Re: [Owlim-discussion] [Sesame] Few features request for upcoming 2.7
2. I was not aware that .pie is specific only to OWLIM, therefore my apology. What is then the standard format for rulewriting? What I mean is that in what format are predefined rulesets in Sesame Workbench stores? Main idea was to add custom ruleset in workbench, I agree that editing would not make much sense. 3. I understand that I can't change ruleset just like that... ,my point is that our application is still in developement and therefore I change ruleset from time to time (but I don't expect it is immediatedly applied to repository). I thought OWLIM compiles rules during creating new repository. Therefore I didn't expect changes in .pie are immediatedly used. Our common scenario is that : a. There is working repository with working ruleset. b. I would like to add some rules (but without recomputing them and without having additional rules file) c. If set of new rules will be final, I can drop the working repository and recreate it with new rules. It happened to me few times that I changed .pie file and then Tomcat restart came and I couldn't delete repository nor to create the same one with the new rules. Therefore I had to revert .pie file, delete repository and then I can again change .pie and create new repository. If it has some technical explanation I would accept it and try to avoid the same situations. It just happened to me few times and therefore I asked whether it is possible to change it. Best regards, Marek From: Barry Norton barry.nor...@ontotext.com To: owlim-discussion@ontotext.com Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2013, 12:24 Subject: Re: [Owlim-discussion] [Sesame] Few features request for upcoming 2.7 2. Since PIE is an OWLIM-specific rule format, it would not make sense to add this to the Sesame Workbench. The OWLIM Workbench already has an option to upload a custom ruleset. While editing is something that could be considered for the OWLIM Workbench, it's probably a feature that's used by only a small proportion of users, for a very small proportion of their time, that other features would be likely to be prioritised. 3. a) it's worth considering that rules are internalised, but this would make it more difficult to change the ruleset used in an existing repository (via SPARQL). Would it not just be easier, when you're using a custom ruleset, to create a separate ruleset file for each repository and a separate one to make edits? In the case of deletion I do agree (on the Sesame list) that having to initialise the repository before deleting it is a pain. Barry On 19/02/13 10:58, Barry Norton wrote: Marek, a number of these are OWLIM requests and I'll answer those separately on the owlim-discussion list... Barry On 19/02/13 10:55, Marek Surek wrote: Hi all, I would like to propose a few new features in upcoming 2.7 release. As I don't know whether 2.7 is not feature freeze for now, I post the features here. 1. Create repository in workbench directly from .ttl file 2. Create/add/edit custom ruleset in workbench (the ability to add custom .pie file would be great) 3. Change the behavior for deletition of repository. The problem is that when I slightly change .pie or remove .pie or .ttl file, I can't delete existing repository. The developers from Ontotext told me it is because Sesame needs to initialize repository first, but the initialization cannot be done. It is possible to change this behaviour in the way : a) the whole ttl and pie information will be stored in repository so there will be no need to have exactly the same files for the whole repository life and repository can be deleted anytime. b) the initalization of repository is not required when delete repository action. Is it possible to consider at least few of this features? Best regards, Marek -- View this message in context: http://sesame-general.435816.n3.nabble.com/Few-features-request-for-upcoming-2-7-tp4025791.html Sent from the sesame-general mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Sesame-general mailing list sesame-gene...@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sesame-general ___ Owlim-discussion mailing list Owlim-discussion@ontotext.com http://ontomail.semdata.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/owlim-discussion ___ Owlim-discussion mailing list Owlim-discussion@ontotext.com http://ontomail.semdata.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/owlim-discussion___ Owlim-discussion mailing list Owlim-discussion@ontotext.com http://ontomail.semdata.org/cgi-bin/mailman
Re: [Owlim-discussion] [Sesame] Few features request for upcoming 2.7
On 19/02/13 11:59, Marek Šurek wrote: 2. I was not aware that .pie is specific only to OWLIM, therefore my apology. What is then the standard format for rulewriting? What I mean is that in what format are predefined rulesets in Sesame Workbench stores? Main idea was to add custom ruleset in workbench, I agree that editing would not make much sense. No worries. There is no standard for Sesame, it doesn't have a general rule engine in any language to replace the rules used - this is one of the advantages of OWLIM. 3. I understand that I can't change ruleset just like that... ,my point is that our application is still in developement and therefore I change ruleset from time to time (but I don't expect it is immediatedly applied to repository). I thought OWLIM compiles rules during creating new repository. Therefore I didn't expect changes in .pie aris e immediatedly used. Our common scenario is that : a. There is working repository with working ruleset. b. I would like to add some rules (but without recomputing them and without having additional rules file) c. If set of new rules will be final, I can drop the working repository and recreate it with new rules. So new rules in the file at which the repository points are applied, after these are compiled (each start up), as new data is added. Note that this is different from re-inferring over the existing data (which is also possible). In order words the ruleset is not fixed for the lifetime of the repository. It happened to me few times that I changed .pie file and then Tomcat restart came and I couldn't delete repository nor to create the same one with the new rules. Therefore I had to revert .pie file, delete repository and then I can again change .pie and create new repository. If it has some technical explanation I would accept it and try to avoid the same situations. It just happened to me few times and therefore I asked whether it is possible to change it. For the reason above (that the rules executed on new data is added are changed according to the file contents) you should not edit the file (rather a copy) unless you're sure those are the rules you want executed. Barry *From:* Barry Norton barry.nor...@ontotext.com *To:* owlim-discussion@ontotext.com *Sent:* Tuesday, 19 February 2013, 12:24 *Subject:* Re: [Owlim-discussion] [Sesame] Few features request for upcoming 2.7 2. Since PIE is an OWLIM-specific rule format, it would not make sense to add this to the Sesame Workbench. The OWLIM Workbench already has an option to upload a custom ruleset. While editing is something that could be considered for the OWLIM Workbench, it's probably a feature that's used by only a small proportion of users, for a very small proportion of their time, that other features would be likely to be prioritised. 3. a) it's worth considering that rules are internalised, but this would make it more difficult to change the ruleset used in an existing repository (via SPARQL). Would it not just be easier, when you're using a custom ruleset, to create a separate ruleset file for each repository and a separate one to make edits? In the case of deletion I do agree (on the Sesame list) that having to initialise the repository before deleting it is a pain. Barry On 19/02/13 10:58, Barry Norton wrote: Marek, a number of these are OWLIM requests and I'll answer those separately on the owlim-discussion list... Barry On 19/02/13 10:55, Marek Surek wrote: Hi all, I would like to propose a few new features in upcoming 2.7 release. As I don't know whether 2.7 is not feature freeze for now, I post the features here. 1. Create repository in workbench directly from .ttl file 2. Create/add/edit custom ruleset in workbench (the ability to add custom .pie file would be great) 3. Change the behavior for deletition of repository. The problem is that when I slightly change .pie or remove .pie or .ttl file, I can't delete existing repository. The developers from Ontotext told me it is because Sesame needs to initialize repository first, but the initialization cannot be done. It is possible to change this behaviour in the way : a) the whole ttl and pie information will be stored in repository so there will be no need to have exactly the same files for the whole repository life and repository can be deleted anytime. b) the initalization of repository is not required when delete repository action. Is it possible to consider at least few of this features? Best regards, Marek -- View this message in context: http://sesame-general.435816.n3.nabble.com/Few-features-request-for-upcoming-2-7-tp4025791.html Sent from the sesame-general mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster
Re: [Owlim-discussion] [Sesame] Few features request for upcoming 2.7
As it is so, I will create separate pie file and deploy them when they will be ready. Thank you for your explanation. Marek From: Barry Norton barry.nor...@ontotext.com To: Marek Šurek marek_su...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: owlim-discussion@ontotext.com owlim-discussion@ontotext.com Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2013, 13:15 Subject: Re: [Owlim-discussion] [Sesame] Few features request for upcoming 2.7 On 19/02/13 11:59, Marek Šurek wrote: 2. I was not aware that .pie is specific only to OWLIM, therefore my apology. What is then the standard format for rulewriting? What I mean is that in what format are predefined rulesets in Sesame Workbench stores? Main idea was to add custom ruleset in workbench, I agree that editing would not make much sense. No worries. There is no standard for Sesame, it doesn't have a general rule engine in any language to replace the rules used - this is one of the advantages of OWLIM. 3. I understand that I can't change ruleset just like that... ,my point is that our application is still in developement and therefore I change ruleset from time to time (but I don't expect it is immediatedly applied to repository). I thought OWLIM compiles rules during creating new repository. Therefore I didn't expect changes in .pie aris e immediatedly used. Our common scenario is that : a. There is working repository with working ruleset. b. I would like to add some rules (but without recomputing them and without having additional rules file) c. If set of new rules will be final, I can drop the working repository and recreate it with new rules. So new rules in the file at which the repository points are applied, after these are compiled (each start up), as new data is added. Note that this is different from re-inferring over the existing data (which is also possible). In order words the ruleset is not fixed for the lifetime of the repository. It happened to me few times that I changed .pie file and then Tomcat restart came and I couldn't delete repository nor to create the same one with the new rules. Therefore I had to revert .pie file, delete repository and then I can again change .pie and create new repository. If it has some technical explanation I would accept it and try to avoid the same situations. It just happened to me few times and therefore I asked whether it is possible to change it. For the reason above (that the rules executed on new data is added are changed according to the file contents) you should not edit the file (rather a copy) unless you're sure those are the rules you want executed. Barry From: Barry Norton barry.nor...@ontotext.com To: owlim-discussion@ontotext.com Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2013, 12:24 Subject: Re: [Owlim-discussion] [Sesame] Few features request for upcoming 2.7 2. Since PIE is an OWLIM-specific rule format, it would not make sense to add this to the Sesame Workbench. The OWLIM Workbench already has an option to upload a custom ruleset. While editing is something that could be considered for the OWLIM Workbench, it's probably a feature that's used by only a small proportion of users, for a very small proportion of their time, that other features would be likely to be prioritised. 3. a) it's worth considering that rules are internalised, but this would make it more difficult to change the ruleset used in an existing repository (via SPARQL). Would it not just be easier, when you're using a custom ruleset, to create a separate ruleset file for each repository and a separate one to make edits? In the case of deletion I do agree (on the Sesame list) that having to initialise the repository before deleting it is a pain. Barry On 19/02/13 10:58, Barry Norton wrote: Marek, a number of these are OWLIM requests and I'll answer those separately on the owlim-discussion list... Barry On 19/02/13 10:55, Marek Surek wrote: Hi all, I would like to propose a few new features in upcoming 2.7 release. As I don't know whether 2.7 is not feature freeze for now, I post the features here. 1. Create repository in workbench directly from .ttl file 2. Create/add/edit custom ruleset in workbench (the ability to add custom .pie file would be great) 3. Change the behavior for deletition of repository. The problem is that when I slightly change .pie or remove .pie or .ttl file, I can't delete existing repository. The developers from Ontotext told me it is because Sesame needs to initialize repository first, but the initialization cannot be done. It is possible to change this behaviour in the way : a) the whole ttl and pie
