Re: [OSList] Warm Data Labs - Nora Bateson

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On 1 Jun 2020, at 3:57 pm, Jeroen Vermeer via OSList 
mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:

Although much has been said already on this topic, I'd like to offer my 
insights as a trained WDL host. Simply put: don't even try to compare OST and 
WDL, just not worth the exercise. The Warm Data Lab has been designed as a 
process to let people experience the rich interdependencies of complex systems 
and questions. It can for example serve as a precursor to an OST event, or be a 
standalone process. It has no purpose other than to create a lived experience 
(and thereby altered perception) of the participants on the interdependencies. 
As Nora Bateson likes to say "perception is action", so it's effects are not to 
be underestimated. The process itself looks to be very simple, but there's 
actually a lot to it, which goes well beyond what I can explain. Please follow 
Nora Bateson herself through the many writings she has shared or the podcasts 
she has taken a part in. Watch her fillm 'An ecology of Mind', or take her 
training ;)

Warm regards,
Hartelijke groet,

Jeroen Vermeer

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> greetings from Berlin where I enjoy the last spring days and the open 
> beer garden in my neighborhood... its not the same thing as a couple of 
> martini cocktails so I have no new insights...
> 
> I wonder what a "Cold Data Lab" would look like or even a "Hot Data Lab" 
> or a "Temperate Data Lab" or a "Fragrant Data Lab"...
> 
> Be on the watch for Holy Spirit in the next couple of days
> 
> mmp
> Am 30.05.2020 um 13:20 schrieb Robyn Williams ► via OSList:
> > Thanks Thomas, I agree, that’s why ‘open space’ was in lower case. J
> > 
> > Def not OST!
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Re: [OSList] Warm Data Labs - Nora Bateson

[Jeroen Vermeer via OSList]

Although much has been said already on this topic, I'd like to offer my 
insights as a trained WDL host. Simply put: don't even try to compare OST and 
WDL, just not worth the exercise. The Warm Data Lab has been designed as a 
process to let people experience the rich interdependencies of complex systems 
and questions. It can for example serve as a precursor to an OST event, or be a 
standalone process. It has no purpose other than to create a lived experience 
(and thereby altered perception) of the participants on the interdependencies. 
As Nora Bateson likes to say "perception is action", so it's effects are not to 
be underestimated. The process itself looks to be very simple, but there's 
actually a lot to it, which goes well beyond what I can explain. Please follow 
Nora Bateson herself through the many writings she has shared or the podcasts 
she has taken a part in. Watch her fillm 'An ecology of Mind', or take her 
training ;)

Warm regards,
Hartelijke groet,

Jeroen Vermeer

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On Sat, May 30, 2020, 8:07 AM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList 
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To write "open space" in lower case is my trademark, so please, respect it

greetings from Berlin where I enjoy the last spring days and the open
beer garden in my neighborhood... its not the same thing as a couple of
martini cocktails so I have no new insights...

I wonder what a "Cold Data Lab" would look like or even a "Hot Data Lab"
or a "Temperate Data Lab" or a "Fragrant Data Lab"...

Be on the watch for Holy Spirit in the next couple of days

mmp
Am 30.05.2020 um 13:20 schrieb Robyn Williams ► via OSList:
> Thanks Thomas, I agree, that’s why ‘open space’ was in lower case. J
>
> Def not OST!
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> All the best, Robyn
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Re: [OSList] Warm Data Labs - Nora Bateson

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Ha ha, cheers Michael!

On Sat, May 30, 2020, 8:07 AM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> To write "open space" in lower case is my trademark, so please, respect it
>
> greetings from Berlin where I enjoy the last spring days and the open
> beer garden in my neighborhood... its not the same thing as a couple of
> martini cocktails so I have no new insights...
>
> I wonder what a "Cold Data Lab" would look like or even a "Hot Data Lab"
> or a "Temperate Data Lab" or a "Fragrant Data Lab"...
>
> Be on the watch for Holy Spirit in the next couple of days
>
> mmp
> Am 30.05.2020 um 13:20 schrieb Robyn Williams ► via OSList:
> > Thanks Thomas, I agree, that’s why ‘open space’ was in lower case. J
> >
> > Def not OST!
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Re: [OSList] Warm Data Labs - Nora Bateson

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

To write "open space" in lower case is my trademark, so please, respect it

greetings from Berlin where I enjoy the last spring days and the open 
beer garden in my neighborhood... its not the same thing as a couple of 
martini cocktails so I have no new insights...


I wonder what a "Cold Data Lab" would look like or even a "Hot Data Lab" 
or a "Temperate Data Lab" or a "Fragrant Data Lab"...


Be on the watch for Holy Spirit in the next couple of days

mmp
Am 30.05.2020 um 13:20 schrieb Robyn Williams ► via OSList:

Thanks Thomas, I agree, that’s why ‘open space’ was in lower case. J

Def not OST!

All the best, Robyn

M: 0424 587 262


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Re: [OSList] Warm Data Labs - Nora Bateson

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Thanks Thomas, I agree, that’s why ‘open space’ was in lower case.  J

 

Def not OST!

 

 

All the best, Robyn

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Re: [OSList] Warm Data Labs - Nora Bateson

[Robyn Williams ► via OSList]

Hi

 

Contexts:  This WDL is 5 weekly online sessions. 

 

Last week the overall invitation was “What’s Happening?”  It was apparent that 
our shared ‘covid world’ experience was obvious and connecting.  

 

Yesterday the question was “What’s essential?”

 

In this iteration of WDL, each breakout group is presented with a triad of big 
picture notions, eg “Family, Technology, Economics”.  So huge for 25 mins, that 
it was almost incidental.  Caring and considered sharing happened.

 

I look forward to debriefing with my friend, one of the organisers, about how 
and why the stimulus questions or provocations were chosen.

 

I hear you Michael.  Why bother?  That’s why to participate I had to suspend my 
dis-belief.  I’ll evaluate it with more rigour after the 5 sessions.  What will 
I learn and understood differently?  What is the pace of WDL in the world of 
open spaces.

 

So, really appreciat the interest and gentle tussle by open-spacers.  Thank you 
all J

 

 

All the best, Robyn

M: 0424 587 262

 

From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Jake 
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Sent: Friday, 29 May 2020 6:29 PM
To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
Cc: Jake Yeager
Subject: Re: [OSList] Warm Data Labs - Nora Bateson

 

Hi Robyn, Jeff, and Bhavesh,

 

Thanks for sharing. Any indication of what "contexts" are set at each table?

 

All the best,

Jake



 

When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and you 
will be free of problems.

 - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/> 

 

 

On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 4:51 AM Jeff Aitken via OSList 
 wrote:

Certainly the Law is being used. 

 

The Principles that help us with detachment may not need to be raised, because 
there are no topic convenors to get attached to their topics and who comes to 
them. All the topics (contexts) are chosen by the facilitator in advance.

 

Jeff

 

On Fri, May 29, 2020, 1:21 AM Bhavesh Patel via OSList 
 wrote:

Sounds interesting, I read this on the website:

 

"The format of the Warm Data Lab is simple, even though the theory that 
underpins it is not. 

*   A chosen complex issue is provided by the room;
*   Start by being seated 3-6 to a table ( depending on the size of the 
group).
*   Each table has a “context” on it that will be the frame through which 
the “complex issue” is discussed at that table. (at least 6 contexts)
*   Participants (as individuals) discuss at the tables as long as they 
wish before changing tables. They move when they want to another table or 
“context.”
*   There are no time limits, or set instructions. Participants join and 
leave conversations as they wish.
*   The process usually takes at least an hour, and can be continued.
*   Discussion"

Sounds like the Principles and Law of OST are being used?

 

 

On Fri, 29 May 2020 at 09:52, Robyn Williams ► via OSList 
 wrote:

Hi

 

Is anyone familiar or experienced with warm Data Labs (Nora Bateson)?  I’m 
wondering about the comparison and contrast with OST.  Your thoughts?

 

I’m currently participating in 5-weekly Zoom sessions intended to offer an 
experiential introduction to this process.

 

Warm Data Labs are group processes, which illustrate interdependency and 
generate understandings of systemic patterns for people with no previous 
exposure to systems theory. Warm Data Labs enable new societal responses to 
complex challenges.

https://batesoninstitute.org/warm-data-labs/

 

 

 

All the best, 

Robyn Williams

M: 0424 587 262

 

 

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Re: [OSList] Warm Data Labs - Nora Bateson

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Hi Robyn

To me this is very very far from an Open Space Technology meeting. So I 
wouldn’t say its an “open space with a tilt”. It’s just something very 
different even if there are some individual elements that also exist in an OST 
meeting.

All the best

 

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Från: OSList  För Robyn Williams ? via 
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Ämne: Re: [OSList] Warm Data Labs - Nora Bateson

 

Yes, another open space with a tilt.

 

Warm wishes, Robyn Williams

M: 0424 587 262

 

From: Bhavesh Patel [mailto:bhavm...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, 29 May 2020 4:03 PM
To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
Cc: Robyn Williams ►
Subject: Re: [OSList] Warm Data Labs - Nora Bateson

 

Sounds interesting, I read this on the website:

 

"The format of the Warm Data Lab is simple, even though the theory that 
underpins it is not. 

*   A chosen complex issue is provided by the room;
*   Start by being seated 3-6 to a table ( depending on the size of the 
group).
*   Each table has a “context” on it that will be the frame through which 
the “complex issue” is discussed at that table. (at least 6 contexts)
*   Participants (as individuals) discuss at the tables as long as they 
wish before changing tables. They move when they want to another table or 
“context.”
*   There are no time limits, or set instructions. Participants join and 
leave conversations as they wish.
*   The process usually takes at least an hour, and can be continued.
*   Discussion"

Sounds like the Principles and Law of OST are being used?

 

 

On Fri, 29 May 2020 at 09:52, Robyn Williams ► via OSList 
mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > wrote:

Hi

 

Is anyone familiar or experienced with warm Data Labs (Nora Bateson)?  I’m 
wondering about the comparison and contrast with OST.  Your thoughts?

 

I’m currently participating in 5-weekly Zoom sessions intended to offer an 
experiential introduction to this process.

 

Warm Data Labs are group processes, which illustrate interdependency and 
generate understandings of systemic patterns for people with no previous 
exposure to systems theory. Warm Data Labs enable new societal responses to 
complex challenges.

https://batesoninstitute.org/warm-data-labs/

 

 

 

All the best, 

Robyn Williams

M: 0424 587 262

 

 

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Re: [OSList] Warm Data Labs - Nora Bateson

[Robyn Williams ► via OSList]

Yes, another open space with a tilt.

 

Warm wishes, Robyn Williams

M: 0424 587 262

 

From: Bhavesh Patel [mailto:bhavm...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, 29 May 2020 4:03 PM
To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
Cc: Robyn Williams ►
Subject: Re: [OSList] Warm Data Labs - Nora Bateson

 

Sounds interesting, I read this on the website:

 

"The format of the Warm Data Lab is simple, even though the theory that 
underpins it is not. 

*   A chosen complex issue is provided by the room;
*   Start by being seated 3-6 to a table ( depending on the size of the 
group).
*   Each table has a “context” on it that will be the frame through which 
the “complex issue” is discussed at that table. (at least 6 contexts)
*   Participants (as individuals) discuss at the tables as long as they 
wish before changing tables. They move when they want to another table or 
“context.”
*   There are no time limits, or set instructions. Participants join and 
leave conversations as they wish.
*   The process usually takes at least an hour, and can be continued.
*   Discussion"

Sounds like the Principles and Law of OST are being used?

 

 

On Fri, 29 May 2020 at 09:52, Robyn Williams ► via OSList 
 wrote:

Hi

 

Is anyone familiar or experienced with warm Data Labs (Nora Bateson)?  I’m 
wondering about the comparison and contrast with OST.  Your thoughts?

 

I’m currently participating in 5-weekly Zoom sessions intended to offer an 
experiential introduction to this process.

 

Warm Data Labs are group processes, which illustrate interdependency and 
generate understandings of systemic patterns for people with no previous 
exposure to systems theory. Warm Data Labs enable new societal responses to 
complex challenges.

https://batesoninstitute.org/warm-data-labs/

 

 

 

All the best, 

Robyn Williams

M: 0424 587 262

 

 

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Re: [OSList] Warm Data Labs - Nora Bateson

[Robyn Williams ► via OSList]

Hi Jeff, thank you for your interest.

 

Your description is pretty much my thoughts and reflections so far.

 

I was invited to this WDL by a dear friend, who has a glad heart and an 
enquiring mind, and is part of the organising group.  We’ve also chatted about 
OST.  

 

Message to Self: Don’t Over Think It

 

Yesterday, the second of 5 sessions, I turned up with a shift in attitude, due 
I believe in having committed to get out of my way J  There’s a stated aim in 
WDL to reach beyond one’s usual shtick (my words) when sitting in the 
conversational spaces.  And there’s a aspiration to allow ’warm data’ to come 
through, to connect and consider complex systems with grace and openness.  
Lovely.  I’m reminded of Quaker circles.   

 

OST would be a natural next step to activate any WDL outcome beyond the space 
to be open. 

 

 

Cheers

Robyn Williams

M: 0424 587 262

 

From: Jeff Aitken [mailto:r.jeff.ait...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, 29 May 2020 3:41 PM
To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
Cc: Robyn Williams ►
Subject: Re: [OSList] Warm Data Labs - Nora Bateson

 

Hi Robyn. I experienced one WDL and reflected on it with some other OS 
practitioners. 

 

One late night attempt to compare designs might be: it's kind of like a world 
cafe with a broad theme and breakout tables; but the topics at each table are 
prechosen as distinct contexts to inquire into, regarding the larger theme; 
there are no designated table or topic hosts; and the OS law of mobility is in 
effect, so the small groups shift in size regularly as people move and converse.

 

My early OS experiences allowed me to focus on the journey of learning that I 
was able to enjoy in the space, because these meetings were not focused on 
outcomes for an organization. So we all shared our learnings from our journeys 
into the closing circle. I found that the WDL had a similar quality to this.

 

Jeff

Telegraph Hill, San Francisco

 

 

 

On Thu, May 28, 2020, 11:52 PM Robyn Williams ► via OSList 
 wrote:

Hi

 

Is anyone familiar or experienced with warm Data Labs (Nora Bateson)?  I’m 
wondering about the comparison and contrast with OST.  Your thoughts?

 

I’m currently participating in 5-weekly Zoom sessions intended to offer an 
experiential introduction to this process.

 

Warm Data Labs are group processes, which illustrate interdependency and 
generate understandings of systemic patterns for people with no previous 
exposure to systems theory. Warm Data Labs enable new societal responses to 
complex challenges.

https://batesoninstitute.org/warm-data-labs/

 

 

 

All the best, 

Robyn Williams

M: 0424 587 262

 

 

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Re: [OSList] Warm Data Labs - Nora Bateson

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

>From the website, one example of six contexts for a theme, which seems the
minimum number for a good lab:

"For example, if one is to study the ways in which food impacts our lives,
a multifaceted study of ecology, culture, agriculture, economy,
cross-generational communication, and media must take place. This
transcontextual platform provides a wider contextual framework for further
inquiry into what forms and constitutes certain international contemporary
issues such as eating disorders, starvation, and other health problems
associated with diet."

On Fri, May 29, 2020, 11:57 PM Jeff Aitken  wrote:

> Hi Jake. This is where the training offered by Nora and colleagues is
> likely very helpful.
>
> To access a transcontextual learning experience, the Warm Data Lab is
> thoughtfully designed with a range of contexts from which participants
> would engage the central theme question.
>
> Learning to develop a wise variety is likely a goal of the training.
>
> There were about 10 contexts in the WDL that I experienced - but i don't
> recall them all! As an educator interested in cultures, i spent lots of
> time in the 'education' and 'culture' context breakouts.
>
> To Michael's point, I didnt feel the need to raise a topic for the meeting
> to have value for me; like in a good World Cafe, the invitation to converse
> in depth on a juicy theme with good people was enough. And I learned a lot.
>
> Warmly
> Jeff
> Telegraph Hill, San Francisco
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 29, 2020, 3:29 AM Jake Yeager  wrote:
>
>> Hi Robyn, Jeff, and Bhavesh,
>>
>> Thanks for sharing. Any indication of what "contexts" are set at each
>> table?
>>
>> All the best,
>> Jake
>> 
>>
>> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
>> you will be free of problems.
>>  - Robert Adams 
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 4:51 AM Jeff Aitken via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Certainly the Law is being used.
>>>
>>> The Principles that help us with detachment may not need to be raised,
>>> because there are no topic convenors to get attached to their topics and
>>> who comes to them. All the topics (contexts) are chosen by the facilitator
>>> in advance.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 29, 2020, 1:21 AM Bhavesh Patel via OSList <
>>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>
 Sounds interesting, I read this on the website:

 *"The format of the Warm Data Lab is simple, even though the theory
 that underpins it is not. *

- *A chosen complex issue is provided by the room;*
- *Start by being seated 3-6 to a table ( depending on the size of
the group).*
- *Each table has a “context” on it that will be the frame through
which the “complex issue” is discussed at that table. (at least 6 
 contexts)*
- *Participants (as individuals) discuss at the tables as long as
they wish before changing tables. They move when they want to another 
 table
or “context.”*
- *There are no time limits, or set instructions. Participants join
and leave conversations as they wish.*
- *The process usually takes at least an hour, and can be
continued.*
- *Discussion"*

 Sounds like the Principles and Law of OST are being used?


 On Fri, 29 May 2020 at 09:52, Robyn Williams ► via OSList <
 oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hi
>
>
>
> Is anyone familiar or experienced with warm Data Labs (Nora Bateson)?
> I’m wondering about the comparison and contrast with OST.  Your thoughts?
>
>
>
> I’m currently participating in 5-weekly Zoom sessions intended to
> offer an experiential introduction to this process.
>
>
>
> *Warm Data Labs** are group processes, which illustrate
> interdependency and generate understandings of systemic patterns for 
> people
> with no previous exposure to systems theory. Warm Data Labs enable new
> societal responses to complex challenges.*
>
> https://batesoninstitute.org/warm-data-labs/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Robyn Williams
>
> M: 0424 587 262
>
>
>
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Re: [OSList] Warm Data Labs - Nora Bateson

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Hi Jake. This is where the training offered by Nora and colleagues is
likely very helpful.

To access a transcontextual learning experience, the Warm Data Lab is
thoughtfully designed with a range of contexts from which participants
would engage the central theme question.

Learning to develop a wise variety is likely a goal of the training.

There were about 10 contexts in the WDL that I experienced - but i don't
recall them all! As an educator interested in cultures, i spent lots of
time in the 'education' and 'culture' context breakouts.

To Michael's point, I didnt feel the need to raise a topic for the meeting
to have value for me; like in a good World Cafe, the invitation to converse
in depth on a juicy theme with good people was enough. And I learned a lot.

Warmly
Jeff
Telegraph Hill, San Francisco



On Fri, May 29, 2020, 3:29 AM Jake Yeager  wrote:

> Hi Robyn, Jeff, and Bhavesh,
>
> Thanks for sharing. Any indication of what "contexts" are set at each
> table?
>
> All the best,
> Jake
> 
>
> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
> you will be free of problems.
>  - Robert Adams 
>
>
> On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 4:51 AM Jeff Aitken via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Certainly the Law is being used.
>>
>> The Principles that help us with detachment may not need to be raised,
>> because there are no topic convenors to get attached to their topics and
>> who comes to them. All the topics (contexts) are chosen by the facilitator
>> in advance.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> On Fri, May 29, 2020, 1:21 AM Bhavesh Patel via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds interesting, I read this on the website:
>>>
>>> *"The format of the Warm Data Lab is simple, even though the theory that
>>> underpins it is not. *
>>>
>>>- *A chosen complex issue is provided by the room;*
>>>- *Start by being seated 3-6 to a table ( depending on the size of
>>>the group).*
>>>- *Each table has a “context” on it that will be the frame through
>>>which the “complex issue” is discussed at that table. (at least 6 
>>> contexts)*
>>>- *Participants (as individuals) discuss at the tables as long as
>>>they wish before changing tables. They move when they want to another 
>>> table
>>>or “context.”*
>>>- *There are no time limits, or set instructions. Participants join
>>>and leave conversations as they wish.*
>>>- *The process usually takes at least an hour, and can be continued.*
>>>- *Discussion"*
>>>
>>> Sounds like the Principles and Law of OST are being used?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 29 May 2020 at 09:52, Robyn Williams ► via OSList <
>>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>
 Hi



 Is anyone familiar or experienced with warm Data Labs (Nora Bateson)?
 I’m wondering about the comparison and contrast with OST.  Your thoughts?



 I’m currently participating in 5-weekly Zoom sessions intended to offer
 an experiential introduction to this process.



 *Warm Data Labs** are group processes, which illustrate
 interdependency and generate understandings of systemic patterns for people
 with no previous exposure to systems theory. Warm Data Labs enable new
 societal responses to complex challenges.*

 https://batesoninstitute.org/warm-data-labs/







 All the best,

 Robyn Williams

 M: 0424 587 262




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Re: [OSList] Warm Data Labs - Nora Bateson

[Jake Yeager via OSList]

Hi Robyn, Jeff, and Bhavesh,

Thanks for sharing. Any indication of what "contexts" are set at each table?

All the best,
Jake


When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
you will be free of problems.
 - Robert Adams 


On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 4:51 AM Jeff Aitken via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Certainly the Law is being used.
>
> The Principles that help us with detachment may not need to be raised,
> because there are no topic convenors to get attached to their topics and
> who comes to them. All the topics (contexts) are chosen by the facilitator
> in advance.
>
> Jeff
>
> On Fri, May 29, 2020, 1:21 AM Bhavesh Patel via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Sounds interesting, I read this on the website:
>>
>> *"The format of the Warm Data Lab is simple, even though the theory that
>> underpins it is not. *
>>
>>- *A chosen complex issue is provided by the room;*
>>- *Start by being seated 3-6 to a table ( depending on the size of
>>the group).*
>>- *Each table has a “context” on it that will be the frame through
>>which the “complex issue” is discussed at that table. (at least 6 
>> contexts)*
>>- *Participants (as individuals) discuss at the tables as long as
>>they wish before changing tables. They move when they want to another 
>> table
>>or “context.”*
>>- *There are no time limits, or set instructions. Participants join
>>and leave conversations as they wish.*
>>- *The process usually takes at least an hour, and can be continued.*
>>- *Discussion"*
>>
>> Sounds like the Principles and Law of OST are being used?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 29 May 2020 at 09:52, Robyn Williams ► via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is anyone familiar or experienced with warm Data Labs (Nora Bateson)?
>>> I’m wondering about the comparison and contrast with OST.  Your thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m currently participating in 5-weekly Zoom sessions intended to offer
>>> an experiential introduction to this process.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Warm Data Labs** are group processes, which illustrate interdependency
>>> and generate understandings of systemic patterns for people with no
>>> previous exposure to systems theory. Warm Data Labs enable new societal
>>> responses to complex challenges.*
>>>
>>> https://batesoninstitute.org/warm-data-labs/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> Robyn Williams
>>>
>>> M: 0424 587 262
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [OSList] Warm Data Labs - Nora Bateson

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

Dear Robyn and Jeff and Bhav and you others,

when topics are chosen by the facilitator there are no issues from the 
participants. Without issues, no need to meet.
As os facilitator I am deeply attached to doing nothing so that I can be 
fully present and at the same time invisable.


I enjoy myself with these kinds of exchanges on various approaches and 
the meaning and weight of "words"... and have no experience with Warm 
Data Lab...


Have a great day wherever you are
Greetings from Berlin

mmp
Am 29.05.2020 um 10:45 schrieb Jeff Aitken via OSList:

Certainly the Law is being used.

The Principles that help us with detachment may not need to be raised, 
because there are no topic convenors to get attached to their topics and 
who comes to them. All the topics (contexts) are chosen by the 
facilitator in advance.


Jeff

On Fri, May 29, 2020, 1:21 AM Bhavesh Patel via OSList 
mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> 
wrote:


Sounds interesting, I read this on the website:

/"The format of the Warm Data Lab is simple, even though the theory
that underpins it is not. /

  * /A chosen complex issue is provided by the room;/
  * /Start by being seated 3-6 to a table ( depending on the size of
the group)./
  * /Each table has a “context” on it that will be the frame through
which the “complex issue” is discussed at that table. (at least
6 contexts)/
  * /Participants (as individuals) discuss at the tables as long as
they wish before changing tables. They move when they want to
another table or “context.”/
  * /There are no time limits, or set instructions. Participants
join and leave conversations as they wish./
  * /The process usually takes at least an hour, and can be continued./
  * /Discussion"/

Sounds like the Principles and Law of OST are being used?


On Fri, 29 May 2020 at 09:52, Robyn Williams ► via OSList
mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:

Hi

__ __

Is anyone familiar or experienced with warm Data Labs (Nora
Bateson)?  I’m wondering about the comparison and contrast with
OST.  Your thoughts?

__ __

I’m currently participating in 5-weekly Zoom sessions intended
to offer an experiential introduction to this process.

__ __

*/Warm Data Labs/*/ are group processes, which illustrate
interdependency and generate understandings of systemic patterns
for people with no previous exposure to systems theory. Warm
Data Labs enable new societal responses to complex challenges./

https://batesoninstitute.org/warm-data-labs///




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Re: [OSList] Warm Data Labs - Nora Bateson

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Certainly the Law is being used.

The Principles that help us with detachment may not need to be raised,
because there are no topic convenors to get attached to their topics and
who comes to them. All the topics (contexts) are chosen by the facilitator
in advance.

Jeff

On Fri, May 29, 2020, 1:21 AM Bhavesh Patel via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Sounds interesting, I read this on the website:
>
> *"The format of the Warm Data Lab is simple, even though the theory that
> underpins it is not. *
>
>- *A chosen complex issue is provided by the room;*
>- *Start by being seated 3-6 to a table ( depending on the size of the
>group).*
>- *Each table has a “context” on it that will be the frame through
>which the “complex issue” is discussed at that table. (at least 6 
> contexts)*
>- *Participants (as individuals) discuss at the tables as long as they
>wish before changing tables. They move when they want to another table or
>“context.”*
>- *There are no time limits, or set instructions. Participants join
>and leave conversations as they wish.*
>- *The process usually takes at least an hour, and can be continued.*
>- *Discussion"*
>
> Sounds like the Principles and Law of OST are being used?
>
>
> On Fri, 29 May 2020 at 09:52, Robyn Williams ► via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>>
>>
>> Is anyone familiar or experienced with warm Data Labs (Nora Bateson)?
>> I’m wondering about the comparison and contrast with OST.  Your thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m currently participating in 5-weekly Zoom sessions intended to offer
>> an experiential introduction to this process.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Warm Data Labs** are group processes, which illustrate interdependency
>> and generate understandings of systemic patterns for people with no
>> previous exposure to systems theory. Warm Data Labs enable new societal
>> responses to complex challenges.*
>>
>> https://batesoninstitute.org/warm-data-labs/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Robyn Williams
>>
>> M: 0424 587 262
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [OSList] Warm Data Labs - Nora Bateson

[Bhavesh Patel via OSList]

Sounds interesting, I read this on the website:

*"The format of the Warm Data Lab is simple, even though the theory that
underpins it is not. *

   - *A chosen complex issue is provided by the room;*
   - *Start by being seated 3-6 to a table ( depending on the size of the
   group).*
   - *Each table has a “context” on it that will be the frame through which
   the “complex issue” is discussed at that table. (at least 6 contexts)*
   - *Participants (as individuals) discuss at the tables as long as they
   wish before changing tables. They move when they want to another table or
   “context.”*
   - *There are no time limits, or set instructions. Participants join and
   leave conversations as they wish.*
   - *The process usually takes at least an hour, and can be continued.*
   - *Discussion"*

Sounds like the Principles and Law of OST are being used?


On Fri, 29 May 2020 at 09:52, Robyn Williams ► via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hi
>
>
>
> Is anyone familiar or experienced with warm Data Labs (Nora Bateson)?  I’m
> wondering about the comparison and contrast with OST.  Your thoughts?
>
>
>
> I’m currently participating in 5-weekly Zoom sessions intended to offer an
> experiential introduction to this process.
>
>
>
> *Warm Data Labs** are group processes, which illustrate interdependency
> and generate understandings of systemic patterns for people with no
> previous exposure to systems theory. Warm Data Labs enable new societal
> responses to complex challenges.*
>
> https://batesoninstitute.org/warm-data-labs/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Robyn Williams
>
> M: 0424 587 262
>
>
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Re: [OSList] Warm Data Labs - Nora Bateson

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Hi Robyn. I experienced one WDL and reflected on it with some other OS
practitioners.

One late night attempt to compare designs might be: it's kind of like a
world cafe with a broad theme and breakout tables; but the topics at each
table are prechosen as distinct contexts to inquire into, regarding the
larger theme; there are no designated table or topic hosts; and the OS law
of mobility is in effect, so the small groups shift in size regularly as
people move and converse.

My early OS experiences allowed me to focus on the journey of learning that
I was able to enjoy in the space, because these meetings were not focused
on outcomes for an organization. So we all shared our learnings from our
journeys into the closing circle. I found that the WDL had a similar
quality to this.

Jeff
Telegraph Hill, San Francisco



On Thu, May 28, 2020, 11:52 PM Robyn Williams ► via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hi
>
>
>
> Is anyone familiar or experienced with warm Data Labs (Nora Bateson)?  I’m
> wondering about the comparison and contrast with OST.  Your thoughts?
>
>
>
> I’m currently participating in 5-weekly Zoom sessions intended to offer an
> experiential introduction to this process.
>
>
>
> *Warm Data Labs** are group processes, which illustrate interdependency
> and generate understandings of systemic patterns for people with no
> previous exposure to systems theory. Warm Data Labs enable new societal
> responses to complex challenges.*
>
> https://batesoninstitute.org/warm-data-labs/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Robyn Williams
>
> M: 0424 587 262
>
>
>
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[OSList] Warm Data Labs - Nora Bateson

[Robyn Williams ► via OSList]

Hi

 

Is anyone familiar or experienced with warm Data Labs (Nora Bateson)?  I’m 
wondering about the comparison and contrast with OST.  Your thoughts?

 

I’m currently participating in 5-weekly Zoom sessions intended to offer an 
experiential introduction to this process.

 

Warm Data Labs are group processes, which illustrate interdependency and 
generate understandings of systemic patterns for people with no previous 
exposure to systems theory. Warm Data Labs enable new societal responses to 
complex challenges.

https://batesoninstitute.org/warm-data-labs/

 

 

 

All the best, 

Robyn Williams

M: 0424 587 262

 

 

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