Re: vs 2010 and 2012
triple yes! On 15/01/13 12:28, ifum...@gmail.com wrote: Can you install vs 2012 in parallel with vs 2010? -- David Loo MCPD, MCP, MCTS http://www.davidloo.com
RE: vs 2010 and 2012
I'm rather curious as to why somebody would want to do that though if the 2012 version supersedes the previous one in so many ways? From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Loo Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 6:58 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: vs 2010 and 2012 triple yes! On 15/01/13 12:28, ifum...@gmail.commailto:ifum...@gmail.com wrote: Can you install vs 2012 in parallel with vs 2010? -- David Loo MCPD, MCP, MCTS http://www.davidloo.com
RE: vs 2010 and 2012
One example is that VS 2012 doesn't support MSI setup (.vdproj) projects.See the following blogs for additional differences:http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/vstudio/hh266747.aspxhttp://blogs.msdn.com/b/zainnab/archive/2012/06/05/visual-studio-2012-compatibility-aka-project-round-tripping.aspx Original Message Subject: RE: vs 2010 and 2012 From: Katherine Moss katherine.m...@gordon.edu Date: Tue, January 15, 2013 10:45 am To: ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com I’m rather curious as to why somebody would want to do that though if the 2012 version supersedes the previous one in so many ways?From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Loo Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 6:58 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: vs 2010 and 2012triple yes! On 15/01/13 12:28, ifum...@gmail.com wrote: Can you install vs 2012 in parallel with vs 2010?-- David Loo MCPD, MCP, MCTS http://www.davidloo.com
RE: vs 2010 and 2012
Vproj? Eew, use Wix instead! From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of a...@nomscon.com Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 11:15 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: vs 2010 and 2012 One example is that VS 2012 doesn't support MSI setup (.vdproj) projects. See the following blogs for additional differences: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/vstudio/hh266747.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/b/zainnab/archive/2012/06/05/visual-studio-2012-compatibility-aka-project-round-tripping.aspx Original Message Subject: RE: vs 2010 and 2012 From: Katherine Moss katherine.m...@gordon.edumailto:katherine.m...@gordon.edu Date: Tue, January 15, 2013 10:45 am To: ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com I’m rather curious as to why somebody would want to do that though if the 2012 version supersedes the previous one in so many ways? From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Loo Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 6:58 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: vs 2010 and 2012 triple yes! On 15/01/13 12:28, ifum...@gmail.commailto:ifum...@gmail.com wrote: Can you install vs 2012 in parallel with vs 2010? -- David Loo MCPD, MCP, MCTS http://www.davidloo.com
Re: vs 2010 and 2012
We've got our installers as vdproj. Is there a fancy converter ? :) Interestingly no one has been that interested in the installers and if its they're working then dont change it, so this is a real PITA for us... On 16/01/2013 6:16 AM, Katherine Moss wrote: Vproj? Eew, use Wix instead! *From:*ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *a...@nomscon.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2013 11:15 AM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* RE: vs 2010 and 2012 One example is that VS 2012 doesn't support MSI setup (.vdproj) projects. See the following blogs for additional differences: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/vstudio/hh266747.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/b/zainnab/archive/2012/06/05/visual-studio-2012-compatibility-aka-project-round-tripping.aspx Original Message Subject: RE: vs 2010 and 2012 From: Katherine Moss katherine.m...@gordon.edu mailto:katherine.m...@gordon.edu Date: Tue, January 15, 2013 10:45 am To: ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com I’m rather curious as to why somebody would want to do that though if the 2012 version supersedes the previous one in so many ways? *From:*_ozdotnet-bounces@ozdotnet.com_ mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [_mailto:ozdotnet-bounces@ozdotnet.com_] *On Behalf Of *David Loo *Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2013 6:58 AM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: vs 2010 and 2012 triple yes! On 15/01/13 12:28, _ifumust@gmail.com_ mailto:ifum...@gmail.com wrote: Can you install vs 2012 in parallel with vs 2010? -- David Loo MCPD, MCP, MCTS _http://www.davidloo.com_
RE: vs 2010 and 2012
Another is that the SQL BI projects are still all VS2010 based. Regards, Greg Dr Greg Low 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax SQL Down Under | Web: http://www.sqldownunder.com/ www.sqldownunder.com From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of a...@nomscon.com Sent: Wednesday, 16 January 2013 3:15 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: vs 2010 and 2012 One example is that VS 2012 doesn't support MSI setup (.vdproj) projects. See the following blogs for additional differences: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/vstudio/hh266747.aspx http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/vstudio/hh266747.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/b/zainnab/archive/2012/06/05/visual-studio-2012-compatibility-aka-project-round-tripping.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/b/zainnab/archive/2012/06/05/visual-studio-2012-compatibility-aka-project-round-tripping.aspx Original Message Subject: RE: vs 2010 and 2012 From: Katherine Moss mailto:katherine.m...@gordon.edu katherine.m...@gordon.edu Date: Tue, January 15, 2013 10:45 am To: ozDotNet mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com I’m rather curious as to why somebody would want to do that though if the 2012 version supersedes the previous one in so many ways? From: mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [ mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Loo Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 6:58 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: vs 2010 and 2012 triple yes! On 15/01/13 12:28, mailto:ifum...@gmail.com ifum...@gmail.com wrote: Can you install vs 2012 in parallel with vs 2010? -- David Loo MCPD, MCP, MCTS http://www.davidloo.com http://www.davidloo.com
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I think the problem is they were not working for too many people so vbproj was killed. On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Wallace Turner wallacetur...@gmail.comwrote: We've got our installers as vdproj. Is there a fancy converter ? :) Interestingly no one has been that interested in the installers and if its they're working then dont change it, so this is a real PITA for us...
Re: vs 2010 and 2012
It's annoying how the BI team isn't keeping up with the SQL team. We have the BI stuff stuff at VS2010, SQL Server at VS2012 (and VS2010), and to top it all to support existing software the BI stuff VS2008. I'd love to upgrade the Bi stuff to a better (slightly less opaque DTS/SSRS and more forgi\ving ) environment On 16 January 2013 11:20, Greg Low (GregLow.com) g...@greglow.com wrote: Another is that the SQL BI projects are still all VS2010 based. ** ** Regards, ** ** Greg ** ** Dr Greg Low ** ** 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913fax SQL Down Under | Web: *www.sqldownunder.com*http://www.sqldownunder.com/ ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *a...@nomscon.com *Sent:* Wednesday, 16 January 2013 3:15 AM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* RE: vs 2010 and 2012 ** ** One example is that VS 2012 doesn't support MSI setup (.vdproj) projects.* *** ** ** See the following blogs for additional differences: ** ** http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/vstudio/hh266747.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/b/zainnab/archive/2012/06/05/visual-studio-2012-compatibility-aka-project-round-tripping.aspx ** ** Original Message Subject: RE: vs 2010 and 2012 From: Katherine Moss katherine.m...@gordon.edu Date: Tue, January 15, 2013 10:45 am To: ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com I’m rather curious as to why somebody would want to do that though if the 2012 version supersedes the previous one in so many ways? *From:* *ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [* mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Loo *Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2013 6:58 AM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: vs 2010 and 2012 triple yes! On 15/01/13 12:28, *ifum...@gmail.com* ifum...@gmail.com wrote: Can you install vs 2012 in parallel with vs 2010? -- David Loo MCPD, MCP, MCTS *http://www.davidloo.com* http://www.davidloo.com -- regards, Preet, Overlooking the Ocean, Auckland
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Agreed. Wish it was there already. From previous announcements, I recall the RS team saying they’d have their one ready this quarter. Hope the others are on track to do the same. They’ve decoupled these releases from the shipping of the product. Regards, Greg Dr Greg Low 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax SQL Down Under | Web: http://www.sqldownunder.com/ www.sqldownunder.com From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Preet Sangha Sent: Wednesday, 16 January 2013 9:40 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: vs 2010 and 2012 It's annoying how the BI team isn't keeping up with the SQL team. We have the BI stuff stuff at VS2010, SQL Server at VS2012 (and VS2010), and to top it all to support existing software the BI stuff VS2008. I'd love to upgrade the Bi stuff to a better (slightly less opaque DTS/SSRS and more forgi\ving ) environment On 16 January 2013 11:20, Greg Low (GregLow.com) g...@greglow.com mailto:g...@greglow.com wrote: Another is that the SQL BI projects are still all VS2010 based. Regards, Greg Dr Greg Low 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 tel:%2B61%20419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 tel:%2B61%203%208676%204913 fax SQL Down Under | Web: http://www.sqldownunder.com/ www.sqldownunder.com From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ] On Behalf Of a...@nomscon.com mailto:a...@nomscon.com Sent: Wednesday, 16 January 2013 3:15 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: vs 2010 and 2012 One example is that VS 2012 doesn't support MSI setup (.vdproj) projects. See the following blogs for additional differences: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/vstudio/hh266747.aspx http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/vstudio/hh266747.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/b/zainnab/archive/2012/06/05/visual-studio-2012-compatibility-aka-project-round-tripping.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/b/zainnab/archive/2012/06/05/visual-studio-2012-compatibility-aka-project-round-tripping.aspx Original Message Subject: RE: vs 2010 and 2012 From: Katherine Moss mailto:katherine.m...@gordon.edu katherine.m...@gordon.edu Date: Tue, January 15, 2013 10:45 am To: ozDotNet mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com I’m rather curious as to why somebody would want to do that though if the 2012 version supersedes the previous one in so many ways? From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Loo Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 6:58 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: vs 2010 and 2012 triple yes! On 15/01/13 12:28, ifum...@gmail.com mailto:ifum...@gmail.com wrote: Can you install vs 2012 in parallel with vs 2010? -- David Loo MCPD, MCP, MCTS http://www.davidloo.com -- regards, Preet, Overlooking the Ocean, Auckland
Re: vs 2010 and 2012
Wallace, Craig et al You may recall a few months ago I was stung by this subtle and easily missed change. As a migration test I opened all of my solutions in VS2012 and ran a bulk bouild and I was surprised when it hiccuped on dozens of vdproj files! It's a serious impediment to quickly flipping over to VS2012 for all our live development. There is a vdproj to WiX xml converter, but it produces reams of unreadable xml and I didn't bother persuing it further. The output is useful as a tutorial however. I was pleasantly surprised by how well WiX was integrated into VS2010 and managed to get a couple of simple setup projects working reasonably quickly thanks to their good help and examples. However, old setup projects with custom dialogs in them have me blocked at the moment as you have to design the dialogs manually with x,y positions and lengths, a really tedious and fragile process (is there a WiX dialog designer??). I also haven't yet cracked how to make a WiX installer that behaves like an old IIS setup project. I spent all weeked in VS2012 and I notice that WiX setup projects now come out of the box. I haven't tried one yet. Greg
Re: vs 2010 and 2012
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote: Wallace, Craig et al You may recall a few months ago I was stung by this subtle and easily missed change. As a migration test I opened all of my solutions in VS2012 and ran a bulk bouild and I was surprised when it hiccuped on dozens of vdproj files! It's a serious impediment to quickly flipping over to VS2012 for all our live development. There is a vdproj to WiX xml converter, but it produces reams of unreadable xml and I didn't bother That implies that there is readable xml. :^) persuing it further. The output is useful as a tutorial however. I was pleasantly surprised by how well WiX was integrated into VS2010 and managed to get a couple of simple setup projects working reasonably quickly thanks to their good help and examples. However, old setup projects with custom dialogs in them have me blocked at the moment as you have to design the dialogs manually with x,y positions and lengths, a really tedious and fragile process (is there a WiX dialog designer??). I also haven't yet cracked how to make a WiX installer that behaves like an old IIS setup project. wix isn't bad, but why in h*ll did they have to write it in xml? Too lazy to write a text parser, you think? -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
