the people 
in the system? From the perspective of change management, we know that people 
are much more likely to adopt and support a solution they have designed or made 
a contribution to.  

 

If managers choose to use Open Space, I assume they hold the same beliefs that 
are the basis of Open Space: that a solution discovered and designed together 
by the whole system is usually much more sustainable and more successful in the 
long run. This belief seems to contradict with your story of a management team 
designing a solution on their own and using Open Space only to give this 
solution a softer landing. I don’t think this is a very good way to use Open 
Space. What is the true belief of this management team? Do they believe in the 
positive energy and the creativity of the people? Do they really trust the 
people who work for them? If they do, I would suggest they involve the people 
in the decision making. If they don’t, then Open Space is not for them.

 

Koos

 

Van: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] Namens Karolina Iwa 
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Verzonden: donderdag 2 juni 2016 15:53
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Onderwerp: [OSList] OST for big changes in company

 

dear group, 

i am seeking advice and stories.

on monday i have a meeting with the board of a company we've been supporting 
for the last year in their growth. some time ago they decided to make a major 
change (cannot get into more details at this point), which most probably a. 
will make quite some people in the company experience negative emotions and b. 
is coming quite unexpectedly. 

the board intends at designing the best change experience they can in the 
moment of communicating the changes and after. 

we intend to open the space after the news has been shared + the reasons behind 
it & consequences for the company & employees have been communicated, so i am 
wondering - from your experience:

- what would be similar stories you took part in / heard of?

- what can be helpful / should we pay attention to while preparing the meeting 
for the board and with the board preparing the whole organisation meeting?

thanks in advance for sharing.



karolina.





   

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Re: [OSList] The Question

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Yes Michael, indeed. A written list of aspects that would make up the
"essence" is not going to do that essence justice. The way I feel it, the
only way to really grasp the essence of Open Space is get in there (or out
there) and do it. Whoever has been in a great Open Space gathering, will
have felt the essence. I think a debate about which items belong or do not
belong on the "essence list" is no good, because that debate will itself
close the space.


-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] Namens Michael M
Pannwitz via OSList
Verzonden: maandag 1 februari 2016 14:52
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email list <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>
Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] The Question

I authorize anyone with a good heart and a clear head to speak on what is
essential to OST and I also know about the delete button.

And it is clear to me and at least three other people that while there is no
posted or otherwise transmitted agenda, there are at least as many agendas
in the space in question as there are folks present... and I have actually
seen colleague facilitators to tell folks that this or that issue presented
really does not fit the THEME... and being ignored or reprimanded or chased
off the premises.

Somehow I feel there is simply no traditional way to describe, define, etc.
that which is perhaps understood by this or that person or all of us or not
for matters not graspable with the traditional, logical, scientific or other
stuff smelling of control... still it appears to be fruitful fun/work. So,
lets keep at it.

This morning 6 Syrian refugee girls aged 5 to 11 and the mother of one child
followed the invitation of my wife to come to "Holiday School" 
(this week the schools are closed in Berlin for Winter Holidays) between
10 and 12:30 at our home. The THEME was Learning German. I sort of snugged
into this in the role of caterer (tea, oranges, rolls, butter, jam and
honey). It clearly did not look like "school" and none of the trappings of
an "OST event" were there BUT much of that which we regularily experience in
events we facilitate surfaced: laughter, high play, high learning, working
like hell on stuff such as letters, numbers, writing, solving little
puzzles,  pronunciation... small groups all over the house. I avoided to
point out to my wife that this really felt like Open Space and that I
smelled the force of selforganisation... 
she usually is ready to get on my throat when I do that...

Greetings from Berlin
mmp



On 01.02.2016 14:06, Daniel Mezick via OSList wrote:
> Greetings to One and All,
>
> Koos strongly implies these items are essential to OST:
>
>   * Law of Two Feet
>   * Absence of any agenda at start
>
>
> ...note that I purposely do not say, I avoid saying:  "..at start of 
> Opening Circle" or "...at start of opening circle", or 
>
>  well, you get the idea (I think.)
>
> I wonder who joins with Koos on these two points. I wonder if there 
> are other essential items.
>
> I wonder if it is heresy for Koos to speak with authority on what is 
> essential to OST, and what is not.
>
>
>
> Regarding dogma, if there is a culturally enforced rule here 
> prohibiting dogma, this rule is "dogma about dogma,", or "dogma qua
dogma."
>
> Savez-vous pourquoi? Est-ce pas?
>
>
>
> Daniel
>
>
>
> Koos says:
>
> And: there are gatherings I have seen and other gatherings that people 
> have talked to me about, that were called Open Space but did not open 
> the space very much. Because *there was **no Law of Two Feet*, and/or 
> because *there was a preset agenda*, that kind of thing.
>
> *There are a few things that make up the essence of Open Space* and if 
> you take those away, you can of course go ahead and have fun with your 
> meeting, but don't call it Open Space.
>
>
>
>
> On 1/31/16 2:54 PM, Koos de Heer via OSList wrote:
>>
>> Yes, what Michael Herman said.
>>
>> And: there are gatherings I have seen and other gatherings that 
>> people have talked to me about, that were called Open Space but did 
>> not open the space very much. Because there was no Law of Two Feet, 
>> and/or because there was a preset agenda, that kind of thing. There 
>> are a few things that make up the essence of Open Space and if you 
>> take those away, you can of course go ahead and have fun with your 
>> meeting, but don't call it Open Space.
>>
>> There can be a lot of reasons to play with the format and adapt it.
>> Nothing wrong with that.  But I know that for folks who are used to 
>> conventional meetings and the old corporate way of managing an 
>> organization, it can b

Re: [OSList] The Question

[Koos de Heer via OSList]

Yes, what Michael Herman said. 

 

And: there are gatherings I have seen and other gatherings that people have 
talked to me about, that were called Open Space but did not open the space very 
much. Because there was no Law of Two Feet, and/or because there was a preset 
agenda, that kind of thing. There are a few things that make up the essence of 
Open Space and if you take those away, you can of course go ahead and have fun 
with your meeting, but don’t call it Open Space.

 

There can be a lot of reasons to play with the format and adapt it. Nothing 
wrong with that.  But I know that for folks who are used to conventional 
meetings and the old corporate way of managing an organization, it can be a 
pretty scary thing to do an Open Space. And more often than not, these folks 
try to combat their fear by adapting Open Space into something less scary. 
Usually, making it less scary takes away the essence of Open Space. Those are, 
at least in my book, the wrong reasons to play with the format. And in those 
cases, I become one of the “elders” who say: don’t tamper with it, because it 
is not going to work. And for good reason.

 

Koos

 

Van: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] Namens Michael 
Herman via OSList
Verzonden: zondag 31 januari 2016 19:12
Aan: paul levy ; World wide Open Space Technology email list 

Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] The Question

 

This whole story about a split between OST and opening space, this bit about 
unchanging dogma is a big mystery to me.  

 

There is what is written in the User's Guide.  And then there is what all of us 
do.  I can remember exactly one instance, almost twenty years ago, when anyone 
said to me "that's not open space cuz it's not what's written i the book."  
That was in person, but i've never actually heard any such thing on the list.  

 

And I see LOTS of changes and adaptations.  What was written as 3 days has been 
experimented down to 3 hours or even less.  Convergence still happens, but 
non-convergence happens probably more, and other convergences, too.  John Engle 
taught us to open with skits instead of posters, and oral reports instead of 
typed notes.  We've mixed OST with appreciative inquiry.  I once sprinkled six 
breakout sessions into a formal, powerpoint-heavy corporate top leadership 
retreat week.  Ralph Copleman came to the list once for ideas on how to open 
space or do OST on a beach without walls.  Anne Stadler and friends 
experimented with ongoing, quarterly open space practice.  Others of us have 
run OST-like tracks inside of traditional conferences, sometimes as part of the 
conference plan and at least once as a totally emergent experiment that ran on 
nametags that said "ask me about open space" and a pop-up community bulletin 
board wall in a hallway.  Daniel Mezick has opened a new frontier in adapting 
the practice of open space tech to agile adoption.  

 

Brian Bainbridge, who once told me that he read a little bit of the user's 
guide before every time he facilitated an open space meeting, also came to this 
list with a report about how he'd just stood at a podium, on a stage, looking 
out at decidedly-not-a-circle sitting in cushy fixed seats, given a little 
opening invitation briefing and had people streaming across the stage to post 
their topics on some sort of temporary wall.  And that was it.  No breakouts, 
no proceedings, no open space?  Not a chance.  The group buzzed about those 
topics through the rest of their conference, in lots of standard sessions and 
the usual coffee breaks.  

 

The thing that stands out for me about these things, other than that they never 
got written up in any of harrison's books, is that they happened -- they 
weren't hypothetical, mental exercises we did on the list.   They were real 
live practice stories first.   This tells me that, true to the intro of the 
original user's guide, anyone can go and experiment and bring the story back 
for conversation and learning.  When we talk in theories and generalities, 
including about dogma, dogma arises.  When we talk about the real things we did 
and what seemed to happen as a result, there is no room or need for dogma.  
There is only the work of understanding what's happening(ed).  And then 
everyone in the conversation can choose whether to repeat or adjust that 
experiment, in any other situation that might show up.  

 

There are all these new things that have been tried and shared, and there are 
also many common threads and practices.  I see no benefit in or need for 
tagging the common ground as dogma OR for things differently only for the sake 
of novelty.  In practice, the only thing that matters is what we actually do 
and how it works.  What we think is happening, what we believe might work, and 
all manner of intellectualizing and theorizing is just so much distraction, 
until somebody actually puts it on the ground in the center of a circle or 

Re: [OSList] lecturing on OST???

[Koos de Heer via OSList]

Hi Raffi,

Problem is that I find it very hard to convey the nature of Open Space through 
a lecture.

Do you think you could talk with your friend about her own worries and fears 
about just doing Open Space? So far, the past 30 years have shown that Open 
Space works with all kinds of people and in many different settings. What makes 
her think it might not work here? What are her underlying assumptions and is 
there a way to test if they are true?

If it is about being comfortable with you as a person, you might offer to do a 
lecture for them about a topic that you know much about - not Open Space but 
something else. Maybe it could be about the benefits and drawbacks of risk 
avoidance - just kidding. :-)

Koos

> Op 20 jan. 2016 om 16:27 heeft Raffi Aftandelian via OSList 
>  het volgende geschreven:
> 
> spacenik friends-
> 
> So, a friend would like to invite me to do an OST for her cultural 
> organization. She senses, though, that before really offering to do an OST 
> for them that they'd really feel more comfortable with me if I were to give a 
> lecture on OST, presumably with Q
> 
> This organization invites people to give lectures, so this is what they are 
> used to.
> My friend's thinking is that after they see me give a lecture then they'll 
> feel enough trust and receptivity to having an OST.
> 
> Would you be willing to give a lecture??
> 
> Your thoughts?
> Part of me has me thinking that it is important to meet people where they 
> are-- and if indeed that is what they are most comfortable with, perhaps 
> indeed start with a lecture?
> 
> merci!
> Raffi 
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Re: [OSList] Subject: Clothing Optional Open Space

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I have never done this, but I am familiar with the clothing optional world an I 
am sure Open Space will work very well. 

Koos

> Op 21 jan. 2016 om 14:01 heeft Chris Grady via OSList 
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> Has anyone explored Open Space in a clothing optional setting. I am exploring 
> the subject of clothing optional theatre, and held a great session at a 
> recent theatre open space on the subject (clothed). Now I am considering an 
> open space an welcoming delegates who embrace the subject to be clothed or 
> unclothed in the discussion.  Thoughts most welcome
> 
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Re: [OSList] Interesting Space Experiment

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I almost always use Helium balloons. It makes defining the break out spaces 
very easy and flexible. Especially when you keep the whole system in one room, 
which I love to do.  I use a large version of the balloon (70 cm or 28" 
diameter when filled) and every balloon has a letter suspended from it. That 
way you are not limited by the number of colors. 

The balloons are prevented from drifting to the ceiling by small balloons 
filled with sandy hat are sitting on the floor, connected with almost invisible 
nylon thread. 

Apart from being practical, it also adds a little playfulness to the often 
somewhat solemn atmosphere of meeting facilities. 

Koos

> Op 21 jan. 2016 om 12:14 heeft Diana Larsen via OSList 
>  het volgende geschreven:
> 
> It takes the new principle "Wherever it happens is the right place" in a 
> whole new direction! 
> - Diana
> 
> Please forgive odd typos and autocorrects, this was Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jan 21, 2016, at 14:02, Harrison Owen  wrote:
>> 
>> The great experiment continues! Wonderful Several years ago, Michael 
>> Pannwitz faced a similar problem but involving a few more people. 2108, to 
>> be exact. The venue was a circus tent, and as with you -- balloons (153 as I 
>> recall) marked the "spaces." Then when it came to The Four Principles, Law 
>> of Two Feet, Bumble Bees and butterflies --- You guessed it --- Lots more 
>> Balloons drifting as they pleased in the open space. We did have fun.
>> 
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>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 2:06 PM
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>> Subject: [OSList] Interesting Space Experiment
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> This week I'm facilitating a small (40 people), 1 ½ day, internal open space 
>> for a client. We found a great spot for the opening circle, but for a few 
>> reasons we had trouble identifying four to six breakout spaces. 
>> 
>> In the spirit of finding one less thing to do, we took the weighted helium 
>> balloons we'd purchased to brighten the space and decided the hosts could 
>> use them as the space definers. 
>> 
>> 1) We lined up six different colored balloons next to the agenda wall. 
>> 2) I made sticky notes in the same colors to represent the spaces and 
>> different times on the agenda wall. Each host selected one of the colored 
>> sticky notes for their time slot and placed it on their topic paper. 
>> 3) At the breaks between sessions, each new host grabs the colored balloon 
>> that matches their session and takes it to wherever they want to hold their 
>> discussion.
>> 4) At the end of their session they bring it back. 
>> Rinse, repeat. It's working really well. 
>> 
>> I love experimenting with one less thing...
>> 
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Re: [OSList] florian fischer has passed away

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Thank you Peggy for reminding me. I was there too in Berlin in 2000 and at the 
Swenmark gathering in 2003. I remember Florian as a very gentle and at the same 
time very dedicated person. And also very creative. He could challenge my 
assumptions in a way that was very inspiring and at the same time a bit 
unsettling. I guess that is the way it should be. 

Not having seen him for over 10 years I can't say that I miss him, but I 
celebrate his life and I cherish the memories. 

Koos

> Op 30 okt. 2015 om 18:43 heeft Peggy Holman via OSList 
>  het volgende geschreven:
> 
> Like Chris, I fell in love with Florian the first time I met him. It was at 
> OSonOS in Berlin in 2000. Among his many gifts, he was a poet. I turned a 
> pamphlet he created of his poems about Open Space into a pdf. He called it 
> "Weying in Open Space". He coined the term weying to speak of identity 
> grounded in “we”. From a paper he wrote:
> 
>  When boundaries connect as well as separate, then it is not a matter of here 
> and there, not of we and you, but rather a matter of the distinction within 
> the unit, it is a matter of unity in the network of complex structures.
> 
> One thing that impressed me about Florian was his learning more English so 
> that he could participate more in the Open Space community. I saw him at 
> several OSonOS gatherings, including Vancouver, BC in 2001 and at the 
> “Svenmark OSOnOS (Sweden/Denmark), where these pictures were taken in 2003:
> http://peggyholman.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Florian.jpg
> 
> http://peggyholman.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Florian-at-OSonOS-DenmarkDSCN3727.jpg
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> 
> I always had the sense that anything could happen when Florian was around. He 
> will be missed.
> 
> Appreciatively,
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> 
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>> On Oct 30, 2015, at 9:35 AM, doug via OSList 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh, no.
>> 
>> A great spirit was he.
>> 
>> :- Doug.
>> 
>>> On 10/29/2015 06:58 PM, Catherine Pfaehler via OSList wrote:
>>> Dear Open Space family
>>> 
>>> Upon my return home tonight, I found a letter in the mail.
>>> 
>>> „on sunday evening october 18th, florian has sunk back into the secret
>>> of life. he departed decidedly, has spread his wings powerfully for his
>>> last journey. – we live on a little bit and will then come too. until
>>> then, he will stay in our hearts forever.“
>>> 
>>> His family has sent a beautiful card with texts from florian. The one on
>>> the front side reads:
>>> 
>>> „beginning
>>> 
>>> over is over
>>> 
>>> in the beginning there was no end.
>>> 
>>> so it was decided,
>>> 
>>> that beginning shall follow beginning,
>>> 
>>> forever.
>>> 
>>> over-is-over since means:
>>> 
>>> give space to new beginning.“
>>> 
>>> On the back side of the card, I read „today, his family and closest
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>>> evangelic cemetery of alt-schöneberg, berlin.“
>>> 
>>> With fond memories of florian who, with katharina and shirin,
>>> magnificently held space for us when we visited them in Rodalquilar in
>>> October 2007 full of sadness and shock as we had just received the news
>>> of the death of my daughters and their father and spouse, and who was my
>>> coach in my first big Open Space… Fare well, my dear friend!
>>> 
>>> Catherine
>>> 
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Re: [OSList] is OS apropriate to fill a structure

[Koos de Heer via OSList]

Dear Hege,

 

Filling the complete agenda beforehand is not something I would do in Open
Space. I do allow people to prepare topics beforehand if they want to, but
then these conveners have to put their topic on the marketplace with all the
others. For me, the power of Open Space is in the present, in the now. The
passion of the people at that moment is what drives it. That moment when the
invitation is out and people come forward to write their topic on a piece of
paper is a very special moment, where the passion of NOW becomes tangible. A
pre-filled agenda does not fit in with that.

 

An interesting question of course is why they want to do it that way. If
only politicians can fill the agenda, then (at least in my book) only the
politicians can be participants. If they want the people of the community to
be participants, then everybody gets the opportunity to fill the agenda
together. If I understand yout mail correctly, they want the community to
participate but only the politicians to create the agenda. There must be a
reason for that. Finding out that reason is important, because then you
might be able to show them that they are trying to take a long route to
their goal and that there may be a much better, more direct route.

 

Good luck

 

Koos

 

 

 

Van: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] Namens Hege
Steinsland via OSList
Verzonden: vrijdag 7 augustus 2015 11:56
Aan: World wide Open Space Technology email list
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
Onderwerp: [OSList] is OS apropriate to fill a structure

 

Dear list - colleague.

 

I´ve worked with Open Space on two occasions in the same municipality, and
they seem to enjoy and value it. I always work with OS as a process with a
pre meeting and a follow up meeting.

 

Now they have designed a new structure for how the politicians should
organize decision- making in order to let the politicians govern more for
real and have more interesting and meaningful tasks. They want let the
politicians be involved in filling the structure with content, and want  to
use OS for this purpose.

 

My question:

Is this open enough for an OS meeting? Is the structure simply the givens
and the question « how do we serve our community the best within this
structure» or something like that?

 

Or do we work better with World Cafe or other tools in this situation?

 

Do you have experience or advices to give me?

 

I wonder...

 

All the best from

Hege

 

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Re: [OSList] 30 Years ... and Counting!

[Koos de Heer via OSList]

Thank you Harrison, you continue to amaze and inspire me – and I know many
others with me. Your constant reminders that many of us are still working
too hard make me wonder sometimes. Are you not working too hard reminding us
not to work too hard? After all, our working, whether too hard or not, is
also part of this self organizing system. That is not to say that I don’t
appreciate it – I still need these reminders now and then and I love being
part of your system so I can receive these reminders. I love it this way, it
is just perfect in all its imperfection.

 

Have fun up there in Maine.

 

Love and a big hug from across the great pond

 

Koos

 

Van: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] Namens Hege
Steinsland via OSList
Verzonden: vrijdag 26 juni 2015 8:34
Aan: Christine Whitney Sanchez; World wide Open Space Technology email list
CC: Harrison Owen
Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] 30 Years ... and Counting!

 

I´ts such a gift to be abel to read your thoughts, insights and shared
wisdom over and over again, Harrison!

Thank you and God bless!

 

Hege 

26. juni 2015 kl. 04:18 skrev Christine Whitney Sanchez via OSList
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Harrison, I don’t ever see a turtle, much less a group of them like this
lovely gaggle on the Big Island, without thinking of you.  

 

You have blessed me, blessed our community and blessed the world with Open
Space and self-organization all the way down.  

 

DSC02116.jpeg

 

Love,

Christine
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On Jun 25, 2015, at 6:47 PM, David Osborne via OSList
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wrote:

 

Wonderful note..

 

Thanks for your constant inspiration, challenge and guidance Harrison.

 

David

 

On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Harrison via OSList
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org 
wrote:

Come this 4th of July it will be 30 years since something called Open Space
Technology happened. At the time, we (that would be me, for sure) didn’t
have a clue what it was or where it was headed. Since then it seems like a
lot of good stuff has come down. Of course we need to remember the learnings
from the ‘60’s – “Never trust anyone over 30.” Well... we just got there!
Everybody should be well advised that what happens next is TOTALLY their
responsibility... Or something.

 

What happens next is definitely your responsibility. Having entered into my
80th year, I am well past the age of discretion. But I do have a few
thoughts that may, or may not, be germane.

 

I don’t think this is the end of something. I do believe it is the
beginning. And... There will always be a time when “the first timers” (as
participants or facilitators) gets the WOW Experience (Thank you Tom
Peters). Kind of like the first ride on your bicycle. Millions of people
have done it before you. But your First Ride is always unique (for you). 

 

There will always be times when bits and pieces of our common experience in
Open Space are held out as “singularities” – something strange and unique.
The latest version is called, “Liberating Structures (Thank you Henri!).”
Wonderful Idea, I think, but just a very small part of the whole. 

 

And for all those wonderful people who are attempting to wed Open Space to
Agile (Dan et al you know who I am talking about) – I say Three Cheers! And
I also hope that the day will come when it is recognized that truly Agile
organization are fully, consciously, intentionally – self organizing. At
that point, you don’t have to wed anything to anything. Just be what you
already are. Which is another way of saying that SCRUM (along with all the
other “techniques”) sound nice, but are yet one more example of “working too
hard.”

 

And What Next? Truly, I am out of crystal balls. But I rather think the
beginning will begin when we call “Full Stop” on any attempt to organize
anything. And in that momentary space (Open Space?) just notice what is
organizing all by itself. Amazing! And we didn’t do a thing. Which leads
naturally to the next question... How do we take advantage of the winds of
our existence to bring our ships to harbors of fullness and greatness?

 

And then we may take a lesson from Sailors and the Sea. Sailors do not
create the wind or the Sea. Although many have tried. All have failed. But
they have learned to ride the winds and the seas to their advantage. We have
the same opportunity.

 

On this 30th Birthday, and as I approach my 80th – Good Luck and Carry On!

 

Harrison

 

 

 

 

 

Winter Address

7808 River 

Re: [OSList] Change of OSList moderation policy

[Koos de Heer via OSList]

Harold

Thank you for all the TLC you put into this!

Koos


 Op 25 jun. 2015 om 16:34 heeft Harold Shinsato via OSList 
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 Dear OSList Members,
 
 If you (or anyone) sends an email to the OSList from an email address that is 
 not subscribed, I never review it (despite what the old message implied). 
 That email just sits in a queue along with many many other emails selling 
 wierd stuff, and making various propositions, and warnings about bank 
 accounts. I.E. LOTS OF SPAM.
 
 I just changed the policy to automatically reject any such emails - rather 
 than hold them in a queue.
 
 If you get a bounce message saying your submission was rejected - the reason 
 is that only members of the OSList are allowed to post to the OSList - to 
 protect us all from LOADS OF SPAM.
 
 Although you may be getting emails from the OSList - that does not mean the 
 specific email address you attempt to send from was subscribed. You may have 
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Re: [OSList] NOSonOS

[Koos de Heer via OSList]

Hi Thomas

Have fun out there! It must be a great time of year to visit Iceland now.  I 
imagine the country to be one big open space :-)

Koos

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] Namens Thomas 
Herrmann via OSList
Verzonden: donderdag 11 juni 2015 6:22
Aan: OSLIST
Onderwerp: [OSList] NOSonOS

So ready to depart for Iceland to join the Nordic OSonOS. 
We'll have several days to explore OST, look around and experience the (I 
heard) extraordinary nature and of course people. 
Wohooo
Thomas

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Re: [OSList] How big is a circle with 300 people?

[Koos de Heer via OSList]

sprache=envon_seite=ue_veranstaltung.aspds=8branche=begleiterId=9anzei
geOrtId=0 


If you use the following link you get to the pretty fantastic photo story by
Erich Kolenaty where you can click on a pdf file which I am afraid is too
bulky to attach to this mail 



http://www.transformation.at/article46.htm 




08.06.2015 06:05, Koos de Heer via OSList wrote: 



Thanks Harrison. 

In my experience, two meters is fine to pass behind the rows on your 
way to the agenda wall, but it is not enough when you have 300 people 
in front of the agenda wall trying to figure out where they want to 
go. You don’t want people tripping over the empty chairs that are in 
the way. So directly in front of the agenda wall, I would allow for 
at least 6 meters (20 feet) if you have 300 participants. 

Good luck Anna Carolina! 

Koos 

*Van:*OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] *Namens 
 *Harrison via OSList *Verzonden:* maandag 8 juni 2015 3:10 *Aan:* 
'Anna Caroline Türk'; 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' 
*Onderwerp:* Re: [OSList] How big is a circle with 300 people? 

I do love this! And Koos – your spread sheet is fabulous!! Frankly, 
I’ve found that the basic “rule of thumb” – take the rated room size 
and divide by 2  -- will get you started. (A room rated for 300 will 
work well for an Open Space of 150)... and from there on out you just 
have to go with the flow. Remembering: 1) Have as much space in the 
center as you can, so folks aren’t all crowed together. After all 
this is OPEN Space. And 2) Leave a meter or two (3-6 feet) between 
the last row and the Wall so that folks can easily post their issues. 
Congestion slows everything down. After that, anything will work. Or 
more to the point, the people will figure the way. And do have fun! 

Harrison 

Winter Address 

7808 River Falls Drive 

Potomac, MD 20854 

301-365-2093 

Summer Address 

189 Beaucaire Ave. 

Camden, ME 04843 

207-763-3261 

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 *From:*OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] *On 
Behalf Of *Anna Caroline Türk via OSList *Sent:* Sunday, June 07, 
2015 5:18 PM *To:* OS List *Subject:* [OSList] How big is a circle 
with 300 people? 

Dear all, 

Please help me do the math: How is the radius of concentric circles 
with 300 participants? 

How many rows do you think it will be? 

Thank you! 

much Love 

Anna Caroline 

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Re: [OSList] How big is a circle with 300 people?

[Koos de Heer via OSList]

Thanks Harrison.

 

In my experience, two meters is fine to pass behind the rows on your way to the 
agenda wall, but it is not enough when you have 300 people in front of the 
agenda wall trying to figure out where they want to go. You don’t want people 
tripping over the empty chairs that are in the way.  So directly in front of 
the agenda wall, I would allow for at least 6 meters (20 feet) if you have 300 
participants.

 

Good luck Anna Carolina!

 

Koos

 

Van: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] Namens Harrison via 
OSList
Verzonden: maandag 8 juni 2015 3:10
Aan: 'Anna Caroline Türk'; 'World wide Open Space Technology email list'
Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] How big is a circle with 300 people?

 

I do love this! And Koos – your spread sheet is fabulous!! Frankly, I’ve found 
that the basic “rule of thumb” – take the rated room size and divide by 2  -- 
will get you started. (A room rated for 300 will work well for an Open Space of 
150)... and from there on out you just have to go with the flow. Remembering: 
1) Have as much space in the center as you can, so folks aren’t all crowed 
together. After all this is OPEN Space. And 2) Leave a meter or two (3-6 feet) 
between the last row and the Wall so that folks can easily post their issues. 
Congestion slows everything down. After that, anything will work. Or more to 
the point, the people will figure the way. And do have fun!

 

Harrison

 

Winter Address

7808 River Falls Drive

Potomac, MD 20854

301-365-2093

 

Summer Address

189 Beaucaire Ave.

Camden, ME 04843

207-763-3261

 

Websites

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www.ho-image.com

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From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Anna 
Caroline Türk via OSList
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2015 5:18 PM
To: OS List
Subject: [OSList] How big is a circle with 300 people?

 

Dear all,

 

Please help me do the math: How is the radius of concentric circles with 300 
participants?

How many rows do you think it will be?

 

Thank you!

 

much Love

Anna Caroline

 

 




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Re: [OSList] Archives ready for search

[Koos de Heer via OSList]

Harold,

You are truly awesome. Thank you so much for all the work you put into this. 
And for keeping us informed all the time. 

I am sending you a virtual thank you hug. 

Koos

 Op 24 mrt. 2015 om 05:55 heeft Harold Shinsato via OSList 
 oslist@lists.openspacetech.org het volgende geschreven:
 
 Wow, can't believe I'm finally reporting success. The messages are all there 
 and searchable. And it seems linkable. But the index only goes back 3000 
 messages. So you need to use the search if you want older messages. Below is 
 more explanation, and a link back to the first 1996 OSLIST messages.
 
   Regards,
   Harold
 
 
  Actually, the messages are all there; here's some from 1996. I suspect you 
  are
  talking about the index pages only going back 3000 messages. This is normal
  and explained in the FAQ. We do this for performance reasons and we expect 
  users to use search for older material. Most people (not everyone!) prefers 
  search to clicking a dozen times. 
 
 
 http://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html#volume
 
 http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=oslist%40lists.openspacetech.orgq=date%3A1996*
 
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Re: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?

[Koos de Heer via OSList]

I have done so many that I have lost count. I always dream of going back in all 
my calendars and do a count. So far, haven't gotten around to it.

Happy lurking!

Met vriendelijke groet,

Koos de Heer

Daniel Mezick via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.orgschreef:

Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.

...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of experience 
being reported!

So interesting ... so much depth.  Seems like something to ... /explore/

So: if you want, /you are cordially invited/ to play ... let's call it 
the OST-7 Game:



*The OST-7**Game*


*The Goal:*
Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually Facilitated 
7 or more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way: what is the 
depth of practical OST facilitation experience across the entire membership?

*The Rules:*
If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying with 
hey ... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might like to 
say, for example: where you are located, last time you did one, your 
hair color, etc

*Tracking Progress:*
Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of countries, # 
of OST events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair, or 
absolutely any other measures you like
*
**Play:*
100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and 
prefer to just watch the game, that's OK too.





Notes:

  * For this game, OST means something like this:
http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm
  * This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've
Facilitated at least 7 of these events in your lifetime.
  * Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the thread
stays together, under the same subject


Steps to Play:

  * Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
  * Reply with hey or with absolutely anything else you might like to say


You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...

Daniel

-- 

Daniel Mezick, President

New Technology Solutions Inc.

(203) 915 7248 (cell)

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http://newtechusa.net/blog/. Twitter http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/.

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http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/: Tools for the 
Agile Manager.

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Re: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?

[Koos de Heer via OSList]

I have done so many that I have lost count. I always dream of going back in all 
my calendars and do a count. So far, haven't gotten around to it.

Happy lurking!

Met vriendelijke groet,

Koos de Heer

Daniel Mezick via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.orgschreef:

Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.

...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of experience 
being reported!

So interesting ... so much depth.  Seems like something to ... /explore/

So: if you want, /you are cordially invited/ to play ... let's call it 
the OST-7 Game:



*The OST-7**Game*


*The Goal:*
Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually Facilitated 
7 or more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way: what is the 
depth of practical OST facilitation experience across the entire membership?

*The Rules:*
If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying with 
hey ... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might like to 
say, for example: where you are located, last time you did one, your 
hair color, etc

*Tracking Progress:*
Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of countries, # 
of OST events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair, or 
absolutely any other measures you like
*
**Play:*
100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and 
prefer to just watch the game, that's OK too.





Notes:

  * For this game, OST means something like this:
http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm
  * This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've
Facilitated at least 7 of these events in your lifetime.
  * Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the thread
stays together, under the same subject


Steps to Play:

  * Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
  * Reply with hey or with absolutely anything else you might like to say


You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...

Daniel

-- 

Daniel Mezick, President

New Technology Solutions Inc.

(203) 915 7248 (cell)

Bio http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/. Blog 
http://newtechusa.net/blog/. Twitter http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/.

Examine my new book:The Culture Game 
http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/: Tools for the 
Agile Manager.

Explore Agile Team Training 
http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/ and Coaching. 
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Re: [OSList] Who has facilitated at least 7 OST events?

[Koos de Heer via OSList]

I have done so many that I have lost count. I always dream of going back in all 
my calendars and do a count. So far, haven't gotten around to it.

Happy lurking!

Met vriendelijke groet,

Koos de Heer

Daniel Mezick via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.orgschreef:

Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.

...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of experience 
being reported!

So interesting ... so much depth.  Seems like something to ... /explore/

So: if you want, /you are cordially invited/ to play ... let's call it 
the OST-7 Game:



*The OST-7**Game*


*The Goal:*
Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually Facilitated 
7 or more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way: what is the 
depth of practical OST facilitation experience across the entire membership?

*The Rules:*
If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying with 
hey ... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might like to 
say, for example: where you are located, last time you did one, your 
hair color, etc

*Tracking Progress:*
Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of countries, # 
of OST events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair, or 
absolutely any other measures you like
*
**Play:*
100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and 
prefer to just watch the game, that's OK too.





Notes:

  * For this game, OST means something like this:
http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm
  * This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've
Facilitated at least 7 of these events in your lifetime.
  * Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the thread
stays together, under the same subject


Steps to Play:

  * Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
  * Reply with hey or with absolutely anything else you might like to say


You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...

Daniel

-- 

Daniel Mezick, President

New Technology Solutions Inc.

(203) 915 7248 (cell)

Bio http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/. Blog 
http://newtechusa.net/blog/. Twitter http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/.

Examine my new book:The Culture Game 
http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/: Tools for the 
Agile Manager.

Explore Agile Team Training 
http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/ and Coaching. 
http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/

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Re: [OSList] Are You a frequent Lurker on OSLIST?

[Koos de Heer via OSList]

Hi Dan,

 

Thanks for the invitation. I have grown from lurker to frequent contributer and 
back to lurker again.

 

I have done many Open Space events and for a few years I have been trying to 
co-ordinate a bit of community here in the Netherlands. So I consider myself 
knowledgeable enough to contribute. Often I have so many things to do that I 
don’t give myself the time to sit down and write a thorough, well thought 
reply. Now that I write this, I realize that it is not necessary to put the bar 
that high. It does not always have to be of academic quality – a simple sharing 
will do too. So this is a note to myself.

 

I have no problem voicing a different opinion and I have always felt respected 
and welcomed on this list. So my silence has nothing to do with feeling 
intimidated.

 

Much love 

 

Koos

 

Van: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] Namens Suzanne 
Daigle via OSList
Verzonden: donderdag 11 december 2014 15:54
Aan: Liz Martins; World wide Open Space Technology email list
Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] Are You a frequent Lurker on OSLIST?

 

Dear Dan, thank you so much for posting this invitation. To see so many names 
that I don't really know pop up warms my heart. I feel the larger world 
presence. 

I know I don't fall into the lurker category.  Don't quite understand why as 
I had been a behind the scenes, in the shadows for most of my life and career.  
Somehow Open Space gave me to courage to blurt instead of lurk and... blurt I 
still do. Often feeling that what I have to say may not have the depth of 
knowledge that others have but I'll self-admit to wearing my heart on my sleeve 
more and more as I grow older. It's because I've seen Open Space unlock so many 
hearts, giving so many the courage to speak up and step out though I also honor 
the huge value of silence and presence. All part of life and open space. 

When I started speaking out loud on this list, I felt uncomfortable, not 
wanting to draw attention to myself (still feel that way) but what surprised me 
most were the notes sent to me privately appreciating that what I had said, 
they felt too. Others encouraged me to keep writing. And then like others, at 
times I felt the disapproval (real or perceived), I felt insecure and it scared 
me but it also made me grow. I'm still growing inside. 

Our conversation this week with Dan and others  was imbued with deep sharing 
and questions. We spoke our own experience on the OS list and wondered about 
others...do we feel safe to speak our contrary views, do others?  If Harrison 
or those with long experience in Open Space speak their wisdom and it may not 
be ours, does it feel comfortable to speak up and counter those views? Is it 
shutting down the dialogue?   Does the OS list in its written form limit how we 
can push our own boundaries? Words  can be so limiting.  Then we talked about 
Tricia's weekly Skype call which has opened a deeper and different  sharing.  
We all agreed that the OS list is invaluable and so rich in so many ways.  

And then I mentioned love ... the deep love for many and with many in this 
community, a love that ultimately should create giant spaces for conflict, for 
discordant views, for harmony, for celebration, for a knot in our stomach or 
the  warm fuzzy feeling of gratitude. 

Yup... I still have that knot in my stomach right now hoping that all this 
doesn't sound too mushy or raw. Coming from the business world, it was not 
often welcome to bring the whole of us to work, the playful, the emotional and 
the serious side. I still feel that way but a lot less.

Enough said for today.  Big hugs to all, lurkers and non-lurkers.  We are all 
welcome here! And may we make room for many more and welcome them too. 

Suzanne




Suzanne Daigle
Open Space Facilitator
NuFocus Strategic Group

FL 941-359-8877
Cell: 203-722-2009
www.nufocusgroup.com http://www.nufocusgroup.com 
s.dai...@nufocusgroup.com mailto:s.dai...@nufocusgroup.com 
Twitter @Daiglesuz

 

 

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Liz Martins via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org  wrote:

Hey - I'm here too, not posting often, but taking in the gifts of this list 
with much gratitude and passing them on in the world. 

Liz

 

Liz Martins

UK




On 11 Dec 2014, at 11:29, Donnan Stoicovy via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org  wrote:

Another lurker in Pennsylvania!

 

On Dec 11, 2014, at 1:10 AM, Christy Lee-Engel via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org  wrote:





Hi Daniel and everyone,

I haven't yet gotten used to the modern meaning of lurker and don't ever 
identify as one. But I've been an OSList subscriber  once-in-a-blue-moon 
post-er since 2003 (that is: since first being life-changingly introduced to 
OST). 

My active participation is in the listening/reading space at the rim; and in 
being in deep friendship with people whom I 

Re: [OSList] Are You a frequent Lurker on OSLIST?

[Koos de Heer via OSList]

Hi Dan,

 

Thanks for the invitation. I have grown from lurker to frequent contributer and 
back to lurker again.

 

I have done many Open Space events and for a few years I have been trying to 
co-ordinate a bit of community here in the Netherlands. So I consider myself 
knowledgeable enough to contribute. Often I have so many things to do that I 
don’t give myself the time to sit down and write a thorough, well thought 
reply. Now that I write this, I realize that it is not necessary to put the bar 
that high. It does not always have to be of academic quality – a simple sharing 
will do too. So this is a note to myself.

 

I have no problem voicing a different opinion and I have always felt respected 
and welcomed on this list. So my silence has nothing to do with feeling 
intimidated.

 

Much love 

 

Koos

 

Van: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] Namens Suzanne 
Daigle via OSList
Verzonden: donderdag 11 december 2014 15:54
Aan: Liz Martins; World wide Open Space Technology email list
Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] Are You a frequent Lurker on OSLIST?

 

Dear Dan, thank you so much for posting this invitation. To see so many names 
that I don't really know pop up warms my heart. I feel the larger world 
presence. 

I know I don't fall into the lurker category.  Don't quite understand why as 
I had been a behind the scenes, in the shadows for most of my life and career.  
Somehow Open Space gave me to courage to blurt instead of lurk and... blurt I 
still do. Often feeling that what I have to say may not have the depth of 
knowledge that others have but I'll self-admit to wearing my heart on my sleeve 
more and more as I grow older. It's because I've seen Open Space unlock so many 
hearts, giving so many the courage to speak up and step out though I also honor 
the huge value of silence and presence. All part of life and open space. 

When I started speaking out loud on this list, I felt uncomfortable, not 
wanting to draw attention to myself (still feel that way) but what surprised me 
most were the notes sent to me privately appreciating that what I had said, 
they felt too. Others encouraged me to keep writing. And then like others, at 
times I felt the disapproval (real or perceived), I felt insecure and it scared 
me but it also made me grow. I'm still growing inside. 

Our conversation this week with Dan and others  was imbued with deep sharing 
and questions. We spoke our own experience on the OS list and wondered about 
others...do we feel safe to speak our contrary views, do others?  If Harrison 
or those with long experience in Open Space speak their wisdom and it may not 
be ours, does it feel comfortable to speak up and counter those views? Is it 
shutting down the dialogue?   Does the OS list in its written form limit how we 
can push our own boundaries? Words  can be so limiting.  Then we talked about 
Tricia's weekly Skype call which has opened a deeper and different  sharing.  
We all agreed that the OS list is invaluable and so rich in so many ways.  

And then I mentioned love ... the deep love for many and with many in this 
community, a love that ultimately should create giant spaces for conflict, for 
discordant views, for harmony, for celebration, for a knot in our stomach or 
the  warm fuzzy feeling of gratitude. 

Yup... I still have that knot in my stomach right now hoping that all this 
doesn't sound too mushy or raw. Coming from the business world, it was not 
often welcome to bring the whole of us to work, the playful, the emotional and 
the serious side. I still feel that way but a lot less.

Enough said for today.  Big hugs to all, lurkers and non-lurkers.  We are all 
welcome here! And may we make room for many more and welcome them too. 

Suzanne




Suzanne Daigle
Open Space Facilitator
NuFocus Strategic Group

FL 941-359-8877
Cell: 203-722-2009
www.nufocusgroup.com http://www.nufocusgroup.com 
s.dai...@nufocusgroup.com mailto:s.dai...@nufocusgroup.com 
Twitter @Daiglesuz

 

 

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Liz Martins via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org  wrote:

Hey - I'm here too, not posting often, but taking in the gifts of this list 
with much gratitude and passing them on in the world. 

Liz

 

Liz Martins

UK




On 11 Dec 2014, at 11:29, Donnan Stoicovy via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org  wrote:

Another lurker in Pennsylvania!

 

On Dec 11, 2014, at 1:10 AM, Christy Lee-Engel via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org  wrote:





Hi Daniel and everyone,

I haven't yet gotten used to the modern meaning of lurker and don't ever 
identify as one. But I've been an OSList subscriber  once-in-a-blue-moon 
post-er since 2003 (that is: since first being life-changingly introduced to 
OST). 

My active participation is in the listening/reading space at the rim; and in 
being in deep friendship with people whom I 

Re: [OSList] Are You a frequent Lurker on OSLIST?

[Koos de Heer via OSList]

Hi Dan,

 

Thanks for the invitation. I have grown from lurker to frequent contributer and 
back to lurker again.

 

I have done many Open Space events and for a few years I have been trying to 
co-ordinate a bit of community here in the Netherlands. So I consider myself 
knowledgeable enough to contribute. Often I have so many things to do that I 
don’t give myself the time to sit down and write a thorough, well thought 
reply. Now that I write this, I realize that it is not necessary to put the bar 
that high. It does not always have to be of academic quality – a simple sharing 
will do too. So this is a note to myself.

 

I have no problem voicing a different opinion and I have always felt respected 
and welcomed on this list. So my silence has nothing to do with feeling 
intimidated.

 

Much love 

 

Koos

 

Van: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] Namens Suzanne 
Daigle via OSList
Verzonden: donderdag 11 december 2014 15:54
Aan: Liz Martins; World wide Open Space Technology email list
Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] Are You a frequent Lurker on OSLIST?

 

Dear Dan, thank you so much for posting this invitation. To see so many names 
that I don't really know pop up warms my heart. I feel the larger world 
presence. 

I know I don't fall into the lurker category.  Don't quite understand why as 
I had been a behind the scenes, in the shadows for most of my life and career.  
Somehow Open Space gave me to courage to blurt instead of lurk and... blurt I 
still do. Often feeling that what I have to say may not have the depth of 
knowledge that others have but I'll self-admit to wearing my heart on my sleeve 
more and more as I grow older. It's because I've seen Open Space unlock so many 
hearts, giving so many the courage to speak up and step out though I also honor 
the huge value of silence and presence. All part of life and open space. 

When I started speaking out loud on this list, I felt uncomfortable, not 
wanting to draw attention to myself (still feel that way) but what surprised me 
most were the notes sent to me privately appreciating that what I had said, 
they felt too. Others encouraged me to keep writing. And then like others, at 
times I felt the disapproval (real or perceived), I felt insecure and it scared 
me but it also made me grow. I'm still growing inside. 

Our conversation this week with Dan and others  was imbued with deep sharing 
and questions. We spoke our own experience on the OS list and wondered about 
others...do we feel safe to speak our contrary views, do others?  If Harrison 
or those with long experience in Open Space speak their wisdom and it may not 
be ours, does it feel comfortable to speak up and counter those views? Is it 
shutting down the dialogue?   Does the OS list in its written form limit how we 
can push our own boundaries? Words  can be so limiting.  Then we talked about 
Tricia's weekly Skype call which has opened a deeper and different  sharing.  
We all agreed that the OS list is invaluable and so rich in so many ways.  

And then I mentioned love ... the deep love for many and with many in this 
community, a love that ultimately should create giant spaces for conflict, for 
discordant views, for harmony, for celebration, for a knot in our stomach or 
the  warm fuzzy feeling of gratitude. 

Yup... I still have that knot in my stomach right now hoping that all this 
doesn't sound too mushy or raw. Coming from the business world, it was not 
often welcome to bring the whole of us to work, the playful, the emotional and 
the serious side. I still feel that way but a lot less.

Enough said for today.  Big hugs to all, lurkers and non-lurkers.  We are all 
welcome here! And may we make room for many more and welcome them too. 

Suzanne




Suzanne Daigle
Open Space Facilitator
NuFocus Strategic Group

FL 941-359-8877
Cell: 203-722-2009
www.nufocusgroup.com http://www.nufocusgroup.com 
s.dai...@nufocusgroup.com mailto:s.dai...@nufocusgroup.com 
Twitter @Daiglesuz

 

 

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Liz Martins via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org  wrote:

Hey - I'm here too, not posting often, but taking in the gifts of this list 
with much gratitude and passing them on in the world. 

Liz

 

Liz Martins

UK




On 11 Dec 2014, at 11:29, Donnan Stoicovy via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org  wrote:

Another lurker in Pennsylvania!

 

On Dec 11, 2014, at 1:10 AM, Christy Lee-Engel via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org  wrote:





Hi Daniel and everyone,

I haven't yet gotten used to the modern meaning of lurker and don't ever 
identify as one. But I've been an OSList subscriber  once-in-a-blue-moon 
post-er since 2003 (that is: since first being life-changingly introduced to 
OST). 

My active participation is in the listening/reading space at the rim; and in 
being in deep friendship with people whom I