Re: AI

[Tony Wright via ozdotnet]

It has helped me ramp up on a new job far faster than I've ever ramped up
before, and without having to ask questions of key busy staff. I've been
able to ask it to explain terminology as well in the sector I'm working in.
By not having to bother key people with what must  otherwise appear to them
as trivial questions, it increases my credibility. I only have to ask them
the more complicated domain related questions.

I'm also mainly a SQL Server person. My current job uses Oracle and MySQL.
I can ask it to show me examples of how to perform tasks that I do in SQL
Server but in Oracle or MySQL.

I can ask it to explain some Oracle procs/functions.

I can also provide it with code in one language and ask it to change it to
another language.

We use BuildKite at work. I have no interest in learning BuildKite. I have
given it a BuildKite script and asked it to translate it to a GitHub Action
script. It gets pretty close. Yes, I still need to debug the script, but
it's far easier if the general jist of the job is already there.

I have found that people most turned off AI are the ones that tried it in
the early days and haven't tried GPT-4, or are stuck on the free version. I
can understand people walking away after using GPT3.5. It simply gave
garbage answers at least half of the time, and so became a time waster.
Some people are stuck on the first AI they find most effective. I will most
likely suffer from this problem. Until someone proves that another AI is
better than the one I am using, I will find it difficult to move on. People
at work that tried GPT3.5 have pretty much refused to use Copilot. I think
that's a mistake, as it's only going to get better as time goes on and the
people willing to keep moving forward are the ones that will get the most
benefit from productivity improvements, potentially making the others look
bad or slow.

Hope that helps, enough from me for now!


On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 12:40 PM Tony Wright  wrote:

> I have also asked it to perform code reviews on code. It's pretty good at
> refactoring code, and giving you pointers on improvements. When staff raise
> pull requests, I have my own ideas, but I can also get Copilot to provide
> suggestions. (I also have Github Copilot, which work provides)  It's very
> good for help in understanding what historic code does too.
>
> In general I find it an invaluable tool. It won't be replacing us any time
> soon, but people that aren't using it will be less productive. Does it make
> me 30% more efficient? I don't "feel" it, but there's probably a lot of
> research time I am saving, and perhaps I don't even realise all the
> benefits it's giving me.
>
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 12:33 PM Tony Wright  wrote:
>
>> I call it my "low IQ assistant". If I have some menial task that I don't
>> feel like coding, I ask the AI to do it for me and it's usually pretty good
>> - except that you do need to check everything! You could ask a junior to do
>> the same thing.
>>
>> I have tested a number of AIs with a bunch of tech questions and the one
>> that got by far the highest score was Bing Chat - that said I didn't have
>> access to GPT-4 and Bing Chat is essentially GPT-4 but for free. It's now
>> called Copilot.
>>
>> I also use it for assisting in comprehending business requirements. I
>> take a doco and ask it to group common themes and produce summaries of the
>> requirements. Like most developers, my attention would be
>> struggling otherwise. I can also ask it to act like a BDD expert and
>> produce Gherkin statements for the testers.
>>
>> It helps a lot when I get stuck on a problem. I often get a much better
>> answer if I ask Bing Chat than if I try to Google it. That could, of
>> course, be a consequence of how bad Google has become at providing an
>> answer. Sometimes other people in the team have issues and they come to me
>> with a much more sophisticated problem. This might mean that I don't even
>> know the context of the issue they are having, but I can interrogate Bing
>> Chat and it will give me a response that is quite helpful in many cases.
>>
>> It helps when I want to get started on a new problem. I can ask it what I
>> think I need to know and it often returns answers that help me fine tune
>> what I am trying to do. Sometimes that requires multiple interactions. If
>> I'm looking for a new library to solve a problem, I can ask it for advice
>> on what to look at. It is often helpful, but sometimes makes wrong
>> assumptions about what I am trying to achieve. The important thing is it
>> gives me an idea of some libraries to consider.
>>
>> Finally, there comes a point at which its value drops and I am getting
>> better at detecting when that happens and...head to stack overflow.
>>
>>>
>>>
>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 12:25 PM Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet <
>> ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> There were other things I should have mentioned.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The new PowerPoint co-pilot where you just say “Prepare me a
>>> 

Re: AI

[Tony Wright via ozdotnet]

I have also asked it to perform code reviews on code. It's pretty good at
refactoring code, and giving you pointers on improvements. When staff raise
pull requests, I have my own ideas, but I can also get Copilot to provide
suggestions. (I also have Github Copilot, which work provides)  It's very
good for help in understanding what historic code does too.

In general I find it an invaluable tool. It won't be replacing us any time
soon, but people that aren't using it will be less productive. Does it make
me 30% more efficient? I don't "feel" it, but there's probably a lot of
research time I am saving, and perhaps I don't even realise all the
benefits it's giving me.

On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 12:33 PM Tony Wright  wrote:

> I call it my "low IQ assistant". If I have some menial task that I don't
> feel like coding, I ask the AI to do it for me and it's usually pretty good
> - except that you do need to check everything! You could ask a junior to do
> the same thing.
>
> I have tested a number of AIs with a bunch of tech questions and the one
> that got by far the highest score was Bing Chat - that said I didn't have
> access to GPT-4 and Bing Chat is essentially GPT-4 but for free. It's now
> called Copilot.
>
> I also use it for assisting in comprehending business requirements. I take
> a doco and ask it to group common themes and produce summaries of the
> requirements. Like most developers, my attention would be
> struggling otherwise. I can also ask it to act like a BDD expert and
> produce Gherkin statements for the testers.
>
> It helps a lot when I get stuck on a problem. I often get a much better
> answer if I ask Bing Chat than if I try to Google it. That could, of
> course, be a consequence of how bad Google has become at providing an
> answer. Sometimes other people in the team have issues and they come to me
> with a much more sophisticated problem. This might mean that I don't even
> know the context of the issue they are having, but I can interrogate Bing
> Chat and it will give me a response that is quite helpful in many cases.
>
> It helps when I want to get started on a new problem. I can ask it what I
> think I need to know and it often returns answers that help me fine tune
> what I am trying to do. Sometimes that requires multiple interactions. If
> I'm looking for a new library to solve a problem, I can ask it for advice
> on what to look at. It is often helpful, but sometimes makes wrong
> assumptions about what I am trying to achieve. The important thing is it
> gives me an idea of some libraries to consider.
>
> Finally, there comes a point at which its value drops and I am getting
> better at detecting when that happens and...head to stack overflow.
>
>>
>>
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 12:25 PM Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet <
> ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
>
>> There were other things I should have mentioned.
>>
>>
>>
>> The new PowerPoint co-pilot where you just say “Prepare me a presentation
>> about what’s in xyz.docx” is pretty amazing.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’ve used ChatGPT to rewrite marketing blurb for various things. It does
>> that very well. However, I’ve asked it to improve a paragraph of writing,
>> and find that something like the Hemmingway editor does a far superior job.
>>
>>
>>
>> In Teams, having the AI tool write a summary of what just happened in a
>> meeting is pretty stunning.
>>
>>
>>
>> We are going to just be using these tools all day long.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr Greg Low
>>
>>
>>
>> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile
>>
>> SQL Down Under | Web: https://sqldownunder.com
>> 
>>  |
>> About Greg:  https://about.me/greg.low
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Dr Greg Low
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2024 12:11 PM
>> *To:* ozDotNet 
>> *Cc:* Tom Gao 
>> *Subject:* RE: AI
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Tom,
>>
>>
>>
>> For me, it depends what you want it to do. It certainly can appear to
>> help someone who’s new to an area.
>>
>>
>>
>> For most code writing, I’ve been pretty underwhelmed. As an example, if I
>> ask it to write SQL, I get a very poor outcome. It will use old deprecated
>> views instead of the current system views (that have been around for a
>> decade), and often does things in a convoluted way.
>>
>>
>>
>> What I have been impressed with, is how it can help you understand
>> acronyms, etc. Quite amazing. I’ve also been pretty impressed with using it

Re: AI

[Tony Wright via ozdotnet]

I call it my "low IQ assistant". If I have some menial task that I don't
feel like coding, I ask the AI to do it for me and it's usually pretty good
- except that you do need to check everything! You could ask a junior to do
the same thing.

I have tested a number of AIs with a bunch of tech questions and the one
that got by far the highest score was Bing Chat - that said I didn't have
access to GPT-4 and Bing Chat is essentially GPT-4 but for free. It's now
called Copilot.

I also use it for assisting in comprehending business requirements. I take
a doco and ask it to group common themes and produce summaries of the
requirements. Like most developers, my attention would be
struggling otherwise. I can also ask it to act like a BDD expert and
produce Gherkin statements for the testers.

It helps a lot when I get stuck on a problem. I often get a much better
answer if I ask Bing Chat than if I try to Google it. That could, of
course, be a consequence of how bad Google has become at providing an
answer. Sometimes other people in the team have issues and they come to me
with a much more sophisticated problem. This might mean that I don't even
know the context of the issue they are having, but I can interrogate Bing
Chat and it will give me a response that is quite helpful in many cases.

It helps when I want to get started on a new problem. I can ask it what I
think I need to know and it often returns answers that help me fine tune
what I am trying to do. Sometimes that requires multiple interactions. If
I'm looking for a new library to solve a problem, I can ask it for advice
on what to look at. It is often helpful, but sometimes makes wrong
assumptions about what I am trying to achieve. The important thing is it
gives me an idea of some libraries to consider.

Finally, there comes a point at which its value drops and I am getting
better at detecting when that happens and...head to stack overflow.

>
>
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 12:25 PM Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet <
ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:

> There were other things I should have mentioned.
>
>
>
> The new PowerPoint co-pilot where you just say “Prepare me a presentation
> about what’s in xyz.docx” is pretty amazing.
>
>
>
> I’ve used ChatGPT to rewrite marketing blurb for various things. It does
> that very well. However, I’ve asked it to improve a paragraph of writing,
> and find that something like the Hemmingway editor does a far superior job.
>
>
>
> In Teams, having the AI tool write a summary of what just happened in a
> meeting is pretty stunning.
>
>
>
> We are going to just be using these tools all day long.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: https://sqldownunder.com
> 
>  |
> About Greg:  https://about.me/greg.low
> 
>
>
>
> *From:* Dr Greg Low
> *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2024 12:11 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet 
> *Cc:* Tom Gao 
> *Subject:* RE: AI
>
>
>
> Hi Tom,
>
>
>
> For me, it depends what you want it to do. It certainly can appear to help
> someone who’s new to an area.
>
>
>
> For most code writing, I’ve been pretty underwhelmed. As an example, if I
> ask it to write SQL, I get a very poor outcome. It will use old deprecated
> views instead of the current system views (that have been around for a
> decade), and often does things in a convoluted way.
>
>
>
> What I have been impressed with, is how it can help you understand
> acronyms, etc. Quite amazing. I’ve also been pretty impressed with using it
> go generate some test data, including in multiple languages. And the test
> data is fairly believable. If I ask it for family names, and I also ask for
> Chinese, it does pick common Chinese family names in the test output.
> That’s pretty impressive.
>
>
>
> It can do a reasonable job of things like “here’s some DAX code, can you
> simplify it?” It often can. Or “here’s a regular expression, can you
> explain what it does?” and it does that just fine. I’ve seen people happily
> using it to explain code that they don’t understand, or to (sort of)
> document some code.
>
>
>
> But it also is so confident on things, yet so wrong. I gave it a 25
> question baseball umpire test the other day. It was 100% confident
> sounding, but 40% correct. The weird thing is that some of the questions
> that it got right, are things that new human umpires often get wrong. Yet
> 

Re: Blazor popularity and use

[Tony Wright via ozdotnet]

Hi Greg, you need to raise a generic request for a fix to your mcid on the
certifications forum. I am dealing with it right now, and they are
switching email addresses for me. After I raised the issue, they opened up
a private message to get private info about my accounts. It's pretty much a
3 day process.

On Fri, 8 Sep 2023, 2:30 pm Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet, 
wrote:

> Agreed, but being one of the people who periodically need to consume many
> Microsoft internal apps and web sites, I will just have to differ on how
> effective I find them I’ve been so frustrated by some of the ones I
> need to use, that I’ve volunteered to help fix them. It would be quicker
> for me to fix the app for them, than to need to interact with it.
>
>
>
> But it’s Friday so:
>
>
>
> My biggest issues are still around identity. I’m having yet another week
> struggling to work out how to sort out issues with Microsoft identities. I
> do not understand why this needs to be so hard.
>
>
>
> *I’ve dealt with Amazon for a very long time. To this day, I still use the
> same identity I created when I first used them, and it works for all
> services that I purchase from them.*
>
> *Same with Google. Same with Apple, etc.*
>
>
>
> But with Microsoft, I’ve been pushed into needing a string of identities
> over the years, with incompatible identity systems, incompatible Microsoft
> service requirements for identity, etc.
>
>
>
> Why does this have to continue?
>
>
>
> And the support for this in many areas has moved to forum-based support
> that is extremely poor. Here’s a fine example of “support” that I received
> yesterday:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I’ve been trying to work out if that’s the worst “support” response I’ve
> ever received.
>
>
>
> So, I then guessed that I needed to contact MCP support, instead of MCT
> support (as clearly they don’t have a clue, even though they are closely
> associated), and today I woke up to:
>
>
>
> *A moderator has deleted a thread you were following, How do I change my
> email address on my certification profile?. It's possible that the thread
> was off topic, violated the Code of Conduct, or was just a duplicate
> thread.*
>
>
>
> I have no idea what the issue was as they’d already deleted the thread. It
> might be because I’m asking how to change the email address, and they
> assume that’s a duplicate. But I can’t find any previous discussion now,
> apart from changing it via the Learn profile, which clearly doesn’t work.
>
>
>
> I don’t get why there isn’t some Microsoft VP screaming at people to fix
> it. I know I want to, and I’m a calm person.
>
>
>
> It’s gone on way too long.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: https://sqldownunder.com | About Greg:
> https://about.me/greg.low
>
>
>
> *From:* David Connors via ozdotnet 
> *Sent:* Friday, September 8, 2023 1:55 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet 
> *Cc:* David Connors 
> *Subject:* Re: Blazor popularity and use
>
>
>
> On Fri, 8 Sept 2023 at 13:44, Dr Greg Low  wrote:
>
> Yep, we talk about browsers like there’s consistency there. There still
> isn’t. And it’s a huge hit on productivity. I see so much lost effort
> trying to align pixels across different browsers, different versions of
> browsers, etc. It’s just silly.
>
>
>
> I remember being on a web app project. I was doing the data bits, and
> there were 10 devs doing the web parts.
>
>
>
> After 6 months, I looked at what the other 10 had produced and knew I
> could have built that myself in a winform app in a fortnight, by myself.
>
>
>
> This is probably more down to approach. If they were building from scratch
> by themselves, then I agree, productivity will be terrible; however on the
> flip side, you have to remember that 80+% of the cost of software is after
> the code is written and in the support phase. For our internal apps, we use
> a commercial off the shelf theme and a couple of other components and stick
> with those. The consistency of UI layout, responsiveness across form
> factors etc is all done very cost effectively by using something like:
> https://angular-material.fusetheme.com/dashboards/project - best $700
> you'll ever spend.
>
>
>
> If ease of development was our primary concern we would all be building
> Microsoft Access apps.
>
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Re: Blazor popularity and use

[Tony Wright via ozdotnet]

bwahaha, that just sounds like confirmation bias.

The reason SSW might be seeing more Blazor is because that is what they are
convincing their customers to use.

But in terms of what is really happening out there, there are some stats
around, such as the following:
Most used web frameworks among developers 2023 | Statista
<https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124699/worldwide-developer-survey-most-used-frameworks-web/>

As far as a client framework goes, it looks like React is the winner with
40+%. NodeJs is a server side framework so it doesn't really count. Angular
and Angular 1 together make up about 25%. Blazor is only about 5%.
Interestingly, ASP.NET and ASP.NET CORE make up about 30%



On Fri, Sep 8, 2023 at 1:13 PM Greg Keogh via ozdotnet <
ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:

> If demand *for SSW* to use Blazor is overtaking JS, then I'd believe it.
> I saw the statement made.
>
> I've never met a living person who uses Flutter, or the Dart language for
> that matter. It would be a brave decision to choose that as a development
> platform for the future.
>
> Does MAUI generate browser hosted web apps? I didn't think it was made for
> that purpose, but maybe it does. I haven't looked yet.
>
> If you don't want to use a JavaScript framework, then Webassembly is the
> future. I see there is a proposal to take JavaScript out of the stack so
> that Wasm can talk directly to the browser DOM, which I think would be a
> great leap forward because the JS layer is an utterly useless link in the
> chain. Then we can finally consign JavaScript to the rubbish bin of history
> where it belongs.
>
> *GK*
>
> On Fri, 8 Sept 2023 at 12:47, Tony Wright via ozdotnet <
> ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
>
>> I agree. React demand is far higher than any other front end framework as
>> far as I can see. Angular ticks all the corporate governance boxes but it
>> is so unwieldy and requires so much boilerplate before getting to the
>> business logic it has really lost the war. Most of it comes down to
>> popularity. If something it discovered that it fast superior to everything
>> else, you usually see it rocket up the list. Blazor doesn't seem to be
>> doing that unfortunately. Vue should be more popular. NodeJs if you want a
>> pure JavaScript approach. But if you don't want a JavaScript framework what
>> choices do you have? .Net Maui? Flutter?
>>
>> On Fri, 8 Sep 2023, 12:31 pm DotNet Dude via ozdotnet, <
>> ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I find it very hard to believe Blazor demand has overtaken JS. That’s an
>>> insane comment from Adam
>>>
>>> On Fri, 8 Sep 2023 at 12:05, Greg Keogh via ozdotnet <
>>> ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is anyone here actively using Blazor on a decent sized project? I used
>>>>> it for a while on my last contract but am unable to find new work anywhere
>>>>> that uses Blazor, not a single one!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Compared to server-side ASP.NET and JS Frameworks, Blazor is a gift
>>>> from heaven .. well ... sort-of. Here's a Friday story.
>>>>
>>>> With the death of Silverlight, we had to replace an app with a quite
>>>> rich UI with something else, what?! Like many people, I was spitting chips
>>>> angry at the suggestion we must replace our Silverlight apps with HTML5
>>>> apps. The idea that HTML+CSS+JS could replace a WPF-like rich web UI made
>>>> me laugh and cry at the same time.
>>>>
>>>> Angular was really popular around 2018 so we got an offer to write a JS
>>>> replacement for $200/hr. I then decided to learn Angular and watched 5
>>>> hours of a 10 hour Angular course, at which point I gave up and said f**k
>>>> that s**t. Now what?
>>>>
>>>> Luckily, Blazor 0.9 was in preview around this time. I spent a whole
>>>> Sunday afternoon experimenting with Blazor. By the end of the day I had
>>>> quite a sophisticated hobby app working with only a few hundred lines of
>>>> coding, thanks to the familiarity of using VS, C# and Razor markup (with a
>>>> bit of JS). The same app in ASP.NET would have taken 5 times as long
>>>> and 5 times the code. The same app in Angular would have required
>>>> unfamiliar tooling and millions of lines of script.
>>>>
>>>> To answer your question, I have one quite complex Blazor app being used
>>>> by some huge US companies to analyse marketing data (using Telerik and
>>>> SpreadJS components to attempt to make charts and grids as fancy as was
>>&

Re: Blazor popularity and use

[Tony Wright via ozdotnet]

I agree. React demand is far higher than any other front end framework as
far as I can see. Angular ticks all the corporate governance boxes but it
is so unwieldy and requires so much boilerplate before getting to the
business logic it has really lost the war. Most of it comes down to
popularity. If something it discovered that it fast superior to everything
else, you usually see it rocket up the list. Blazor doesn't seem to be
doing that unfortunately. Vue should be more popular. NodeJs if you want a
pure JavaScript approach. But if you don't want a JavaScript framework what
choices do you have? .Net Maui? Flutter?

On Fri, 8 Sep 2023, 12:31 pm DotNet Dude via ozdotnet, <
ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:

> I find it very hard to believe Blazor demand has overtaken JS. That’s an
> insane comment from Adam
>
> On Fri, 8 Sep 2023 at 12:05, Greg Keogh via ozdotnet <
> ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
>
>> Is anyone here actively using Blazor on a decent sized project? I used it
>>> for a while on my last contract but am unable to find new work anywhere
>>> that uses Blazor, not a single one!
>>
>>
>> Compared to server-side ASP.NET and JS Frameworks, Blazor is a gift from
>> heaven .. well ... sort-of. Here's a Friday story.
>>
>> With the death of Silverlight, we had to replace an app with a quite rich
>> UI with something else, what?! Like many people, I was spitting chips angry
>> at the suggestion we must replace our Silverlight apps with HTML5 apps. The
>> idea that HTML+CSS+JS could replace a WPF-like rich web UI made me laugh
>> and cry at the same time.
>>
>> Angular was really popular around 2018 so we got an offer to write a JS
>> replacement for $200/hr. I then decided to learn Angular and watched 5
>> hours of a 10 hour Angular course, at which point I gave up and said f**k
>> that s**t. Now what?
>>
>> Luckily, Blazor 0.9 was in preview around this time. I spent a whole
>> Sunday afternoon experimenting with Blazor. By the end of the day I had
>> quite a sophisticated hobby app working with only a few hundred lines of
>> coding, thanks to the familiarity of using VS, C# and Razor markup (with a
>> bit of JS). The same app in ASP.NET would have taken 5 times as long and
>> 5 times the code. The same app in Angular would have required unfamiliar
>> tooling and millions of lines of script.
>>
>> To answer your question, I have one quite complex Blazor app being used
>> by some huge US companies to analyse marketing data (using Telerik and
>> SpreadJS components to attempt to make charts and grids as fancy as was
>> possible in Silverlight). I have a couple of smaller apps in live use, and
>> few little ones for utility use.
>>
>> I know the guys at Melbourne App Development
>>  are really keen on Blazor and
>> were using it for some serious apps just as it reached version 1.0. About
>> 18 months ago, Adam Cogan at SSW said during the preamble to one of their
>> monthly presentations, that Blazor demand had overtaken JS.
>>
>> I hope other people in here have similar stories.
>>
>> I must end on a sad note. ASP.NET, Blazor, JS, or whatever, all
>> finish-up rendering in a web browser. It's tragic that the ancient dumb web
>> browser is now the only host for web apps, and that we must attempt to
>> present serious business applications using HTML, CSS and JS. The web
>> browser was invented so we could have flame wars and look at pictures of
>> cats and porn, it's barely evolved since then and it's completely
>> inadequate for rendering business applications. Sure it can, but look at
>> the flaming hoops and all the weird quirks you have to jump through. Web
>> development is in a lamentable state.
>>
>> *Greg Keogh*
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Re: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b

[Tony Wright via ozdotnet]

It's a form of money laundering. Create a local project that you can
inflate all the invoices on. The goal is to shift public "taxpayer" money
into the hands of private operators, preferably your mates, and some of
that money will "somehow" end up in your hands. Even better if you hire a
company with an offshore subsidiary as it's much harder to track monetary
flow and can end up in your Caymans bank account.

If you want a fun way to look at pretty much everything in a different
light, I highly recommend watching the Ozark tv series.

Both major parties have been doing it, well, forever really.

On Wed, 30 Aug 2023, 12:00 pm mike smith via ozdotnet, <
ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:

> Why does every state government want to build their own Myki?
>
> Mike
>
> On Wed, 30 Aug 2023, 10:47 Greg Keogh via ozdotnet, 
> wrote:
>
>> Maybe we should set up OzDotNet Consultants specializing in government
>>> contracts? We could be swimming in cash!
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, when I see news about a planned $4bn IT project going ahead, I
>> think "I'll get some mates together and do it for half the price".
>>
>> A replacement MYKI system, no problems. As Homer Simpsons often says,
>> "How hard can it be?"
>>
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Re: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b

[Tony Wright via ozdotnet]

It's called money laundering. There are many ways to do it.

On Tue, 29 Aug 2023, 4:02 pm Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet, <
ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:

> I’ll bet it ends up reminiscent of the local hotel quarantine project.
> Unbelievable amounts spent on it but who authorised it? Apparently, no-one.
> Yet large sums were going out the door, and the “real” details need to
> remain secret.
>
>
>
> The Commonwealth Games? A fortune paid to consultants to do the costing,
> and when the price is $6B not $2B, no-one is apparently responsible, and
> worse, yet again, secrecy surrounds most of it.
>
>
>
> In Victoria, apparently we spent more on MyKi than NASA spent putting
> Curiosity on Mars, and NASA invented the Sky Crane as part of that project.
> We got a card system that’s already being replaced.
>
>
>
> The census debacle looks like a choice of the wrong technology, and wrong
> specifications for testing. But again, no heads roll when it happens.
>
>
>
> And so on, and so on.
>
>
>
> Apparently for this business register stuff, a primary issue is that the
> chosen platform didn’t go even close to meeting requirements or costs to
> modify. Yet,  again, I’ll bet no-one is responsible and wears the cost
> except the public.
>
>
>
> We just can’t keep doing this.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile
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>
> *From:* Dr Greg Low
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 29, 2023 3:51 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet 
> *Cc:* Tom Rutter 
> *Subject:* RE: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b
>
>
>
> It’s only public money, right?
>
>
>
> In the end, who is getting sacked? Who is being sued? Who is bearing
> direct consequences of this, apart from the public?
>
>
>
> My guess? No-one.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: https://sqldownunder.com | About Greg:
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>
>
> *From:* Tom Rutter via ozdotnet 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 29, 2023 3:02 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet 
> *Cc:* Tom Rutter 
> *Subject:* [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b
>
>
>
> Another one bites the dust…
>
>
>
>
> https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/bleeding-money-labor-scraps-morrison-business-register-overhaul-20230827-p5dzpa
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