Re: UPS

[Matt]

Hi Stuart,

You need to look at this gear to solve your problem:
http://www.jaycar.com.au/pt_packs_offgrid.asp

Matt



On 25/07/13 11:49, Stuart Kinnear wrote:
I am suffering major degradation of power supply over these winter 
months. The voltage drops to 204V during peak load periods and sits 
any where between 215 to 230 during the day.


Contacted United Energy several times - they are playing tricks like 
not turning up when the problems are manifested and  measuring the 
power at midnight & saying it's OK. Talk to the technicians & they say 
that because I live at the end of the street & there are several new 
units >>> tough luck charlie.


What I am thinking is to get a decent UPS that would regulate the 
supply, but I am not sure that they would work over a number of hours. 
It would need to support 6 PCs.  Does anyone have any recommendations ?


--
-
Stuart Kinnear
Mobile: 040 704 5686.   Office: 03 9589 6502

SK Pro-Active! Pty Ltd
acn. 81 072 778 262
PO Box 6117 Cromer, Vic 3193. Australia

Business software developers.
SQL Server, Visual Basic, C# , Asp.Net, Microsoft Office.
-

Re: UPS

[Bill Chesnut]

I have a 3KV ups with extra battery pack (about 2hr of run time) running all my 
machines at home, when we 1st moved in we were getting really high voltage > 
253, now that most of the houses are build it is not as high.

 

My UPS has setting for high transfer and low transfer, I have these set to 253 
for high and 208 for low (that is the highest setting for low), when the power 
gets below 208 it switches to the UPS batteries.

 

Most of the power supplier even the desktop computers are now taking a range of 
input power anyway, check your machines and see what they say.

Bill Chesnut
Microsoft Integration MVP (BizTalk)
Melbourne, Australia


Stuart Kinnear , 7/25/2013 11:50 AM:
I am suffering major degradation of power supply over these winter months. The 
voltage drops to 204V during peak load periods and sits any where between 215 
to 230 during the day.
Contacted United Energy several times - they are playing tricks like not 
turning up when the problems are manifested and  measuring the power at 
midnight & saying it's OK. Talk to the technicians & they say that because I 
live at the end of the street & there are several new units >>> tough luck 
charlie. 
 
What I am thinking is to get a decent UPS that would regulate the supply, but I 
am not sure that they would work over a number of hours. It would need to 
support 6 PCs.  Does anyone have any recommendations ?
 
-- 
-
Stuart Kinnear
Mobile: 040 704 5686.   Office: 03 9589 6502

SK Pro-Active! Pty Ltd
acn. 81 072 778 262
 PO Box 6117 Cromer, Vic 3193. Australia

Business software developers.
SQL Server, Visual Basic, C# , Asp.Net, Microsoft Office.
-
  

Re: UPS

[Tony Wright]

Ah yes, he actually did tell me that. I forgot. I was surprised too - it
was something to do with coming up with a compromise between a stack of
countries internationally, many of whom had 220 volts and many on 240
volts, so they decided 230 volts was the new target. That kind of range
shouldn't effect our electronic devices, though.

So that gives you a range of 216 volts to 253 volts, based on the info you
just provided.






On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 9:00 AM, David Ames  wrote:

> Take a read of this thread: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1611656
> 
>
> ** **
>
> It states that Australia power standards are 230 volts, +10%, -6%.  
>
> ** **
>
> Apparently it changed a while ago from 240v to 230v.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Dave
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Tony Wright
> *Sent:* Thursday, 25 July 2013 12:35 PM
>
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: UPS
>
> ** **
>
> Just spoke with my brother about it. He says unfortunately with grid
> connected solar you are still affected by the voltage of the grid. In his
> case, he can disconnect from the grid and in that case it outputs at 48v,
> then an inverter(?) boosts it up to close to 240v (48 x 5). He has measured
> and it is usually sits around 235 volts when he does this. But when he is
> connected to the grid, he gets wild fluctuations which he says he's proven
> are caused entirely by the grid and not his solar set up. His voltages have
> been between 245 and 267 at times (in Brunswick.)
>
> ** **
>
> He says you might be able to make a complaint to the grid authority
> because your voltages are outside of Australian Standards, which he says is
> +/-10% around 240 volts (so a minimum of 216 volts)
>
> ** **
>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Paul Keen  wrote:
> 
>
> I am a complete novice in this area but does rooftop solar have any impact
> on supply problems like this.
>
>  
>
> Paul
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *GregAtGregLowDotCom
> *Sent:* Thursday, 25 July 2013 12:04 PM
> *To:* 'ozDotNet'
> *Subject:* RE: UPS
>
>  
>
> No UPS is going to generate power for you. You’d need a generator for that.
> 
>
>  
>
> Do United Energy have any sort of service level agreement? Or any
> agreement on what the tolerance should be? In the end, it sounds like you
> need new cabling to your area and only the supply company can do that. Last
> time I looked at this, the guarantees that they provided were very limited.
> It was almost as though if anything came out of your power points, you
> should be giving thanks to them.
>
>  
>
> People have been successful in giving the electricity companies a hard
> time about quality of supply but it’s a hard road. I know of one in
> Queensland where they eventually gave in and power conditioned his whole
> house just to shut him up. (Mind you, he’s also been banned from the High
> Court as a serial pest so you can imagine the lengths that he was prepared
> to go to).
>
>  
>
> Is there anything else in your street that could claim a strong need for
> better quality supply? For example, anyone on sensitive medical equipment?
> 
>
>  
>
> A lot of computing equipment used to be rated as 220V +5% -10%. Those
> devices should be fine. But those that are 240V nominal might be a problem.
> I recall that Western Australian areas with 250V nominal used to be a real
> hassle for some equipment.
>
>  
>
> In desperation, I’d suggest trying:
>
>  
>
> 1.   Finding computing equipment that’s designed for 220V rather than
> 240V. (Some power supplies have switches on them, and you might be able to
> order a different power adapter for a notebook)
>
> 2.   Get a big transformer (eg. 2KVA) wound for something like 215V
> in and 240V out, then use a UPS.
>
>  
>
> Regards,
>
>  
>
> Greg
>
>  
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>  
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913fax
> 
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>
>  
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [
> mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Stuart Kinnear
> *Sent:* Thursday, 25 July 2013 11:50 AM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* UPS
>
>  
>
> I am suffering major degradation of power supply over these winter months.
> The voltage drops to 204

RE: UPS

[David Ames]

Take a read of this thread: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1611656

It states that Australia power standards are 230 volts, +10%, -6%.

Apparently it changed a while ago from 240v to 230v.


Dave


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Tony Wright
Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2013 12:35 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: UPS

Just spoke with my brother about it. He says unfortunately with grid connected 
solar you are still affected by the voltage of the grid. In his case, he can 
disconnect from the grid and in that case it outputs at 48v, then an 
inverter(?) boosts it up to close to 240v (48 x 5). He has measured and it is 
usually sits around 235 volts when he does this. But when he is connected to 
the grid, he gets wild fluctuations which he says he's proven are caused 
entirely by the grid and not his solar set up. His voltages have been between 
245 and 267 at times (in Brunswick.)

He says you might be able to make a complaint to the grid authority because 
your voltages are outside of Australian Standards, which he says is +/-10% 
around 240 volts (so a minimum of 216 volts)

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Paul Keen 
mailto:pak...@bigpond.net.au>> wrote:
I am a complete novice in this area but does rooftop solar have any impact on 
supply problems like this.

Paul


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On 
Behalf Of GregAtGregLowDotCom
Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2013 12:04 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: UPS

No UPS is going to generate power for you. You’d need a generator for that.

Do United Energy have any sort of service level agreement? Or any agreement on 
what the tolerance should be? In the end, it sounds like you need new cabling 
to your area and only the supply company can do that. Last time I looked at 
this, the guarantees that they provided were very limited. It was almost as 
though if anything came out of your power points, you should be giving thanks 
to them.

People have been successful in giving the electricity companies a hard time 
about quality of supply but it’s a hard road. I know of one in Queensland where 
they eventually gave in and power conditioned his whole house just to shut him 
up. (Mind you, he’s also been banned from the High Court as a serial pest so 
you can imagine the lengths that he was prepared to go to).

Is there anything else in your street that could claim a strong need for better 
quality supply? For example, anyone on sensitive medical equipment?

A lot of computing equipment used to be rated as 220V +5% -10%. Those devices 
should be fine. But those that are 240V nominal might be a problem. I recall 
that Western Australian areas with 250V nominal used to be a real hassle for 
some equipment.

In desperation, I’d suggest trying:


1.   Finding computing equipment that’s designed for 220V rather than 240V. 
(Some power supplies have switches on them, and you might be able to order a 
different power adapter for a notebook)

2.   Get a big transformer (eg. 2KVA) wound for something like 215V in and 
240V out, then use a UPS.

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ 
+61 3 8676 4913 fax
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com<http://www.sqldownunder.com/>

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Kinnear
Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2013 11:50 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: UPS

I am suffering major degradation of power supply over these winter months. The 
voltage drops to 204V during peak load periods and sits any where between 215 
to 230 during the day.

Contacted United Energy several times - they are playing tricks like not 
turning up when the problems are manifested and  measuring the power at 
midnight & saying it's OK. Talk to the technicians & they say that because I 
live at the end of the street & there are several new units >>> tough luck 
charlie.

What I am thinking is to get a decent UPS that would regulate the supply, but I 
am not sure that they would work over a number of hours. It would need to 
support 6 PCs.  Does anyone have any recommendations ?

--
-
Stuart Kinnear
Mobile: 040 704 5686.   Office: 03 9589 6502

SK Pro-Active! Pty Ltd
acn. 81 072 778 262
PO Box 6117 Cromer, Vic 3193. Australia

Business software developers.
SQL Server, Visual Basic, C# , Asp.Net, Microsoft Office.
-

Re: UPS

[Tony Wright]

Don't worry Meski, there are significant protections against that, nothing
is melting - I believe it's even illegal to interfere with the grid.


On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 12:40 PM, mike smith  wrote:

> It'd be a worry trying to put 240 into a grid that was at 235...
>  Something would melt.  My money would be on it not being the grid that
> melted :)
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Tony Wright  wrote:
>
>> Just spoke with my brother about it. He says unfortunately with grid
>> connected solar you are still affected by the voltage of the grid. In his
>> case, he can disconnect from the grid and in that case it outputs at 48v,
>> then an inverter(?) boosts it up to close to 240v (48 x 5). He has measured
>> and it is usually sits around 235 volts when he does this. But when he is
>> connected to the grid, he gets wild fluctuations which he says he's proven
>> are caused entirely by the grid and not his solar set up. His voltages have
>> been between 245 and 267 at times (in Brunswick.)
>>
>> He says you might be able to make a complaint to the grid authority
>> because your voltages are outside of Australian Standards, which he says is
>> +/-10% around 240 volts (so a minimum of 216 volts)
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Paul Keen wrote:
>>
>>> I am a complete novice in this area but does rooftop solar have any
>>> impact on supply problems like this.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *GregAtGregLowDotCom
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, 25 July 2013 12:04 PM
>>> *To:* 'ozDotNet'
>>> *Subject:* RE: UPS
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> No UPS is going to generate power for you. You’d need a generator for
>>> that.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Do United Energy have any sort of service level agreement? Or any
>>> agreement on what the tolerance should be? In the end, it sounds like you
>>> need new cabling to your area and only the supply company can do that. Last
>>> time I looked at this, the guarantees that they provided were very limited.
>>> It was almost as though if anything came out of your power points, you
>>> should be giving thanks to them.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> People have been successful in giving the electricity companies a hard
>>> time about quality of supply but it’s a hard road. I know of one in
>>> Queensland where they eventually gave in and power conditioned his whole
>>> house just to shut him up. (Mind you, he’s also been banned from the High
>>> Court as a serial pest so you can imagine the lengths that he was prepared
>>> to go to).
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Is there anything else in your street that could claim a strong need for
>>> better quality supply? For example, anyone on sensitive medical equipment?
>>> 
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> A lot of computing equipment used to be rated as 220V +5% -10%. Those
>>> devices should be fine. But those that are 240V nominal might be a problem.
>>> I recall that Western Australian areas with 250V nominal used to be a real
>>> hassle for some equipment.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> In desperation, I’d suggest trying:
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> 1.   Finding computing equipment that’s designed for 220V rather
>>> than 240V. (Some power supplies have switches on them, and you might be
>>> able to order a different power adapter for a notebook)
>>>
>>> 2.   Get a big transformer (eg. 2KVA) wound for something like 215V
>>> in and 240V out, then use a UPS.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Dr Greg Low
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913fax
>>> 
>>>
>>> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [
>>> mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Stuart Kinnear
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, 25 July 2013 11:50 AM
>>> *To:* ozDotNet
>>> *Sub

Re: UPS

[mike smith]

It'd be a worry trying to put 240 into a grid that was at 235...  Something
would melt.  My money would be on it not being the grid that melted :)

Mike

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Tony Wright  wrote:

> Just spoke with my brother about it. He says unfortunately with grid
> connected solar you are still affected by the voltage of the grid. In his
> case, he can disconnect from the grid and in that case it outputs at 48v,
> then an inverter(?) boosts it up to close to 240v (48 x 5). He has measured
> and it is usually sits around 235 volts when he does this. But when he is
> connected to the grid, he gets wild fluctuations which he says he's proven
> are caused entirely by the grid and not his solar set up. His voltages have
> been between 245 and 267 at times (in Brunswick.)
>
> He says you might be able to make a complaint to the grid authority
> because your voltages are outside of Australian Standards, which he says is
> +/-10% around 240 volts (so a minimum of 216 volts)
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Paul Keen  wrote:
>
>> I am a complete novice in this area but does rooftop solar have any
>> impact on supply problems like this.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *GregAtGregLowDotCom
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 25 July 2013 12:04 PM
>> *To:* 'ozDotNet'
>> *Subject:* RE: UPS
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> No UPS is going to generate power for you. You’d need a generator for
>> that.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Do United Energy have any sort of service level agreement? Or any
>> agreement on what the tolerance should be? In the end, it sounds like you
>> need new cabling to your area and only the supply company can do that. Last
>> time I looked at this, the guarantees that they provided were very limited.
>> It was almost as though if anything came out of your power points, you
>> should be giving thanks to them.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> People have been successful in giving the electricity companies a hard
>> time about quality of supply but it’s a hard road. I know of one in
>> Queensland where they eventually gave in and power conditioned his whole
>> house just to shut him up. (Mind you, he’s also been banned from the High
>> Court as a serial pest so you can imagine the lengths that he was prepared
>> to go to).
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Is there anything else in your street that could claim a strong need for
>> better quality supply? For example, anyone on sensitive medical equipment?
>> 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> A lot of computing equipment used to be rated as 220V +5% -10%. Those
>> devices should be fine. But those that are 240V nominal might be a problem.
>> I recall that Western Australian areas with 250V nominal used to be a real
>> hassle for some equipment.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> In desperation, I’d suggest trying:
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> 1.   Finding computing equipment that’s designed for 220V rather
>> than 240V. (Some power supplies have switches on them, and you might be
>> able to order a different power adapter for a notebook)
>>
>> 2.   Get a big transformer (eg. 2KVA) wound for something like 215V
>> in and 240V out, then use a UPS.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Dr Greg Low
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913fax
>> 
>>
>> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [
>> mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Stuart Kinnear
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 25 July 2013 11:50 AM
>> *To:* ozDotNet
>> *Subject:* UPS
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I am suffering major degradation of power supply over these winter
>> months. The voltage drops to 204V during peak load periods and sits any
>> where between 215 to 230 during the day.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Contacted United Energy several times - they are playing tricks like not
>> turning up when the problems are manifested and  measuring the power at
>> midnight & saying it's OK. Talk to the technicians & they say that because
>> I live at the end of the street & there are several new units >>> tough
>> luck charlie. 
>>
>&g

Re: UPS

[Tony Wright]

Just spoke with my brother about it. He says unfortunately with grid
connected solar you are still affected by the voltage of the grid. In his
case, he can disconnect from the grid and in that case it outputs at 48v,
then an inverter(?) boosts it up to close to 240v (48 x 5). He has measured
and it is usually sits around 235 volts when he does this. But when he is
connected to the grid, he gets wild fluctuations which he says he's proven
are caused entirely by the grid and not his solar set up. His voltages have
been between 245 and 267 at times (in Brunswick.)

He says you might be able to make a complaint to the grid authority because
your voltages are outside of Australian Standards, which he says is +/-10%
around 240 volts (so a minimum of 216 volts)


On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Paul Keen  wrote:

> I am a complete novice in this area but does rooftop solar have any impact
> on supply problems like this.
>
> ** **
>
> Paul
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *GregAtGregLowDotCom
> *Sent:* Thursday, 25 July 2013 12:04 PM
> *To:* 'ozDotNet'
> *Subject:* RE: UPS
>
> ** **
>
> No UPS is going to generate power for you. You’d need a generator for that.
> 
>
> ** **
>
> Do United Energy have any sort of service level agreement? Or any
> agreement on what the tolerance should be? In the end, it sounds like you
> need new cabling to your area and only the supply company can do that. Last
> time I looked at this, the guarantees that they provided were very limited.
> It was almost as though if anything came out of your power points, you
> should be giving thanks to them.
>
> ** **
>
> People have been successful in giving the electricity companies a hard
> time about quality of supply but it’s a hard road. I know of one in
> Queensland where they eventually gave in and power conditioned his whole
> house just to shut him up. (Mind you, he’s also been banned from the High
> Court as a serial pest so you can imagine the lengths that he was prepared
> to go to).
>
> ** **
>
> Is there anything else in your street that could claim a strong need for
> better quality supply? For example, anyone on sensitive medical equipment?
> 
>
> ** **
>
> A lot of computing equipment used to be rated as 220V +5% -10%. Those
> devices should be fine. But those that are 240V nominal might be a problem.
> I recall that Western Australian areas with 250V nominal used to be a real
> hassle for some equipment.
>
> ** **
>
> In desperation, I’d suggest trying:
>
> ** **
>
> 1.   Finding computing equipment that’s designed for 220V rather than
> 240V. (Some power supplies have switches on them, and you might be able to
> order a different power adapter for a notebook)
>
> 2.   Get a big transformer (eg. 2KVA) wound for something like 215V
> in and 240V out, then use a UPS.
>
> ** **
>
> Regards,
>
> ** **
>
> Greg
>
> ** **
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
> ** **
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913fax
> 
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [
> mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Stuart Kinnear
> *Sent:* Thursday, 25 July 2013 11:50 AM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* UPS
>
> ** **
>
> I am suffering major degradation of power supply over these winter months.
> The voltage drops to 204V during peak load periods and sits any where
> between 215 to 230 during the day.
>
> ** **
>
> Contacted United Energy several times - they are playing tricks like not
> turning up when the problems are manifested and  measuring the power at
> midnight & saying it's OK. Talk to the technicians & they say that because
> I live at the end of the street & there are several new units >>> tough
> luck charlie. 
>
> ** **
>
> What I am thinking is to get a decent UPS that would regulate the supply,
> but I am not sure that they would work over a number of hours. It would
> need to support 6 PCs.  Does anyone have any recommendations ?
> 
>
> ** **
>
> --
>
> -
> Stuart Kinnear
> Mobile: 040 704 5686.   Office: 03 9589 6502
>
> SK Pro-Active! Pty Ltd
> acn. 81 072 778 262
> PO Box 6117 Cromer, Vic 3193. Australia
>
> Business software developers.
> SQL Server, Visual Basic, C# , Asp.Net, Microsoft Office.
>
> -
> 
>

RE: UPS

[GregAtGregLowDotCom]

Yep, Internet connection options are the 1st thing I’d look for when getting a 
property. I’m stunned how many devs I talk to that are living where they can’t 
get good Internet connections.

 

But power???

 

Regards,

 

Greg

 

Dr Greg Low

 

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax 

SQL Down Under | Web:  <http://www.sqldownunder.com/> www.sqldownunder.com

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2013 12:31 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: UPS

 

Option 3. move house. 

Personally, I research internet speeds and connection types when researching 
prospective living abode. Never had to look at power because we're blessed with 
"normal" power supplies here. 

1st world problems hey...

 

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Paul Keen mailto:pak...@bigpond.net.au> > wrote:

I am a complete novice in this area but does rooftop solar have any impact on 
supply problems like this.

 

Paul

 

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>  
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> ] 
On Behalf Of GregAtGregLowDotCom
Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2013 12:04 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: UPS

 

No UPS is going to generate power for you. You’d need a generator for that.

 

Do United Energy have any sort of service level agreement? Or any agreement on 
what the tolerance should be? In the end, it sounds like you need new cabling 
to your area and only the supply company can do that. Last time I looked at 
this, the guarantees that they provided were very limited. It was almost as 
though if anything came out of your power points, you should be giving thanks 
to them.

 

People have been successful in giving the electricity companies a hard time 
about quality of supply but it’s a hard road. I know of one in Queensland where 
they eventually gave in and power conditioned his whole house just to shut him 
up. (Mind you, he’s also been banned from the High Court as a serial pest so 
you can imagine the lengths that he was prepared to go to).

 

Is there anything else in your street that could claim a strong need for better 
quality supply? For example, anyone on sensitive medical equipment?

 

A lot of computing equipment used to be rated as 220V +5% -10%. Those devices 
should be fine. But those that are 240V nominal might be a problem. I recall 
that Western Australian areas with 250V nominal used to be a real hassle for 
some equipment.

 

In desperation, I’d suggest trying:

 

1.   Finding computing equipment that’s designed for 220V rather than 240V. 
(Some power supplies have switches on them, and you might be able to order a 
different power adapter for a notebook)

2.   Get a big transformer (eg. 2KVA) wound for something like 215V in and 
240V out, then use a UPS.

 

Regards,

 

Greg

 

Dr Greg Low

 

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410   
mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913   fax 

SQL Down Under | Web:  <http://www.sqldownunder.com/> www.sqldownunder.com

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>  
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Kinnear
Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2013 11:50 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: UPS

 

I am suffering major degradation of power supply over these winter months. The 
voltage drops to 204V during peak load periods and sits any where between 215 
to 230 during the day.

 

Contacted United Energy several times - they are playing tricks like not 
turning up when the problems are manifested and  measuring the power at 
midnight & saying it's OK. Talk to the technicians & they say that because I 
live at the end of the street & there are several new units >>> tough luck 
charlie. 

 

What I am thinking is to get a decent UPS that would regulate the supply, but I 
am not sure that they would work over a number of hours. It would need to 
support 6 PCs.  Does anyone have any recommendations ?


 

-- 
-
Stuart Kinnear
Mobile: 040 704 5686.   Office: 03 9589 6502

SK Pro-Active! Pty Ltd
acn. 81 072 778 262
PO Box 6117 Cromer, Vic 3193. Australia

Business software developers.
SQL Server, Visual Basic, C# , Asp.Net, Microsoft Office.
-

 

Re: UPS

[Stephen Price]

Option 3. move house.
Personally, I research internet speeds and connection types when
researching prospective living abode. Never had to look at power because
we're blessed with "normal" power supplies here.
1st world problems hey...


On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Paul Keen  wrote:

> I am a complete novice in this area but does rooftop solar have any impact
> on supply problems like this.
>
> ** **
>
> Paul
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *GregAtGregLowDotCom
> *Sent:* Thursday, 25 July 2013 12:04 PM
> *To:* 'ozDotNet'
> *Subject:* RE: UPS
>
> ** **
>
> No UPS is going to generate power for you. You’d need a generator for that.
> 
>
> ** **
>
> Do United Energy have any sort of service level agreement? Or any
> agreement on what the tolerance should be? In the end, it sounds like you
> need new cabling to your area and only the supply company can do that. Last
> time I looked at this, the guarantees that they provided were very limited.
> It was almost as though if anything came out of your power points, you
> should be giving thanks to them.
>
> ** **
>
> People have been successful in giving the electricity companies a hard
> time about quality of supply but it’s a hard road. I know of one in
> Queensland where they eventually gave in and power conditioned his whole
> house just to shut him up. (Mind you, he’s also been banned from the High
> Court as a serial pest so you can imagine the lengths that he was prepared
> to go to).
>
> ** **
>
> Is there anything else in your street that could claim a strong need for
> better quality supply? For example, anyone on sensitive medical equipment?
> 
>
> ** **
>
> A lot of computing equipment used to be rated as 220V +5% -10%. Those
> devices should be fine. But those that are 240V nominal might be a problem.
> I recall that Western Australian areas with 250V nominal used to be a real
> hassle for some equipment.
>
> ** **
>
> In desperation, I’d suggest trying:
>
> ** **
>
> 1.   Finding computing equipment that’s designed for 220V rather than
> 240V. (Some power supplies have switches on them, and you might be able to
> order a different power adapter for a notebook)
>
> 2.   Get a big transformer (eg. 2KVA) wound for something like 215V
> in and 240V out, then use a UPS.
>
> ** **
>
> Regards,
>
> ** **
>
> Greg
>
> ** **
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
> ** **
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913fax
> 
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [
> mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Stuart Kinnear
> *Sent:* Thursday, 25 July 2013 11:50 AM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* UPS
>
> ** **
>
> I am suffering major degradation of power supply over these winter months.
> The voltage drops to 204V during peak load periods and sits any where
> between 215 to 230 during the day.
>
> ** **
>
> Contacted United Energy several times - they are playing tricks like not
> turning up when the problems are manifested and  measuring the power at
> midnight & saying it's OK. Talk to the technicians & they say that because
> I live at the end of the street & there are several new units >>> tough
> luck charlie. 
>
> ** **
>
> What I am thinking is to get a decent UPS that would regulate the supply,
> but I am not sure that they would work over a number of hours. It would
> need to support 6 PCs.  Does anyone have any recommendations ?
> 
>
> ** **
>
> --
>
> -
> Stuart Kinnear
> Mobile: 040 704 5686.   Office: 03 9589 6502
>
> SK Pro-Active! Pty Ltd
> acn. 81 072 778 262
> PO Box 6117 Cromer, Vic 3193. Australia
>
> Business software developers.
> SQL Server, Visual Basic, C# , Asp.Net, Microsoft Office.
>
> -
> 
>

RE: UPS

[Paul Keen]

I am a complete novice in this area but does rooftop solar have any impact
on supply problems like this.

 

Paul

 

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of GregAtGregLowDotCom
Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2013 12:04 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: UPS

 

No UPS is going to generate power for you. You'd need a generator for that.

 

Do United Energy have any sort of service level agreement? Or any agreement
on what the tolerance should be? In the end, it sounds like you need new
cabling to your area and only the supply company can do that. Last time I
looked at this, the guarantees that they provided were very limited. It was
almost as though if anything came out of your power points, you should be
giving thanks to them.

 

People have been successful in giving the electricity companies a hard time
about quality of supply but it's a hard road. I know of one in Queensland
where they eventually gave in and power conditioned his whole house just to
shut him up. (Mind you, he's also been banned from the High Court as a
serial pest so you can imagine the lengths that he was prepared to go to).

 

Is there anything else in your street that could claim a strong need for
better quality supply? For example, anyone on sensitive medical equipment?

 

A lot of computing equipment used to be rated as 220V +5% -10%. Those
devices should be fine. But those that are 240V nominal might be a problem.
I recall that Western Australian areas with 250V nominal used to be a real
hassle for some equipment.

 

In desperation, I'd suggest trying:

 

1.   Finding computing equipment that's designed for 220V rather than
240V. (Some power supplies have switches on them, and you might be able to
order a different power adapter for a notebook)

2.   Get a big transformer (eg. 2KVA) wound for something like 215V in
and 240V out, then use a UPS.

 

Regards,

 

Greg

 

Dr Greg Low

 

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax


SQL Down Under | Web:  <http://www.sqldownunder.com/> www.sqldownunder.com

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Stuart Kinnear
Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2013 11:50 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: UPS

 

I am suffering major degradation of power supply over these winter months.
The voltage drops to 204V during peak load periods and sits any where
between 215 to 230 during the day.

 

Contacted United Energy several times - they are playing tricks like not
turning up when the problems are manifested and  measuring the power at
midnight & saying it's OK. Talk to the technicians & they say that because I
live at the end of the street & there are several new units >>> tough luck
charlie. 

 

What I am thinking is to get a decent UPS that would regulate the supply,
but I am not sure that they would work over a number of hours. It would need
to support 6 PCs.  Does anyone have any recommendations ?


 

-- 

-
Stuart Kinnear
Mobile: 040 704 5686.   Office: 03 9589 6502

SK Pro-Active! Pty Ltd
acn. 81 072 778 262
PO Box 6117 Cromer, Vic 3193. Australia

Business software developers.
SQL Server, Visual Basic, C# , Asp.Net, Microsoft Office.

-

Re: UPS

[Tony Wright]

Perhaps you could use solar power to help top it up?


On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 12:09 PM, mike smith  wrote:

> Run it off a switchmode that has an input range of 90-250?
>
> Laptop supplies have these, LCD displays have these.  I haven't seen a
> desktop that doesn't have a switch to go from one range to another, but
> they may exist.
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 12:04 PM, GregAtGregLowDotCom wrote:
>
>> No UPS is going to generate power for you. You’d need a generator for
>> that.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Do United Energy have any sort of service level agreement? Or any
>> agreement on what the tolerance should be? In the end, it sounds like you
>> need new cabling to your area and only the supply company can do that. Last
>> time I looked at this, the guarantees that they provided were very limited.
>> It was almost as though if anything came out of your power points, you
>> should be giving thanks to them.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> People have been successful in giving the electricity companies a hard
>> time about quality of supply but it’s a hard road. I know of one in
>> Queensland where they eventually gave in and power conditioned his whole
>> house just to shut him up. (Mind you, he’s also been banned from the High
>> Court as a serial pest so you can imagine the lengths that he was prepared
>> to go to).
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Is there anything else in your street that could claim a strong need for
>> better quality supply? For example, anyone on sensitive medical equipment?
>> 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> A lot of computing equipment used to be rated as 220V +5% -10%. Those
>> devices should be fine. But those that are 240V nominal might be a problem.
>> I recall that Western Australian areas with 250V nominal used to be a real
>> hassle for some equipment.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> In desperation, I’d suggest trying:
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> **1.   **Finding computing equipment that’s designed for 220V rather
>> than 240V. (Some power supplies have switches on them, and you might be
>> able to order a different power adapter for a notebook)
>>
>> **2.   **Get a big transformer (eg. 2KVA) wound for something like
>> 215V in and 240V out, then use a UPS.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Dr Greg Low
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913fax
>> 
>>
>> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Stuart Kinnear
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 25 July 2013 11:50 AM
>> *To:* ozDotNet
>> *Subject:* UPS
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I am suffering major degradation of power supply over these winter
>> months. The voltage drops to 204V during peak load periods and sits any
>> where between 215 to 230 during the day.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Contacted United Energy several times - they are playing tricks like not
>> turning up when the problems are manifested and  measuring the power at
>> midnight & saying it's OK. Talk to the technicians & they say that because
>> I live at the end of the street & there are several new units >>> tough
>> luck charlie. 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> What I am thinking is to get a decent UPS that would regulate the supply,
>> but I am not sure that they would work over a number of hours. It would
>> need to support 6 PCs.  Does anyone have any recommendations ?
>> 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> --
>>
>> -
>> Stuart Kinnear
>> Mobile: 040 704 5686.   Office: 03 9589 6502
>>
>> SK Pro-Active! Pty Ltd
>> acn. 81 072 778 262
>> PO Box 6117 Cromer, Vic 3193. Australia
>>
>> Business software developers.
>> SQL Server, Visual Basic, C# , Asp.Net, Microsoft Office.
>>
>> -
>> 
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Meski
>
>http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv
>
> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
> you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
>

Re: UPS

[mike smith]

Run it off a switchmode that has an input range of 90-250?

Laptop supplies have these, LCD displays have these.  I haven't seen a
desktop that doesn't have a switch to go from one range to another, but
they may exist.

Mike

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 12:04 PM, GregAtGregLowDotCom wrote:

> No UPS is going to generate power for you. You’d need a generator for that.
> 
>
> ** **
>
> Do United Energy have any sort of service level agreement? Or any
> agreement on what the tolerance should be? In the end, it sounds like you
> need new cabling to your area and only the supply company can do that. Last
> time I looked at this, the guarantees that they provided were very limited.
> It was almost as though if anything came out of your power points, you
> should be giving thanks to them.
>
> ** **
>
> People have been successful in giving the electricity companies a hard
> time about quality of supply but it’s a hard road. I know of one in
> Queensland where they eventually gave in and power conditioned his whole
> house just to shut him up. (Mind you, he’s also been banned from the High
> Court as a serial pest so you can imagine the lengths that he was prepared
> to go to).
>
> ** **
>
> Is there anything else in your street that could claim a strong need for
> better quality supply? For example, anyone on sensitive medical equipment?
> 
>
> ** **
>
> A lot of computing equipment used to be rated as 220V +5% -10%. Those
> devices should be fine. But those that are 240V nominal might be a problem.
> I recall that Western Australian areas with 250V nominal used to be a real
> hassle for some equipment.
>
> ** **
>
> In desperation, I’d suggest trying:
>
> ** **
>
> **1.   **Finding computing equipment that’s designed for 220V rather
> than 240V. (Some power supplies have switches on them, and you might be
> able to order a different power adapter for a notebook)
>
> **2.   **Get a big transformer (eg. 2KVA) wound for something like
> 215V in and 240V out, then use a UPS.
>
> ** **
>
> Regards,
>
> ** **
>
> Greg
>
> ** **
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
> ** **
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
> fax 
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Stuart Kinnear
> *Sent:* Thursday, 25 July 2013 11:50 AM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* UPS
>
> ** **
>
> I am suffering major degradation of power supply over these winter months.
> The voltage drops to 204V during peak load periods and sits any where
> between 215 to 230 during the day.
>
> ** **
>
> Contacted United Energy several times - they are playing tricks like not
> turning up when the problems are manifested and  measuring the power at
> midnight & saying it's OK. Talk to the technicians & they say that because
> I live at the end of the street & there are several new units >>> tough
> luck charlie. 
>
> ** **
>
> What I am thinking is to get a decent UPS that would regulate the supply,
> but I am not sure that they would work over a number of hours. It would
> need to support 6 PCs.  Does anyone have any recommendations ?
> 
>
> ** **
>
> --
>
> -
> Stuart Kinnear
> Mobile: 040 704 5686.   Office: 03 9589 6502
>
> SK Pro-Active! Pty Ltd
> acn. 81 072 778 262
> PO Box 6117 Cromer, Vic 3193. Australia
>
> Business software developers.
> SQL Server, Visual Basic, C# , Asp.Net, Microsoft Office.
>
> -
> 
>



-- 
Meski

 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills

RE: UPS

[GregAtGregLowDotCom]

No UPS is going to generate power for you. You'd need a generator for that.

 

Do United Energy have any sort of service level agreement? Or any agreement
on what the tolerance should be? In the end, it sounds like you need new
cabling to your area and only the supply company can do that. Last time I
looked at this, the guarantees that they provided were very limited. It was
almost as though if anything came out of your power points, you should be
giving thanks to them.

 

People have been successful in giving the electricity companies a hard time
about quality of supply but it's a hard road. I know of one in Queensland
where they eventually gave in and power conditioned his whole house just to
shut him up. (Mind you, he's also been banned from the High Court as a
serial pest so you can imagine the lengths that he was prepared to go to).

 

Is there anything else in your street that could claim a strong need for
better quality supply? For example, anyone on sensitive medical equipment?

 

A lot of computing equipment used to be rated as 220V +5% -10%. Those
devices should be fine. But those that are 240V nominal might be a problem.
I recall that Western Australian areas with 250V nominal used to be a real
hassle for some equipment.

 

In desperation, I'd suggest trying:

 

1.   Finding computing equipment that's designed for 220V rather than
240V. (Some power supplies have switches on them, and you might be able to
order a different power adapter for a notebook)

2.   Get a big transformer (eg. 2KVA) wound for something like 215V in
and 240V out, then use a UPS.

 

Regards,

 

Greg

 

Dr Greg Low

 

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax


SQL Down Under | Web:   www.sqldownunder.com

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Stuart Kinnear
Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2013 11:50 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: UPS

 

I am suffering major degradation of power supply over these winter months.
The voltage drops to 204V during peak load periods and sits any where
between 215 to 230 during the day.

 

Contacted United Energy several times - they are playing tricks like not
turning up when the problems are manifested and  measuring the power at
midnight & saying it's OK. Talk to the technicians & they say that because I
live at the end of the street & there are several new units >>> tough luck
charlie. 

 

What I am thinking is to get a decent UPS that would regulate the supply,
but I am not sure that they would work over a number of hours. It would need
to support 6 PCs.  Does anyone have any recommendations ?


 

-- 

-
Stuart Kinnear
Mobile: 040 704 5686.   Office: 03 9589 6502

SK Pro-Active! Pty Ltd
acn. 81 072 778 262
PO Box 6117 Cromer, Vic 3193. Australia

Business software developers.
SQL Server, Visual Basic, C# , Asp.Net, Microsoft Office.

-