[ozmidwifery] animals eating Placenta
What animals (of mammals obviously) do eat their placentas? Is it the majority or more the exception? Interesting... Jen -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Fwd: insurance bailout for obstetricians.....
---BeginMessage--- Dear Vanessa Re: Insurance bailout for obstetricians I write to you on behalf of the members of the Australian Bachelor of Midwifery Student Collective inquiring of the College's response to the federal governments plans to 'bailout' obstetricians to the tune of $30M for professional indemnity insurance...(Editorial, The Australian 8 October)? Midwives have yet again been ignored by the federal government on issues of professional indemnity insurance and we as midwifery students are now also bearing the burden of the insurance crisis, unable to undertake certain aspects of our accredited courses due to the withdrawal of professional indemnity coverage from our education providers. As members of the B Mid Student Collective and as student members of the College, we ask that ACMI respond to this untenable situation with utmost urgency to pursue equality for Australia's midwives and midwifery students by ensuring equity of access to government funded assistance for professional indemnity insurance cover. Yours in reforming midwifery Tina Pettigrew. For members of the Australian Bachelor of Midwifery Student Collective. ---End Message---
RE: [ozmidwifery] animals eating Placenta
I believe it is most. They eat it in an attempt to prevent predators from smelling it and threaten the baby. I have been told cows and sheep eat their placentas if left alone for the same reason. Maureen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jennifer Semple Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 4:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] animals eating Placenta What animals (of mammals obviously) do eat their placentas? Is it the majority or more the exception? Interesting... Jen -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] animals eating Placenta
My mare had a foal when I was ateenager and definitely did not eat the placenta despite prolonged opportunity to do so; the foal was born at night during a storm (of course), she was alone with her babyfor 16 hr afterand the placenta was still lying there on the ground when the vet arrived the check her out the next afternoon. He expected it to be there too, he went looking for it to examine to make sure it was intact (grossing me out). She was a most attentive mother for the two years until weaning took place, baby led- the mare would parade in front of the filly with a full udder but the filly was less and less inclined to oblige and finally separated altogether. I was quite fascinated as I'd been told by my pro-breastfeeding mother that her milk would reduce as the youngster stopped nursing but it didn't seem to happen that way. From memory the mare had a few very uncomfortable days, who knows, maybe she had a pituitary problem... Monica IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [ozmidwifery] animals eating Placenta
Interesting hearing of a mare eating her placenta. In my experience, mares don't usually do this. The placenta of a horse is EXTREMELY interesting and quite different to humans, in that it encompases the whole uterine cavity and the horns of the uterus (up the fallopian tubes), and the membranes are joined to it, so when it's all spread out for examination it looks like a big pair of trousers -- very wierd by comparision to humans. It usually comes straight after the foal, and the mare's attention is on the foal - licking it to stimulate and dry it. I'll check with some friends who are breeders, and two clients who are vets (and birth wonderfully I might add!!) to get some more info. Third stage is just SO fascinating, isn't it?? Cheers, Lois - Original Message - From: Monica Hook To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 6:09 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] animals eating Placenta My mare had a foal when I was ateenager and definitely did not eat the placenta despite prolonged opportunity to do so; the foal was born at night during a storm (of course), she was alone with her babyfor 16 hr afterand the placenta was still lying there on the ground when the vet arrived the check her out the next afternoon. He expected it to be there too, he went looking for it to examine to make sure it was intact (grossing me out). She was a most attentive mother for the two years until weaning took place, baby led- the mare would parade in front of the filly with a full udder but the filly was less and less inclined to oblige and finally separated altogether. I was quite fascinated as I'd been told by my pro-breastfeeding mother that her milk would reduce as the youngster stopped nursing but it didn't seem to happen that way. From memory the mare had a few very uncomfortable days, who knows, maybe she had a pituitary problem... Monica IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
[ozmidwifery] Sonja Sehlholf
Title: Message Sonja...are you there?? Please email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]Vicki
[ozmidwifery] Re: [BMidStudentCollective] Jessdelirious.
WOW !, Life doesn't get much more Amazing than that, and fancy this, one day you'll actuallyget paid to feel that good! "Jess, the all dancing all singing Midwife". I can see it now. Congrats... Julie:) Jess wrote. dear All,I am happy, stoked, proud, thrilled and woohoo-ed to announce that today saw the arrival of a baby, which coinsided with me assisting at my very first live birth!i rushed to the hospital at 3am this morning and at 12.40 in the afternoon mr 9.5pounds reared his [HUGE] head!! i cried!i was able to get really envolved, it was amazing! mum was EXCELLENT! 13hrs of labour, strong contractions and using only the gas. however, her dialation seemed to halt around 9cm which was frustrating. but to cut a long story short, the big beautiful head was born then within minutes the even bigger shoulders then he was here! im suprised you didnt all hear me singing and dancing around with joy!mum and bub are fine, student midwife dancing around the room like a crazy person!just had to share!take care!!love [a delirious] Jess[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
[ozmidwifery] Becky
Title: Message Becky, can you email me privately? Vicki [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of paul dunwellSent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 11:31 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Reply required urgently: determining risk of uterine rupture?Importance: High Dear Vicki I was just about to email you. When you said that you aren't taking clients, do you mean as a midwife only or also as a doula? I only indep mw are a rare breed but we hope the other mw's on the list will reply. Although my body freezes up at the thought or mention of hospital, Selangor was looking like a possiblity. After looking at the hospital fees plus associated costs, birthing at Selangor is not a viable option for us. So, I guess I'm back to the drawing board. Anyway, thank you for contacting me and I would still love to know whether you attend as a support/doula. Regards, Becky - Original Message - From: Vicki Chan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 6:58 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Reply required urgently: determining risk of uterine rupture? Dear Becky, I am not currently taking clients but have attended quite a few women over the years having homebirths after their previous cesarean sections. It has never been my practice to request a scan or ob/gyn advice (we can guess that without paying all those$$). Independent midwives are a rare breed in this part of the world and if you have spoken to two, that may be it! Another alternative is to consider Selangor Hospital at Nambour who are very supportive of VBAC. All the best, Vicki Chan -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of paul dunwellSent: Friday, October 11, 2002 10:33 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Reply required urgently: determining risk of uterine rupture?Importance: High Thank you Robyn. I agree with you to go with my instincts but I needed to check if the ultrasound is a standard procedure of c-sectioned women who are interested in homebirthing. I'm left with a feeling of uneasiness to know that the 2 random midwives (from Sunshine Coast and Brissy area) that I called, would suggest that to me unless are to go by the insurance crisis is really getting a hold of the independent midwives as well. I still have several midwives to call or await replies. And I washoping that someone on this website can suggest other midwives that I can contact. So far, the 2 midwives, mentioned above, were the only 2 who called back. Becky - Original Message - From: Robyn Thompson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 8:16 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Reply required urgently: determining risk of uterine rupture? Hi Becky No tests are conclusive. Each makes a total picture like a jigsaw. The real test will be to say no and not accept to much medical input. There are a few really good books with statistics about Natural Birth after Caesarean Section. Contact Acegraphics.com.au for the current authors and be guided by your instincts in the main. You would be better to labour and birth at home away from the fear of intervention and have a backup booking at a hospital of your choice and try to find a cooperative obstetrician of a GP with obs/gyn to be availabe if you decide you need medical opininion or assistance. Keep interviewing you will find the right people to empower you. There is a lot of information on the net under the title VBAC - Vaginal Birth After Caesarean Section. Hope this is helpful regards, Robyn www.melbmidwifery.com.au -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of paul dunwellSent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:37 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Reply required urgently: determining risk of uterine rupture?Importance: High Greetings to everyone on the list. I'm new to the list. I'm expecting my third child due in March. I've had 2 c-sections previously and was automatically told that consequtive pregnancies will be c-sections. I am not comfortable with this and have started searching for midwives who will attend homebirths. Until
Re: [ozmidwifery] flouride suppliments in pregnancy
Hi all, My child who is now 12 has a few teeth with little enamel on them because I needed to take antibiotics during pregnancy for recurrent uti's. I think its referred to as Hyperplastic teeth. Also my husband runs the water treatment plant that services the Adelaide hills and I know for a fact that Fluoride is added to the municipal water supply as " Mass Medication!" I will ask him to find out what the current knowledge is on the subject of safety in Pregnancy. Julie Garratt:) - Original Message - From: Rhonda Sent: Monday, 14 October 2002 1:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] flouride suppliments in pregnancyI did a study on Flouridation in the water a long time ago - during my HSC, but I do remember that it is only of some benefit to children aged 5 to 13 yrs and after the age of 13 it begins to build up in the body and may become a carsinogen or cause calcifying of the bonesand joints - hence arthritis. So i can't see it being of benefit to a developing baby or the mother. I think for healthy teeth and bones it would be far better to increase or make sure that the bodies intake of calcium is adequate. They used to say that women lost teeth from childbirth but this is more due to a lack of calcium than flouride. It has been removed from the water supply in many places around the world after trials caused adverse affects. I think Japan was one place that introduced it and then removed it again. (That is just from memory of my studies - so I may be wrong??) And to note on the discolouration, I ask my dentist if I should give Katelyn flouride being born prem her teeth from both the prematurity and the drugs came through with little to no enamel on a few of them. The dentist said that her second teeth would probably be fine - (so far the ones that have come through now are great!) And too much flouride causes white spots to develop on the teeth and so it is not really a good idea. So I guess discolouring of teeth may be a direct result of flouride. Hope all that helps. regards Rhonda. ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 14, 2002 12:42:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] flouride suppliments in pregnancy I can only speak from personal experience. I lived in PNG when I was a young woman and had my babies there. we drank only rain water and the big push in australia was for fluoride supplements. I took them with one of my children and gave them all childrens doses when they were growing. When his teeth came through he was the only one with discoloured teeth. For that and all the other reasons about fluoride being a poison, I wouldn't recommend it. MM IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] flouride suppliments in pregnancy
After the studies I did about it causing cancer and being of no use medically after the age of 13yrs i am glad I do not live in Adelaide. I would not drink it. I wonder if the dentists in Adelaide see a difference and I wonder how many people have arthritis and cancer from it?? I guess itwill be 50 yrs before we will know if it is good or bad - a lot of arthritic cancer ridden patients with perfect teeth. LOL I have only rain water here - as pure as it comes and glad of it. Rhonda ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 22:52:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] flouride suppliments in pregnancy Hi all, My child who is now 12 has a few teeth with little enamel on them because I needed to take antibiotics during pregnancy for recurrent uti's. I think its referred to as Hyperplastic teeth. Also my husband runs the water treatment plant that services the Adelaide hills and I know for a fact that Fluoride is added to the municipal water supply as " Mass Medication!" I will ask him to find out what the current knowledge is on the subject of safety in Pregnancy. Julie Garratt:) - Original Message - From: Rhonda Sent: Monday, 14 October 2002 1:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] flouride suppliments in pregnancy I did a study on Flouridation in the water a long time ago - during my HSC, but I do remember that it is only of some benefit to children aged 5 to 13 yrs and after the age of 13 it begins to build up in the body and may become a carsinogen or cause calcifying of the bonesand joints - hence arthritis. So i can't see it being of benefit to a developing baby or the mother. I think for healthy teeth and bones it would be far better to increase or make sure that the bodies intake of calcium is adequate. They used to say that women lost teeth from childbirth but this is more due to a lack of calcium than flouride. It has been removed from the water supply in many places around the world after trials caused adverse affects. I think Japan was one place that introduced it and then removed it again. (That is just from memory of my studies - so I may be wrong??) And to note on the discolouration, I ask my dentist if I should give Katelyn flouride being born prem her teeth from both the prematurity and the drugs came through with little to no enamel on a few of them. The dentist said that her second teeth would probably be fine - (so far the ones that have come through now are great!) And too much flouride causes white spots to develop on the teeth and so it is not really a good idea. So I guess discolouring of teeth may be a direct result of flouride. Hope all that helps. regards Rhonda. ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 14, 2002 12:42:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] flouride suppliments in pregnancy I can only speak from personal experience. I lived in PNG when I was a young woman and had my babies there. we drank only rain water and the big push in australia was for fluoride supplements. I took them with one of my children and gave them all childrens doses when they were growing. When his teeth came through he was the only one with discoloured teeth. For that and all the other reasons about fluoride being a poison, I wouldn't recommend it. MM IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
[ozmidwifery] Jane Myers
Title: Message Jane are you there? Or does anyone have Jane's number in Melbourne? Thanks, Vicki
Re: [ozmidwifery] Jane Myers
Title: Message Hi Vicki I have passed your email on to Jane - she is unwell at the moment -and very much in need of all loving wishes and prayers. She is trying to keep her energy for healing so is not doing much emailing/ contacting people. Pinky - Original Message - From: Vicki Chan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 11:14 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Jane Myers Jane are you there? Or does anyone have Jane's number in Melbourne? Thanks, Vicki
Re: [ozmidwifery] animals eating Placenta
In my research for this proposal, it says that all mammals eat their placentas, except us humans!! - Original Message - From: Jennifer Semple [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 4:34 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] animals eating Placenta What animals (of mammals obviously) do eat their placentas? Is it the majority or more the exception? Interesting... Jen -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: insurance bailout for obstetricians.....
Did you REALLY send this.. Please don't send attatchments. MM - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 3:19 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: insurance bailout for obstetricians. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Jean Sutton
Hello List I am a midwife and interested in Jean Sutton's optimal positioning theory. I would like to e-mail or talk to her, does anyone haveher contact address or phone number? Regards Felicity
Re: [ozmidwifery] Jean Sutton
Dear Felicity - you could try contacting Jan Cornfoot of Capers Bookstores. www.capersbookstore.com.au Jan organised the Birth Issues conference in Noosa recently, and had Pauline Scott (Jean Sutton's co author of OFP) presenting on the subject. Jan could probably help you contact Pauline, who is in contact with Jean. It IS a very interesting topic, and I learned a great deal about OFP when I attended Pauline's workshops at the conference. Best wishes, Lois - Original Message - From: Felicity Cummins To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 8:21 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Jean Sutton Hello List I am a midwife and interested in Jean Sutton's optimal positioning theory. I would like to e-mail or talk to her, does anyone haveher contact address or phone number? Regards Felicity
