disclaimer
Hi everyone, the thought occured to me today that as there are a number of 'lukers' on this list I should actually say out loud that everything I say on this list (unless otherwise stated) is my personal opinion and may not be fully supported by CARES SA. I think, as I am pretty quick to jump on the old soap box, that I should say this. I would hate for CARES SA to be mistaken or misunderstood by someone who is going by what I say on this list. Does that make sense? cheers Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 8365 7059birth with trust, faith love...
Re: scoliosis VBAC v/s vaginal birth
Hi Jan, I have helped a woman with severe scoliosis. Her curvature was in the upper back. She underwent surgery for it when she was young but she still has a very obvious curvature. She doesn't have a rod in her back as far as I know. In our discussions around her history she did not verbalize this to me. She came to me after having had two babies (in another province) so I did not anticipate any problems with her. She had all her babies vaginally. Her first baby was in hospital with the familiar chain of intervention, second at home with midwives, third at home with me. It would seem to me that what is relevent here is where in the back the curvature is. Does it affect the pelvis at all? The other relevent thing is what you have already stated regarding her lack of candidacy for an epidural. (Sometimes I wish I had more clients who fell into this category!!) Too bad in this case now she has the added black mark of two previous sections. It is so unfair how women get labelled like this when they weren't given an honest fair shake in the beginning. For us caregivers, it really underscores how important it is to facilitate normal birth for that first baby. It may be hard work, but it is not as difficult as witnessing and assisting with the grief that comes when women realize they have been misled and wounded unnecessarily. Meaghan At 07:00 PM 2/1/02 +1100, you wrote: Dear list, Does anyone out there have any experience in caring for women who have had scoliosis in childhood, which has led to surgery (involving insertion of a rod down the length of the spine to correct/stabilise the situation). I ask, as I have a friend who has experienced the above, having had surgery at the age of 14 due to severe scoliosis. She has since had two children, both born my caesarean under GA (now aged 5 and 8 years). On both occasions, she ruptured her membranes at 38 weeks, and was wisked into theatre there and then. She tells me she did experience some contractions after rupturing her membranes, and whilst in transit to hospital and waiting to go to theatre. She is planning to have another baby in the future, and has recently verbalised her concern, that maybe the caesareans were performed more out of ignorance or convenience in her situation. She accepts that an epidural may certainly have been out of the question given the rod in her back, however, she was never given an opportunity to discuss this further with doctors/anaesthetists during either pregnancy. She was never really told why she wasn't allowed to labour on both occasions, and now wonders if this was done out of fear or ignorance on the subject. She asked me as her friend and a midwife, what knowledge and experience I have regarding this sort of situation. I thought I would share this with the list to get other's views in the hope that maybe someone else out there has had a similar experience. I I presume the rod has some degree of flexibility, as this friend of mine has played netball over many years, and has also attended gyms in the past. She can sit, lie, knee, stretch, etc. She experienced absolutely no back problems during or following the previous pregnancies and births. I welcome your comments, thoughts, experiences! Jan -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: Re: Choices in Childbirth
Hi Mary That will be great. Thanks Mary. Leigh From: Mary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Choices in Childbirth Date: 30/01/2002 19:55:36 To: Jackie Mawson [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ozmidwifery List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: Choices in ChildbirthWe have a friendly Lawyer who is working on an indemnity letter that the parent(s) can sign which WILL hold up in court. when it is complete and to his satisfaction I will be happy to tell you about it. Don't email me, I WILL keep you informed. Cheers, Mary Murphy - Original Message - From: Jackie Mawson To: Ozmidwifery List Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 6:19 PM Subject: Re: Choices in Childbirth I am now unable to make because my midwife's PI Insurance cover runs out on May 30 2002 and she has chosen not to practice uninsured. Sad... Have you approached her, Justine? Maybe the trust will be there that she will consider supporting you as she has previously. There are always some exceptions. Birthing Beautifully, Jackie Mawson. Convenor of Birthrites: Healing After Caesarean Inc. Visit our Website at: http://www.birthrites.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note I am not a Professional Healthcare Provider, and all opinions given in this email are not to be taken as medical, or legal, advice. Please seek such advice from the relevant professional service. Email me your postal details for a FREE copy of our quarterly magazine, if you live within Australia - Overseas postage costs are above budget, sorry! Too many Gods; so many creeds, Too many paths that wind and wind, When just the art of being kind Is all the sad world needs... -- This message was sent through MyMail http://www.mymail.com.au Title: Re: Choices in Childbirth We have a friendly Lawyer who is working on an indemnity letter that the parent(s) can sign which WILL hold up in court. when it is complete and to his satisfaction I will be happy to tell you about it. Don't email me, I WILL keep you informed. Cheers, Mary Murphy - Original Message - From: Jackie Mawson To: Ozmidwifery List Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 6:19 PM Subject: Re: Choices in Childbirth I am now unable to make because my midwifes PI Insurance cover runs out on May 30 2002 and she has chosen not to practice uninsured. Sad... Have you approached her, Justine? Maybe the trust will be there that she will consider supporting you as she has previously. There are always some exceptions.Birthing Beautifully,Jackie Mawson.Convenor of Birthrites: Healing After Caesarean Inc.Visit our Website at: http://www.birthrites.orgEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Please note I am not a Professional Healthcare Provider, and all opinions given in this email are not to be taken as medical, or legal, advice. Please seek such advice from the relevant professional service.Email me your postal details for a FREE copy of our quarterly magazine, if you live within Australia - Overseas postage costs are above budget, sorry!Too many Gods;so many creeds,Too many pathsthat wind andwind,When just the artof being kindIs all the sadworld needs...--
responding to the DHS phone-in for the Women's Health and Wellbeing Strategy
[Please forward] The question of responding to the DHS phone-in for the Women's Health and Wellbeing Strategy has been on my mind. How can anyone contribute in a way that will be useful? This was discussed at the midwifery discussion group last night. The answer is that we all need to respond, and by responding in a coordinated and organised way, we will strengthen our voice. Getting recognised as a strategy for women's health and wellbeing in this discussion paper is only one of many actions that need to be taken. By getting the COMMUNITY MIDWIFERY option identified as a strategic direction that the community really wants (ie lots of people say it, in their own words) we can then use the strategy to support further lobbying. It's not just a matter of what you personally would like to be able to do when you have a baby, or even what's available locally where you are. The maternity services in Victoria are patchy and fragmented - not good! There are little projects that get funded for a couple of years then get derailed for lots of reasons. The problem that needs to be addressed is that our current health funding for mainstream services does not support women who want community based midwifery, with a primary care midwife who has access to the specialist public hospital services when required, which is arguably the safest, most cost effective option for well women. We are not asking for more funding - just for access to what's there. Remember that as an organisation Maternity Coalition is committed to lobbying for reform of maternity services. Not a small task. The choice of 'what's best for me' should belong to the consumer of the service, not the provider - which is the current situation, and why reform is needed. If a woman happens to work out that she would like to have a *known* midwife attending her for perhaps the most demanding and intense activity she has ever engaged in [ie giving birth and becoming a mother], the ONLY way she can get that in the current system is NOT to use the system. [Unless she happens to get into one of the rare caseload programs that are here today, and ? tomorrow] She has to find her own midwife, and give birth in the only place she has control over, which is her home. That's a great option, but it should NOT be the only option, and it should NOT have a price tag attached, and should NOT be removed at the whim of insurance companies. The community does want this strategy in place. Maternity Coalition is nearing its goal of 10 THOUSAND SIGNATURES on the Midwifery Campaign petition!!! I hope this little pep talk encourages a lot of people to respond to this particular phone in. Joy Johnston The details of the inquiry are: FOR YOUR INFORMATION - FROM: Ms Deb Pietsch on (03) 96168611 or email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ms Rachael Green on (03) 96168030 or email [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The Victorian Government is putting together a Women's Health and Wellbeing Strategy, which aims to: * Improve the health and wellbeing of women, particularly those most at risk * Provide a policy framework for planning, funding and delivery of services to women in relation to their health and wellbeing A Discussion paper has been developed, outlining key issues facing Victorian women, and proposed action areas and strategies to respond to these. We are keen to hear what you have to say about the Discussion Paper, and this PHONE IN is another opportunity for you to tell us what you think. PHONE IN Please call on (03) 9616 7380: Friday 8 February 2002 between 10am to 7pm Saturday 9 February 2002 between 10am to 5pm (the cost to rural callers will be considered, with the option of call back) For further information about the Strategy or for a copy of the Discussion Paper, call Ms Deb Pietsch on (03) 96168611 or email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ms Rachael Green on (03) 96168030 or email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or access the website www.women.vic.gov.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: possible way to get the message across
Just for interest: Events on the television show ER are based on actual happenings in hospitals around the US. Unfortunate to say, but I would say that what was described really did happen to somebody. Also, I learned when I studied Film and Television that they are not legally allowed to have a baby younger than 6 weeks old on a set. For those of you who didn't watch the episode of Home and Away where Gypsy had her baby - she gave birth on the front bonnet of her car with Will (the father) as her only support. Didn't make it to the hospital. I suppose that the soaps are the same as the magazines (eg New Idea, Womans Weekly). If they didn't have some fascinatingly dramatic event going on, people wouldn't watch it. Imagine... Watch Neighbours this week as Flik does the grocery shopping... K. - Original Message - From: L D Staff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kirsten Blacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 10:39 PM Subject: Re: possible way to get the message across Far cry from the ER episode that had one of my homebirth mums in a state. It was about shoulder dystocia and the mother had a Zavanelli manouvre, was caesared in the ER, died of a pph and the baby lived. What did they think they were doing! - Original Message - From: Kirsten Blacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:39 AM Subject: Re: possible way to get the message across That would have been A Country Practice. Actually, if I remember rightly when Lucy gave birth she used a lot of support from the nursing staff, and spent most of her labour in the shower. Kirsten having flashbacks in Minnesota, USA From: L D Staff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lois Wattis [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: possible way to get the message across Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:23:06 +1000 I seem to remember an Aussie soap from years ago where Vicki (the local vet) gave birth to twins in a shed, all by herself and all was OK. Far cry from the way TV portrays birth today. Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Lois Wattis To: Dean Jo Bainbridge Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 5:58 PM Subject: Re: possible way to get the message across Great idea, Jo. I hope you or others persue it further. Had a chuckle about hog tying the 2 year old. Reminds me of when my kids were littlemy sister (older and wiser than me) used to refer to it as the hook on the wall stage - i.e. if you could just hang them up for a while out of harms way all would be well. Keep up the great work, Cheers, Lois - Original Message - From: Dean Jo Bainbridge To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 4:06 PM Subject: possible way to get the message across not that I want to admit that I watch the show...but as Neighbours just happened to be on last night...I noticed that there always needs to be some dramtic event that surrounds birth on tv soap drama. I know that there were babies born recently on home and away but I certainly dont watch that! So I am unaware of the dramas that were involved with these bubs 'births'...no doubt some dramatic birth with mum in the 'beetle' position (thanks Jackie) screaming and doctors running around etc. SO... why dont we write to the soaps and ask them to consider the next bubby being born calmly withot drama at home or at least with a midwife providing care? If we are trying to get it through to the adverage 'Jane'...then why not use this sort of medium? Always run the risk of it being made into a life threatening event though. At least we could stress how damaging it is to society to perpetuate the myth of childbirth being shrouded in danger and trauma that cant be done without doctors? just a thought... going back to hog tie my children. Just kidding...only the two year old. cheers Jo Jo Bainbridge founding member CARES SA email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 08 8365 7059 birth with trust, faith love... _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Recommendation
Hi All, I was wondering if anybody could recommend a Doctor who ishighly considerate of a mothers wishes. (I know what is going through your minds after that one... hee hee.) I have spent much time considering my available options (unfortunately home birth is not financially one of them... maybe by the time we have our third they will allow HB Midwives to be covered by insurance...) I don't really want to leave everything to 'pot luck' and hope that I manage to visit the right Doctor who will work WITH me instead of for me. I was quite fortunate that the hospital (public) was so busy on the day I delivered our first child - I had NO intervention, and was told to 'listen to my body' when I was suddenly pushing... When I mentioned to my GP that we would be trying and I wanted to know if she knew anybody who had ideals aligned with my own, she said that she could only go by her own experience and could only therefore recommend her own OB so I would probably be better off talking to friends. I decided this wouldn't help much as I only know two people who have recently had babies and neither of them were happy with their OB's. So any help would be much appreciated! Thanks and keep smiling! Kirsty.
Re: Recommendation
Kirsty, Which state/area are you in? Jayne --- Original Message - From: Phillip Fogarty To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 5:28 PM Subject: Recommendation Hi All, I was wondering if anybody could recommend a Doctor who ishighly considerate of a mothers wishes. (I know what is going through your minds after that one... hee hee.) I have spent much time considering my available options (unfortunately home birth is not financially one of them... maybe by the time we have our third they will allow HB Midwives to be covered by insurance...) I don't really want to leave everything to 'pot luck' and hope that I manage to visit the right Doctor who will work WITH me instead of for me. I was quite fortunate that the hospital (public) was so busy on the day I delivered our first child - I had NO intervention, and was told to 'listen to my body' when I was suddenly pushing... When I mentioned to my GP that we would be trying and I wanted to know if she knew anybody who had ideals aligned with my own, she said that she could only go by her own experience and could only therefore recommend her own OB so I would probably be better off talking to friends. I decided this wouldn't help much as I only know two people who have recently had babies and neither of them were happy with their OB's. So any help would be much appreciated! Thanks and keep smiling! Kirsty.
Re: Recommendation
Actually, from clues in your email address, I'm guessing QLD?!!! Let me know. Jayne - Original Message - From: Jayne To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 6:34 PM Subject: Re: Recommendation Kirsty, Which state/area are you in? Jayne --- Original Message - From: Phillip Fogarty To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 5:28 PM Subject: Recommendation Hi All, I was wondering if anybody could recommend a Doctor who ishighly considerate of a mothers wishes. (I know what is going through your minds after that one... hee hee.) I have spent much time considering my available options (unfortunately home birth is not financially one of them... maybe by the time we have our third they will allow HB Midwives to be covered by insurance...) I don't really want to leave everything to 'pot luck' and hope that I manage to visit the right Doctor who will work WITH me instead of for me. I was quite fortunate that the hospital (public) was so busy on the day I delivered our first child - I had NO intervention, and was told to 'listen to my body' when I was suddenly pushing... When I mentioned to my GP that we would be trying and I wanted to know if she knew anybody who had ideals aligned with my own, she said that she could only go by her own experience and could only therefore recommend her own OB so I would probably be better off talking to friends. I decided this wouldn't help much as I only know two people who have recently had babies and neither of them were happy with their OB's. So any help would be much appreciated! Thanks and keep smiling! Kirsty.
