Re: Woman's Health and Wellbeing Strategy
In a message dated 2/02/02 10:30:34 AM AUS Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The question of responding to the DHS phone-in for the Women's Health and Wellbeing Strategy has been on my mind. How can anyone contribute in a way that will be useful? This was discussed at the midwifery discussion group last night. Hi Joy, Barb and fellow Listers. further to this discussionI have noticed in reading the Herald Sun today that the Department is calling for written submissions to the consultation on the 'Women's Health and Wellbeing' Strategy (WHWB). A discussion paper has already been prepared which outlines the key issues and directions the Strategy proposes to take. Feedback is being sought on the discussion paper which will inform the final implementation and evaluation of the Strategy.. I'm proposing that adjunct to our phoning in with our thoughts and ideas to inform the strategythat a formal written submission to the discussion paper be prepared on behalf of MC. Has anyone actually seen a copy of the WHWB Strategy Discussion Paper?? I have searched the DHS website and have not found the new paper...only an old one which consists of five small discussion papers on specific target women's groups.for further policy and program development. you can see this at: http://hnb.dhs.vic.gov.au/acmh/phkb.nsf/images/WHWB_Strategy/$file/WHS_wrkngwmn_consult.pdf I'm assuming the framework for the new discussion paper is similar. Copies of the new discussion paper can be obtained by calling Ms Emma Glouftis on (03) 96168047. Written submissions based on the Paper will be received until the 15th February 2002. AlsoA consultation for the metropolitan area will be held in Hawthorn on Monday 11th February 2002 from 9.30-12.30pm...to register your participation again contact Emma Glouftis..details above. Yours in birth, Tina Pettigrew Birthworks Bachelor of Midwifery Student and Independent CBE Convenor, Aust B. Mid Student Collective. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BMidStudentCollective [EMAIL PROTECTED] " As we trust the flowers to open to new life - So we can trust birth" Harriette Hartigan. ---
Re: Recommendation
Title: Re: Recommendation Hi Kirsty, What you are asking for requires detailed knowledge about the area you live in. The GP you ask for is a rare diamond, but believe me, if any of us know of such in your area, we will let you know. Sue Cookson, Byron Bay area Hi All, I was wondering if anybody could recommend a Doctor who is highly considerate of a mothers wishes. (I know what is going through your minds after that one... hee hee.) I have spent much time considering my available options (unfortunately home birth is not financially one of them... maybe by the time we have our third they will allow HB Midwives to be covered by insurance...) I don't really want to leave everything to 'pot luck' and hope that I manage to visit the right Doctor who will work WITH me instead of for me. I was quite fortunate that the hospital (public) was so busy on the day I delivered our first child - I had NO intervention, and was told to 'listen to my body' when I was suddenly pushing... When I mentioned to my GP that we would be trying and I wanted to know if she knew anybody who had ideals aligned with my own, she said that she could only go by her own experience and could only therefore recommend her own OB so I would probably be better off talking to friends. I decided this wouldn't help much as I only know two people who have recently had babies and neither of them were happy with their OB's. So any help would be much appreciated! Thanks and keep smiling! Kirsty.
Re: Woman's Health and Wellbeing Strategy
In a message dated 2/02/02 9:07:45 PM AUS Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has anyone actually seen a copy of the WHWB Strategy Discussion Paper?? I have searched the DHS website and have not found the new paper...only an old one which consists of five small discussion papers on specific target women's groups.for further policy and program development. you can see this at: http://hnb.dhs.vic.gov.au/acmh/phkb.nsf/images/WHWB_Strategy/$file/WHS_wrkngwmn_consult.pdf Hi again all, ooops! Found the final WHWB discussion paper...you can find it at: http://hnb.dhs.vic.gov.au/acmh/phkb.nsf and print off an electronic version. This is the final draft document on the consultations undertaken in the first round in 2001 that targeted the five key populations for action as identified by the Ministerial Advisory Committee on Women's Health and Wellbeing - designated as high needs in women's health policy development on the basis of their 'poor health outcomes'. The groups targeted by the WHWB Strategy are Koori women, lesbians, women in prison and those who have been in prison, women with disabilities and working women. It was interesting to note that on the Vic' Ministerial Advisory Committee on Women's Health and Wellbeing that membership does not include formal midwifery representation..eg: ACMI. Perhaps that's where we need to begin to get birthing issues on such agendas for policy and program development??? While I agree its important that we respond to these consultationswomen's access to birthing services doesn't seem to rate highly in the scheme of things from these reportsIts difficult to have credibility in advocating for midwife-led care and its immense benefits to the health and wellbeing of women, when it doesn't rate a mention in documents setting out the govt's plans and priorities for policy and program development...its seems to me that we are starting behind the ball all the time?? Comments anyone Yours in birth, Tina Pettigrew Birthworks Bachelor of Midwifery Student and Independent CBE Convenor, Aust B. Mid Student Collective. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BMidStudentCollective [EMAIL PROTECTED] " As we trust the flowers to open to new life - So we can trust birth" Harriette Hartigan. ---
RE: RE B MID
I spoke to a former independent midwife from NSW who thinks that the bachelor degree will undermine midwives. Does anyone know why she would think that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 2 February 2002 1:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE B MID In a message dated 31/01/02 11:16:00 PM AUS Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Congratulations Tina. I cant wait till you start shaking up all those tutors and your fellow students as you teach them so much about Midwifery. It is from students like yourself that the passion for true Midwifery will flow and really ignite the (time for a change) fires that are starting to smoulder around the country Well done on your achievements so far Alesa Alesa Koziol Clinical Midwifery Educator Melbourne Thank you for your confidence and support Alesa.It is so pleasing to see so many midwives embracing the introduction of B Mid education. The commencement date for the B Mid in Victoria is hopefully only weeks away with students at both campuses, ACU and VU, set to start on the 18th February. SA programs at Flinders and UNi SA get underway in the first week of March. It means alot to us as B Mid students to have such great support and encouragement. Thank you to all. I agree too, that there are small 'fires' smouldering around the countrythe momentum towards birth reform is slowly swinging our way. I believe with all my heart that the development and implementation of B Mid education into Australia can only further enhance our endeavours to create change in the birthing arena..educating a midwifery workforce for the future of Australian midwifery and the women it serves. Yours in birth, Tina Pettigrew Birthworks Independent CBE and Bachelor of Midwifery Student Convenor, Aust B. Mid Student Collective. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BMidStudentCollective [EMAIL PROTECTED] As we trust the flowers to open to new life - So we can trust birth Harriette Hartigan. ---
RE: possible way to get the message across
After studying biomedical science, the events and the way the doctors talk on ER are the biggest pile of bollocks I have ever seen. Maybe the events were real, but the way it is portrayed is incorrect. The nutri grain add shows a woman giving birth in a prone position with three nurses urging her to 'push'. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Phillip Fogarty Sent: Sunday, 3 February 2002 5:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: possible way to get the message across Just for interest: Events on the television show ER are based on actual happenings in hospitals around the US. Unfortunate to say, but I would say that what was described really did happen to somebody. Also, I learned when I studied Film and Television that they are not legally allowed to have a baby younger than 6 weeks old on a set. For those of you who didn't watch the episode of Home and Away where Gypsy had her baby - she gave birth on the front bonnet of her car with Will (the father) as her only support. Didn't make it to the hospital. I suppose that the soaps are the same as the magazines (eg New Idea, Womans Weekly). If they didn't have some fascinatingly dramatic event going on, people wouldn't watch it. Imagine... Watch Neighbours this week as Flik does the grocery shopping... K. - Original Message - From: L D Staff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kirsten Blacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 10:39 PM Subject: Re: possible way to get the message across Far cry from the ER episode that had one of my homebirth mums in a state. It was about shoulder dystocia and the mother had a Zavanelli manouvre, was caesared in the ER, died of a pph and the baby lived. What did they think they were doing! - Original Message - From: Kirsten Blacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:39 AM Subject: Re: possible way to get the message across That would have been A Country Practice. Actually, if I remember rightly when Lucy gave birth she used a lot of support from the nursing staff, and spent most of her labour in the shower. Kirsten having flashbacks in Minnesota, USA From: L D Staff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lois Wattis [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: possible way to get the message across Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:23:06 +1000 I seem to remember an Aussie soap from years ago where Vicki (the local vet) gave birth to twins in a shed, all by herself and all was OK. Far cry from the way TV portrays birth today. Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Lois Wattis To: Dean Jo Bainbridge Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 5:58 PM Subject: Re: possible way to get the message across Great idea, Jo. I hope you or others persue it further. Had a chuckle about hog tying the 2 year old. Reminds me of when my kids were littlemy sister (older and wiser than me) used to refer to it as the hook on the wall stage - i.e. if you could just hang them up for a while out of harms way all would be well. Keep up the great work, Cheers, Lois - Original Message - From: Dean Jo Bainbridge To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 4:06 PM Subject: possible way to get the message across not that I want to admit that I watch the show...but as Neighbours just happened to be on last night...I noticed that there always needs to be some dramtic event that surrounds birth on tv soap drama. I know that there were babies born recently on home and away but I certainly dont watch that! So I am unaware of the dramas that were involved with these bubs 'births'...no doubt some dramatic birth with mum in the 'beetle' position (thanks Jackie) screaming and doctors running around etc. SO... why dont we write to the soaps and ask them to consider the next bubby being born calmly withot drama at home or at least with a midwife providing care? If we are trying to get it through to the adverage 'Jane'...then why not use this sort of medium? Always run the risk of it being made into a life threatening event though. At least we could stress how damaging it is to society to perpetuate the myth of childbirth being shrouded in danger and trauma that cant be done without doctors? just a thought... going back to hog tie my children. Just kidding...only the two year old. cheers Jo Jo Bainbridge founding member CARES SA email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 08 8365 7059 birth with trust, faith love... _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit
RE: Recommendation
It seems you already have a GP and want an OB, bit I know of a community health centre that supports home birth etc (posters on the wall, and a beautiful feed and change room with a rocking chair too!!). There are no Obs. I am only guessing, but if you cant afford homebirth, you cant afford a private OB either. The Gps do shared care, and they are FABULOUS!!! Dr. Gavan Martyn is my doctor, and is a gem. The centre is in Paisley St., Footscray (if you live in Melbourne). If you want a more natural birth, have you considered trying a birth centre. I hear the one at the Mercy (East Melbourne) is great. Good luck, and congratulations!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Phillip Fogarty Sent: Sunday, 3 February 2002 5:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Recommendation Hi All, I was wondering if anybody could recommend a Doctor who ishighly considerate of a mothers wishes. (I know what is going through your minds after that one... hee hee.) I have spent much time considering my available options (unfortunately home birth is not financially one of them... maybe by the time we have our third they will allow HB Midwives to be covered by insurance...) I don't really want to leave everything to 'pot luck' and hope that I manage to visit the right Doctor who will work WITH me instead of for me. I was quite fortunate that the hospital (public) was so busy on the day I delivered our first child - I had NO intervention, and was told to 'listen to my body' when I was suddenly pushing... When I mentioned to my GP that we would be trying and I wanted to know if she knew anybody who had ideals aligned with my own, she said that she could only go by her own experience and could only therefore recommend her own OB so I would probably be better off talking to friends. I decided this wouldn't help much as I only know two people who have recently had babies and neither of them were happy with their OB's. So any help would be much appreciated! Thanks and keep smiling! Kirsty.
RE: Woman's Health and Wellbeing Strategy
You can get a copy of the paper by emailing this lady. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good luck!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 2 February 2002 11:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Woman's Health and Wellbeing Strategy In a message dated 2/02/02 9:07:45 PM AUS Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has anyone actually seen a copy of the WHWB Strategy Discussion Paper?? I have searched the DHS website and have not found the new paper...only an old one which consists of five small discussion papers on specific target women's groups.for further policy and program development. you can see this at: http://hnb.dhs.vic.gov.au/acmh/phkb.nsf/images/WHWB_Strategy/$file/WHS_wrkngwmn_consult.pdf Hi again all, ooops! Found the final WHWB discussion paper...you can find it at: http://hnb.dhs.vic.gov.au/acmh/phkb.nsf and print off an electronic version. This is the final draft document on the consultations undertaken in the first round in 2001 that targeted the five key populations for action as identified by the Ministerial Advisory Committee on Women's Health and Wellbeing - designated as high needs in women's health policy development on the basis of their 'poor health outcomes'. The groups targeted by the WHWB Strategy are Koori women, lesbians, women in prison and those who have been in prison, women with disabilities and working women. It was interesting to note that on the Vic' Ministerial Advisory Committee on Women's Health and Wellbeing that membership does not include formal midwifery representation..eg: ACMI. Perhaps that's where we need to begin to get birthing issues on such agendas for policy and program development??? While I agree its important that we respond to these consultationswomen's access to birthing services doesn't seem to rate highly in the scheme of things from these reportsIts difficult to have credibility in advocating for midwife-led care and its immense benefits to the health and wellbeing of women, when it doesn't rate a mention in documents setting out the govt's plans and priorities for policy and program development...its seems to me that we are starting behind the ball all the time?? Comments anyone Yours in birth, Tina Pettigrew Birthworks Bachelor of Midwifery Student and Independent CBE Convenor, Aust B. Mid Student Collective. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BMidStudentCollective [EMAIL PROTECTED] As we trust the flowers to open to new life - So we can trust birth Harriette Hartigan. ---
RE: Recommendation
Kirsty I assume by your email address that you are a student at UQ. That's in Brisbane isn't it? (it was when I was a student there) If you really can't plan homebirth, what's wrong with the birth centres at the public hospitals in Brisbane? Why do 'pot luck' doctors need to be involved at all - unless you develop complications of course? The fact that you are on this list means you must be interested in maternity issues. There are lots of people on the list who would work with you through your situation, to help you get the best for yourself, as well as be an effective change agent in the process. Are you interested? Joy Johnston -Original Message- From: Phillip Fogarty [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 5:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Recommendation File: ATT8.htm Hi All, I was wondering if anybody could recommend a Doctor who is highly considerate of a mothers wishes. (I know what is going through your minds after that one... hee hee.) I have spent much time considering my available options (unfortunately home birth is not financially one of them... maybe by the time we have our third they will allow HB Midwives to be covered by insurance...) I don't really want to leave everything to 'pot luck' and hope that I manage to visit the right Doctor who will work WITH me instead of for me. I was quite fortunate that the hospital (public) was so busy on the day I delivered our first child - I had NO intervention, and was told to 'listen to my body' when I was suddenly pushing... When I mentioned to my GP that we would be trying and I wanted to know if she knew anybody who had ideals aligned with my own, she said that she could only go by her own experience and could only therefore recommend her own OB so I would probably be better off talking to friends. I decided this wouldn't help much as I only know two people who have recently had babies and neither of them were happy with their OB's. So any help would be much appreciated! Thanks and keep smiling! Kirsty. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
