[ozmidwifery] Status of Women

2002-11-16 Thread Larry Megan
As promised, I have the info of who to contact around Australia, so happy
writing and visiting,
Cheers
megan.

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[ozmidwifery] NMAP

2002-11-16 Thread Sandra J. Eales



Thought I would let you all know aboutanother 
little step taken today.
Regional ALP Conference held in Cairns today 
unanimouslycarried the motion -
"That the conference endorse the National Maternity 
Action Plan and recommmend it to the State and Federal Health policy committees 
for consideration and implementation" 

Sandra


Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: Should Kids Witness A Birth ?

2002-11-16 Thread Julie Garratt
There was another funny story a bit like this one. A mother gave birth with the help of paramedics in her car in front of her amazed four year old. The local news interviewed the family a few days later and the child was asked by the reporter " I bet you know were babies come from" yes she said from under the car seats. cute ha! and a true story:)  Julie'',   - Original Message - From: Rhonda Sent: Saturday, 16 November 2002 11:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: Should Kids Witness A Birth ?   Stay Happy Rhonda. Subject: should kids witness birth?Should kids witness a birth? A true story: Short and VERY funny!It was late at night and Heidi, who was expecting her second child washome alone with her 3-year old daughter Katelyn. When Heidi started going into labor, she called "911".Due to a power outage at the time, only one paramedic responded to thecall. The house was very, very dark, so the paramedic asked Katelyn tohold a flashlight high over her mommy so he could see while he helped deliverthe baby. Very diligently, Katelyn did as she was asked.Heidi pushed and pushed, and after a little while Connor was born. Theparamedic lifted him by his little feet and spanked him on his bottom.Connor began to cry.The paramedic then thanked Katelyn for her help and asked the wide-eyed3-year old what she thought about what she had just witnessed.Katelyn quickly responded, "He shouldn't have crawled in there in thefirst place. Spank him again!"  IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com


Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: [MCNSW] more interventions for labour!

2002-11-16 Thread Rhonda








  
  "speeded up with prostaglandin gels or synthetic 
  hormones" Hmm- OR synthetic - which supports the pig semen 
  theory. (sorry!)
  
  And my concern in what about moulding? Doesn't a lot of 
  moulding happen as far as the mothers body, hips and pelvis etc.
  
  I know a girl who had a really short labour but then went into 
  shock.
  
  Rhonda
  
  
  
  ---Original Message---
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: Saturday, 
  November 16, 2002 13:27:41
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] 
  Fw: [MCNSW] more interventions for labour!
  
  
  - Original Message - 
  From: Virginia Miltrup 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 8:08 AM
  Subject: [MCNSW] more interventions for labour!
  
  a proposed drug to reduce the time of first 
  labour to 2-3 hours by softening the collagen in the cervix! The 
  scientists reckon it doesn't hurt more, (but then again they might have 
  been blokes :-)). Website listed below.
  Love Kate
  PS What about all those women who were 
  already going to have quick births??
  
  http://www.ivenus.com/family/news/LC-notebook1-wk40.asp 

  less labour? If only childbirth weren't such hard work. it may soon 
  get easier, thanks to a new drug.
  The move is on to shorten childbirth via a new drug that is due to be 
  tested later this year, according to a report in the New Scientist.
  The theory is that a shorter labour should be less painful and require 
  less intervention on the part of doctors. The average time that most 
  first-time mums spend in labour is around 18 hours, and while this can be 
  speeded up with prostaglandin gels or synthetic hormones, these drugs can 
  make labour unbearably painful and may make women feel the urge to push 
  before the cervix is fully opened. This in itself can lead to 
  complications. 
  The new drug, developed and patented by Britain's Medical Research 
  Council, may cut the average labour down to only two or three hours. Most 
  of the long, painful hours of labour are spent as the cervix slowly opens 
  from tightly closed to 10 centimetres. 
  Many women feel they have been in labour forever and rush into the 
  hospital expecting to deliver instantly only to be told they are just two 
  or three centimetres dilated! For most women (although there are those who 
  have quick births), dilation of the cervix is a slow process. The new 
  drug, however, is designed to speed up this process by softening the 
  collagen in the cervix. It is likely to be administered either through 
  gel, cream, microcapsules or injection, although as yet it is not known 
  what form it will take. So far it has only been tested on monkeys. In 
  these cases, the Scottish firm Ardana Bioscience, which has the licence 
  for the new drug, reports it worked very effectively.
  By Marianne 
  HartiganMaternity Coalition 
  NSWwww.maternitycoalition.org.auTo unsubscribe from this 
  group, send an email 
  to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Your use 
  of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. 
  
  





	
	
	
	
	
	
	




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Re: [ozmidwifery] Ultrasounds

2002-11-16 Thread Rhonda








  
  On your note of missed idagnosis - my firends baby has 'global' 
  damage and CP and was blind at birth, has siezuresand has a host of 
  other problems
  She had ultrasounds, and an amniosentisis ( however that is spelt??) 
  and the diagnosis was that all was fine. The only complication at 
  birth was the cord was around his neck a few times - this may have 
  contributed to his problems, however her first baby had the cord around 
  the neck too and is fine.
  
  She had all of the tests with the belief that she would not cope with 
  a baby that had problems. 
  
  She is coping wonderfully and has adapted well to the huge life 
  changes this baby has made to her life.
  
  What is meant to be is meant to be. No matter how we try to 
  control our lives - these things just happen.
  
  Regards
  
  Rhonda
  
  ---Original Message---
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: Saturday, 
  November 16, 2002 15:09:49
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] 
  Ultrasounds
  
  Dear Jodie  List,
  
  I agree with Marilyn that there are lots of 
  other signs that make the pregnancy real - fetal movements are not the 
  only ones. There are plenty of changes in your body  
  mind.
  
  Another negative aspect of ultrasound that 
  hasn't really been discussed is the amount of times they get it wrong, or 
  see something 'unusual' but have no idea what it means.
  
  Here's just a small selection of ultrasound 
  stuff-ups that I have seen in my practice
  
  - a baby with only two chambers in it's heart 
  - this was missed on 2 ultrasounds
  - a woman with a Grade 4 placenta previa - 
  missed on 3-4 ultrasounds
  - a baby that had 'ascites' detected on 
  ultrasound - this woman was transferred to the capital city thousands of 
  kms away from family  friends, and the baby delivered 
  prematurely. It didn't have ascites or any other detectable 
  abnormality, but now has a host of problems resulting from prematurity and 
  long separations from its mother.
  Imagine the different scenario if she's never 
  had the routine ultrasound in the first place.
  - a baby that had 'shadows' on its heart on 
  ultrasound. No-one could tell the woman what this meant. This 
  considerably increased her anxiety levels - not reduced them. The 
  baby was and is perfectly healthy.
  - There have also been a number of cleft 
  palates that have been missed, countless heart defects that have either 
  been missed or are not detectable on ultrasound, a missed spinal 
  defect.
  - Weight predictions that are often wrong - 
  by up to 1.5kg.
  
  These were done by a variety of 
  ultrasonongraphers using a variety of equipment.
  
  How can anyone be reassured by ultrasound, 
  when they are so unreliable?
  
  They are not a perfect tool, but their use is 
  sometimes warranted when there is an indication - then they are not used 
  alone in diagnosis, but as one part of a complete assessment.I 
  don't believe that they should be used routinely or for social 
  reasons. We don't give people the choice of having social xrays, CT 
  scans etc - because there are potential negative aspects of their 
  use. We only use these technologies when we have an indication, not 
  because someone wants to see a picture of their brain, etc.
  
  Routine use of ultrasounds only serves to 
  fill the pockets of private companies.
  
  Well, that's my say.
  
  Jacky
  
  
  
  
  





	
	
	
	
	
	
	




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RE: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Social use of Ultrasound in Pregnancy

2002-11-16 Thread Vicki Chan
Oh do everyone read Expecting Adam by Martha Beck...

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Margie
Perkins
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 5:03 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Social use of Ultrasound in
Pregnancy


Julia

I agree with what you are saying about the anxiety. The pressure to be a
perfect incubator - the guilt feltover doing this or doing that - and
produce a perfect baby is big. I had an interesting conversation with a
woman the other day. I supported her for her first baby's birth two
years ago and have been invited back for the next one in April. Last
time she was really worried about 'problems' and as she was 38years old
had nuchal fold stuff done which looked ok so she didn't proceed with
anything more but was stil anxious. This time, at 40, she is not doing
any testing  because as she says 'I wouldn't do anything ( termination)
and I know I'll manage, whatever I have to. So she has gained
confidence through her first birth and two years. It was lovely to hear.

Margie

At Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:56:51 +1100, 
Julie Clarke ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 Dear Sally
 I agree in theory that ultrasound can reduce anxiety over baby's 
 wellbeing, however, when I started teaching classes 15 years ago 
 everyone was mildly anxious over their baby's wellbeing, and currently

 I find they are actually more anxious.
 How do I measure this ?
 By listening carefully during the large group and small group
 discussions in my classes.  The words they use to describe the 
 intensity
 of their anxiety etc.
 I find this psychological aspect very interesting.
 Let me pose this idea to all -
 I think that by putting ultrasound on the agenda of every pregnancy
 routinely the health dept are actually giving the impression they 
 EXPECT
 abnormalities.
 Further that if there are abnormalities they SHOULD be disposed of.
 I think that it is inferred to the expectant couples by the dept of
 Health.
 I have come to this conclusion because 15 years ago couples would 
 often
 agree - Well we'd love it anyway even if there was something 
 abnormal
 But I'm not hearing that anymore - in fact recently a man - a 
 first time
 Dad - in one of my classes said -
  I'm really looking forward to it - I am really looking forward to
 having this baby as long as everythings all right.
 It spooked me for the moment and I went on to clarify that even 
 when
 babies have imperfections they still need our love -   
 after all who can claim to be perfect ?
 hug
 Julie Clarke
 Childbirth and Parenting Educator
 Transition into Parenthood
 9 Withybrook Pl
 Sylvania  NSW  2224
 T. (02) 9544 6441
 F (02) 9544 9257
 M. 0401 265 530
 email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Sally 
 Westbury
 Sent: Friday, 15 November 2002 11:44 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Social use of
 Ultrasound in
 Pregnancy
  
 The women I work with usually don't have ultrasounds. It is easy
 with
 this group of women who are making informed choices throughout 
 their
 journey. 
  
 I approach ultrasound discussions from many viewpoints.
  
 1.   Safety?? Or lack of?? 
 2.   The usefulness of the u/s,ie what will we do with the
 information that we gain, will the information change the
 pregnancy or
 birth plan. In the harshest terms if at 18 week scan there was an
 abnormality would she terminate the pregnancy? 
  
 When put in this light many choose not to have one.
  
 Sometimes the benefits outweigh the disadvantages, for example a
 woman
 so worried about whether her baby is 'normal' an ultrasound can be 
 of
 great benefit. Even then it just shows me that in fact what we 
 need to
 do is to work with this woman's belief in herself and trust in her
 pregnancy, birthing and parenting and so another bridge is crossed 
 on
 this particular journey.
  
 It is not often clinically needed and even then often is not as 
 enlightening as we would hope. For example a woman really worried 
 about having another big baby after a 3rd degree tear first time 
 around was
 assured that her baby was 3.6kg one week before the birth (even 
 though
 we thought this was not correct) was in fact 5.2kg.. (no this is 
 not a
 mistake 5.2kg) 
  
 I guess in having a little review of the literature one that
 reassures
 me that my general way of practicing is on track is that the use of
 ultrasounds has not changed outcomes for mother or baby. So in 
 light of
 the research u/s is just causing a lot of angst with misdiagnosis 
 and
 costs the health system huge amounts of money. (see Cochrane review
 http://www.update-software.com/abstracts/ab001450.htm )
  
 Sally Westbury
  
 -
 I had a chat with my hubby about this issue as he is a
 sonographer.  
 On the accuracy of the image representations they are actually very
 accurate.  

[ozmidwifery] RE: Seeking Sri Lanka Midwife

2002-11-16 Thread Andrea Bilcliff
Hi Alesa,

Heather's contact details are listed in the back of the latest issue of ALCA
Galaxy. I can send them to you offlist if you haven't recieved them from
someone else yet.

Andrea Bilcliff

- Original Message -

Dear List  (especially Melbourne Listers)

have just come from a meeting where someone else had the brilliant idea of
touching base with Heather Harris. Can anyone help me with her email or
other contact details?

Alesa

Alesa Koziol
Clinical Midwifery Educator
Melbourne


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RE: [ozmidwifery] NMAP

2002-11-16 Thread Lynne Staff



fantastic!!! - wouldn't it be wonderful to eventually see a tsunami 
develop from all of these pockets of activity?

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sandra J. 
  EalesSent: Saturday, 16 November 2002 8:45 PMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: Barbara Cook; 
  BruceSubject: [ozmidwifery] NMAP
  Thought I would let you all know 
  aboutanother little step taken today.
  Regional ALP Conference held in Cairns today 
  unanimouslycarried the motion -
  "That the conference endorse the National 
  Maternity Action Plan and recommmend it to the State and Federal Health policy 
  committees for consideration and implementation" 
  
  Sandra


Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: Milk

2002-11-16 Thread Marilyn Kleidon



Just a tiny note here: the nutrient 
(protein,fat,sugar, vitamin,) used in the manufacture of the infant 
formula is not genetically modified itself. It is the product of a genetically 
modified plant and so the product has to be labelled as such, however unless the 
actual modified DNA is in the infant formula (and I don't see why it would be) 
then no baby should be ingesting the modified DNA. This being said, I am not in 
favour at all of GM foods but from an environmental, sustainable agriculture, 
and politicalview point, I really do not believe the foods are in 
themselves harmful, with the possible exception of whole grain GM foods (seems a 
strange mix to me) where the consumer would be ingesting modified DNA. I saw 
what I think is a tragic ramification of the fear of GM foods on TV the other 
noght. An African country, gripped by drought has been sent tonnes of grain 
which is GM. The government is refusing to ditribute the grain and the people 
are starving. Very sad. A huge mistake by the food aid agencies, and while I can 
certainly understand the governments reluctance to use the grain because of its 
huge environmental consequences, especially in 3rd world agriculture where true 
breeding seed grain is critical, as a food source, I trully believe it would be 
harmless. Must go.

marilyn

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Robyn 
  Thompson 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 4:02 
  AM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] RE: Milk 

  
  Terry
  Can 
  we access this information so it can be placed on a Link or how can we obtain 
  the written document?
  
  thanks, Robyn
  
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Terry 
Garnons-WilliamsSent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 12:12 
PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: 
Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: Milk 
Of note is a recent booklet put 
out by GreenPeace - after extensive exploration, S26 was found to contain 
Genetically modified products... makes me wonder what we are doing in 
hospitals with our very tiny bubs, feeding them S26 routinely... Heinz 
on the other hand does not appear to contain GMO's - I discuss these 
findingswith every mother who is (or is considering) formula feeding - 
again, many do not know and would probably look at breast feeding a little 
bit closer if they did know.
Cheers! Terry

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Robyn 
  Thompson 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 
  8:24 AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] RE: Milk 

  
  The same applies to the risks of Cow's milk formulas, many babies 
  are sensitised in-utero because of the mothers ingestion during pregnancy 
  and then they have increased risks of all the problems associated with 
  Dairy products.
  


RE: [ozmidwifery] Fw: [MCNSW] more interventions for labour!

2002-11-16 Thread Lynne Staff



I have seen many women who have experienced 
short labours (including protin labours) who are completely overwhelmed both 
physically and emotionally from the expereince, and I am not talking about the 
overwhelming experience of birth eitherthey shake and are in a stse of 
shock. It is often difficult for them to integrate what has happened and later, 
many of them ask for a longer labour and gentler birth next time. It's 
like their minds and bodies can't catch up with the other.

  [Lynne 
  Staff]-Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of 
  RhondaSent: Saturday, 16 November 2002 4:40 PMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: 
  [MCNSW] more interventions for labour!
  


  

"speeded up with prostaglandin gels or synthetic 
hormones" Hmm- OR synthetic - which supports the pig semen 
theory. (sorry!)

And my concern in what about moulding? Doesn't a lot of 
moulding happen as far as the mothers body, hips and pelvis etc.

I know a girl who had a really short labour but then went into 
shock.

Rhonda



---Original 
Message---


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Saturday, 
November 16, 2002 13:27:41
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: 
[ozmidwifery] Fw: [MCNSW] more interventions for labour!


- Original Message - 
From: Virginia Miltrup 

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 8:08 AM
Subject: [MCNSW] more interventions for labour!

a proposed drug to reduce the time of first 
labour to 2-3 hours by softening the collagen in the cervix! The 
scientists reckon it doesn't hurt more, (but then again they might have 
been blokes :-)). Website listed below.
Love Kate
PS What about all those women who were 
already going to have quick births??

http://www.ivenus.com/family/news/LC-notebook1-wk40.asp 

less labour? 
If only childbirth weren't such 
hard work. it may soon get easier, thanks to a new drug.
The move is on to shorten childbirth via a new drug that is due to be 
tested later this year, according to a report in the New Scientist.
The theory is that a shorter labour should be less painful and 
require less intervention on the part of doctors. The average time that 
most first-time mums spend in labour is around 18 hours, and while this 
can be speeded up with prostaglandin gels or synthetic hormones, these 
drugs can make labour unbearably painful and may make women feel the 
urge to push before the cervix is fully opened. This in itself can lead 
to complications. 
The new drug, developed and patented by Britain's Medical Research 
Council, may cut the average labour down to only two or three hours. 
Most of the long, painful hours of labour are spent as the cervix slowly 
opens from tightly closed to 10 centimetres. 
Many women feel they have been in labour forever and rush into the 
hospital expecting to deliver instantly only to be told they are just 
two or three centimetres dilated! For most women (although there are 
those who have quick births), dilation of the cervix is a slow process. 
The new drug, however, is designed to speed up this process by softening 
the collagen in the cervix. It is likely to be administered either 
through gel, cream, microcapsules or injection, although as yet it is 
not known what form it will take. So far it has only been tested on 
monkeys. In these cases, the Scottish firm Ardana Bioscience, which has 
the licence for the new drug, reports it worked very effectively.
By Marianne 
HartiganMaternity 
Coalition NSWwww.maternitycoalition.org.auTo unsubscribe 
from this group, send an email 
to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Your 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: [MCNSW] more interventions for labour!

2002-11-16 Thread Robin Moon



it's about 3 hours I notice. They dont like it shorter than 3 hours. 
somehow they feel robbed of the experience, like it was over before they had a 
chance to really get into it.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Lynne 
  Staff 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 9:44 
  AM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Fw: [MCNSW] 
  more interventions for labour!
  
  I have seen many women who have 
  experienced short labours (including protin labours) who are completely 
  overwhelmed both physically and emotionally from the expereince, and I am not 
  talking about the overwhelming experience of birth eitherthey shake and 
  are in a stse of shock. It is often difficult for them to integrate what has 
  happened and later, many of them ask for a longer labour and gentler birth 
  next time. It's like their minds and bodies can't catch up with the 
  other.
  
[Lynne 
Staff]-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of 
RhondaSent: Saturday, 16 November 2002 4:40 PMTo: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: 
[MCNSW] more interventions for labour!

  

  
  "speeded up with prostaglandin gels or synthetic 
  hormones" Hmm- OR synthetic - which supports the pig semen 
  theory. (sorry!)
  
  And my concern in what about moulding? Doesn't a lot of 
  moulding happen as far as the mothers body, hips and pelvis etc.
  
  I know a girl who had a really short labour but then went into 
  shock.
  
  Rhonda
  
  
  
  ---Original 
  Message---
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: Saturday, 
  November 16, 2002 13:27:41
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: 
  [ozmidwifery] Fw: [MCNSW] more interventions for labour!
  
  
  - Original Message - 
  From: Virginia 
  Miltrup 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 8:08 AM
  Subject: [MCNSW] more interventions for 
labour!
  
  a proposed drug to reduce the time of 
  first labour to 2-3 hours by softening the collagen in the cervix! The 
  scientists reckon it doesn't hurt more, (but then again they might 
  have been blokes :-)). Website listed below.
  Love Kate
  PS What about all those women who 
  were already going to have quick births??
  
  http://www.ivenus.com/family/news/LC-notebook1-wk40.asp 

  less labour? 
  If only childbirth weren't such 
  hard work. it may soon get easier, thanks to a new drug.
  The move is on to shorten childbirth via a new drug that is due to 
  be tested later this year, according to a report in the New 
  Scientist.
  The theory is that a shorter labour should be less painful and 
  require less intervention on the part of doctors. The average time 
  that most first-time mums spend in labour is around 18 hours, and 
  while this can be speeded up with prostaglandin gels or synthetic 
  hormones, these drugs can make labour unbearably painful and may make 
  women feel the urge to push before the cervix is fully opened. This in 
  itself can lead to complications. 
  The new drug, developed and patented by Britain's Medical Research 
  Council, may cut the average labour down to only two or three hours. 
  Most of the long, painful hours of labour are spent as the cervix 
  slowly opens from tightly closed to 10 centimetres. 
  Many women feel they have been in labour forever and rush into the 
  hospital expecting to deliver instantly only to be told they are just 
  two or three centimetres dilated! For most women (although there are 
  those who have quick births), dilation of the cervix is a slow 
  process. The new drug, however, is designed to speed up this process 
  by softening the collagen in the cervix. It is likely to be 
  administered either through gel, cream, microcapsules or injection, 
  although as yet it is not known what form it will take. So far it has 
  only been tested on monkeys. In these cases, the Scottish firm Ardana 
  Bioscience, which has the licence for the new drug, reports it worked 
  very effectively.
  By Marianne 
  HartiganMaternity 
  Coalition NSWwww.maternitycoalition.org.auTo unsubscribe 
  from this group, send an email 
  to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Your 
  use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of 
  Service. 
  
  

  


  

RE: [ozmidwifery] Fw: [MCNSW] more interventions for labour!

2002-11-16 Thread Sarah Slater
This is very scary! I had a 2 1/2 hour birth with my second child and went into shock 
and to make matters worse the nurse literally yanked on the cord after the baby had 
been out only 15 minutes and broke the cord leaving the placenta inside! (but that's 
another issue!)

Bring on NMAP!

with love
Sarah Slater

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I have seen many women who have experienced 
short labours (including protin labours) who are completely overwhelmed both 
physically and emotionally from the expereince, and I am not talking about the 
overwhelming experience of birth eitherthey shake and are in a stse of 
shock. It is often difficult for them to integrate what has happened and later, 
many of them ask for a longer labour and gentler birth next time. It's 
like their minds and bodies can't catch up with the other.

  [Lynne 
  Staff]-Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of 
  RhondaSent: Saturday, 16 November 2002 4:40 PMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: 
  [MCNSW] more interventions for labour!
  


  

"speeded up with prostaglandin gels or synthetic 
hormones" Hmm- OR synthetic - which supports the pig semen 
theory. (sorry!)

And my concern in what about moulding? Doesn't a lot of 
moulding happen as far as the mothers body, hips and pelvis etc.

I know a girl who had a really short labour but then went into 
shock.

Rhonda



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[ozmidwifery] Fw: [MCNSW] more interventions for labour!


- Original Message - 
From: Virginia Miltrup 

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 8:08 AM
Subject: [MCNSW] more interventions for labour!

a proposed drug to reduce the time of first 
labour to 2-3 hours by softening the collagen in the cervix! The 
scientists reckon it doesn't hurt more, (but then again they might have 
been blokes :-)). Website listed below.
Love Kate
PS What about all those women who were 
already going to have quick births??

http://www.ivenus.com/family/news/LC-notebook1-wk40.asp 

less labour? 
If only childbirth weren't such 
hard work. it may soon get easier, thanks to a new drug.
The move is on to shorten childbirth via a new drug that is due to be 
tested later this year, according to a report in the New Scientist.
The theory is that a shorter labour should be less painful and 
require less intervention on the part of doctors. The average time that 
most first-time mums spend in labour is around 18 hours, and while this 
can be speeded up with prostaglandin gels or synthetic hormones, these 
drugs can make labour unbearably painful and may make women feel the 
urge to push before the cervix is fully opened. This in itself can lead 
to complications. 
The new drug, developed and patented by Britain's Medical Research 
Council, may cut the average labour down to only two or three hours. 
Most of the long, painful hours of labour are spent as the cervix slowly 
opens from tightly closed to 10 centimetres. 
Many women feel they have been in labour forever and rush into the 
hospital expecting to deliver instantly only to be told they are just 
two or three centimetres dilated! For most women (although there are 
those who have quick births), dilation of the cervix is a slow process. 
The new drug, however, is designed to speed up this process by softening 
the collagen in the cervix. It is likely to be administered either 
through gel, cream, microcapsules or injection, although as yet it is 
not known what form it will take. So far it has only been tested on 
monkeys. In these cases, the Scottish firm Ardana Bioscience, which has 
the licence for the new drug, reports it worked very effectively.
By Marianne 
HartiganMaternity 
Coalition NSWwww.maternitycoalition.org.auTo unsubscribe 
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[ozmidwifery] primary lymphedema

2002-11-16 Thread Tim and Katrina
Hi all, I have an inquiry on behalf of a friend who has primary lymphedema
and would like to have children. She was born with too few lymph nodes and
has (at times) considerable swelling in her legs.
She is 30 years old and wants to know if becoming pregnant is likely to
exacerbate her symptoms and put her completely out of action during that
time.

Have any of you wise women cared for women who have this condition and if
so, what were their experiences of pregnancy?
TIA

Katrina Matthews-Flora
Mother to Ethan (4) and Claire (2), aspiring midwife.

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Re: [ozmidwifery] see you

2002-11-16 Thread jireland



Dear Betty Sarah will be home till md monday please 
ring her as Vanessa would like to start her follow thru cheers jan 93804616 
sARAH hOWLELL


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Aviva 
  Sheb'a 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:21 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] see you
  
  I hope it all goes well, Liz! Look after 
  yourself and fly with it.
  love,
  aviva
  - Original Message - 
  From: ec newnham 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 6:00 PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] see you
  
  Dear all, much as I love 
  this list, I am going off for a few months while I get all my assignments 
  finished for this year. Thanks for doing what you all do. It is a wonderful 
  forum.
  Tania, thanks for 
  responding to my thoughts about GMP. I have your email, so I'll keep in 
  touch.
  See you all when I'm a 
  midwife! 
  Love, 
Liz.


[ozmidwifery] WRONG ADRESS

2002-11-16 Thread jireland



URGENT PLEASE DISREGARD PREVIOUS E-MAIL SENT TO 
WRONG ADDRESS JAN 
PLEASE DELETE CONTAINS PRIVATE 
INFORMATION
APOLIGIES 


Re: [ozmidwifery] Julia's birth

2002-11-16 Thread Aviva Sheb'a



WHEN? WHEN? WHEN?
aviva
- Original Message - 
From: Lynne 
Staff 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 3:12 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Julia's birth

Come 
to QLD!


Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Social use of Ultrasound inPregnancy

2002-11-16 Thread Aviva Sheb'a



thanks, Jan, I didn't know the term 
haptonomic...exactly what does it mean? Never occurred to me women wouldn't do 
that...surely they do? ...don't they...er...
aviva
*Whatever happened to the old 
haptonomic approach to getting to know thebaby?Don't mothers stroke, 
caress, talk, and play with their babies in uteroanymore? Usually this is 
spontaneous behaviour but some mothers need to betaught the value of a daily 
quiet time with baby, especially those motherswho come home tired from 
working each evening.The haptonomic approach is surely much more fun 
(and dad can join in too)than watching the poor little mite turn it's ears 
away from the intrudingultrasound wave ... When you see the baby waving it's 
arms around it'strying to block it's ears!Why have we become a 
society that is willing to subject it's unborn todistressing tests without a 
clinical indicator?Jan


Re: [ozmidwifery] Ultrasounds

2002-11-16 Thread Aviva Sheb'a



that is so, so, so sad. leaves even me 
speechless.
aviva
- Original Message - 
From: Judy Chapman 

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 4:52 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Ultrasounds






Reminds me of the woman who had a baby with exomphalos and other 
abnormalities not compatable with extrauterine life. Missed on 3 USS in Brunei 
and Manila. Baby ventilated until parents could have proper explanations of the 
prognosis and then the ventilatorturned off and baby died in their arms. 

Judy



Re: [ozmidwifery] NMAP

2002-11-16 Thread Aviva Sheb'a



YEHA
- Original Message - 
From: Sandra J. Eales 

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Cc: Barbara Cook ; Bruce 
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 9:14 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] NMAP

Thought I would let you all know aboutanother 
little step taken today.
Regional ALP Conference held in Cairns today 
unanimouslycarried the motion -
"That the conference endorse the National Maternity 
Action Plan and recommmend it to the State and Federal Health policy committees 
for consideration and implementation" 

Sandra


Re: [ozmidwifery] primary lymphedema

2002-11-16 Thread Aviva Sheb'a



I don't have expert advice, but I do know that the 
Bowen Therapeutic Technique clears lymph brilliantly and assists with oedema and 
all sorts of things. look up bowtech on net.
aviva
- Original Message - 
From: Tim and 
Katrina 
To: ozmid 
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 11:33 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] primary lymphedema
Hi all, I have an inquiry on behalf of a friend who has primary 
lymphedemaand would like to have children. She was born with too few lymph 
nodes andhas (at times) considerable swelling in her legs.She is 30 
years old and wants to know if becoming pregnant is likely toexacerbate her 
symptoms and put her completely out of action during thattime.Have 
any of you wise women cared for women who have this condition and ifso, what 
were their experiences of pregnancy?TIAKatrina 
Matthews-FloraMother to Ethan (4) and Claire (2), aspiring 
midwife.


[ozmidwifery] Pinky in The Age's Parenting Essentials

2002-11-16 Thread Jennifer Semple
Pinky, congrats on the mention of you  your 101 Ways... book in the 
Parenting Essentials feature that was in the Age on 15/11.  It was in a 
collumn called A Feast for Readers w/ 5 other pareting books.

Hope you're well.  Love, Jen 

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Calling for book reviewers

2002-11-16 Thread Maternity Ward Mareeba Hospital
Hi Andrea,
I didn't hear back from you after the last review that I sent in and was wondering if 
you still had me on your list or if you were unhappy with the review.
You can email me back at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Thanks
Megan Davidson


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15/11/2002 1:50:08 pm 
Hi listers,

We are once again looking for volunteers to add to our team of book 
reviewers. Each year we receive a number of new tiles that we add to our 
list on the web site and in our catalogue and as a service to our 
customers, we like to be able to point buyers to a review of the book to 
give them an idea of its style and content.

We need approximately another 10 people at this time (we still have some 
reviewers on our panel from almost 2 years ago) and are looking for those with varied 
backgrounds: midwives, consumers, educators, lactation 
consultants etc.

Before you rush in to reply, please don't offer unless you can promise to send a 
review within 2 months of receiving a book. You will be able to keep 
the book in return for your review, but this is not just an easy way to get a free 
book - we are asking you to do some work for us first!

As we have a range of titles available, we will try to match the book with your area 
of interest. An outline of how to prepare the review will be 
included. We are hoping to have all reviews completed and on our web site by the end 
of January.

If you are interested, please email me the following details:

Name
Postal address
Phone number
Area of interest/expertise

Thank you for your interest,

Andrea Robertson

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Andrea Robertson
Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education

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Re: [ozmidwifery] What Doctors learn at med school

2002-11-16 Thread Mrs joanne m fisher



Lois,
Your website is gorgeous.
Joanne.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Lois 
  Wattis 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:35 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] What Doctors learn 
  at med school
  
  
  Robyn, your response is so articulate and 
  accurate. I think it should be adapted to a "letters to the editor" type 
  form and submitted to mainstream and professional printed media for 
  publication. I agree entirely with your views - WELL SAID. 
  You havedescribed the situation just as I see it. 
  Yoursuggestion of enlargingour profile to incorporate an 
  Australasian (ieAustralian/New Zealand) approach could also strengthen 
  our collective push for birth reform. Best wishes, Lois
  
  Lois WattisRegistered Midwifewww.birthjourney.com