Re: Error report: "Standard map" correct at a specific point, but not "Bike map" and others

[Karl Eke]

Thanks for your patience with me!
 
Now it is all right. Update works!

On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 2:51:28 PM UTC+2 rjgambrel wrote:

> Majka: I have run into this problem also in the past. Am sure your 
> explanation is the root cause of not seeing changes yet.
>
> Before seeing you answer I went into OSM and verified road is now 
> residential. Then went into OSMAND and downloaded Sweden map. I could see 
> the specific road segment was grayish, while others nearby where white. I 
> then downloaded current OSMAND Live map and it renders white (correct for 
> Resdiential road). I had also tried routing through the road with OSMAND, 
> and that worked.
>
> So, I concur with Majka. I believe everything is correct in the base map 
> and you will just have to wait for rendering of the tiles to propagate. 
>
> You did not mention if you were using OSMAND+ or OSMAND Live. I recommend 
> both. That will give you the absolute latest map that is available. I use 
> both so I can see OSM changes I make as soon as possible. Having said that 
> there are tiles that can take a while to update. I believe I have seen 
> delays as long as a few days maybe even a week. Others might know the worst 
> case.
>
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 4:10 AM Majka  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, 31 July 2020 10:21:40 UTC+2, Karl Eke wrote:
>>>
>>> Still cannot make it to work. 
>>> Changed the road to ""minor/unclassified" did not help. 
>>> Then changed to residential did not help either. 
>>> Any suggestions? Or trouble shooting ideas?
>>>
>>
>> Time... You are looking on layers which don't update very fast, you have 
>> simply wait for new rendering.
>>
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Re: Error report: "Standard map" correct at a specific point, but not "Bike map" and others

[Bob Gambrel]

Majka: I have run into this problem also in the past. Am sure your
explanation is the root cause of not seeing changes yet.

Before seeing you answer I went into OSM and verified road is now
residential. Then went into OSMAND and downloaded Sweden map. I could see
the specific road segment was grayish, while others nearby where white. I
then downloaded current OSMAND Live map and it renders white (correct for
Resdiential road). I had also tried routing through the road with OSMAND,
and that worked.

So, I concur with Majka. I believe everything is correct in the base map
and you will just have to wait for rendering of the tiles to propagate.

You did not mention if you were using OSMAND+ or OSMAND Live. I recommend
both. That will give you the absolute latest map that is available. I use
both so I can see OSM changes I make as soon as possible. Having said that
there are tiles that can take a while to update. I believe I have seen
delays as long as a few days maybe even a week. Others might know the worst
case.

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 4:10 AM Majka  wrote:

>
>
> On Friday, 31 July 2020 10:21:40 UTC+2, Karl Eke wrote:
>>
>> Still cannot make it to work.
>> Changed the road to ""minor/unclassified" did not help.
>> Then changed to residential did not help either.
>> Any suggestions? Or trouble shooting ideas?
>>
>
> Time... You are looking on layers which don't update very fast, you have
> simply wait for new rendering.
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Re: Error report: "Standard map" correct at a specific point, but not "Bike map" and others

[Majka]

On Friday, 31 July 2020 10:21:40 UTC+2, Karl Eke wrote:
>
> Still cannot make it to work. 
> Changed the road to ""minor/unclassified" did not help. 
> Then changed to residential did not help either. 
> Any suggestions? Or trouble shooting ideas?
>

Time... You are looking on layers which don't update very fast, you have 
simply wait for new rendering.

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Re: Error report: "Standard map" correct at a specific point, but not "Bike map" and others

[Karl Eke]

Still cannot make it to work. 
Changed the road to ""minor/unclassified" did not help. 
Then changed to residential did not help either. 
Any suggestions? Or trouble shooting ideas?

Best regards
Karl Eke

On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 12:35:56 PM UTC+2 Karl Eke wrote:

> Thanks, I will try and see gradually what is needed. 
>
> On Tuesday, July 28, 2020 at 2:43:15 PM UTC+2 rjgambrel wrote:
>
>> In looking OSM, this road is type: unknown. From the wiki, is this about 
>> unknown road types:
>>
>> Mappers should *not* expect that ways tagged like this will be useful to 
>> the end-user in any form. The ambiguity makes this rarely useful for data 
>> consumers. This has the following implications:
>>
>>- Do not expect highway 
>>=road to be rendered
>>- Do not expect highway 
>>=road to be routable
>>
>>
>> I don't know if this is the root cause of the non rendering you are 
>> seeing, but a first fix would be to update OSM to indicate the type of road 
>> it is. I suspect that will cause it to render correctly.
>>
>> Since it connects (among other things) a Tertiary road to a Residential 
>> road, and there is no other way to get to the residential road, it would 
>> probably be OK to change it to residential, or minor/unclassified road.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 5:59 AM Karl Eke  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, 
>>> I am a happy user and noticed an error for a specific point in Sweden. 
>>>
>>> At the standard map the road is there
>>> At the "Bike map" (translated to English) the road is *not* there
>>> At the "transport map" the road is *not* there
>>> At the "ÖPNV Karte" map the road is *not *there
>>> For the public GPS-tracks the road is there
>>>
>>> Road missing on some maps is in the centre of the link
>>> Standard map  (road 
>>> exist)
>>> Bike map (layer-C) 
>>>  (road 
>>> missing)
>>>
>>> If more questions email me
>>>
>>> BR
>>> Karl Eke
>>>
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Re: Error report: "Standard map" correct at a specific point, but not "Bike map" and others

[Karl Eke]

Thanks, I will try and see gradually what is needed. 

On Tuesday, July 28, 2020 at 2:43:15 PM UTC+2 rjgambrel wrote:

> In looking OSM, this road is type: unknown. From the wiki, is this about 
> unknown road types:
>
> Mappers should *not* expect that ways tagged like this will be useful to 
> the end-user in any form. The ambiguity makes this rarely useful for data 
> consumers. This has the following implications:
>
>- Do not expect highway 
>=road to be rendered
>- Do not expect highway 
>=road to be routable
>
>
> I don't know if this is the root cause of the non rendering you are 
> seeing, but a first fix would be to update OSM to indicate the type of road 
> it is. I suspect that will cause it to render correctly.
>
> Since it connects (among other things) a Tertiary road to a Residential 
> road, and there is no other way to get to the residential road, it would 
> probably be OK to change it to residential, or minor/unclassified road.
>
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 5:59 AM Karl Eke  wrote:
>
>> Hi, 
>> I am a happy user and noticed an error for a specific point in Sweden. 
>>
>> At the standard map the road is there
>> At the "Bike map" (translated to English) the road is *not* there
>> At the "transport map" the road is *not* there
>> At the "ÖPNV Karte" map the road is *not *there
>> For the public GPS-tracks the road is there
>>
>> Road missing on some maps is in the centre of the link
>> Standard map  (road 
>> exist)
>> Bike map (layer-C) 
>>  (road 
>> missing)
>>
>> If more questions email me
>>
>> BR
>> Karl Eke
>>
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Re: Error report: "Standard map" correct at a specific point, but not "Bike map" and others

[Bob Gambrel]

In looking OSM, this road is type: unknown. From the wiki, is this about
unknown road types:

Mappers should *not* expect that ways tagged like this will be useful to
the end-user in any form. The ambiguity makes this rarely useful for data
consumers. This has the following implications:

   - Do not expect highway 
   =road to be rendered
   - Do not expect highway 
   =road to be routable


I don't know if this is the root cause of the non rendering you are seeing,
but a first fix would be to update OSM to indicate the type of road it is.
I suspect that will cause it to render correctly.

Since it connects (among other things) a Tertiary road to a Residential
road, and there is no other way to get to the residential road, it would
probably be OK to change it to residential, or minor/unclassified road.

On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 5:59 AM Karl Eke  wrote:

> Hi,
> I am a happy user and noticed an error for a specific point in Sweden.
>
> At the standard map the road is there
> At the "Bike map" (translated to English) the road is *not* there
> At the "transport map" the road is *not* there
> At the "ÖPNV Karte" map the road is *not *there
> For the public GPS-tracks the road is there
>
> Road missing on some maps is in the centre of the link
> Standard map  (road
> exist)
> Bike map (layer-C)
>  (road
> missing)
>
> If more questions email me
>
> BR
> Karl Eke
>
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