Re: [OT] Jira / Redmine / Targetprocess.
Evaluation outcome. - Jira Great price cloud or home server for 10 users - 10 U.S. bucks. Gave it 4Gb ram on my VirtualBox ubuntu instance , use Postgresql as database - runs sweetly Not as fully feature rich as TargetProcess, but can be enhanced by add-ons. Prices of add-ons reasonable for own-server but "add up" when on a cloud based installation. Cannot add linked issues to stories on the fly as you create them (but can do later or possibly by an add-on) Best thing is the streamlined integration with Confluence and Bitbucket. (and probably the other packages if I care to use them). - Confluence I've been dreaming about a product such as this, and here it is sitting there as a product offering to enhance Bitbucket all this time. I just love how easy it is to connect from a meeting, document or blog to feature/story/bug in Jira or vice-versa. It is a wiki on steroids. I've put pages all over the place and managed organise them easily. Decision: A buy. TargetProcess and Redmine are both excellent products and compelling; but the smoother Confluence integration wins me over to Jira . I was able to import almost all of my T.P. data to Jira. I'm still concerned about disaster recovery and portability eg. deployment from server to cloud or to a new URL base. I'd say it is non-trivial, especially if add-ons are used (which unfortunately are almost a necessity). Disaster recovery probably most effective with virtual machine archiving. - Stuart On 5 February 2016 at 10:50, Stuart Kinnear wrote: > I have been using TargetProcess for a number of years and thought I'd have > a change of scene. A bit of time has given me the opportunity to check out > a couple of other options. - Jira and Redmine. The pricing of these > products suit my tiny operation nicely. My applications are quite > extensive so the simple bug tracking features of Bitbucket won't cut it. > > Given that Atlassian have a suite of products that complement each other I > thought that Jira and Confluence would be go to work with Bitbucket. > > Anyway, I downloaded and installed the products on an Ubuntu server hosted > in VirtualBox. The instance was allocated 2Gb memory and 4 cores. > > Jira is a greedy beast and runs at a painful pace (using the java > database, haven't yet tried postgresql). If I allocated 4Gb it is more > acceptable - or ran it in Docker on the bare machine. > > Aside the performance gripe I tried a backup and restore exercise. I > simple exported the data comprised of 12 projects, some with issues, some > without and tried to restore. The application simply wouldn't co-operate > and refused to load up. > > Is it me or Jira really this bad ? - how is this product so popular ? > It's compelling because of the hooks with other applications and numerous > add-ons, but the underlying robustness leaves me shuddering. Is it better > to use postgresql and use its backup/restore/replication facility - has > anyone successfully worked on this exercise? > > Redmine is an interesting product, its performance is an order of > magnitude faster than both TargetProcess and Jira. I haven't fully tried > out the backup and restore, nor Bitbucket integration. Unfortunately the > week of free time is evaporating. > > I see Confluence as being the missing link in my operation as meetings and > thought processes can be documented with hyperlinks to the project > management and source control products - given that Jira & Bitbucket are > Atlassian products, the process of integration is easy. I'm keen to see if > Redmine or Targetprocess could achieve the same. > > TargetProcess has a decent feature set, for which in Jira has to be > cobbled together. Maybe I'll stick to it ! > > -- > Friday discussion - what are you guys using or comments ? > > > > - > Stuart Kinnear > Mobile: 040 704 5686. Office: 03 9589 6502 > > SK Pro-Active! Pty Ltd > acn. 81 072 778 262 > PO Box 6082 Cromer, Vic 3193. Australia > > Business software developers. > SQL Server, Visual Basic, C# , Asp.Net, Microsoft Office. > > - > -- - Stuart Kinnear Mobile: 040 704 5686. Office: 03 9589 6502 SK Pro-Active! Pty Ltd acn. 81 072 778 262 PO Box 6082 Cromer, Vic 3193. Australia Business software developers. SQL Server, Visual Basic, C# , Asp.Net, Microsoft Office. -
Re: [OT] Jira / Redmine / Targetprocess.
On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 at 09:19 Stuart Kinnear wrote: > Why ignore subversion and mercurial ? > Glass half full vs empty. I'd say it is a good thing that they're supporting Git and TFVC instead of pretending TFVC is the way forward. David. -- David Connors da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 417 189 363
Re: [OT] Jira / Redmine / Targetprocess.
Looks interesting. Damn shame that they only support Git. It's seems to be common that people deliberately/inadvertantly cause monopolies by supporting only one player in various industry sectors. Why ignore subversion and mercurial ? - we are using Mercurial so it might kill off any further investigation. - Stuart On 6 February 2016 at 17:02, David Connors wrote: > On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 at 09:50 Stuart Kinnear wrote: > > [ ... ] > > >> Anyway, I downloaded and installed the products on an Ubuntu server >> hosted in VirtualBox. The instance was allocated 2Gb memory and 4 cores. >> > > Remember you can host team projects on visualstudio.com, free for up to > five users. > > David. > -- > David Connors > da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 417 189 363 > -- - Stuart Kinnear Mobile: 040 704 5686. Office: 03 9589 6502 SK Pro-Active! Pty Ltd acn. 81 072 778 262 PO Box 6082 Cromer, Vic 3193. Australia Business software developers. SQL Server, Visual Basic, C# , Asp.Net, Microsoft Office. -
Re: [OT] Jira / Redmine / Targetprocess.
On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 at 09:50 Stuart Kinnear wrote: [ ... ] > Anyway, I downloaded and installed the products on an Ubuntu server hosted > in VirtualBox. The instance was allocated 2Gb memory and 4 cores. > Remember you can host team projects on visualstudio.com, free for up to five users. David. -- David Connors da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 417 189 363
Re: [OT] Jira / Redmine / Targetprocess.
Jira is pretty resource hungry but runs great when it has enough. I'd def try move to postgres I'd also try tuning the java memory hints in the startup. Or just give it heaps of resources. It's been a while since I was the Jira admin at work though :) There is also a code review tool and integrates nicely into JIRA. Is Jira that bad - nah not at all. It's a fantastic product and no company I have worked with it has felt any different once it's implemented. The learning process can be a bit higher but I'm surprised by your backup/restore issues. We're using TFS and it's really sucky. I'm not sure why some shops feel that 'We are MS developers therefore need everything MS' it seems like such a crazy attitude that I come across far more than I'd have expected. There is no part of TFS that I enjoy using. I think this current team was using a plugin for it called 'Urban Turtle' in the past which was meant to give it some form of better management but they no longer do due to 'improvements in the latest version'. On 5 February 2016 at 12:50, Stuart Kinnear wrote: > I have been using TargetProcess for a number of years and thought I'd have > a change of scene. A bit of time has given me the opportunity to check out > a couple of other options. - Jira and Redmine. The pricing of these > products suit my tiny operation nicely. My applications are quite > extensive so the simple bug tracking features of Bitbucket won't cut it. > > Given that Atlassian have a suite of products that complement each other I > thought that Jira and Confluence would be go to work with Bitbucket. > > Anyway, I downloaded and installed the products on an Ubuntu server hosted > in VirtualBox. The instance was allocated 2Gb memory and 4 cores. > > Jira is a greedy beast and runs at a painful pace (using the java > database, haven't yet tried postgresql). If I allocated 4Gb it is more > acceptable - or ran it in Docker on the bare machine. > > Aside the performance gripe I tried a backup and restore exercise. I > simple exported the data comprised of 12 projects, some with issues, some > without and tried to restore. The application simply wouldn't co-operate > and refused to load up. > > Is it me or Jira really this bad ? - how is this product so popular ? > It's compelling because of the hooks with other applications and numerous > add-ons, but the underlying robustness leaves me shuddering. Is it better > to use postgresql and use its backup/restore/replication facility - has > anyone successfully worked on this exercise? > > Redmine is an interesting product, its performance is an order of > magnitude faster than both TargetProcess and Jira. I haven't fully tried > out the backup and restore, nor Bitbucket integration. Unfortunately the > week of free time is evaporating. > > I see Confluence as being the missing link in my operation as meetings and > thought processes can be documented with hyperlinks to the project > management and source control products - given that Jira & Bitbucket are > Atlassian products, the process of integration is easy. I'm keen to see if > Redmine or Targetprocess could achieve the same. > > TargetProcess has a decent feature set, for which in Jira has to be > cobbled together. Maybe I'll stick to it ! > > -- > Friday discussion - what are you guys using or comments ? > > > > - > Stuart Kinnear > Mobile: 040 704 5686. Office: 03 9589 6502 > > SK Pro-Active! Pty Ltd > acn. 81 072 778 262 > PO Box 6082 Cromer, Vic 3193. Australia > > Business software developers. > SQL Server, Visual Basic, C# , Asp.Net, Microsoft Office. > > - >
[OT] Jira / Redmine / Targetprocess.
I have been using TargetProcess for a number of years and thought I'd have a change of scene. A bit of time has given me the opportunity to check out a couple of other options. - Jira and Redmine. The pricing of these products suit my tiny operation nicely. My applications are quite extensive so the simple bug tracking features of Bitbucket won't cut it. Given that Atlassian have a suite of products that complement each other I thought that Jira and Confluence would be go to work with Bitbucket. Anyway, I downloaded and installed the products on an Ubuntu server hosted in VirtualBox. The instance was allocated 2Gb memory and 4 cores. Jira is a greedy beast and runs at a painful pace (using the java database, haven't yet tried postgresql). If I allocated 4Gb it is more acceptable - or ran it in Docker on the bare machine. Aside the performance gripe I tried a backup and restore exercise. I simple exported the data comprised of 12 projects, some with issues, some without and tried to restore. The application simply wouldn't co-operate and refused to load up. Is it me or Jira really this bad ? - how is this product so popular ? It's compelling because of the hooks with other applications and numerous add-ons, but the underlying robustness leaves me shuddering. Is it better to use postgresql and use its backup/restore/replication facility - has anyone successfully worked on this exercise? Redmine is an interesting product, its performance is an order of magnitude faster than both TargetProcess and Jira. I haven't fully tried out the backup and restore, nor Bitbucket integration. Unfortunately the week of free time is evaporating. I see Confluence as being the missing link in my operation as meetings and thought processes can be documented with hyperlinks to the project management and source control products - given that Jira & Bitbucket are Atlassian products, the process of integration is easy. I'm keen to see if Redmine or Targetprocess could achieve the same. TargetProcess has a decent feature set, for which in Jira has to be cobbled together. Maybe I'll stick to it ! -- Friday discussion - what are you guys using or comments ? - Stuart Kinnear Mobile: 040 704 5686. Office: 03 9589 6502 SK Pro-Active! Pty Ltd acn. 81 072 778 262 PO Box 6082 Cromer, Vic 3193. Australia Business software developers. SQL Server, Visual Basic, C# , Asp.Net, Microsoft Office. -
