Re: [ozmidwifery] Bugs in this system - email difficulties
Actually, to go one step further, my advice is to either switch from Window$ to Linux or some other free, 'open source' but eminently better operating system, or if you *must* use Window$, use Netscape or Mozilla as your browser for mail net most viruses are targetted to the programs that come bundled with Window$ - Outlook Internet Explorer have been known for a long time now to be *the* most virus-prone programs on the planet http://www.mozilla.org/ for either the entire kit, or d/load Thunderbird for email Firefox for browsing separately... http://browser.netscape.com/ns8/ for Netscape... cheers Jennifairy (computer geek in a former life - but who hasnt had a virus - *any* virus - in over 3 years) PS - Linux is free, you can d/load it off the net, the kernel is open to all who want to play with software design (so its continually being improved), nobody is making squillions of $$ from it; can do everything Window$ can do, is completely *virus-free* - no spyware, no 'patches', just an unbreakable system. Worth a look http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=02/03/09/1727250 B G wrote: There is a huge Trojan virus at the present time. Despite all the protection I have on this machine we were hit. Twice daily viral updates and zone alarm firewall. Our account was hijacked with a sudden huge surge in usage beginning of May which I reported to the Tech people for suggestions what to do, did all they said but last Tuesday their 'abuse' department suspended our account as our account was a conduit for spamming from a third party. Two days later our virus protection company -VET advised of a serious attack affecting those that use Microsoft Outlook for their email browser. We were instructed to download immediately the patch to deal with this problem. My advice is to update your viral and firewall supports. Cheers Barb -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.2.0 - Release Date: 27/05/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] RE Twins
Hello Yvette, I just want to tell you my excperience. I accompagned two twin births this year in the hospital. We have there very good supporting obs, that are very confident with breech and twin births. The first mother was due jan 13th and went in spontaneous labor jan 18th. It was her first pregnancy. First the doctor also mentioned inducing on due date (not 38 weeks) but mother negotiated and could wait until spontaneous labour. Het membranes ruptured Sunday evening without labour, Monday morning she got stimulation and went in labour at noon. Slow progression, but at midnight she was complete, but no pushing urge. We waited for 1 1/2 hours and thn she felt some pushing urge, but not enough to get to good pushing. At the end doctor tried with ventousse, gave an epidural and tried again (but no violence) and then we had to perform a c-section. First baby was so in assynclitisme that he couldn't engage deeper. Mother and babys were fine after the marathon they had and she has a very good feeling with the birth. She is always informed at every stage about possibilitys and made her own choices. I had the privilege to be her midwife and could stay with them all the time. After the c-section babys stayed with her, breastfeeding was no problem and till this moment they are exclusively breastfed. The second twin mother went in spontaneous labour at 36 weeks and gave birth on the birthing chair with only some oxytocine for second twin, born 1/2 hour after the first, they were monochorionic diamniotic. She could hold the first one for 20 minutes before pushing the second out and immediatly both babys were given to her. She also had a midwife exclusively for her. She returned home after 5 days, they request her to stay for the birth weight (2460gr and 2620 gr)and pregnancy of 36 weeks. Baby's received some cupfeeding and mother put them on the breast and pumped. On day 9 they have exclusively breastfeeding and both regained birthweight. It was her 3th pregnancy with 1 homebirth. So 38 weeks is never been an issue for the obs and also epidural was no must. Even though the first ended in c-section they had plenty of time to give her the epidural to perform the c-section. I think you are privileged to have your own midwife. I wish you a great birth and lovely children. Lieve -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Lindsay Yvette Verzonden: zaterdag 28 mei 2005 11:41 Aan: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Onderwerp: Re: [ozmidwifery] RE Twins Thankyou Ken, Andrea, and Sue for your replies. Andrea we can't afford a home birth. I do have the maternitycoalition.org site bookmarked, it's great. What you said about the epidural with the test dose is interesting, and you've obviously seen happen all the things I'm fearing. I can be pretty assertive if I feel confident enough in what I believe, so I'm hoping that armed with lots of info knowing what they will try to do, I'll be able to handle it politely but firmly say no where I need to. Sue, thanks so much for that info re the 18 sets of homebirth twins.. I bet Ina May's stats are great too. It's a real worry about the time limit for the second baby. I want to find out what they're worried about so I can argue for more time if necessary. I wonder if having 3 kids before will make the second baby more likely to come down more quickly? Going past 38 weeks if it happens will be a worry too. I hope I just go at 37 weeks 6 days, lol. Waiting on my reply from the head of obstetrics. Mentioned to my GP that I'd written the letter to the hospital. She gave me the name of the head of obstetrics says he's very approachable will see me himself, if not she'll ring him for me. She thinks I'll have no trouble getting to see someone in anaesthetics too. (She's an Ob too used to work there until recently). I have a detailed birth plan I'm working on, but not putting it in til I have heaps more info. Want to make it simple enough for them to refer to easily, assertive so they get the point that nothing is to be done without my consent, clear about what I want, but friendly sounding iykwim. Will keep you posted about how it goes, glad you're interested. And any additional info gratefully received. Yvette (pg with monochorionic diamniotic twins due 5th Sept.) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.2.0 - Release Date: 27/05/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.2.0 - Release Date: 27/05/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Rural Private Health Access Program
Title: Rural Private Health Access Program Dear All The Federal Dept of Health has announced a 10 Million dollar funding program to increase the range of privately insurable health services in rural, regional and remote Australia The Dept is interested in applications that develop innovative approaches to Sustain, establish or expand privately insurable health services Recruit/retain health and or allied health professionals providing insurable health services And/or encouraging the development of multidisciplinary practices for insurable health services For further info www.health.gov.au/tenders So all those rural midwives heres a go I say!!! JC Justine Caines National President Maternity Coalition Inc PO Box 105 MERRIWA NSW 2329 Ph: (02) 65482248 Fax: (02)65482902 Mob: 0408 210273 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.maternitycoalition.org.au
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Center and Dr Molloy
It is truly encouraging and great to see a midwife leader of the ACMI being quoted in effectively defending midwives and challenging the motives and vested interest of obs!! Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: B G [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jenny Gamble [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 3:54 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birth Center and Dr Molloy Birth centre 'a scapegoat' 28may05 THE Australian Medical Association has been accused by the College of Midwives of attacking Brisbane's only public birth centre to relieve the pressure on its members for defending the so-called Dr Death. The college's Queensland President Jenny Gamble said the Birth Centre at the Royal Brisbane Hospital was being used as a scapegoat and was at the centre of a turf war between private doctors and midwives. Ms Gamble said a few obstetricians had been bullying and slagging the birth centre since it opened 10 years ago as a provider of midwifery care to pregnant women in a home-like environment within the hospital. The AMA has criticised the centre after an emergency last weekend when a baby's shoulders got stuck during birth. AMA Queensland President Dr David Molloy said the incident was an example of what happened when doctors were taken out of the medical system. However, Ms Gamble accused the AMA of exaggerating the incident to take the heat off itself for defending Indian-trained Dr Jayant Patel, who has been linked to 87 deaths at Bundaberg Hospital. They are totally slinging mud. They're the ones who called the Bundaberg nurses lazy and defended Patel, she said. She said it served Dr Molloy's interest to exaggerate the incident, adding: It's part of a longer term vendetta. In the incident last weekend, the midwife facilitated a birth competently and was actually complimented on rounds to say she had done an excellent job. The mother and baby are fine. I believe they were discharged the next day. Midwives deal with difficult situations and emergencies all the time. That's what they're trained to do - to act in emergencies and call for medical assistance and that's what happened in this case. Dr Molloy claimed the centre was in dire straits and has called for the public release of a report commissioned by Queensland Health into the birth centre. Ms Gamble suggested any recommendations for improvements would be directed at management, after a visiting medical officer called the Birth Centre a killing field and no action against the person was taken. If we called private obstetrics a killing field or called them butchers all hell would let loose, she said. Ms Gamble said Dr Molloy was attacking the Birth Centre in order to stifle the implementation of recommendations from a separate Rebirthing report, an independent statewide report released earlier this month. She said the report supported midwifery as the primary carers for normal, health pregnant women with referral to medical practitioners as needed rather than being admitted under an obstetrician and care directed by an obstetrician. This is turf protection. Dr Molloy is a private obstetrician and they don't want to see any erosion of their potential to earn income, Ms Gamble said. privacy terms C Queensland Newspapers -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.2.0 - Release Date: 27/05/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Birth centre in the news
Title: Birth centre in the news The defence of the QLD birth centre against Dr Molloys comments has made it to www.news.com.au as breaking news. Good publicity fo rthem Cheers Megan
[ozmidwifery] Birthspirit Midwifery Intensive
Hello Everyone, Just letting you all know that we have limited places available for the Maggie Banks' Birthspirit Intensive: Midwifery Skills for Emergencies workshop in Sydney July 9-11. We also have ONE place for ther Melbourne workshop 7-9 July, dur to a cancellation. About the course: Led by Maggie Banks, the Birthspirit Intensive 'Midwifery Skills for Emergencies' has been developed for the unique role of the midwife as an independent practitioner, irrespective of her employment status. It is especially suitable for midwives wishing to work in team or caseload settings, birth centres or independently. It is a comprehensive refresher in the midwifery skills necessary during perinatal emergencies in primary care settings. It embraces the art and science of midwifery, providing evidence-informed practice for safe and effective midwifery care in the absence of, or until, medical assistance is available. It covers the basic emergencies that midwives may encounter: breech birth; antepartum haemorrhage; maternal resuscitation; shoulder dystocia; cord prolapse; neonatal resuscitation and perineal repair. This course is the only one accredited by the New Zealand College of Midwives for midwifery practice in New Zealand (the ALSO Course is considered obstetric in its orientation). Programme hours: Day 1: 5.00pm - 9.00pm Day 2: 9.00am - 9.00pm Day 3: 9.00am - 4.00pm Cost: $995 inc GST - includes full accommodation, all meals, pre-reading and programme materials. Register online at https://www.acegraphics.com.au/event/intensives2005/secure-intensives2005.html or call us on 02 9564 2322. Regards, Andrea - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birthspirit Midwifery Intensive
Andrea can I put this info on my home birth forum? Best wishes, Janet Joyous Birth and Accessing Artemis Home birth network and birth trauma recovery. http://nugget.host-australia.com/~joyousbi/forums/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/accessingartemis -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Center and Dr Molloy
That is a great letter of Jenny's. When I read about the incident in the Cairns Post I figrued it was blown up out of all proportion. Figured the midwives were dealing with the shoulder dystocia like Ina May recommended and that they were happy the baby was shocked but ok with the placenta still supplying the needed O2. If it was not a public forum I would say what I think of Dr (woman butcher) David Molloy. Cheers Judy --- Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is truly encouraging and great to see a midwife leader of the ACMI being quoted in effectively defending midwives and challenging the motives and vested interest of obs!! Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: B G [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jenny Gamble [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 3:54 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birth Center and Dr Molloy Birth centre 'a scapegoat' 28may05 THE Australian Medical Association has been accused by the College of Midwives of attacking Brisbane's only public birth centre to relieve the pressure on its members for defending the so-called Dr Death. The college's Queensland President Jenny Gamble said the Birth Centre at the Royal Brisbane Hospital was being used as a scapegoat and was at the centre of a turf war between private doctors and midwives. Ms Gamble said a few obstetricians had been bullying and slagging the birth centre since it opened 10 years ago as a provider of midwifery care to pregnant women in a home-like environment within the hospital. The AMA has criticised the centre after an emergency last weekend when a baby's shoulders got stuck during birth. AMA Queensland President Dr David Molloy said the incident was an example of what happened when doctors were taken out of the medical system. However, Ms Gamble accused the AMA of exaggerating the incident to take the heat off itself for defending Indian-trained Dr Jayant Patel, who has been linked to 87 deaths at Bundaberg Hospital. They are totally slinging mud. They're the ones who called the Bundaberg nurses lazy and defended Patel, she said. She said it served Dr Molloy's interest to exaggerate the incident, adding: It's part of a longer term vendetta. In the incident last weekend, the midwife facilitated a birth competently and was actually complimented on rounds to say she had done an excellent job. The mother and baby are fine. I believe they were discharged the next day. Midwives deal with difficult situations and emergencies all the time. That's what they're trained to do - to act in emergencies and call for medical assistance and that's what happened in this case. Dr Molloy claimed the centre was in dire straits and has called for the public release of a report commissioned by Queensland Health into the birth centre. Ms Gamble suggested any recommendations for improvements would be directed at management, after a visiting medical officer called the Birth Centre a killing field and no action against the person was taken. If we called private obstetrics a killing field or called them butchers all hell would let loose, she said. Ms Gamble said Dr Molloy was attacking the Birth Centre in order to stifle the implementation of recommendations from a separate Rebirthing report, an independent statewide report released earlier this month. She said the report supported midwifery as the primary carers for normal, health pregnant women with referral to medical practitioners as needed rather than being admitted under an obstetrician and care directed by an obstetrician. This is turf protection. Dr Molloy is a private obstetrician and they don't want to see any erosion of their potential to earn income, Ms Gamble said. privacy terms C Queensland Newspapers -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.2.0 - Release Date: 27/05/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] intro
Hi all, I've been on this list before and there are many familiar names. Just signing on again! I run Joyous Birth, the home birth group which has just got it's very own internet forum. We've used a yahoo group for a while (with about 100 members) but we need to get out into the public arena more given the growing interest in home birth recently. We have a yahoo database of hb groups and practitioners but now we can make it more widely availble on our forum. Any groups/birth attendants/doulas/MWs who would like to be listed, just let me know! I also run Accessing Artemis which is a group for women recovering from birth trauma. We are IRL in Melbourne and Brisbane, soon to be in Hobart as well. We too have a database of supportive counsellors and consumer-led groups across Australia. So again, if anyone has someone to recommend, please let me know. We need to have people in every city where I can send women who contact us. I look forward to seeing some more on this great list! We have a deep commitment to birth activism so the NMAP and indemnity issues are big topics for us and we have links on the forum to those. Best wishes, Janet Fraser Joyous Birth and Accessing Artemis Home birth network and birth trauma recovery. http://nugget.host-australia.com/~joyousbi/forums/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/accessingartemis -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Consent
We ask for signed consent for Konakion and Hep B, verbal for Guthrie - although we will soon be asking for written for this too I believe. These are given antenatally so that women have time to read and consider and ask questions first, Sue The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Ceri Katrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 9:41 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Consent Hi everyone I was just wondering what people had experience with in regards to the New Born Screening Test, Vit K and Hep B vaccine. Where I work, we obtain written consent for the Vit K antenatally , oral consent for the Hep B and NBST at the time. A midwife I worked with the other day was saying that where she used to work it was the other way around, written for Hep B and oral for the Vit K and NBST. I was looking after a woman the other day that was actually booked into Nepean and they obtain written consent for all 3 procedures... I'm just wondering what other people have come across Katrina -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.17 - Release Date: 25/05/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Baby!
Many congratulations Jo Sue The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: JoFromOz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 10:19 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Baby! Hello one and all. Just a quick note to let you know that my darling little William Matthew Watson is here! He arrived at 0529 this morning born in water at home with membranes intact, and he's gorgeous! 3.4kg, 50cm length, 33cm head, attended by the honerable Mary Murphy :) That's all for now. Love Jo (RM) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.17 - Release Date: 25/05/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Childbirth Education classes
I agree wholeheartedly with Nicole's post. It is very hard to give a balanced view when one knows that we are working within an obstetric model and the intervention rates that come with it. We try hard to instill the ideal of natural birth but are awareof the risk of setting the women up for feelings of failureif we emphasise this and ignore the 'other' stuff. Even women who are booked for elective C/S come to classes and we have a duty to inform them too. Also inherent is the time factor - how much can you reasonably get across within the time allocated to classes. Sue "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Nicole Carver To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 3:08 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Childbirth Education classes Hi All, I have worked as a child birth educator in a hospital which has fairlycomparable intervention rates to other public hospitals in Victoria. However, to me we have a lot of unnecessary intervention, particularly induction of labour, and the cascade of intervention that then sometimes occurs. The quandary for a CBE in this environment is: do you educate for the ideal, or the reality of the environment that the women will birth in? If you tell them the reality, you would sit them in a circle of ten women and say only four of you are going to have a birth without intervention. What do you want to know to help you cope with a birth with intervention? Or do you teach them all natural, and know that many of them are going to be devastated by the reality of the actual birth that happens? Their partners too. It's a tough one. I struggled with it, because I also worked in the system. The women who advocate for themselves, or the midwives who do so, have to be very strong. Ultimately the power rests with the obstetricians. There are no alternative employers of midwives in my town. When teaching CBE classes I compromised, and taught about both. And ensured that the realities of the different interventions were discussed, so that women did not think that C/S is comparable to vaginal birth and so on. I can imagine a CBE working in the private system would be faced with even higher intervention rates. The other problem is having obstetricians coming after you for teaching THEIR women about things they would prefer they did not know. I think changes need to occur across the whole system, starting with midwife led care. It would be great if midwives could do the education for the women for whom they would be providing birthing care. The intervention rates would plummet, and education about intervention in birth could be made optional, and therefore availablefor those who want to know absolutely everything, or for those for whom intervention may be more likely.Otherwise a midwife could set the scene for the ways she has learnt to practice in birthing to maximise women's chance of a positive and optimal birth experience. I do think child birth education today is a reflection of our system. I also think CBE's try very hard to do their best for women and their support people. They are stuck in the middle of a far from ideal situation. Nicole Carver. [Nicole Carver]-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Dean JoSent: Friday, May 27, 2005 2:43 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Childbirth Education classes I feel there needs to be legislation to bring cbe OUT of the institutions to the community. In SA we are so proud of our state wide Perinatal guidelines, there is probable cause to push the need for education to be statewide also. We need the government to push safe and happy birthing by promoting education that impacts these things. And then the little piggies can fly -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Diane GardnerSent: Friday, May 27, 2005 1:57 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Childbirth Education classes Wow am I steamed! I've just had a woman ring me in an absolute mess. She attended the Prenatal classes run by St Vincents Private just recently and and is scared out of her wits. She said she had been so excited and looking forward to birthing her baby until she attended the classes. She said they fed in negative, pain, complicationsand drugs! What is going on here? We wonder why women go into labour in a hospital screaming and begging for drugs. Just what sort of programming are these classes installing into women andtaking away their ability to trust their bodies for birth. How long
