Re: [ozmidwifery] no subject
I have noticed that mums are even afraid to put their babies on their tummies to tie up their nightie. I assure them it is ok and even beneficial for babies to spend time on their tummies, just that you need to be observing them. Of course I slept all of my girls on their tummies, but I was picky about having clear breathing space, I also used a NZ lambskin for all 3, but pulled a sheet tight across the area under their face. So, I am not surprised that babies may not spending enough time on their tummies to use their neck muscles, though I think it is a good idea that they sleep on their babcks, and am increasingly surprised at how easy it is to do this. marilyn - Original Message - From: Lieve Huybrechts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:33 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] no subject Dear friends, I don't know if this topic has been discussed in the group already, but it interests me. The sleeping rules for babys (not on their tummy anymore) causes a lot of problems with back and neck muscles of children 3-4 months of age and later, because the parents are made so anxious that they even in daytime don't put their baby on the tummy anymore. On the website of midwifery today is a study (in Englisch :-)) Baby's Bedding: Is It Creating Toxic Nerve Gasses? by Joanne B. Quinn, RMA, PhD (http://www.midwiferytoday.com/articles/bedding.asp It's an New zealand and UK study. In our country it is unknown. Do you all know more or have some toughts about it? Greetings Lieve -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] breech presentation - need help!
Denise wrote "True Midwifery (with woman) experience teaches us that so much is possible and ok, that we can learn from even the apparently negative". Jo Murphy-Lawless calls it "the multiple possibilities of womens bodies". - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 12:38 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breech presentation - need help! Dear tania, This is my gut reaction and maybe inappropriate or taken poorly but here goes!Top of my list is deal with the fear that the baby will stay breech and this is not good, The baby can turn or be turned at different times until labour is well established - only God if and when (and maybe the baby) knows ?? But come back to seeing the positives. As I read the history of birthing- the fear of breech and VBAC is part of medicalised childbirth, correct me if I am wrong. True Midwifery (with woman) experience teaches us that so much is possible and ok, that we can learn from even the apparently negative. Be gentle with yourself, the woman baby and all involved. Denise - Original Message - From: Tom, Tania and Sam Smallwood To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 6:35 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] breech presentation - need help! Hi all, I'm writing for ideas for a friend, has had a previous LSCS for failure to progress after an induction, now 39 weeks and has just found out baby is breech. Desperately wants to try for a VBAC, now thinking it's all out the window. What I need from you wise women, is a shortlist of what I should suggest to her, as she doesn't have much time, and going in for accupuncture treatments, or trying hands and knees might just not work in time. Is it reasonable to suggest she try an ECV at this late stage ( I know there are increased risks associated with a previous LSCS, but she may decide that those risks are fewer than those of a repeat section). I want to suggest to her the things which have the best chance of working, while being honest about the risks, and failure rate, so she can make up her own mind. Thanks Tania
Re: [ozmidwifery] re: breech presentation help
I know - when I was a student midwife, I worked with an older ob who used to say "Sis, Hands off the breech until the mother has brought the baby down to its armpits - then, if assistance is required, do so." I was fortunate to "grow up" with this way of knowing breech birth - it is fast becoming extinct. The fact of matter is that breech birth is most probably more dangerous now than it has ever been, because the "Professionals" have never had the experience of breech birth apart from caesarean or (ugh) Breech Extraction (a forcible birth, and not a pretty sight, often with fetal and maternal injury). As for physiological breechwell! - Original Message - From: Tom, Tania and Sam Smallwood To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] re: breech presentation help "Wouldn't it be nice if she could just be supported to give birth with the baby breech? I read with sadness the responses all suggesting ECV, and thought this is a sure sign of the times. Big sigh." Lynn, My thoughts exactly, but the reality is that she will not be supported in birthing a breech baby, and may not be supported by her Ob if she decides to have an ECV, which will have to be in the public system, with another Ob. What a fragmented and crazy system it is, when a woman fears retribution from her maternity care provider for seeking the help of a specialist who may give her the chance to have the birth she has worked so hard to mentally and physically prepare for. Even bigger Sigh... Tania
Re: [ozmidwifery] walk against war
Hi all, Here is a game to see how the war with iraq will end. Love from Anke. http://idleworm.com/nws/2002/11/iraq2.shtml -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] aspartame
Hi All, Maybe you already know the dangers of diet drinks with aspartame, but if not, here is a webpage with some side-effects. Love Anke. http://www.aspartame.ca/index.html -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Women Against War
I tried to send this on and found that the return address does not work. I guess my hunch that most of these things don't work was confirmed! Rhonda. ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, February 13, 2003 23:08:11 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] Women Against War This did not make it onto the news did it!! Funny how we are not told about 25 congresswomen walking out etc... How much else are they NOT telling us?? PETITION:Subject: Women Against WarToday 25 Congresswomen in the US House of Representatives walkedout--and refused to participate in the vote to give Bush war powers ---they were led by Barbara Bell of California and they took up residenceon the White House lawn...They say women can change the world. Here is a chance! A nation-wideeffort to unite women against war has drafted a statement here and askyou, if you are so moved, to send it out to as many women and women'sgroups as you can for endorsement. You can also sign as an individual.If you feel so moved, please sign below, giving your or yourorganisation's name and location. Then please cut and paste thismessageinto a new message and forward on to as many people as you know. Ifyouare the 50th, 100th, 150th, 200th, etc., person, please also e-mail acopy back to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. This is our chance to stop thiswar. Women are a strong constituency in this country.We only have a few days.Please act immediately.Women United Against War.As women embracing life and peace, we declare ourselves opposed to anymilitary action against Iraq. As women, we have been the victims ofmanykinds of violence. We call on you, our Congress members, to oppose anymilitary action. We make this demand for ourselves, our children, ourparents, our brothers, husbands, partners and friends. We make thisdemand because we understand that warfare creates endless cycles ofviolence, destruction and death, impoverishing us spiritually andeconomically. We make this demand because warfare destroys familylife,throwing whole communities into exile and turning children intoorphans.We make this demand because we cannot build happy lives on a groundpolluted by violence. We believe this is a defining moment in the lifeof our country.We will either take our place in the family of nationsasseekers of peace and justice or we will start down a terrible road towar, unleashing the fury of generations to come on our land. Wecall upon you to act with integrity, to show courage and remember thatyou are guardians of the public trust and of the world we leave to ourchildren. We oppose this war. We oppose all elected officials whosupport this war. There is no other issue greater than the cause ofpeace. No past stand or history can be called upon to overshadow theimperative to stand today for peace.We, as women acting to shape public life, dedicate our energy,resources, and hopes to those who establish peace. There will be nowar in our names. If you want our support and votes, stop this war!Signed:1. Unreasonable Women for the Earth, Nation-wide2. Pramila Jayapal, Seattle, WA3. Ginny NiCarthy, Seattle, WA4. Karen Bosley, Seattle, WA5. Janice Pickard, Coupeville, WA6. Margot E "Peg" Tennant, Coupeville WA7. Patty Carlisle, Seattle, WA8. Karen Jensen, Seattle, WA9. Frances Partridge, Seattle, WA10. Elizabeth Sanders, Seattle, WA11. Marjorie Huebner, MN12. Karolyn Redoutey, MN13. Jennifer Moore, MN14. Jacqueline Sterling, Minneapolis, MN15. Rorie Hanrahan, Santa Fe, NM16. Maggie Copeland, Glendive, MT17. Joan Gough, Moab, UT18. Eleanor Inskip, Salt Lake City, UT19. Meherban Kaur Khalsa, Salt Lake City, Ut20. Shakta Khalsa, Herndon, VA21. Anne V. Hilliard, Jacksonville, FL22. Ann McGill, Reston, VA23. Mary Elizabeth Th! under, West Point, Texas Big Indian, NY24. Joy Walker, Palm Bay, Fl. 3290925. Christina Van Deusen, Waltham MA 0245326. Susan Cohen Thompson, Natick, MA 0176027. Linda Timann Dewing, Providence, RI 0290628. Mikala Moore, Durango, CO 8130129.
[ozmidwifery] strep B
can anyone tell me the latest on strep B, when is it tested for and how do others deal with treatment at home? kind regards trudie http://www.homebirthservices.com.au Trudie de Keijzer phone 02 47574744 mobile 0438 572337
[ozmidwifery] Birth outcomes
I've been reading the NSW Mothers and Babies Report (2001) with great interest over the past couple of weeks. The figures tell a shocking story - of failed opportunity in midwifery led units to gross overservicing in the private sector. I've explored some of the outcomes in My Diary entries over the past week I hope that the new Royal Prince Alfred Hospital Womens and Babies Unit can improve its figures - - they are not as bad as some, but fall a long way short of good. After my experience of their approach to public relations, support during labour, attitudes to normal birth and silly water birth policies I wrote to several people suggesting that a meeting to discuss improvements might be in order. Sadly, they don't seem to think that it is important to follow up on letters, let alone discuss the issues that I raised - I have had no response of any kind. They did phone the mother concerned, catching her at a time of stress when she was still in that early days haze. She corroborated my comments in the letter (which she hadn't seen) but all they seemed concerned about was obtaining an assurance that she would use the hospital again for her next birth. I think she will probably go elsewhere (she's even thinking now about home birth). Such a contrastt to the staff at St George Hospital where I presented an Active Birth workshop for their staff and students last week. Everyone, from Jo Wills (the Patient Services Coordinator) down, was positive, enthusiastic and committed to woman centred care. Their outcomes could be better as well, but there is a strong feeling of positive action being taken and a united philosophical approach driving their plans and care patterns. Andrea - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] RPA replies!
I have now had a response from RPA regarding their waterbirth facilities and my letter of complaint. They have ignored the request for a meeting with me, but assure me that 36 of the 40 midwives have now been accredited which includes lectures and completion of a workbook, on all indications for use of water in labour, the infection control policy, the manual handling policy and issues pertaining to same, and the occupational health and safety requirements. This is good and is a useful first step. The other issues I raised of staff skills and attitudes around woman-centred care, inflexibility in the application of rigid admission procedures and poor public relations with support people have not been addressed at all. They still have a long way to go. but at least their staff will be able to look after their own needs if they offer a woman the use of the bath during labour. (Sigh) When will hospitals realise that listening to women shoud be the first step in the process of supporting normal birth, not a bothersome annoyance they have to deal with (but only when pressed)? I offered some insights into the way their service is perceived by outsiders, but this letter does nothing to assure me that they have taken any action on my obervations. They'll be putting this matter to one side now, having felt they have dealt with me. Sadly that is not necessarily the case. Public relations involves more than just trying to shoot the messenger and vague references Your comments have been noted and discussed at both ward and departmental level. It is not too late to do something about this - and I will hopefully have a chance to see how things are going in the coming months when I will probably be once again be supporting women who have chosen to go to RPA. Andrea - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] RE pregnant barbie
Of course it is Barbies fault, I always thought that she was the spawn of satan Judy -Original Message- From: Ann green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 14 February 2003 1:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] RE pregnant barbie Dear List, I had heard that pregnant Barbie was banned as she encouraged the use of c/sections.So it is not the obst/ians IT IS BARBIES fault!I saw one pregnant doll that after the baby was removed the doll returned to a nice flat stomach.In my dreams-how I wish I had one of those i.e. flat stomach.Ann --- Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Alesia I forgot - have you seen the Brazilian Mama doll from Birth International? SHE actually gEverything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] strep B
Dear Trudie There is a website in the UK on Group B strep - it has leaflets as.pdf files that you are able to download - Check it out at http://www.gbss.org.uk/. I providewomen with one of the leaflets off this site and talk about the variations in policies at different hospitals. Some women will choose to have a swab in pregnancy (generally late pregnancy) - if positive I suggest a naturopathic/homeopathic consultation. I discuss IV antibiotics in labour at home and their feelings around the same. On a couple of occasions women have had IV antibiotics at home - heavy growth of GBS remained after they had taken natural remedies. If a woman has SROM and no labour - a recommendation is made to have a low vaginal swab as soon as practical (given it takes 48 hours for the final result) - so her GBS status is known. Hope this helps Jane Pregnancy, Birth and Beyond Caring, Professional Midwifery Services Sydney Visit http://www.pregnancy.com.au -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Trudie de keijzerSent: Friday, 14 February 2003 7:05 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] strep Bcan anyone tell me the latest on strep B, when is it tested for and how do others deal with treatment at home?kind regards trudiehttp://www.homebirthservices.com.auTrudie de Keijzerphone 02 47574744mobile 0438 572337
RE: [ozmidwifery] RE pregnant barbie
Dear Judy, i did not pay much heed to those who said Barbie was not a good toy to have until my daughter at age 6 said she did not eat much because I want to look like Barbie.I have found that the local school's breakfast program has encouraged her to at least have a better breakfast than before.Until our holiday in Tassie she only weighed 15kgs.While there she put on 4 kgs in 6 weeks!She is not small in height which is 115cm just looks thin.Ann--- Judy Giesaitis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course it is Barbies fault, I always thought that she was the spawn of satan Judy -Original Message- From: Ann green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 14 February 2003 1:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] RE pregnant barbie Dear List, I had heard that pregnant Barbie was banned as she encouraged the use of c/sections.So it is not the obst/ians IT IS BARBIES fault!I saw one pregnant doll that after the baby was removed the doll returned to a nice flat stomach.In my dreams-how I wish I had one of those i.e. flat stomach.Ann --- Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Alesia I forgot - have you seen the Brazilian Mama doll from Birth International? SHE actually gEverything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] re: breech presentation help
Well my friend has had one treatment of moxibustion, and last night I saw her, and her very mobile and active baby. Her baby is currently lying in a transverse position, happy as anything, and has been head down for the most part of her pregnancy, partially engaged only a few weeks ago, so hopefully is on his/her way to getting down there again. She's going to continue with the moxi trieatment, going again early next week, seeing a chiro today who is well versed in the Webster technique, and will continue with doing lots of position and posture work herself. I printed out your replies for her, and she was overwhelmed with the kindness and amount of knowledge you were all ready to share for a stranger. Thanks one and all, Tania PS Is there anything I've missed (always second guessing myself!)
Re: [ozmidwifery] RE pregnant barbie
??? where has the pregnant Barbie been banned for encouraging Csections - I havent heard this one -In the US she was removed fromshelves at Walmart due to customer complaints that she was TOO explicit!! and would encourage TEEN pregnancies!! Actually not sure how the children could work out HOW she got pregnant -she and hubby are reproductively challenged! That darn Barbie is a bad influence!!! Pinky - Original Message - From: Judy Giesaitis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 1:38 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] RE pregnant barbie Of course it is Barbies fault, I always thought that she was the spawn of satan Judy -Original Message- From: Ann green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 14 February 2003 1:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] RE pregnant barbie Dear List, I had heard that pregnant Barbie was banned as she encouraged the use of c/sections.So it is not the obst/ians IT IS BARBIES fault!I saw one pregnant doll that after the baby was removed the doll returned to a nice flat stomach.In my dreams-how I wish I had one of those i.e. flat stomach.Ann --- Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Alesia I forgot - have you seen the Brazilian Mama doll from Birth International? SHE actually gEverything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] RE pregnant barbie
Hi Ann, actually there is pressure to be thin at every level - I think even little boys feel it these days. But thats very scary. Pinky - Original Message - From: Ann green [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 1:55 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] RE pregnant barbie Dear Judy, i did not pay much heed to those who said Barbie was not a good toy to have until my daughter at age 6 said she did not eat much because I want to look like Barbie.I have found that the local school's breakfast program has encouraged her to at least have a better breakfast than before.Until our holiday in Tassie she only weighed 15kgs.While there she put on 4 kgs in 6 weeks!She is not small in height which is 115cm just looks thin.Ann--- Judy Giesaitis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course it is Barbies fault, I always thought that she was the spawn of satan Judy -Original Message- From: Ann green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 14 February 2003 1:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] RE pregnant barbie Dear List, I had heard that pregnant Barbie was banned as she encouraged the use of c/sections.So it is not the obst/ians IT IS BARBIES fault!I saw one pregnant doll that after the baby was removed the doll returned to a nice flat stomach.In my dreams-how I wish I had one of those i.e. flat stomach.Ann --- Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Alesia I forgot - have you seen the Brazilian Mama doll from Birth International? SHE actually gEverything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] NSW Election Rallies
Title: NSW Election Rallies Hello Everyone There is a huge groundswell of support in NSW to secure one to one midwifery care in the public system. So far we have 2 events lined up in NSW Family Rally: SATURDAY March 1st , Jesmond Park, NEWCASTLE from 10.30am All incumbent members and candidates have been invited to address the rally March: Friday 7th March (SYDNEY CITY) From Martin Place (George St End to Parliament House, address by Greens MLC, Lee Rhiannon and possibly others). If anyone wants more info please contact me off list In solidarity Justine Justine Caines NSW President Maternity Coalition PO Box 105 MERRIWA NSW 2329 Ph: (02) 65482248 Mob: 0408 210273 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ozmidwifery] NSW Election Rallies
Title: NSW Election Rallies Hello Everyone There is a huge groundswell of support in NSW to secure one to one midwifery care in the public system. So far we have 2 events lined up in NSW Family Rally: SATURDAY March 1st , Jesmond Park, NEWCASTLE from 10.30am All incumbent members and candidates have been invited to address the rally March: Friday 7th March 12 noon (SYDNEY CITY) From Martin Place (George St End to Parliament House, address by Greens MLC, Lee Rhiannon and possibly others). If anyone wants more info please contact me off list In solidarity Justine Justine Caines NSW President Maternity Coalition PO Box 105 MERRIWA NSW 2329 Ph: (02) 65482248 Mob: 0408 210273 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ozmidwifery] no subject
surely not putting baby on front is crappy for development? aviva - Original Message - From: Lieve Huybrechts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 6:03 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] no subject Dear friends,I don't know if this topic has been discussed in the group already, but itinterests me. The sleeping rules for babys (not on their tummy anymore)causes a lot of problems with back and neck muscles of children 3-4 monthsof age and later, because the parents are made so anxious that they even indaytime don't put their baby on the tummy anymore.On the website of midwifery today is a study (in Englisch :-))Baby's Bedding: Is It Creating Toxic Nerve Gasses? by Joanne B. Quinn, RMA,PhD (http://www.midwiferytoday.com/articles/bedding.aspIt's an New zealand and UK study. In our country it is unknown. Do you allknow more or have some toughts about it?GreetingsLieve--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] re: breech presentation help
Tania, it is my understanding that the moxa should be done daily, at home with the moxa sticks until the baby turns, it is definetly not a once/week thing. marilyn - Original Message - From: Tom, Tania and Sam Smallwood To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] re: breech presentation help Well my friend has had one treatment of moxibustion, and last night I saw her, and her very mobile and active baby. Her baby is currently lying in a transverse position, happy as anything, and has been head down for the most part of her pregnancy, partially engaged only a few weeks ago, so hopefully is on his/her way to getting down there again. She's going to continue with the moxi trieatment, going again early next week, seeing a chiro today who is well versed in the Webster technique, and will continue with doing lots of position and posture work herself. I printed out your replies for her, and she was overwhelmed with the kindness and amount of knowledge you were all ready to share for a stranger. Thanks one and all, Tania PS Is there anything I've missed (always second guessing myself!)
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleeping positions
cat among pigeons here -- suppose baby threw up while lying on back and choked? aviva, ducking - Original Message - From: janet To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 8:53 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleeping positions I agree that many women are afraid about placing their babies on theirtummies - I think there is so much literature around about the SIDSrecommended position to put babies to sleep on their back that they haveto be reminded to allow "tummy time" during wake times. Also I heardthat some children are ultimately suffering from misshapen heads, onewoman was telling me that her son had to have a special helmet made tocorrect the shape of his head. Consequently when she had her secondchild she ignored the SIDS recommendations and placed her baby from sideto side to sleep. Janet -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of MarilynKleidonSent: Friday, 14 February 2003 1:45 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] no subjectI have noticed that mums are even afraid to put their babies on theirtummies to tie up their nightie. I assure them it is ok and evenbeneficialfor babies to spend time on their tummies, just that you need to beobserving them. Of course I slept all of my girls on their tummies, butIwas picky about having clear breathing space, I also used a NZ lambskinforall 3, but pulled a sheet tight across the area under their face. So, Iamnot surprised that babies may not spending enough time on their tummiestouse their neck muscles, though I think it is a good idea that they sleepontheir babcks, and am increasingly surprised at how easy it is to dothis.marilyn- Original Message -From: "Lieve Huybrechts" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:33 PMSubject: [ozmidwifery] no subject Dear friends, I don't know if this topic has been discussed in the group already,but it interests me. The sleeping rules for babys (not on their tummyanymore) causes a lot of problems with back and neck muscles of children 3-4months of age and later, because the parents are made so anxious that theyevenin daytime don't put their baby on the tummy anymore. On the website of midwifery today is a study (in Englisch :-)) Baby's Bedding: Is It Creating Toxic Nerve Gasses? by Joanne B. Quinn,RMA, PhD (http://www.midwiferytoday.com/articles/bedding.asp It's an New zealand and UK study. In our country it is unknown. Doyouall know more or have some toughts about it? Greetings Lieve -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] aspartame
received this a few weeks ago. sent it to my brother who's diabetic. he sent it on to a friend of his, an eminent scientist who reckons it's bunkum. I don't go near artificial sweeteners with a barge pole anyway, but then, I'm not diabetic (whew!) aviva - Original Message - From: Anke Dalman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 9:42 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] aspartame Hi All,Maybe you already know the dangers of diet drinks with aspartame, but if not, here is a webpage with some side-effects.Love Anke.http://www.aspartame.ca/index.html--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] coth death study
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] coth death study Thanks all for the reply, but I didnt make my question clear. I read the following study and I was wondering if you had heard about it. On the website of midwifery today is a study Baby's Bedding: Is It Creating Toxic Nerve Gasses? by Joanne B. Quinn, RMA, PhD (http://www.midwiferytoday.com/articles/bedding.asp When this is true, babys can sleep in there favorite position all times if the matras is wrapped and we dont have to make parents anxious anymore. Greetings Lieve On 14-02-2003 08:04, Aviva Sheb'a [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: surely not putting baby on front is crappy for development? aviva - Original Message - From: Lieve Huybrechts mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 6:03 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] no subject Dear friends, I don't know if this topic has been discussed in the group already, but it interests me. The sleeping rules for babys (not on their tummy anymore) causes a lot of problems with back and neck muscles of children 3-4 months of age and later, because the parents are made so anxious that they even in daytime don't put their baby on the tummy anymore. On the website of midwifery today is a study (in Englisch :-)) Baby's Bedding: Is It Creating Toxic Nerve Gasses? by Joanne B. Quinn, RMA, PhD (http://www.midwiferytoday.com/articles/bedding.asp It's an New zealand and UK study. In our country it is unknown. Do you all know more or have some toughts about it? Greetings Lieve -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
