Re: [ozmidwifery] Birthstory from Sonia soon.
- Original Message - From: *G and S* [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:06 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birthstory from Sonia soon. Thanks so much to you all for the warm welcome. My birthstory was completed some time ago as I had received requests to have it published in a couple of birth related books. I do have to make some alterations/additions to it though, so I can't send it to you as promptly as I'd like. I will work on it tonight and send it to this list shortly there after. I thank you once again for allowing me to be a part of your group and wish you all well, Sonia. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? long
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? long So sorry, hit the wrong key and sent it off without salutation. So, if you wont transfer for meconium, you simply don't write it as a reason you would do so. Of course you need to be able to defend your position should the situation ever arise. Also these documents must be available to your clients as it gives them an insight as to your comfort zone of practice. I know, from being on this list, that many independent midwives here hold dearly to the concept of discussing this individually with each woman and trusting the woman to make these decisions in concert with yourself of course. I am truly impressed by and honour this, and there must be a way of writing this in a document(s) so that you don't have other peoples guidelines etc.. imposed upon you. Just my opinion marilyn - Original Message - From: Justine Caines To: OzMid List Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? long Hi Julie and allI totally agree. Collaboration is the way forward but medical control of midwifery is not collaboration, collaboration is a 2 way street not something dictated by Obstetrics. Midwives must have an scope of practice in their own right (and this is what the Dutch do). We need to acknowledge that midwives are experts in the normal and that when conditions change they collaborate and refer to other providers. This is what the ACMI national guidelines for referral and transfer are going to be used for.As for independent homebirth practitioners, we legally dont have them (this is the choice women are most unable to access) there is no respect for the professionalism of midwifery outside the system (by Government) as they have not only refused to assist with indemnity but in NSW and VIC have made it illegal for any health practitioner to practice without insurance.Public funded homebirth is a very important choice as it will allow so many more to access it. It will no longer be an elite private service. However there is no evidence for and significant evidence against a homebirth program being managed in the acute setting. Obstetricians are not trained in normal birth. The safety and success of homebirth is in the relationship and trust between midwife and woman (not obstetric protocol).Birth Centre transfer statistics and protocols speak volumes. Once again obstetric control allows a little bit of midwifery and then reins in where it sees fit (often against evidence and not in the best interests of women). With the current obstetric crisis we have the best opportunity to develop stand alone midwifery programs. We do not need to accept a re-hash of what we have now. The UK now has 70 odd freestanding birth centres and some very positive work on providing all women who want homebirth with it and providing women with the real facts on C/S risk. So no we dont need to speak Dutch!! JustineActing National President Maternity CoalitionNational Co-ordinator, Homebirth AustraliaMum of 3 and a halfDear JustineWe all know there are better models of care for example in Holland but to transplant that model here, rapidly would be about as difficult / impossible as trying to change our culture to the extent of making Australians speak the Dutch language.If we have birth centres, midwifery group practice, hospital based homebirth models and independent homebirth practitioners then women have a range of options from which to choose.If we prevent one of these then we are limiting womens choices.In solidarity, we need to be working together, to strengthen ALL options, which empower women and midwives to work together.For credibility, it needs to be evidenced based and collaborative in approach. The Dutch collaborate.Warmest regards,JulieJulie Clarke CBEChildbirth and Parenting EducatorACE Grad-Dip SupervisorNACE Advanced Educator and TrainerTransition into Parenthood9 Withybrook PlSylvania NSW 2224.T. (02) 9544 6441F. (02) 9544 9257Mobile 0401 2655 30email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.transitionintoparenthood.com.au-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Justine CainesSent: Saturday, 11 October 2003 7:39 PMTo: OzMid ListSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? long No Jan not just one to one midwifery, but stand alone midwifery where midwives and women decide what is best and when they need medical assistance. To me Birth Centres continue to set women up while ever they are under medical control. A penny for every time Ive heard I went to the BC and wanted natural but I just couldnt etc etc!NZ with its
[ozmidwifery] Fw: Pregnancy Infant Loss Rememberance Day
Forwarded from my daughter and her partner. Many of you will remember our "twin story". Reuben is now 16 months old, very mobile, very mischievous andvery NORMAL, and how grateful we are for this. Love, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Sally Cocks Russell Wheaton To: "Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@netc.net.au Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 22:07 PM Subject: Pregnancy Infant Loss Rememberance Day Dear Family Friends, Just thought I'dlet you know about the upcoming Pregnancy and Infant Loss Remembrance Day.It is a world wide day in remembrance of babies that have died. The main idea is to light a candle at 7pm on the 15th October (that's this Wednesday evening) to remember our precious babies... By doing thiswe can honourthe families that we know who have a special little person missing from their life (due to miscarriage, neonatal death, still birth etc..) andhence be a part of an amazingcircle of light moving around the world for24 hours. While we light a candle to honour our Matilda at this time, we invite you to do the same or spare a moment to reflect on the little lives that should have been. Thank-you. Love Sally Russell
Re: [ozmidwifery] Backpeddling about the endometriosis quilt email bombardment
Hi all Have just discovered that the emails aren't related to the ozmidwifery list but to one of my husband's ultrasound lists - so I'll get off my soap box here and contact them! Sorry for the wild goose chase. Helen Cahill - Original Message - From: Graham and Helen To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 8:20 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] endometriosis quilt email bombardment I have received 5 emails now from Robert Speyer re the endometriosis quilt and am wondering why?!!! Is everyone else on the list getting bombarded with these emails? - they are addressed to "multiple recipients of list UPDATE". If so, I don't think it is ethical for our names to be given outso freelylike this. Ifthey are,then I for one don't wish to receive multiple emails pushing an issue no matter how legitimate a cause. How does everyone else feel? Helen Cahill
[ozmidwifery] siatic pain
hi all hoping to get advice A friend of mine is 22 weeks pregnant with her first baby. From 17 weeks she has suffered from siatica pain that is progressively getting worse. I would be appreciative for any and all advise that you may be able to dig up. Tah linda
Re: [ozmidwifery] siatic pain
Hi Linda I'd suggest she needs to get assessed by a physio, used to dealing with pregnant women, if it's through tight buttock muscles (piriformis) massage to release these muscles can often really help, otherwise it might come from lumbar spine, position of baby, etc. I've got info on trained pregnancy massage therapists around Sydney area if that helps, but best to get assessed first. Hope she gets some relief! Julia Willoughby - Original Message - From: linda kamchevski To: list Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 8:22 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] siatic pain hi all hoping to get advice A friend of mine is 22 weeks pregnant with her first baby. From 17 weeks she has suffered from siatica pain that is progressively getting worse. I would be appreciative for any and all advise that you may be able to dig up. Tah linda
Re: [ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? long
In a message dated 13/10/03 11:02:18 PM AUS Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree with you Tina wholeheartedly! However I ask How do we muster the collective wisdom of those midwives into action in their individual workplaces and motivate them to unite to change? I see time and time again the excuse of increased workloads and lack of support from management as fixed obstacles preventing such organized action. Late night reflections. Cheers Louise HI Louise...all the more reasons to unite to change I would suggest.However, the trick as to all political action is in the collective numbers of the membersMidwifery here has made many advances over the last few yearsparticularly in its efforts to firmly establish its own sense of self identity and self determinisim, standards and scope of practiceThe ACMI has enjoyed strong leadership that has driven many of these changes, but the College is only as good and as strong as its membership base, which for a National organisation, has the potential to be representative of some 1 registered and/or endorsed midwives (Tracey et al 2000).However, given the apathy that Barb speaks about within the profession and the oppressed nature of midwifery, I think the College can only boast about 3000 members Nationally (about 30% of practising midwives in this country)...now this is a disgrace and even more so given we will be the hosts of the ICM Conference in Brisbaine in 2005! Midwives have a professional responsibility to ensure that their practice is evidenced based and to ensure that their level of practice "mirrors the professional standard"...Perhaps one way we could "muster the collective wisdom of those midwives into action in their individual workplaces and motivate them to unite to change" would be to link their right to practice midwifery (reregistration) to competency as in accordance with the ACMI Competency Standards for Midwives, which clearly endorses the ICM definition of a midwife! My understanding is that Tasmania is currently the only State/Territory in which this applies. As a profession why should we accept any less for all midwives, why should women?? Yours in reforming midwifery Tina Pettigrew. B Mid Student ACU Melb http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BMidStudentCollective/ " As we trust the flowers to open to new life - So we can trust birth" Harriette Hartigan. ---
RE: [ozmidwifery] sciatic pain
Dear Linda The options open to your friend include seeing either a physiotherapist, osteopath or chiropractor. Ideally see a professional that has a special interest in pregnancy. All use different techniques with varying degrees of success. There are special pregnancy exercises that can help elevate backache in pregnancy - your friend would need to be shown how do do these exercises. A physiotherapist or some midwives will be able to show your friend these exercises. Cheers Jane Pregnancy, Birth and Beyond Caring, Professional Midwifery Services Sydney Visit http://www.pregnancy.com.au -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of linda kamchevskiSent: Tuesday, 14 October 2003 8:22 AMTo: listSubject: [ozmidwifery] siatic pain hi all hoping to get advice A friend of mine is 22 weeks pregnant with her first baby. From 17 weeks she has suffered from siatica pain that is progressively getting worse. I would be appreciative for any and all advise that you may be able to dig up. Tah linda
RE: [ozmidwifery] new here/okay?
Hi Joanne, I have a link to them on my webpage but their direct address is: http://www.tabs.org.nz/ If you want to contact Ursula Yee who is running the new support group here in Australia her email is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We did a talk for a bunch of midwifery students on PTSD at Griffith Uni last Friday and some of them were really shocked at the stories we shared. It was a good talk and they seemed to get the picture. Cheers, Cas. www.casmccullough.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mrs Joanne M Fisher Sent: Monday, 13 October 2003 9:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] new here/okay? Dear Cas, Do you have the website address for the NZ group TABS A (Trauma and Birth Stress). Thanks. Cheers, Joanne - Original Message - From: Wayne and Caroline McCullough [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 8:07 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] new here/okay? Sonia, you are very welcome to tell your story... I am not a health professional either but they put up with me : ). Anyway, a fellow birther and friend of mine has started up a national Birth Trauma Support Group which is linked to the NZ group TABS A(Trauma and Birth Stress) so please contact me off list if you would like to chat further about what happened to you. You are not alone. Cheers, Cas. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of *G and S* Sent: Sunday, 12 October 2003 7:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] new here/okay? Greetings. May I introduce myself firstly by telling you up front that I am not a midwife, doula or obstetric professional. I was however a registered nurse, have had five babes and have plenty of questions and thoughts regarding birth. A friend of mine who lectures in midwifery suggested this list as a good place to be. I had a hideous birth experience in January (the chance of it happening again is supposed to be greater then 1 in 1,000,000) and though I do not wish to sue my ob, I still need some answers that he can't / won't give me. But before I launch into my story I thought I should check it out with you guys first to see if you are happy to have me around. I will understand if you think that this is an inappropriate place for me to be. TIA, Sonia. PS. I am an Australian and I was a member of the Ican list. I left it because I really needed local 'talk'. KWIM? -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] evidence based practice
You are all so right, but it is such a fight constantly amongst one's own colleagues. On one of our wards, the 'Buddy System' has been introduced - where 2 midwives are allocated (for example) 10 women between them. They work together, go to breaks opposite each other, check drugs together, make sure each other completes their tasks. This immediatly smacked of task orientated nursing practice, and I could see the pitfalls, especially for women. I produced evidence based research which I handed in to my ward manager, outlining all the reasons why this should not be implimented. (It is a great idea if working with students). It has however been embraced by the majority of midwives on the ward - a huge backstep for midwifery in my opinion. Whatever happened to one-on-one care? Dis-heartened, Sadie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] who is really there for women ? long In a message dated 13/10/03 11:02:18 PM AUS Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree with you Tina wholeheartedly! However I ask How do we muster the collective wisdom of those midwives into action in their individual workplaces and motivate them to unite to change? I see time and time again the excuse of increased workloads and lack of support from management as fixed obstacles preventing such organized action.Late night reflections. Cheers LouiseHI Louise...all the more reasons to unite to change I would suggest.However, the trick as to all political action is in the collective numbers of the membersMidwifery here has made many advances over the last few yearsparticularly in its efforts to firmly establish its own sense of self identity and self determinisim, standards and scope of practiceThe ACMI has enjoyed strong leadership that has driven many of these changes, but the College is only as good and as strong as its membership base, which for a National organisation, has the potential to be representative of some 1 registered and/or endorsed midwives (Tracey et al 2000).However, given the apathy that Barb speaks about within the profession and the oppressed nature of midwifery, I think the College can only boast about 3000 members Nationally (about 30% of practising midwives in this country)...now this is a disgrace and even more so given we will be the hosts of the ICM Conference in Brisbaine in 2005! Midwives have a professional responsibility to ensure that their practice is evidenced based and to ensure that their level of practice "mirrors the professional standard"...Perhaps one way we could "muster the collective wisdom of those midwives into action in their individual workplaces and motivate them to unite to change" would be to link their right to practice midwifery (reregistration) to competency as in accordance with the ACMI Competency Standards for Midwives, which clearly endorses the ICM definition of a midwife! My understanding is that Tasmania is currently the only State/Territory in which this applies. As a profession why should we accept any less for all midwives, why should women??Yours in reforming midwiferyTina Pettigrew.B Mid Student ACU Melbhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/BMidStudentCollective/" As we trust the flowers to open to new life - So we can trust birth"Harriette Hartigan.---
