Re: [OT] Contracting PAYG vs ABN

2023-12-11 Thread Dan Cash via ozdotnet
*Recommendation*

If this is your "one job" ,  the cost and hassle of GST and PAYG
accounting,  quarterly / annual reporting probably make working through the
ABN more trouble than its worth.


*Background*

For contracting,  ABN is frequently tied to a company ("Interposed Entity")
setup both as a Services vehicle and circuit breaker to limit your personal
liability for contractual reasons.The Agency contracts your company,
your company employs you.

If you work through any ABN, you'll work need to register as a PAYG
Employer and SGC Contributor.


*ABN ("Personal Services Business")  == PAYG + "Extra Paperwork"*

If you take a 12 month contract +2 renewals, your ABN would represent a
"Personal Services Business" that cannot carry retained earnings from year
to year.  All business earnings after GST is treated as your Gross PAYG
Income, your PAYG  Tax return will  look very similar either way.

*So why use an ABN?*

1. Many contractors have side-gigs, maintain  their own commercial
software, or take a new contract every three months.  With enough income
from  Secondary sources, they may avoid PSB determination.

2. Some contractors direct income to a Family trust, permitting wealth
distribution across the family to minimise tax.

3.  For most ABN Holders, it's just easier to carry the same accounting
structure to manage banking/ deductions,  SGC etc regardless of where the
money's coming from today.

4.  Some use an ABN to avoid being treated as a "wages" employee to the
Agency, and take control of their own money.  Agencies will often "keep" a
portion of your contract income to "pay"  you between contracts / for sick
leave.  They may even keep a portion for "long service leave". For true
employees these are "on-costs", and come off the company's bottom line.
 For contractors, they're inventing ways to keep your money in their bank
account longer.  They can't try this with ABN holders.

So it's really a question of whether 1/12th of your money is better earning
interest in the Agency's bank account or yours.   If cash runs through your
fingers like drops of rain, then the Agency's PAYG plan is for You!   (You
can probably ask them NOT to retain anything when setting up your contract,
regardless of ABN.  Discuss with your Agent).

*ABN (company)Too hard?*

Twenty years ago you needed a company to setup your own Superfund and PIPL,
lease a vehicle or claim deductions.  But you could also pay your partner
as bookkeeper.  Gradual tightening of Australia's Company, Tax and Super
legislation has eroded any real benefit from running a Personal Services
Business through a company, while adding the overhead of quarterly or
monthly BAS reporting.

If you are intent on running a company structure and ABN without so much
pain, Companies like Contractor X-Change will setup and manage your
company, receive your income,  deduct the GST, lodge the reports and pay
you as Pla PAYG employee and put away 1/12th of your money in YOUR
account  for a 3% cut of your income.  They'll also facilitate Vehicle
leasing and FBT and any other extraordinary company purchases/expenses.

*Agency PI/PL?*

Most agencies will now extend their PI/PL cover to you either way, it's
just a deduction and some paperwork for them, and fairly inexpensive.   If
you carry your own PI/PL, it's an invite to offload liability on you
anyway.  The agency cover ONLY covers you for liability risk for that one
contract, while holding your own PIPL could cover all of your enterprises.


HTH.  It's all a bit rough and ready, I hate typing on my mobile.
I'm sure I've left holes, it's more just to give you some ideas.

Everyone's journey and needs are different.

Regards

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On Mon, 11 Dec 2023, 16:31 Tom P via ozdotnet, 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I’m getting asked by a recruiter whether I want to do PAYG or use a
> personal ABN for a contracting position. I never really understood why one
> would use an ABN as you’d need to get your own insurances etc. Can anybody
> explain?
>
> Cheers
> Tom
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Re: Many years ago

2023-12-08 Thread Dan Cash via ozdotnet
Thanks Alan.I used bsky-social-vqjpx-ripzb (I think .  The
brain-scattering is enbiggened today).

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On Fri, 8 Dec 2023, 09:16 Alan Ingleby via ozdotnet, 
wrote:

> bsky-social-vqjpx-ripzb
> bsky-social-3g3ga-riozy
> bsky-social-jctra-bhn5j
>
>
> On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 at 07:07, mike smith via ozdotnet <
> ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
>
>> Some more
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 6, 2023, 18:54 mike smith  wrote:
>>
>>> We'd post invite codes for Gmail, when it was beta and invite only.
>>>
>>> Here's some bsky invite codes, 3, if it doesn't work its been used
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
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Re: [OT] log4j Internet Doom

2021-12-21 Thread Dan Cash
lol.


On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 at 18:13, Dr Greg Low  wrote:

> I chuckled when I saw this again the other day:
>
>
>
>
>
> If only it wasn't true.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: https://sqldownunder.com |About me:
> https://greglow.me
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  *On
> Behalf Of *Greg Keogh
> *Sent:* Thursday, 16 December 2021 6:00 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet 
> *Subject:* [OT] log4j Internet Doom
>
>
>
> It's almost Friday ...
>
>
>
> Many of you might have read the blazing headlines everywhere that the
> whole Internet is about to crash because of a security vulnerability in
> log4j. I haven't written Java since early 2001, so I went looking for tech
> details.
>
>
>
> It turns out someone wrote an appender (in our log4net terms) that parsed
> a Uri out of a special bit of syntax, then blindly loaded and ran what was
> at the Uri. I mean, what could possibly go wrong? I think that this guilty
> JNDI appender is available by default, that is, it's in the JAR or
> something like that (I can't get further fine details on that).
>
>
>
> So it's a bit like *Aircrash Investigations* where it takes multiple
> things to go wrong and make a bigger wrong.
>
>
>
> Who could have imagined that a logging library would bring the Internet
> down?!
>
>
>
> *Greg*
>


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Re: [OT] UHF Check

2021-03-22 Thread Dan Cash
Yes, I got a warning for that one.Max attachment size was ?1Kb, my png
came in at 1.007Kb or something ...  serves me right for 'meme-ing'.  :(
I'll post or send you a copy.

I thought you cleared it quite quickly!

On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 at 09:00, David Connors  wrote:

> Couple of messages were clogged in the moderation queue because they're
> too big apparently.
>
> Do you guys get a notification when your messages are held? I don't pay
> too much attention to the notifications as 99.999% are because of
> probably spam so I just let them time out.
>
> David Connors
> da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363
> Telegram: https://t.me/davidconnors
> LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors
>
>
>
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 at 14:02, Dan Cash  wrote:
>
>> Check.
>>
>> On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 at 13:19, Greg Keogh  wrote:
>>
>>> My last 3 posts to this group bounced, and I notified David at Codify,
>>> but received no reply. Is the group active? -- *Greg Keogh*
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>

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Re: Routing ignore

2021-03-21 Thread Dan Cash
Hi Greg--

I understand that you want the '/download/' URL to bypass the Webassembly
service-worker.
Server-side, I'd old-school a server-rewrite (mod-rewrite / IISRewrite /
custom HTTPFilter) or Fiddle the site config handlers.  **sighs**

I found a SO article describing a deployment issue with escaping static
'/swagger' processing (worked OK on kestrel, but broke on IIS; something to
do with Browser cache?)
The solution was to edit  the '*onfetch(event)*' *function *in
*service-worker.published.js* in the *Blazor WebAssembly Client "wwwroot"
folder *and add a url exclusion for the /swagger folder.

   - URL Rewrite exceptions for Blazor WebAssembly Hosted deployment
   
<https://stackoverflow.com/questions/62073764/url-rewrite-exceptions-for-blazor-webassembly-hosted-deployment>


Perhaps this will work for '/downloads/' too?  e.g.

File: * service-worker.published.js*  (You might need to use
'service-worker.js')



async function *onFetch*(event) {
   .
   .

const shouldServeIndexHtml = event.request.mode === 'navigate'
&& !event.request.url.includes('/connect/')
&& !event.request.url.includes('/Identity/')*
&& !event.request.url.includes('/**download**/');*

   .
   .

}

HTH

Dan C.



On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 at 13:32, Greg Keogh  wrote:

> (UHF communication band established again)
>
> I have a question about Blazor Webassembly app routing, but I think Blazor
> uses the same routing logic as MVC (I think) so the question might be more
> general.
>
> Is there a way of configuring some routes to be ignored and passed on to
> be processed as static content?
>
> For example I want anything under /download/ to be ignored by the Blazor
> spp and just be static files for download. I've searched until my fingers
> ache, but I'll bet there's a trick I'm missing .. I hope.
>
> *Greg K*
>


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Re: [OT] UHF Check

2021-03-21 Thread Dan Cash
Check.

On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 at 13:19, Greg Keogh  wrote:

> My last 3 posts to this group bounced, and I notified David at Codify, but
> received no reply. Is the group active? -- *Greg Keogh*
>


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Re: OT: Robo Vacs

2020-01-20 Thread Dan Cash
I bought a Mint 4200 a few years back ... very basic, just pushes a pad
around, dust and hair accumulate at the front of the pad (static?) and
returns to it's spot when finished.
'Navigation beacons' I ran it once a week, or whenever wife was out
...crowded house, I'd pick up chairs and kids stuff from the floors, set it
up and go read a book.
Lower profile than the Roomba, and great for Wooden floors, was good
picking up dust and hair after three girls.   My wife complained it that it
dropped dust in the corners, but I didn't see the issue.

Mint were acquired by Roomba a few years back; newer versions have better
room partitioning and longer battery.
I've replaced the battery, and repaired the slipping wheel tracks, still
works OK in my new place (smaller, and less hair :) ).

On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 06:01, DotNet Dude  wrote:

> I found it depends on your floors and what your idea of clean is. Forget
> carpet. Tiles and timber floors they are ok, just ok. Not worth the money
> imo. You can sweep (those material heads, I forget the name) and do an
> equivalent if not better job in a few mins on hard floors.
>
> On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 at 21:50, David Connors  wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Very off topic but what success has anyone had here with robo vacs?
>>
>> Our 11 month old German Shepherd is blowing her coat and the place is dog
>> hair central hence the question.
>>
>> I know a few people who have had them but they've died after a few months
>> etc. The better ones that can self empty etc seem to be around the $1500
>> mark - which gets up there in price as we have two floors and they haven't
>> invented one that climbs stairs yet. :)
>>
>> David Connors
>> da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363
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>> LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors
>>
>>

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Re:

2019-12-23 Thread Dan Cash
Anywhere there's an input field, someone will try to give you their details
...  Saying  "please don't enter personally identifying information" is a
bit like saying "Please don't push this button".   How many people hit send
with their CC in the Name/address field because they were watching the
keyboard instead of where the cursor was?  Even with a validation error,
the information has processed, and probably transmitted.  Someone just
needs a regex pattern.

The standard Enterprise security baselines usually prevent .dmp files being
transmitted (policy or firewall) but they may still need to be destroyed.
Anything that was saved to a 'temp' file - including logs - can potentially
be harvested by next machine user on shared cloud infrastructure (not sure
about SSD backed SAN), which is why government / High Security clouds,
where users are basically buying the hosted infrastructure for guaranteed
exclusive use.


On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 at 11:14, mike smith  wrote:

> Consider that ultimate of all log files, a .dmp file.   Everything is
> going to be in that, and they typically get automatically sent when
> something goes wrong.
>
> Mike.
>
> On Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 09:03 Alan Ingleby  wrote:
>
>> I guess the key requirement here is "I'm about to write this string to a
>> log file, is there a chance there's a credit card number in here?".  All
>> other things considered, this is reasonably good safeguard.  I'd imaging if
>> the quick and dirty regex I listed picks anything up, you could do a
>> further mod10 to validate against valid credit card numbers etc.
>>
>> All seems a bit iffy though doesn't it.  If a CC # has gotten its way to
>> a log file, you really need to question your developers.
>>
>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 at 23:11, Grant Maw  wrote:
>>
>>> I thought all credit cards use the Mod10 (Kuhn) algorithm. I seem to
>>> remember it being a safeguard against data entry errors back in the day,
>>> so this is possibly a hangover from those days.
>>>
>>> We never validate card numbers.  We pass the card data to the processing
>>> gateway and let their APIs handle all that stuff. Less code for us to
>>> maintain.
>>>
>>> On Wed, 18 Dec. 2019, 3:33 pm Preet Sangha, 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Ed,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for that. We are an large enterprise platform doing thousands of
>>>> transactions via gateways - CC info is normally flowing through our code
>>>> except in the most secure of ways - we are PCI compliant. However to be
>>>> extra careful I'm trying to remove anything that looks like a known CC
>>>> shape from logging. It's to prevent issues in case someone inadvertently
>>>> stores CC in fields that they shouldn't. Yes there education but sometimes
>>>> mistakes happen.
>>>>
>>>> regards,
>>>> Preet, in Auckland NZ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 at 16:57,  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Preet,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don’t know of any libraries that handle this, but I do have a
>>>>> question for you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why are you validating credit card info?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I ask this because if you are validating card info then you are
>>>>> handling/processing card info. Any business handling credit card
>>>>> information should have PCI-DSS compliance.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Personally, I find it is much easier to use external providers (eway,
>>>>> paypal et al) to handle the whole payment process, meaning your code never
>>>>> needs to touch a credit card number and you never have to worry about
>>>>> compliance, *security etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Just a another random thought, YMMV.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Security of the card information
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  *On
>>>>> Behalf Of *Preet Sangha
>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 18 December 2019 2:41 PM
>>>>> *To:* ozDotNet 
>>>>> *Subject:*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Would anyone know of any credit card validation/detection or similar
>>>>> libraries that we may be able incorporate into our .net framework code
>>>>> (preferably in nuget form) in order to eliminate our own hand coded regexs
>>>>>  please?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards Preet
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> --
>> Alan Ingleby
>>
>

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Re: In praise of CSharpCodeProvider

2014-06-19 Thread Dan Cash
Nice.  Thanks Greg.


On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Katherine Moss katherine.m...@gordon.edu
wrote:

  PowerShell can also do that.



 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Keogh
 *Sent:* Sunday, June 15, 2014 7:35 PM
 *To:* ozDotNet
 *Subject:* In praise of CSharpCodeProvider



 Folks, FYI -- on the weekend I hit the situation where I had lots of small
 pieces of similar code and I wanted it to configure their behaviour. I
 could have created a fancy set of parameters and more complicated code to
 apply them, but I decided the most desirable thing was to script the
 code. I've seen some apps and tools that compile C# source on-the-fly but
 I've never needed to do it myself until now. I thought it would be really
 difficult, but it's not. Here's the skeleton of my code:



 var provider = new CSharpCodeProvider();
 var parameters = new CompilerParameters();
 parameters.GenerateInMemory = true;
 parameters.ReferencedAssemblies.Add(System.Security.dll);
 parameters.GenerateExecutable = false;
 var results = provider.CompileAssemblyFromSource(parameters, mySourceCode);
 if (results.Errors.HasErrors || results.Errors.HasWarnings) {
   /* do something with the error numbers and messages */
   return;
 }
 Type[] types = results.CompiledAssembly.GetTypes();



 So you finish up with an in-memory Assembly and you can use reflection to
 get types and Invoke members. Don't forget to use *dynamic* on the
 reflected types to make your reflection code shorter and more readable.



 Overall, the resulting code is a little bit fiddly, but it's a powerful
 technique that's overlooked by a lot of developers.



 *Greg K*




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Re: Recommendations for ASP.Net MVC book

2014-01-07 Thread Dan Cash
The Syncfusion 'Succinctly' series  is a range of free, short ebooks (~100
pages +/-)   .
http://www.syncfusion.com/resources/techportal/ebooks/  .   You might need
to register.

The series includes *ASP.NET MVC 4 Mobile Websites
Succinctly*http://www.syncfusion.com/resources/techportal/ebooks/aspnetmvc4,
by Lyle Luppes .   (
http://www.syncfusion.com/resources/techportal/ebooks/aspnetmvc4 ).

I'd done some Castle-on-Rails in the past, so this was enough to get me
going.



On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Jamie Surman jamiesur...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I don't think you are going to need to worry about the page life cycle in
 MVC - it's one of the nice things about MVC over webforms, they get rid of
 a lot of that level of complexity.

 I've recently read Professional ASP.net mvc 
 4http://www.amazon.com/Professional-ASP-NET-MVC-Jon-Galloway/dp/111834846X 
 by
 some of the legends at Microsoft (Jon Galloway, Phil Haack), which I think
 is an excellent book. I couldn't imagine having to write a webforms app
 again now.



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  *From:* Greg Keogh g...@mira.net
 *To:* ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
 *Sent:* Sunday, 5 January 2014 2:22 PM

 *Subject:* Re: Recommendations for ASP.Net MVC book

 Hi Iain, your message is well timed, as I'm also jumping head first into
 ASP.NET http://asp.net/ MVC because it seems popular and I'm hoping to
 find a neater alternative to the bloated mountain of gotchas that is
 WebForms.

 I had this book delivered two weeks ago: Programming ASP.NET MVC 4:
 Developing Real-World Web Applications with ASP.NET 
 MVChttp://www.amazon.com/Programming-ASP-NET-MVC-Developing-Applications/dp/1449320317.
 I also found a free PDF of the whole 
 bookhttp://www.google.com.au/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=ssource=webcd=4sqi=2ved=0CDwQFjADurl=http%3A%2F%2Fdl.e-book-free.com%2F2013%2F07%2Fprogramming_asp.net_mvc_4.pdfei=U7HIUq7ZFKSUiQfw9YGYDQusg=AFQjCNE0CEZXTR_G6WpS3smtlOo5ASciYgsig2=BL9OxxBD4CMj1FTVbjDbVwbvm=bv.58187178,d.dGIcad=rja
 .

 I don't recommend this book. Hundreds of pages are devoted to databases,
 testing, security, caching and building, which have little to do with the
 core of learning ASP.NET http://asp.net/ MVC. I'm angered by the lack
 of attention to the vitally important MVC coding techniques and how to
 manage the page lifecycle. The book does not contain enough information,
 discussion or samples to empower you to dive in and correctly structure and
 code a significant app.

 I'm going to buy another book. Maybe someone can recommend one for both of
 us.

 Greg K


 On 5 January 2014 09:58, Iain Carlin cut...@gmail.com wrote:

 Happy New Year all,

 I've resisted MVC for too long and have decided to update my knowledge
 from ASP.Net forms.

 I think the question may have been asked before but I can't find it in the
 archives, can anyone recommend a good book on the subject for someone who
 already knows ASP.Net pretty well but wants to start dabbling in MVC?

 Cheers,

 Iain







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Re: [OT] Friday - Conway (or.. Labor govt) once againdelaysInternetFilter

2010-07-10 Thread Dan Cash
+1
Sent via BlackBerry® from Telstra

-Original Message-
From: Trevor Andrew tand...@tassoc.com.au
Sender: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 18:48:41 
To: 'ozDotNet'ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
Reply-To: ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
Subject: RE: [OT] Friday - Conway (or.. Labor govt) once againdelaysInternet
Filter

Hi Guys,

 

I know this thread is marked as OT, but I don't think it even comes close to
being within that very broad scope for the OZDOTNET list . The majority of
recent posts have all been just opinions, and everyone has a right to hold
them, and I defend everyone's right to their own opinion.

 

But I'm pretty sure that this isn't the forum to express them.

 

Cheers,

Trevor Andrew

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of .net noobie
Sent: Saturday, 10 July 2010 3:04 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Friday - Conway (or.. Labor govt) once againdelaysInternet
Filter

 

Debt itself isn't a problem, this is garbage


debt does matter, it matters alot

more debt = less options
massive debt = no options

and spending money for the sake of votes is also garbage


i needed to make the correction also

On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Tony Wright ton...@tpg.com.au wrote:

Ah, naive, and so transparently biased. Labor do have a stack of policies,
it's just that they're mostly failures.

 

As opposed to Liberals who actually don't stand for anything other than
telling us one thing and then implementing the complete opposite.

 

A neighbour of mine used to say they were blue and bluer - the Liberal party
representing the rich and sucking in a whole lot of aspirational voters into
thinking that meant them as well, while Labor is the try-hard party, trying
to get the rich to like them as well, while still having problems with the
unions.

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of .net noobie
Sent: Saturday, 10 July 2010 1:24 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Friday - Conway (or.. Labor govt) once againdelaysInternet
Filter

 

Liberals actually have 2 whole policies now I believe.

 

Well that would be 2 more than Labor, lets face it, they just have a long
line of disasters/failures/wasted many many billions and debt your great
great grand children will still be paying off ;)

 

But if I think you follow politics a bit more closely they have a few more
positions/policies than 2

On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote:

'Tweedledum and Tweedledee 1,2,3,3' - The Albert Langer Story 

http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/CIB/1995-96/96cib14.htm 

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

  _  

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Ian Thomas
Sent: Friday, 9 July 2010 5:08 PM 


To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: [OT] Friday - Conway (or.. Labor govt) once againdelaysInternet
Filter

 

Greg

I'm not sure if you remember Albert Langer (decades ago, in Victoria), but
he was gaoled for a short time for infringing the electoral act by forming a
political party called Tweedle Dum  Tweedle Dee which encouraged people not
to vote. 

 



Ian Thomas

Victoria Park, Western Australia