Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B vaccine reaction
Nicole Carver wrote: Hi All, Have just had a scary experience when a baby became floppy and stopped breathing three timesafter the Hep B vaccine. She is ok, but being observed for 24 hours in special care. It just reinforces my belief that giving all babies Hep B prior to discharge from hospital is unnecessary, and where there are no risk factors present, more dangerous than not giving it. Nicole Carver. Hi Nicole - just make sure you document that in the adverse vaccination reaction section at the bottom of the vaccination card for the baby... Is there something to fill in for pharmacy, too? I am sure there is a lot of paperwork to fill out for that kind of thing. Just to make sure it gets into the stats for the 'safety of Hep B vax'. Scary. Jo (RM)
Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: breech
Thanks for the help!! I will see whether I can locate the book "Breech Wise". Cheers Helen - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 5:34 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] RE: breech Oh.. the other thing that I wanted to say is that at 32 weeks I would not be too worried. Babies are often that way at 32 weeks and then turn. If you were a client of mine I would be saying dont worry until 34-35 weeks. Then do everything!! Sally Westbury Homebirth Midwife "It takes courage to remain a true advocate for women, challenging authority and sacrificing social and professional acceptance. It takes courage for a woman to choose a caregiver who will truly advocate for and empower her." -Judy Slome Cohain
Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B vaccine reaction
Yes Jo, it is important this is reported. It is so easy to get caught up with other things on a busy unit, and it gets forgotten. Thanks, Nicole. - Original Message - From: JoFromOz To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B vaccine reaction Nicole Carver wrote: Hi All, Have just had a scary experience when a baby became floppy and stopped breathing three timesafter the Hep B vaccine. She is ok, but being observed for 24 hours in special care. It just reinforces my belief that giving all babies Hep B prior to discharge from hospital is unnecessary, and where there are no risk factors present, more dangerous than not giving it. Nicole Carver.Hi Nicole - just make sure you document that in the adverse vaccination reaction section at the bottom of the vaccination card for the baby... Is there something to fill in for pharmacy, too? I am sure there is a lot of paperwork to fill out for that kind of thing. Just to make sure it gets into the stats for the 'safety of Hep B vax'.Scary.Jo (RM)
Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: breech
That's"Breech Birth Woman-Wise".Just to get technical! :-) ---Original Message--- From: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Date: 26/02/2005 8:39:57 p.m. To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: breech Thanks for the help!! I will see whether I can locate the book "Breech Wise". Cheers Helen - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 5:34 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] RE: breech Oh.. the other thing that I wanted to say is that at 32 weeks I would not be too worried. Babies are often that way at 32 weeks and then turn. If you were a client of mine I would be saying dont worry until 34-35 weeks. Then do everything!! Sally Westbury Homebirth Midwife "It takes courage to remain a true advocate for women, challenging authority and sacrificing social and professional acceptance. It takes courage for a woman to choose a caregiver who will truly advocate for and empower her." -Judy Slome Cohain
Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B vaccine reaction
Thanks, Nicole. Pinky - Original Message - From: Nicole Carver To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B vaccine reaction Hi Pinky , I may be able to answer some of your questions. I have studied immunisation, and was an immunisation provider for about ten years. I have become concerned about the willingness of our government to introduce new vaccinations to the schedule, particularly since the introduction of the second MMR prior to the commencement of primary school. This Hep B vaccination at birth seems over the top, and I personally wonder at the relationship between governments and commercial vaccination manufacturers. I may be paranoid. My children are vaccinated. However, I have grown to respect people who make a carefully considered decision not to do so. I think if I had my time over again, I would still vaccinate, but there would be some vaccines that I would refuse eg Sabin. I don't believe parents are asked about previous vaccine reactions in other family members. The health department advice on this one is I believe that other family members are not at any greater risk. The idea of putting a foreign substance into a new baby is also quite a concern to me. I have had someone tell me the birth dose of Hep B is important, because the Mast cells are permanently altered by giving it, so immunity is forever. I was floored by this, and wondered whether I was wrong. But later I thought, why Hep B then, why not measles or some other vaccine? I have found from experience that these nurses usually just repeat the party line. Some can be a bit aggressive when questioned! (Of course I never was!) But it would be a very difficult job to do if you had any doubts in your mind. Vaccines are given to well babies, and premmies, I think just before discharge. I think it is often up to the judgement of the midwife or nurse looking after the baby. The vaccination clinic is mainly for babies or infants with allergic type reactions, or known allergies to egg in the case of MMR. Localised reactions are seen as normal, unless severe. I have only seen two serious reactions in my time, which is now reaching twenty years. Best wishes, Nicole. - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 3:39 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B vaccine reaction Hi Nicole and lisa, Are any questions asked re family history of allergies/ vaccine reactions before giving the shots? My own first baby (now 30)had a similar reaction to his first triple antigen (the first vaccine in those days), my mother had a collapse after a tetanus shot requiring an ambulance and adrenalin and my second child as a teenager who had cut his hand on a rusty piece of iron was taken by his bossfor a tetanus shot - the following dayhecollapsed/ stopped breathing and ended up in hospital being resuscitated -this was recorded as a vaccine reaction. My younger children are unvaccinated depite much pressure/ school formsand even a huge dressing down from a GP who called me negligent and ignorant. At a talk last year (at a midwifery conference in SA) by a govt person on the 'logic' of vaccinating, her reasoning was as you mentioned that some babies of carriers - in the US!! she said- had slipped through and not been vaccinated at birth. Apparently "some of these women sued!!" I find this very flimsy and fearfulreasoning to give vaccinations to a pure little newborn - surely this is occasion for parents to take personal responsibility - you would know if you were a carrier and so would your carers as it would be on your records. Why should womenwho aren't carriers be pressured to expose their babies to unnecessary risks? Especially since babies are not going to be engaging in risky behaviour! As I researched after my own children's reactions I became very cynical that much of this pressure is driven by $$$ -ifas you say, if the 2 month vaccination will fully cover a baby (if it is the parent's choice to vaccinate) surely the shot at birth for all babies is overkill? Sounds like that could have been literally, Nicole- it must have been a terrible shock for you and the parents. I really feel for you about being anxious to inject more babies - how do you deal with this in your workplace? So Im wondering - are parents asked about family history of allergies/ reactions to vaccines? Are vaccines given to well babies? when are they given to premmies? Babies who have had any health problems/ respiratorydifficultiesat birth? Or
[ozmidwifery] Re: Breech
Hi Helen, Babies are often breech at 32 weeks, even up to 35/36 weeks, so I'd tend to try to relax a bit. I do understand your anxiety, particularly in today's breech-scared environment. My second baby was born breech vaginally and I know how tough the emotional journey can be. The doctor I learnt through would recommend trying to turn your baby by external version - should be done with people who can listen to the baby's heart rate, and done without force, but even he would say wait a few more weeks until you begin this.These days , the drs who are happy to do external versions generally want you to take a relaxant as well - valium or whatever. I would want to avoid that as well. Other things which help babies turn, like acupuncture, homeopathics, acupressure and the tilting process can all be done anytime, but I'd suggest you also trust that the baby will turn, or if he/she can't turn then there's a good reason for this (my baby had her cord tangled over her shoulder and between her legs..I told her she dansed into the world...). By the way, the tilting process has 3 steps to it - not just the on your back bottom in the air one.I have to go to work now,but if noone else has posted the 3 step breech tilt by this evening, I'll try to find it. (It was a posting by Lieve a year or so ago) Take a deep breath Helen, Sue I'd probably leave the pulsatilla until after 35 weeks too - any of the energy changing modalities may invite early births too, so take care that baby is old enough when you use them. Hello everyone! I am in need of some help!!! I am 32 weeks pregnant and the baby is in a breech position. I have been doing breech tilts 2-3 times a day for the past week with no success. I am having acupuncture next week. I am particularly interested in some information on the use of pulsatilla. Any ideas will be much appreciated!! Thanks Helen -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B vaccine reaction
I too have trouble with the hep B vaccine. I give parents accurate and unbiased information (instead of the propaganda given them in the pamphlets) and also encourage them to take the decision as an important one, and talk about VISA etc. Although, I have to say I am not pushy in this, and those parents who have made up their minds, I give the vaccine without much further information given. I try always to present it as a choice that needs to be informed. What I've heard, but don't remember where from, was that the birth and early vaccination is, like Emily said, a way of "getting to" all babies while they're in hospital, i.e. a control mechanism, like the breast check and pap smear questions in pregnancy - while we've got them, lets knock these other things off the list. As if women aren't able to maintain their own health. Anyway, I thought too that it was all in order to have a population of teenagers and adults (in15 years time) who are immune to hep B. I think it hasn't much to do with the risk of hep B in newborns at all (in fact almost non-existant surely). And even with this as the wanted outcome, I heard also (wish I could remember a source for this) that these teenagers are likely to need a booster anyway, as the early childhood ones won't last. Why then do they not just immunise the teenagers in the first place? I too am sceptical and wonder about money-making for the drug companies. Liz - Original Message - From: JoFromOz To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B vaccine reaction Nicole Carver wrote: Hi All, Have just had a scary experience when a baby became floppy and stopped breathing three timesafter the Hep B vaccine. She is ok, but being observed for 24 hours in special care. It just reinforces my belief that giving all babies Hep B prior to discharge from hospital is unnecessary, and where there are no risk factors present, more dangerous than not giving it. Nicole Carver.Hi Nicole - just make sure you document that in the adverse vaccination reaction section at the bottom of the vaccination card for the baby... Is there something to fill in for pharmacy, too? I am sure there is a lot of paperwork to fill out for that kind of thing. Just to make sure it gets into the stats for the 'safety of Hep B vax'.Scary.Jo (RM) Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.1.0 - Release Date: 18/02/05 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.1.0 - Release Date: 18/02/05
