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With VMWare player you could run your XP across dual monitors. I use it like that on a Windows 7 host and it works beautifully. Cheers Dave On 7 April 2011 16:23, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote: OK! ... too much choice, leaving me more confused. I thought VirtualBox had to be installed as the native OS, but it looks like it runs under Windows and then I can run more Windows inside it (is that right?) However, I do feel a bit nervous about a product with which I’m unfamiliar and I’ve heard no discussion about it amongst people I know. I know someone who has Linux as the native OS and running Windows inside it using VirtualBox, but I don’t know how difficult it was to setup and to maintain. I see that XP Mode is simply a pre-configured XP SP3 running under Windows Virtual PC. What about VMWare Player? I’m using this on an older test box and it seems to run Win7 inside Vista acceptably. One thing I forgot to mention is that it would be nice if the virtual XP could use two monitors, but perhaps that’s asking too much at the moment. Greg
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With VMWare player you could run your XP across dual monitors. I use it like that on a Windows 7 host and it works beautifully. Now that sounds promising. Greg
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Greg, 1. Why in the world would she need to run XP? Can't you run the software that she needs in XP compatibility mode? 2. If you really really need it: XPMode. You can get the the apps to be published under W7 but run in the virtual XP directly without her even knowing the apps run in XP or that there IS an XP. There is no shell to open, no extra Start button and the app window is part of the normal W7 desktop. All she gets is an icon in her W7 with an app. XPMode is 100% transparent. And works great. I would not bother explaining to my wife what a VM is, why there are two Start buttons, different desktops and different colours, two task managers and C: is not C: but is some other random location that you never want to save to. Corneliu. On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote: Folks, I’m just building a new machine for my wife. She needs Win7 as the boot OS and XP virtualised. I was wondering what choices I have for virtualising and avoiding problems with mouse jitter and video performance in the virtual OS. I ask because early last year I had to drop VMWare Server because of mouse, sound and video performance problems with XP. I moved to WMWare Player and the sound and video problems seem to be solved. Microsoft VM is also a contender I suppose, but I haven’t used it for a couple of years. What’s the latest recommendation for a home user machine with Win7 and virtual XP? Greg
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Corneliu, thanks, this is a fresh way of looking at it. My wife runs some pretty heavy-duty stuff like Adobe Framemaker, RoboHelp, Photoshop, etc over huge documents. I'm not directly involved, but I hear her talking of delicate dependencies on 32 and 64 bit Windows and different versions of Windows, apparently discussed at length in the relevant forums where they whine of quirks, bugs and compatibility problems. I would love to completely avoid XP or any need for a VM, but I'm not familiar with the XPMode you're describing. Is it some property of the shortcuts or executable images under Win7? Do I need to install something under Win7 for this? More hints or links would be welcome. Greg
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Greg, XPMode was designed like that: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspxJust install it, run it and install the apps you want it in. They are automatically published in your W7 apps list. Close the VM (it gets closed in kind of a hibernation mode. You can just click on the icon in the W7 and it just runs. You don't even have to start the VM (it's starts invisible in the background) Corneliu. On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 11:21 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote: Corneliu, thanks, this is a fresh way of looking at it. My wife runs some pretty heavy-duty stuff like Adobe Framemaker, RoboHelp, Photoshop, etc over huge documents. I’m not directly involved, but I hear her talking of delicate dependencies on 32 and 64 bit Windows and different versions of Windows, apparently discussed at length in the relevant forums where they whine of quirks, bugs and compatibility problems. I would love to completely avoid XP or any need for a VM, but I’m not familiar with the “XPMode” you’re describing. Is it some property of the shortcuts or executable images under Win7? Do I need to install something under Win7 for this? More hints or links would be welcome. Greg
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Adrian Halid wrote: I use Virtual Box and find there is a very active community with regular updates. Very simple to use. Has all the standard features of snapshots etc. Virtual box also has dual monitor support for Guests O/S. I think VMWare also does. Another cool feature is Seamless mode. +1 Virtualbox (along with quite a few others). Also, I've used the dual screen stuff, it's certainly decent, it can also do x3, x4, etc. FYI: I use Ubuntu as my desktop OS running XP VMs for development. Works well. Good luck :) -- Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au
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Why not use the XP Modehttp://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx functionality in Win7? From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Keogh Sent: Thursday, 7 April 2011 3:03 PM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: [OT] Virtual machine alternatives Folks, I'm just building a new machine for my wife. She needs Win7 as the boot OS and XP virtualised. I was wondering what choices I have for virtualising and avoiding problems with mouse jitter and video performance in the virtual OS. I ask because early last year I had to drop VMWare Server because of mouse, sound and video performance problems with XP. I moved to WMWare Player and the sound and video problems seem to be solved. Microsoft VM is also a contender I suppose, but I haven't used it for a couple of years. What's the latest recommendation for a home user machine with Win7 and virtual XP? Greg
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What do you think XP Mode is? Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh Sent: Thursday, 7 April 2011 1:28 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: [OT] Virtual machine alternatives Haha, when one talks about Virtualization, one shouldn't mention Virtual PC. *shudders* From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk Sent: Thursday, 7 April 2011 3:26 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Virtual machine alternatives Unless you are comparing to Microsoft Virtual PC in which case VirtualBox performance is outstanding! On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.memailto:ch...@walshie.me wrote: Virtual box is okish, but when you're looking for semi decent perf I wouldn't bother.
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I know what XP Mode is, Virtual PC by itself is worse than the XP Mode implementation of it. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer Sent: Thursday, 7 April 2011 3:44 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: [OT] Virtual machine alternatives What do you think XP Mode is? Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh Sent: Thursday, 7 April 2011 1:28 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: [OT] Virtual machine alternatives Haha, when one talks about Virtualization, one shouldn't mention Virtual PC. *shudders* From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk Sent: Thursday, 7 April 2011 3:26 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Virtual machine alternatives Unless you are comparing to Microsoft Virtual PC in which case VirtualBox performance is outstanding! On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.memailto:ch...@walshie.me wrote: Virtual box is okish, but when you're looking for semi decent perf I wouldn't bother.
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Hmm - I can't say that we've seen much in the way of performance difference though. It simply seems to be Virtual PC vNext Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh Sent: Thursday, 7 April 2011 1:46 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: [OT] Virtual machine alternatives I know what XP Mode is, Virtual PC by itself is worse than the XP Mode implementation of it. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer Sent: Thursday, 7 April 2011 3:44 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: [OT] Virtual machine alternatives What do you think XP Mode is? Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh Sent: Thursday, 7 April 2011 1:28 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: [OT] Virtual machine alternatives Haha, when one talks about Virtualization, one shouldn't mention Virtual PC. *shudders* From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk Sent: Thursday, 7 April 2011 3:26 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Virtual machine alternatives Unless you are comparing to Microsoft Virtual PC in which case VirtualBox performance is outstanding! On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.memailto:ch...@walshie.me wrote: Virtual box is okish, but when you're looking for semi decent perf I wouldn't bother.
