Re: [OT] Java threatened?

2018-08-01 Thread Nathan Schultz 
When it comes to mobile development, having two or more code-bases is
extremely costly. So it's unsurprising that many businesses are considering
their options right now.

I do see Dart (via Flutter) and Kotlin in competition. Dart is instantly
familiar to a C# developer and backed by Google. So personally I'm
predicting Dart / Flutter to do really well. I'd put Kotlin as the
dark-horse at this stage.
There are other options too - such as Haxe - but I just don't see it
getting the commercial backing.


On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 at 18:13, David Connors  wrote:

> Should have said "I know the tldr" not "I don't the tldr"
>
> On Tue., 31 Jul. 2018, 8:12 pm David Connors,  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue., 31 Jul. 2018, 5:58 pm Nick Randolph, 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Android might well be the most widely adopted OS on Earth but
>>> https://medium.com/@drinfo/fuck-you-android-framework-ddbb02c4ae48
>>>
>> That guy is clearly pretty unhappy/unhinged. I don't the tldr of this
>> list is that it is developer focused but as a user though it is pretty hard
>> to argue with what a vanilla Android device like a pixel is like to use.
>>
>>> w.r.t. Kotlin – as an app developer I would skip it (mostly) and focus
>>> on Flutter. I say mostly because for the platform specific components,
>>> you’ll need to know it. For anyone interested in Sydney there is a meetup
>>> next Tuesday (https://www.meetup.com/gdgsydney/events/252175587/).
>>>
>> They're not the same thing. Flutter is a cross platform app framework and
>> kotlin is a language to augment/interop with/replace Java.
>>
>> In general, my view on cross platform is that it is a race to a lowest
>> common denominator of sorts.
>>
>> If I had to write an app and I had all the monies I would go native every
>> time. If I didn't have all the monies I would use something cross platform.
>> I struggle to understand why companies like Facebook stuff about with cross
>> platform frameworks for apps when they have unlimited money and relatively
>> simple apps to write.
>>
>> David
>>
>>
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>>  | +61 417 189 363
>>
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Re: [OT] Java threatened?

2018-07-31 Thread David Connors 
On Tue., 31 Jul. 2018, 5:58 pm Nick Randolph,  wrote:

> Android might well be the most widely adopted OS on Earth but
> https://medium.com/@drinfo/fuck-you-android-framework-ddbb02c4ae48
>
That guy is clearly pretty unhappy/unhinged. I don't the tldr of this list
is that it is developer focused but as a user though it is pretty hard to
argue with what a vanilla Android device like a pixel is like to use.

> w.r.t. Kotlin – as an app developer I would skip it (mostly) and focus on
> Flutter. I say mostly because for the platform specific components, you’ll
> need to know it. For anyone interested in Sydney there is a meetup next
> Tuesday (https://www.meetup.com/gdgsydney/events/252175587/).
>
They're not the same thing. Flutter is a cross platform app framework and
kotlin is a language to augment/interop with/replace Java.

In general, my view on cross platform is that it is a race to a lowest
common denominator of sorts.

If I had to write an app and I had all the monies I would go native every
time. If I didn't have all the monies I would use something cross platform.
I struggle to understand why companies like Facebook stuff about with cross
platform frameworks for apps when they have unlimited money and relatively
simple apps to write.

David


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Re: [OT] Java threatened?

2018-07-31 Thread David Connors 
Should have said "I know the tldr" not "I don't the tldr"

On Tue., 31 Jul. 2018, 8:12 pm David Connors,  wrote:

>
>
> On Tue., 31 Jul. 2018, 5:58 pm Nick Randolph, 
> wrote:
>
>> Android might well be the most widely adopted OS on Earth but
>> https://medium.com/@drinfo/fuck-you-android-framework-ddbb02c4ae48
>>
> That guy is clearly pretty unhappy/unhinged. I don't the tldr of this list
> is that it is developer focused but as a user though it is pretty hard to
> argue with what a vanilla Android device like a pixel is like to use.
>
>> w.r.t. Kotlin – as an app developer I would skip it (mostly) and focus on
>> Flutter. I say mostly because for the platform specific components, you’ll
>> need to know it. For anyone interested in Sydney there is a meetup next
>> Tuesday (https://www.meetup.com/gdgsydney/events/252175587/).
>>
> They're not the same thing. Flutter is a cross platform app framework and
> kotlin is a language to augment/interop with/replace Java.
>
> In general, my view on cross platform is that it is a race to a lowest
> common denominator of sorts.
>
> If I had to write an app and I had all the monies I would go native every
> time. If I didn't have all the monies I would use something cross platform.
> I struggle to understand why companies like Facebook stuff about with cross
> platform frameworks for apps when they have unlimited money and relatively
> simple apps to write.
>
> David
>
>
> --
> David Connors
> da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | https://t.me/davidconnors | LinkedIn
>  | +61 417 189 363
>
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RE: [OT] Java threatened?

2018-07-31 Thread Nick Randolph 
David

Android might well be the most widely adopted OS on Earth but 
https://medium.com/@drinfo/fuck-you-android-framework-ddbb02c4ae48

w.r.t. Kotlin – as an app developer I would skip it (mostly) and focus on 
Flutter. I say mostly because for the platform specific components, you’ll need 
to know it. For anyone interested in Sydney there is a meetup next Tuesday 
(https://www.meetup.com/gdgsydney/events/252175587/).

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Subject: Re: [OT] Java threatened?


On Mon, 30 Jul 2018 at 16:58 Greg Keogh 
mailto:gfke...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Folks, thanks to a passing mention in a YouTube video I discovered there is a 
new language named Kotlin. Strange it hadn't popped-up for me in technical 
articles before, as I think it's been quite mature for at least a year now. The 
first thing that strikes is the amazing similarity to C#, and they even 
acknowledge this in places on the official site. The most startling thing 
through, is how it's being marketed as a better Java. This 
page<https://kotlinlang.org/docs/reference/comparison-to-java.html> summarises 
the general superiority of Kotlin over Java. So … after 20 years, will Java 
become an evolutionary dead-end?

There is a lot to like about Kotlin and you're right about it being C#-ish 
looking version of Java.

The language was developed by JetBrains. JetBrains built the IntelliJ which is 
the basis for Android Studio. Google announced last year that Kotlin is a first 
class language for Android https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8ALcQiuPWs.

I don't know what the Enterprise story is for Kotlin however for development on 
the most widely adopted operating system on Earth; I'd say Java's days as a 
primary language are numbered.

 David.

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Re: [OT] Java threatened?

2018-07-30 Thread David Connors 
On Mon, 30 Jul 2018 at 16:58 Greg Keogh  wrote:

> Folks, thanks to a passing mention in a YouTube video I discovered there
> is a new language named Kotlin. Strange it hadn't popped-up for me in
> technical articles before, as I think it's been quite mature for at least a
> year now. The first thing that strikes is the amazing similarity to C#, and
> they even acknowledge this in places on the official site. The most
> startling thing through, is how it's being marketed as a better Java. This
> page 
> summarises the general superiority of Kotlin over Java. So … after 20
> years, will Java become an evolutionary dead-end?
>

There is a lot to like about Kotlin and you're right about it being C#-ish
looking version of Java.

The language was developed by JetBrains. JetBrains built the IntelliJ which
is the basis for Android Studio. Google announced last year that Kotlin is
a first class language for Android
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8ALcQiuPWs.

I don't know what the Enterprise story is for Kotlin however for
development on the most widely adopted operating system on Earth; I'd say
Java's days as a primary language are numbered.

 David.

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417 189 363

[OT] Java threatened?

2018-07-29 Thread Greg Keogh 
Folks, thanks to a passing mention in a YouTube video I discovered there is
a new language named Kotlin. Strange it hadn't popped-up for me in
technical articles before, as I think it's been quite mature for at least a
year now. The first thing that strikes is the amazing similarity to C#, and
they even acknowledge this in places on the official site. The most
startling thing through, is how it's being marketed as a better Java. This
page 
summarises the general superiority of Kotlin over Java. So … after 20
years, will Java become an evolutionary dead-end?

*Greg K*