Re: question re menstruation
According to the LaLeche League the rule of thumb is - 1/2 of 1 per cent pregnancy rate if fully or nearly fully breastfeeding and amenorrhheic up to 6 months.More intensive breasrfeeding ia associated with with longer durations of amenorrhea. - Original Message - From: Macha McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 9:31 PM Subject: question re menstruation Hiya. Happy long weekend! Just wondering if anybody can give me any information about lactational ammenhorea, and when women can expect their periods back. Whats the longest amount of time you've heard of women resuming menstruation after breastfeeding? Are there any disorders (ex. hormonal, premature menopause) that women can get postnatal/post breastfeeding that would cause menstruation to cease? Thanks! Regards, Macha. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: menstrating and bf
Dear Belinda, Finding their own tucker - LOL. I thought that just happened. My boy slept with me and if i didn't wake he would just attach himself and have a feed. I have pierced nipples and one night forgot to remove the bar - i woke up to hear him slurping and trying really hard to feed around it. That gave me a fright and I removed it for him. Much to his delight and we both went back to sleep. I guess your 22 month old is just letting you do all the work because you have done it for her - that is what she expects. Rhonda. ---Original Message--- From: Belinda Maier Date: Monday, June 10, 2002 14:58:47 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: menstrating and bf Im jealous of you both!!!By the way how do you get them to find their own tucker. My 22 month old still waits for me to move her into position then she attaches. I have never been able to sleep through which is tiring as all mine have fed for every two hours overnight. This one is my longest for being but still feeds a lot at night. Belinda - Original Message - From: barbara glare chris bright To: Ozmidwifery Sent: 09 June, 2002 9:43 Subject: Re: question re menstruation Hi, If we are having a competition , Pinkyg First baby 15mnths, second (tandem feeding for much of the time) 23months, 3rd baby 15months. My body has been very kind Love, Barb . IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
RE: question re menstruation
The info about pregnancy and breastfeeding reminds me of a lovely woman I have helped with 2 homebirths. The first baby was born beautifully and breastfed all was beautiful in their little world. No sign of return of menstrual cycle. About 8 months after the first little fellows' arrival I get a call saying. Will you help me with another birth I'm already 6 months pregnant. Her lack of period and general tiredness and weight she all didn't give much thought to until her new little boy kicked her one day. I think she could have fainted!! She went on to have another beautiful baby boy only 10 months apart. In peace and joy Sally -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: re menstruation
Pinky, I remember that feeling. Of telling my man just to help yourself.. I had him laughing hysterically when I told him. Jump on and Ill lay here and moan. Then he just could stop laughing to be serious at all!! In peace and joy Sally
Pinky
I am trying to educate a 10 year old boy, who used to find his own booby when he was little,that mothers don't find shoes and socks either! Ha Ha Ha Thanks Pinky, after a day of saying to my children that if they don't pick their toys up I am going to give them to all the under privileged children in the world (their response being they don't care cause it is their birthdays next month! What have I created?!) Glad to see I am not alone on this journey! Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 8388 6918birth with trust, faith love...
lactation/menstruation
Further on that fascinating topic...My first baby sucked all night long and cry if nothing in her mouth - if she couldn't find what she wanted, she'd just suck the first bit of skin she could latch on to. Result - lovebites covering breasts, abdomen and sometimes arms, though generally she made sure she was in the right place. Periods returned after 10 months. Second baby hardly fed at night and slept through at an early age, or woke infrequently for short feed then nod back off. Period returned at 12 weeks (pregnant at 14 weeks - bummer) Third baby, another constant craver and like the first would wake and cry if he realised no boob in mouth. Period back after 11 months. My conclusion (! in consultation with other friends who agree with this) that it's the all night suckers who keep the periods away. I'm sure there's a slogan there somewhere... 'if you don't want to bleed, give em boobs while they sleep...?!' Further to that, neither first nor third child suck their thumb (none had dummies) whilst middle does need this comfort. Seems they got their oral gratifiaction in first couple of years. Have always wondered if there are any long-term studies connecting this and smoking in later years.Sally :~) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: lactation/menstruation
This reminded me of a baby boy that was born while I was working in a hospital about 15 yrs ago. He would lay in the nursery with a dummy and you could walk in and hear that he was in the room - he sucked so loudly and so much (this was at less than a day old.) He had a patch of skin missing from his wrist - he had litterally sucked it off in the womb. A large 'love bite' on his wrist that actually scabbed afer a day or two. He had such a strong sucking reflex and from memory was a large baby maybe about 9lbs - I remember giving him his first bath for his Dad and handing him over- the look on his fathers face, so proud and then he said, "What is that on his arm?" I had to try to explain that the baby seemed to have sucked his skin off while in the womb. Has anyone else seen this? I know I used to think - His poor Mum with a suck like that I wondered how her nipples were. I am now wondering if she ever got her period back! LOL Just one of those amusing stories that sticks. Rhonda. ---Original Message--- From: sally mark Date: Monday, June 10, 2002 23:32:09 To: ozmid Subject: lactation/menstruation Further on that fascinating topic...My first baby sucked all night longand cry if nothing in her mouth - if she couldn't find what she wanted,she'd just suck the first bit of skin she could latch on to. Result -lovebites covering breasts, abdomen and sometimes arms, though generallyshe made sure she was in the right place. Periods returned after 10months. Second baby hardly fed at night and slept through at an earlyage, or woke infrequently for short feed then nod back off. Periodreturned at 12 weeks (pregnant at 14 weeks - bummer) Third baby, anotherconstant craver and like the first would wake and cry if he realised noboob in mouth. Period back after 11 months. My conclusion (! inconsultation with other friends who agree with this) that it's the allnight suckers who keep the periods away. I'm sure there's a slogan theresomewhere... 'if you don't want to bleed, give em boobs while theysleep...?!' Further to that, neither first nor third child suck theirthumb (none had dummies) whilst middle does need this comfort. Seemsthey got their oral gratifiaction in first couple of years. Have alwayswondered if there are any long-term studies connecting this and smokingin later years.Sally :~)--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.. IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: Nurse Practitioner Project
Some references for NPs - Taylor,K. The duties of advanced nursing practice - The Lamp, August 2000, p.17 Petty, D. Advancing the practice of nursing, Newsletter of the Rural Health Alliance - Partyline, December 2000, p.16 Oakes,W. Competence not a question, nursing.aust. - The Journal of the NSW College of Nursing,August 2000, 1,3, p.5 Oakes, W. Report supports nurses for rural health jobs. nursing. aust, March 2000, 1,1,p.1. Oakes, W. 40 Nurse Practitioners - far west leads the way, nursing. aust. November 1999, p.1 Moait, S. Editorial, The Lamp, June 2000, p.5 Mitchell, B. Rural remote nurses : third world practitioners or the saviours of the bush?, nursing.aust.,August, 2000, p.12 Harulow, S. Nurse practitioners: defining the achievements, Australian Nursing Journal, 7,7, February 2000, p.20 Hanna, L. Is bribing doctors rge only answers to rural health dilemma?, Nursing Review - Royal College of Nursing, April 2000, p.1 Clark, S. S. Prescribing poer and the power to prescribe, Alternative Law Journal, 25, 1, February 2000, p.29 Goldman, J. Rural remote nursing: in chaos or coping? nursing. aust., 2,3, November 2001, p.1 Wilken, Catherine, No choice for rural women, Midiwfery Matters, December 2001, p.22. Good luck - it's an interesting question. Also look at the NHMRC documents as they recommend that midwives need to have the authority to prescribe order routine path. radiology. This is the difference between where we are now and where we need to get to it's what authorised NPs can do. Otherwise we do not have true autonomy. Liz McCall - Original Message - From: Lisa Frahm To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 7:05 AM Subject: Nurse Practitioner Project Hello everyone, I'm after some midwife's thoughts on the Nurse Practitioner Projects. Do you believe that midwives are already advanced practitioners, and do they have a place in these projects?? I need to write an assignment on how midwives feel about this issue - both those who agree with it and those who oppose it. I believe that the ACMI (SA Branch) has pulled out of the Project in SA, and wonder how credentialing will be achieved without their support. I'd love to hear your views, and any references would be greatly appreciated. In anticipation Lisa Frahm
Cosleeping
All the sharing on the list about the wonderful benefits of cosleeping has stirred my conscience. I have not had children, but can see that this is a very natural thing to do. However, the is a big SIDS prevention push at the hospital where I work, and one of the big no, nos is cosleeping. One of the paeds is on the SIDS committee and apparently there where two cases in our area last year, two cases too many. We have been asked to get parents to sign a form stating that they have received the information on safe sleeping, including the information that cosleeping is not recommended. A midwives, many of us feel uncomfortable with telling mothers that they must not sleep with their babies, and in my practice I was beginning to encourage more and more mothers to kanga cuddle their babies and have a snooze together in the days following the birth. Especially if they were having feeding issues. I do know however, that there are also midwives that if they find a mother and baby asleep in bed together, will remove the baby from the bed! I know that there is also alternative research on cosleeping which I should try and track down, but are there any thoughts from the wise women of this list as to how to approach the current recommendations on SIDS?
Re: Update on our babies (long)
Dear Joy - thanks for sharing your happy and sad news. What an experience for all of you. These are the shared times which bind families together in an inexplicable way. May you comfort and stengthen one another - and may God bless Sally and your precious little grandson. Best wishes, Lois - Original Message - From: Joy Cocks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ozmidwifery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 6:51 AM Subject: Update on our babies (long) Hi everyone, What a week, so much has happened so quickly! I'll try to tell you as briefly as I can - here goes. Sally admitted to tertiary hospital on Wed 29/5 with ruptured membranes on 1st twin, on oral antibiotics, submitted to daily CTG's (but never could get a good trace), told that she would need a C/S because both babies were breech (and it will probably be a classical C/S and you will never have another baby naturally [by a doctor]). Very upset, of course. However, even with the best in the ultrasound department, no-one seemed able to agree on the position of the babies. The plan was for bed rest in hospital to try to keep these babies inside for as long as possible, provided there was no infection. All going along OK, her partner came back to Bright (3 1/2 hr drive) on Sun 2/6, I was going to come back with her little 4 y/o boy, Tasman, on Mon 3/6. However, a phone call to me at 5.30 am Mon from L/W - Sally is having a few niggles, and would like you here, no need to rush. I got there at 6.30 am - quick in there, she's delivered! I went in to find that she had a little girl (twin1) and a little boy, the 3rd stage was being delivered. Masses of people in there - the 3rd set of twins for the night! Matilda had come out as a head/shoulder presentation and Reuben was vertex. Matilda a little stronger than Reuben, but of course lines, monitors and tubes everywhere. Both up to NICU after seeing Sally briefly. I stayed with Sally, who was in total shock with it all. She didn't even feel like she had given birth (and had only just started to enjoy that real blossoming feeling of pregnancy) and of course had laboured and birthed with none of her own support people present. She was up in stirrups, and they were still trying to put on the CTG and talking C/S when the midwife said she's pushing. The doc even was trying to put on a scalp electrode at this stage and ended up cutting Matilda's (Tilly) neck with it. However, no C/S and no stitches, so Sally's recovery has been excellent. I helped her with her shower and then we went up to NICU to see the babies (her partner was still on his way). Both stable, Tilly a little stronger than Reuben, actually mostly breathing on her own, both on routine drugs, treatments, etc. They weighed 880g each. Tilly was bruised around her shoulder and Reuben's head was bruised. Tilly had a lumbar puncture that evening and she was diagnosed with meningitis, however, the staff were pretty confident that she was going OK. Those poor little mites were on more drugs than Sally has had in her entire life!! Then, on Tuesday Tilly was looking as if she was having a little bit of seizure activity, CT etc, late Tuesday revealed she was haemorrhaging into both sides of her brain, she had also developed scepticaemia and looked like she was bleeding into her abdominal cavity. Wed 5/6 - I had seen them early in the morning before doctors' rounds and she was constantly fitting despite Morphine and Phenobarb, etc. I was with Sally when she was called to NICU and this information was given to her and her partner when he rushed over from across the road. They made, what to me, was the only choice and that was to cease treatment and turn everything off. The staff were fantastic, giving us all time, privacy and space. My other daughter was there, Sally's partner's (Russell) sister and brother-in-law were there. Sally and Russell spent a long time just touching and looking at Tilly until they were ready, while we made sure that someone was with Reuben and touching him as well. We held hands and surrounded them while Sally washed and dressed Tilly. They then carried her into a private sitting room and held her as she died which was almost immediately. Sally had asked me to be with Reuben as they turned Tilly's machines off and as she died. He gave a little cry and stopped breathing momentarily at that time, then settled. I saw Tilly's L/W summary which described the whole labour as being a total of 31 mins! (however, Sally had actually been having niggles all night but tried to convince herself that it wasn't labour and hadn't told anyone). When Sally and Russell were ready, we went in to hold and kiss Tilly and I brought Tasman in to cuddle his sister. She won't grow up big will she, but my brother will! Reuben is doing well, having periods off his CPAP, having 1 mil of EBM 4/24, but we still have a long road in front of us. It has just been SO awful, but some positives as well. It is so awful to see
Re: Cosleeping
My understanding from a SIDS Director in WA that Co-sleeping is only cntra indicated if the parents are under the influence of drugs and highly questionable on waterbeds! My experience in the past is that these ancedotal reports of SIDS and co sleeping are just that, anecdotes/stories? Where as SIDS does definitely does happen for babies sleeping alone often in other rooms ! Perhaps some one else has the web site for James McKennas study and other supportive of co-sleeping? The other thing about this SIDS foundation is a great career path for many in laboratories whilst women, mothers are being encouraged to fear for their babies and rely on the instructions of others rather than tune into their babies, breast feed them etc! cynical denise - Original Message - From: Janelle Lyndon Webb To: ozmidwifery Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 11:16 AM Subject: Cosleeping All the sharing on the list about the wonderful benefits of cosleeping has stirred my conscience. I have not had children, but can see that this is a very natural thing to do. However, the is a big SIDS prevention push at the hospital where I work, and one of the big no, nos is cosleeping. One of the paeds is on the SIDS committee and apparently there where two cases in our area last year, two cases too many. We have been asked to get parents to sign a form stating that they have received the information on safe sleeping, including the information that cosleeping is not recommended. A midwives, many of us feel uncomfortable with telling mothers that they must not sleep with their babies, and in my practice I was beginning to encourage more and more mothers to "kanga cuddle" their babies and have a snooze together in the days following the birth. Especially if they were having feeding issues. I do know however, that there are also midwives that if they find a mother and baby asleep in bed together, will remove the baby from the bed! I know that there is also alternative research on cosleeping which I should try and track down, but are there any thoughts from the wise women of this list as to how to approach the current recommendations on SIDS?
Re: Menstruation(lack of it)
I agree Megan - that's what I thought of when I read what Macha wrote. I learnt it from the book. I have picked each time (3) when I was about to begin menstruation again after following the Billings method. Even the last time when it started 6 1/2 weeks postpartum! I never believed the signs though and thought now my body is really stuffed up but the signs were right on! Regards Jayne - Original Message - From: Larry Megan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 10:29 AM Subject: Menstruation(lack of it) Hi Macha, we recently had a Billings Ovulation teacher speak at our coffee morning and it sounds like it could be of use to you. She spoke about using it to establish a cycle, ovulation etc. They have a book but also recommend contacting a qualified teacher for help and support whilst learning. It was really interesting, even in just learning about how amazing women's bodies are. Contact number for them is 1800 335 860 or check out website at www.billings-centre.ab.ca Hope this is helpful Megan Resch -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: terminology and midwifery
Dear everyone My colleague Yoni Luxford and I are writing a paper about the ways the profession, and midwives 'talk about' midwifery, midwives and midwifery practices and what this means for midwifery and the profession. At the moment we are trying to define and clarify the everyday meaning of these. Yoni and I would appreciate your help. Please tell us (either on the list or privately) what you understand by the terms obstetric nurse, nurse midwife and midwifery as well as the characteristics of each group (including similarities and differences in practices). Brief sentences or points would be fine and comments are welcome from everyone. If you thinks its relevant put your qualifications in too ie B Mid student, midwife, prospective student, consumer etc etc. Thanks a million Carol -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: Cosleeping
See below for situation in the US at present: Alert!The Family Bed is under attack by the CPSC(Consumer Product Safety Commission)From The Compleat Mother Magazinehttp://www.compleatmother.com/bedattack.htm The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) and the Juvenile Products Manufacturers Association (JPMA) is launching a mass-media National campaign aimed at "reducing deaths associated with placing babies in adult beds." The campaign will include a video news release that will be fed to stations nationwide along with pamphlets and posters distributed through retailers, hospitals, health departments and various grass roots organizations.Numerous studies and research have proven the family bed to be a safe and beneficial sleeping arrangement. Don't let these organizations frighten other parents with misleading data.Please visit the website to find out many more details and articles about this issue and what you can do to voice your opinion:http://www.compleatmother.com/bedattack.htm Thank you for your time and effort in this important matter.The Compleat Mother staffRebecca Youngemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jody McLaughlinemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greg Crynsemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My understanding from a SIDS Director in WA that Co-sleeping is only cntra indicated if the parents are under the influence of drugs and highly questionable on waterbeds! My experience in the past is that these ancedotal reports of SIDS and co sleeping are just that, anecdotes/stories? Where as SIDS does definitely does happen for babies sleeping alone often in other rooms ! Perhaps some one else has the web site for James McKennas study and other supportive of co-sleeping? The other thing about this SIDS foundation is a great career path for many in laboratories whilst women, mothers are being encouraged to fear for their babies and rely on the instructions of others rather than tune into their babies, breast feed them etc! cynical denise - Original Message - From: Janelle Lyndon Webb To: ozmidwifery Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 11:16 AM Subject: Cosleeping All the sharing on the list about the wonderful benefits of cosleeping has stirred my conscience. I have not had children, but can see that this is a very natural thing to do. However, the is a big SIDS prevention push at the hospital where I work, and one of the big no, nos is cosleeping. One of the paeds is on the SIDS committee and apparently there where two cases in our area last year, two cases too many. We have been asked to get parents to sign a form stating that they have received the information on safe sleeping, including the information that cosleeping is not recommended. A midwives, many of us feel uncomfortable with telling mothers that they must not sleep with their babies, and in my practice I was beginning to encourage more and more mothers to "kanga cuddle" their babies and have a snooze together in the days following the birth. Especially if they were having feeding issues. I do know however, that there are also midwives that if they find a mother and baby asleep in bed together, will remove the baby from the bed! I know that there is also alternative research on cosleeping which I should try and track down, but are there any thoughts from the wise women of this list as to how to approach the current recommendations on SIDS?
Re: Cosleeping
In a message dated 6/11/02 9:21:28 AM W. Australia Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know that there is also alternative research on cosleeping which I should try and track down, but are there any thoughts from the wise women of this list as to how to approach the current recommendations on SIDS? In The Austrlain today: Peter Fleming (who was instrumental in the "Back to Sleep" campaign in th UK) quoted as saying that mothers can safely sleep with their baby in the first few months, possibly enhancing the child's development as there is no significant risk of cot death to babies who slept in the same baby as their mother. However, where mothers smoke and sleep with their baby, there is a significant increase risk. Also babies placed in another room were also at a greater risk. Certainly, in the UK, it is now suggested that babies share their parents' room for the first 6 months (I think), and, providing parents don't drink or do drugs can co-sleep. Debbie Slater Perth, WA
Re: Cosleeping
Hi Janelle List However, the is a big SIDS prevention push at the hospital where I work, and one of the big no, nos is cosleeping. I do know however, that there are also midwives that if they find a mother and baby asleep in bed together, will remove the baby from the bed! Had I not had a similar experience I would not have believed such a statement! I had my last baby in February of this year. Because I also had a toddler I decided to transfer to the hospitals post natal ward for some "rest"(ha ha ha). The night shift midwife and I had a severe disagreement at 1am because *gasp* I had my baby in bed with me. Her exact words to me were " youwill roll over and kill her!" and "didn't read hospital guidelines? We don't recommend it here - it's very dangerous blah blah blah" My very nice (compared to her hostility)reply was "Well my first child is still alive and there are lots of studies into the benefits of co sleeping. Besides that she's hungry and she's feeding every 20 minutes and I am too tired to be sitting up and feed her like that all night. This is much easier for both of us.Thankyou for pointing the hospital guidelines out - I understand and I choose not to follow them" She then proceeded to try and convince me to let her take the baby away "if I was that bothered by her" ?!??!?! Lots of other things happened during the course of the night which I won't go into but needless to say I left first thing in the morning after my "rest". We have been asked to get parents to sign a form stating that they have received the information on safe sleeping, including the information that cosleeping is not recommended. Are the hospitals panicking about liability?? This I can understand but still...it doesn't seem right. Don't know if my story is really relevant but it was something that had bothered me for a long time. I dread to think how a first time mother would feel after being spoken to like that. I guess I am still naive sometimes in thinking that the rest of the world is as open minded as I am LOL. Hugs, Larissa
re:cosleeping
I don't know how the doctor can say it's not on, as the literature for professionals from SIDS says co sleeping is only a problem if smokers, more than usual alcohol, drugs or excessive tiredness. It even states sleeping in the same room is protective for the first 6 months. Anyway a doc/midwife/nurse etc can't make you do or not do anything. Louise Dimmock McLeod [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cosleeping
Hi, Just been listening to radio 3LO in Melb (ABC) Dr James Fleming from the UK was talking about recent research conducted in the UK into co-sleeping. Babies who slept in another room from their parents had twice the risk of SIDS. When risk factors were removed from the co-sleeping arrangement (alcohol, drugs, smoking, overly soft bedding) there was no additional risk of co-sleeping compared to sleeping within arms reach of mum (and less than sleeping in another room I think we'll hear a lot of this in the next few days. Love, Barb
S*ubscription to International Journal of Childbirth Education
Hi All Just to let you know that each year I organise a group s*ubscription to the 'International Journal of Childbirth Education' (IJCE) the official quarterly publication of the International Childbirth Education Association. As a member of the group s*ubscription the cost is $54.00 Australian - It is much cheaper than if you s*ubscribe as an individual to the journal. If you s*ubscribe to the IJCE as an individual - the cost is $40.00 US (around $70.00 with current exchange rates). As a member of the group s*ubscription you receive an individual journal (just as if you s*ubscribed as an individual). The journal covers a broad range of topics. For example the March 2002 edition contained: Breastfeeding and Healthcare Professionals: A review of knowledge, attitudes and the experience towards breastfeeding In my opinion Lifetime uses for Childbirth skills Focal Point on Postnatal Education: Postpartum depression: The most frequent complication of childbirth. Ethical and legal issues in reproductive health: Considerations for the childbirth educator Plus lots more topics. If you are interested in finding out more or s*ubscribing you can contact me via email or phone (02) 9873 1750. Cheers Jane Palmer Pregnancy, Birth and Beyond Caring, Professional Midwifery Services Sydney Visit http://www.pregnancy.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
